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Title: Iran tanker crisis: Impending Brexit leaves UK with no choice but to do US bidding – and suffer the consequences
Source: The Independent via The Unz Review
URL Source: http://www.unz.com/pcockburn/brexit ... -to-do-trumps-bidding-in-iran/
Published: Jul 22, 2019
Author: Patrick Cockburn
Post Date: 2019-07-24 13:55:40 by Tooconservative
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Views: 10023
Comments: 58

What on Earth were the British politicians and officials thinking who gave the go-ahead for the seizure of the Iranian oil tanker Grace 1 off Gibraltar on 4 July? Did they truly believe that the Iranians would not retaliate for what they see as a serious escalation in America’s economic war against them?

The British cover story that the sending of 30 Royal Marines by helicopter to take over the tanker was all to do with enforcing EU sanctions on Syria, and nothing to do with US sanctions on Iran, was always pretty thin.

The Spanish foreign minister, Josep Borrell, has said categorically that Britain took over the tanker “following a request from the United States to the United Kingdom”.

One fact about Iranian foreign policy should have been hardwired into the brain of every politician and diplomat in Britain, as it already is in the Middle East, which is that what you do to the Iranians they will do to you at a time and place of their own choosing.

The US and UK backed Saddam Hussein in his invasion of Iran in 1980, but this was not unconnected – though it was impossible to prove – with the suicide bombing that killed 241 US service personnel in the marine barracks in Beirut in 1983.

Commentators seeking an explanation for the UK’s seizure of the Grace 1 suggest that it was suckered into the action by super hawks in the US administration, such as the national security adviser John Bolton.

But, given the inevitability of the Iranian reaction against British naval forces too weak to defend British-flagged tankers, the British move looks more like a strategic choice dictated by a lack of other options.

Confrontation with the EU over Brexit means that Britain has no alternative but to ally itself ever more closely to the US.

Of course, this will scarcely be a new departure since Britain has glued itself to the US on almost all possible occasions since the Suez Crisis of 1956.

The lesson drawn from that debacle by Whitehall was that the UK needed to be always close to the US. The French drew the opposite conclusion that it must bond more closely with the continental European states in the shape of the European Economic Community.

The one-sided relationship between the US and UK was in operation in the military interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan. Britain walked into these quagmires to demonstrate its position as America’s most loyal ally while lacking a coherent policy and without adequate forces.

The Chilcot report said the only consistent theme that it could detect in British policy in Iraq between 2003 and 2009 was how to get its troops out of the country. Wanting to do it without offending the Americans, the British – in a major miscalculation – decided that this could be best done by relocating their forces to Afghanistan, where more than 400 of them were killed in action.

In its confrontation with Iran, Britain is in trouble because it is trying to ride several horses at the same time. It is supposedly seeking to adhere to the Iran nuclear deal and oppose US sanctions on Iran, but in practice it has done nothing of the sort and boarding the Grace 1 was a clear demonstration of this.

One feature of the present crisis is that the seizure of the Stena Impero is clearly tit-for-tat by Iran. It is, unlike past Iranian retaliatory actions, making no effort to conceal this, presumably calculating that there is not much Britain can do about it and it is a good time to demonstrate Iranian strength and British weakness.

Iran expresses no doubt that Britain is acting as a US proxy, though this has been true for a long time. But life as a proxy may be particularly dangerous in the Gulf at the moment because of the peculiar nature of the confrontation between the US and Iran in which neither side wants to engage in an all-out war.

This makes it necessary to act through proxies like the UK, an approach that minimises the chances of Americans being killed and Donald Trump having no option but to retaliate in kind.

Iran is being visibly hurt by sanctions but Iranians are more likely to blame the US for their sufferings than their own government. The US is not going to launch a ground invasion, as it did in Iraq in 2003, and, so long as this is off the table, Iran can sustain the military pressures.

In fact, a permanent crisis in the Gulf just below the level of a full-scale military conflict is in the interests of Iran and better than enduring a prolonged economic siege.

(Republished from The Independent by permission of author or representative)

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#1. To: Tooconservative (#0)

SEALS should storm the vessel and take it out of port.

Vicomte13  posted on  2019-07-24   14:41:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Vicomte13 (#1) (Edited)

SEALS should storm the vessel and take it out of port.

I would guess there would be an ugly end to that. The Iranians are very unpleasant.

I think the Iranians may be near the breaking point as a regime, forced back to renegotiate their JCPOA agreement not to develop nukes. They will have to accept a full and unlimited set of inspections to verify no nuke program. Much like Saddam had.

And Britain standing up to Iran helps make them a key partner, along with the U.S., in any subsequent negotiations with Iran.

The thrust of the article is that Britain is in a position where they can't say no to America on much due to the necessity of U.S. support for Brexit to happen and for a good bilateral trade deal with America and possibly Canada and Mexico as well.

America could make things uncomfortable for France and Germany if they're too harsh with Britain on a Brexit deal. And France and Germany wouldn't like it any better than some of the sanctions we've forced them to observe via our control of the SWIFT international money union. We put a stop to most of their business with Iran in this way. And we have other means of sanctions we could use that they wouldn't like.

Britain as a separate entity politically from the EU also means that NATO policy and strategy will be different. NATO becomes even less relevant, given that Britain and Greece and Turkey were the only countries that spent at or above their commitment to NATO although some of the newest members like Poland and Estonia have had decent spending. It's France (somewhat) and Germany (extremely so) and other old NATO members like Belgium and Italy that have really decided they don't take any NATO obligation seriously. It's only an obligation for America to defend Europe and at American expense. They keep some token armies around because they're handy for staging historical marches in parades on the grand boulevards of Europe's old capital cities. But useful in combat? Well, to find out, America would mostly have to transport them and their equipment to an actual battle since they have no transport, no air transport, scarce meager air refueling resources, etc. and with little more readiness among their naval forces or their armies. Most of the EU considers itself a protectorate of America and that America is responsible for defending them. And America did just cancel Turkey's purchase of the F-35 and their participation in making some of the parts for it, meaning that NATO membership is considered conditional by America when push comes to shove. Turkey's offense to America is acquiring the Russian S-400 missile system. America believed that Turkey would use its hands-on access to the F-35 to sell its secrets to Russia and possibly China.

Anyway, there are changes brewing in the international diplomatic and military scene, strong undercurrents leading us away from the post-Cold War era. And this reckoning with the EU and others is, in fact, overdue.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-07-24   15:31:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Tooconservative, Vicomte13 (#3)

They will have to accept a full and unlimited set of inspections to verify no nuke program. Much like Saddam had.

What may seriously hinder that is memories of what happened to Saddam and Ghadaffi.

nolu chan  posted on  2019-07-25   9:55:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: nolu chan (#9)

What may seriously hinder that is memories of what happened to Saddam and Ghadaffi.

Yeah. The Iranians seem to be very aware of that.

Knocking off Ghadaffi was a big mistake. Now Iran and the Norks can sit back and say that only nukes will make their regime safe and that complying with international inspections just makes you a patsy in your own country. They're not wrong about that.

Saddam went under the inspections regime under Xlinton, Bush knocked him off. Ghadaffi turned over his entire WMD equipment under Bush, 0bama knocked him off.

Why would any sane dictator trust us at this point?

OTOH, I think Iran may have no choice at all at this point. Either they get the sanctions off their backs or their entire regime will fall. Those sanctions may bring them to their knees.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-07-25   15:09:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Tooconservative (#13)

"Either they get the sanctions off their backs or their entire regime will fall. "

Putting aside the fact that there were sanctions on Iran before for several years with no effect, and that lately trade with China increased, how do you imagine this "regime fall"?

A popular uprising demanding return of the shah?

A Pole  posted on  2019-07-25   17:56:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A Pole (#16)

Putting aside the fact that there were sanctions on Iran before for several years with no effect, and that lately trade with China increased, how do you imagine this "regime fall"?

China has to obey our sanctions on the Norks and Iran and can only hedge those a little. Or they'll get sanctioned too. They won't risk it. And China has no interest in anything except Iran's oil. Iran wants to, for instance, make money by being one of the biggest almond growers in the world, bigger than CA even. Sanctions put a stop to that.

A popular uprising demanding return of the shah?

Popular uprising seems the most likely. I see Junior Pahlevi is still prancing around at various anti-mullah meetings (outside Iran, of course). I don't see the Iranians wanting a shah again. Why would they?

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-07-25   21:47:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Tooconservative (#19) (Edited)

I don't see the Iranians wanting a shah again.

So what system would they want, to replace present regime? Like in Iraq or Afghanistan?

Why would they?

Not to suffer sanctions, remember?

A Pole  posted on  2019-07-26   2:26:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A Pole (#20)

So what system would they want, to replace present regime? Like in Iraq or Afghanistan?

I thought of that earlier today. Look around the region, the problems with the various attempts at some sort of democratic government.

Turkey succumbed to Islamism after its military finally got tired of knocking off one government after the next to preserve a secular state.

And you have Saddam in Iraq. Saddam was part of the Sunni minority since Iraq is over 60% Shi'a as I recall. (Iran is also a Shi'a majority country but it has an aggressive Shi'a leadership by the mullahs and Republican Guard.) Saddam's Iraq was multicultural. His foreign minister was Christian, for instance. Iraq's sizable Christian community lived quietly and peacefully throughout the country. The Sunni minority and even the very ancient Jews of Iraq (and Babylon and Mesopotamia) lived safely in neighborhoods of mixed groups, all largely without problems. Baghdad has a reputation of being a bit like a Las Vegas of the Mideast, a party town for people around the region and a Muslim could get away with a lot of stuff there that they couldn't in their home countries. What happened in Baghdad, stayed in Baghdad. Until America invaded.

So what other examples of governance of modern Arab or Muslim regimes in the region?

Well, Egypt's Mubarek was a general who ruled for decades until he was deposed by Morsi, an Islamist of the Muslim Brotherhood. Then the riots in Cairo against Morsi as he attempted to...yep, change the constitution to give him dictatorial powers. And so Morsi got knocked off by al-Sisi, a general who is starting to look like Mubarek 2.0.

Libya can't provide much example. An inhabited coastline with some medium sized cities, but generally a big desert with one bunch of hostile clans on the east site of the big desert and another hostile clan on the west side of the desert. Within each of these clans that are hostile to each other, they also fight for position within their faction. A big giant mess. Crazy as he was, Ghaddafi did a lot to make Libya a real country in terms of housing, education, fresh water access, elements of modern government services, like his regular elimination of locusts which had devastated the region for years, not just in Libya but in neighboring countries.

Lebanon went down the tubes decades ago and is now being absorbed politically by Hizbollah, an Iranian puppet group. So that example doesn't help Iran's reformers.

Beyond Turkey, Iraq, Egypt, and Libya, you only have the oil sheiks of Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, etc. And they're all essentially monarchs, more or less like Jordan is. The Saudis, as the holy land of Islam, have stricter religious police than the rest of them. Even the Saudis have toned the religious police down, giving women the vote and now allowing women to drive.

You have a handful of other miserable poor nations like Yemen in the region. They offer no economic or political or religious model that could apply to Iran.

So where does Iran look for an example of what kind of government they want if they get rid of the mullah's corrupt theocracy? That's a hard question to answer. The few examples we might have seen in the past didn't work so well over time. Iran did probably fan the flames of unrest in some of these countries. Sometimes you have to think that Iran is more interested in destroying other governments in the region, that they hope to succeed simply by making other regimes fall, causing unrest, foiling attempts at reform, etc. And perhaps that is the only way they think they can prevail. Iran is the Shi'a holy land and the region has a huge Sunni majority and tiny Shi'a minorities. Overall, it's about 90% Sunni and 10% Shi'a.

I think Iran has yet to produce a reformer with a vision of what post-theocracy Iran would look like. And the mullahs would kill any such figure anyway. The mullahs's hold on power is in part because so many are complicit with the regime, so many people have secrets known to the government, etc. Quite often these kinds of factors help keep regimes in power long after they would have otherwise collapsed. So the mullahs do have some incentive to cultivate the citizenry to see the regime as the only hope of stability. And to keep the key mid-level bureaucrats and business people on board through patronage of the mullah political establishment, a very corrupt arrangement comparable to how the Chinese economy has a huge amount of business done overseas via front organizations for the Chinese military. Iran's Revolutionary Guard works that way too, usually pitching corrupt deals to enrich the members of the families of leading mullahs. So all the people capable of reform and revolt are...already co-opted into the theocracy.

I don't think anyone can imagine what government would follow the collapse of the mullahs. And perhaps the only way for the current regime to end is in a complete collapse. Not so different from North Korea or Venezuela, Iran's totalitarian buddies.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-07-26   3:28:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Tooconservative (#21)

 And perhaps the only way for the current regime to end is in a complete collapse

So you think that it is what Iranians will opt for if sanctions are kept in place? Libyan or Somali model?

A Pole  posted on  2019-07-26   4:52:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: A Pole (#22)

BTW, some other news about Brit tankers in the Straits:

Townhall: The Royal Navy Will Now Protect Every British Ship Passing Near Iran

Britain has now had time to redeploy its navy and bring enough ships to the Straits to escort each ship. Before this, they didn't have enough ships to protect all their (flagged) tankers.

So Britain won't lose any more tankers to Iran. And Iran's oil shipment to Syria is still locked up in Gibraltar.

Looks like Brittania ruling the waves to me.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-07-26   5:43:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Tooconservative (#25) (Edited)

So Britain won't lose any more tankers to Iran. And Iran's oil shipment to Syria is still locked up in Gibraltar.

Yes, so they are even. One to one.

Looks like Brittania ruling the waves to me.

Dream on. British fleet in the Persian Gulf, will be like fish in the barrel. It is not XIX century anymore.

A Pole  posted on  2019-07-26   8:13:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A Pole (#26)

Iran has no power to shoot any fish in the naval barrel. They've got speedboats armed with bazookas, and if they DO ride out and attack a British warship, the US will launch airstrikes that destroy their docks with all of the small Boghammer boats in them. The Iranians do not dare pull the trigger aiming at anything actually manned. A drone here, a seizure there. Maybe a mine somewhere. But actually cross the line and shoot directly at a Western warship, and the Americans will go weapons free and destroy the entire Iranian Navy and missile capacity in a series of strikes that the Iranians cannot answer. Iran will be humiliated with great loss of their military life. And our loss of life? Zero. Fanatics all over the Middle East figured they were tough enough to trade their lives for some political advantage. The advantage never came, but they died.

Vicomte13  posted on  2019-07-26   14:23:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Vicomte13, A Pole, Tooconservative (#33)

Iran has no power to shoot any fish in the naval barrel. They've got speedboats armed with bazookas, and if they DO ride out and attack a British warship, the US will launch airstrikes that destroy their docks with all of the small Boghammer boats in them.

Wargaming by Marine Lt. Gen. Paul Van Riper demonstrated otherwise.

https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/that-time-a-marine-general-led-a-fictional-iran-against-the-us-military-and-won

Blake Stilwell
We Are The Mighty
Sep. 19, 2017 11:20AM EST

That time a Marine general led a fictional Iran against the US military – and won

In 2002, the U.S. military tapped Lt. Gen. Paul Van Riper to lead the red opposing forces of the most expensive, expansive military exercise in history. He was put in command of an inferior Middle Eastern-inspired military force. His mission was to go against the full might of the American armed forces. In the first two days, he sank an entire carrier battle group.

The exercise was called Millennium Challenge 2002. It was designed by the Joint Forces Command over the course of two years. It had 13,500 participants, numerous live and simulated training sites, and was supposed to pit an Iran-like Middle Eastern country against the U.S. military, which would be fielding advanced technology it didn't plan to implement until five years later.

The war game would begin with a forced-entry exercise that included the 82nd Airborne and the 1st Marine Division.

When the Blue Forces issued a surrender ultimatum, Van Riper, commanding the Red Forces, turned them down. Since the Bush Doctrine of the period included preemptive strikes against perceived enemies, Van Riper knew the Blue Forces would be cominfor him. And they did.

But the three-star general didn't spend 41 years in the Marine Corps by being timid. As soon as the Navy was beyond the point of no return, he hit them and hit them hard. Missiles from land-based units, civilian boats, and low-flying planes tore through the fleet as explosive-ladened speedboats decimated the Navy using suicide tactics. His code to initiate the attack was a coded message sent from the minarets of mosques at the call to prayer.

In less than ten minutes, the whole thing was over and Lt. Gen. Paul Van Riper was victorious.

How did 19 ships and some 20,000 U.S. troops end up at the bottom of the Persian Gulf? It started with the OPFOR leadership. Van Riper was the epitome of the salty Marine Corps general officer. He was a 41-year veteran, both enlisted and commissioned, serving everywhere from Vietnam to Desert Storm. Van Riper attended the Marine Corps Amphibious Warfare School, The College of Naval Command and Staff, Army War College, and the Army's Airborne and Ranger Schools.

In fact, the three-star general had been retired for some five years by the time he led the Red Forces of Millennium Challenge. He was an old-school Marine capable of some old-school tactics and has insisted that technology cannot replace human intuition and study of the basic nature of war, which he called a "terrible, uncertain, chaotic, bloody business."

When Van Riper told the story of Millennium Challenge to journalist Malcolm Gladwell, he said the Blue Forces were stuck in their own mode of thinking. Their vastly superior technology included advanced intelligence matrices and an Operational Net Assessment that told them where the OPFOR vulnerabilities were and what Van Riper was most likely to do next out of a range of possible scenarios. They relied heavily on that. When the Blue took out Red's microwave towers and fiber optics, they expected his forces to use satellite and cell phones that could be monitored.

Not a chance. Van Riper instead used motorcycle couriers, messages hidden in prayers, and even coded lighting systems on his airfields — tactics employed during World War II.

"I struck first," he said in "Blink: The Power of Thinking Without Thinking," written by Gladwell in 2005. "We did all the calculations on how many cruise missiles their ships could handle, so we simply launched more than that."

In fact, Van Riper hated the kind of analytical decision making the Blue Forces were doing. He believed it took far too long. His resistance plan included ways of getting his people to make good decisions using rapid cognition and analog but reliable communications.

The other commanders involved called foul, complaining that a real OPFOR would never use the tactics Van Riper used — except Van Riper's flotilla used boats and explosives like those used against the USS Cole in 2000.

"And I said 'nobody would have thought that anyone would fly an airliner into the World Trade Center,'" Van Riper said in reply. "But nobody [in the exercise] seemed interested."

In the end, the Blue Forces were all respawned and Van Riper was prevented from making moves to counter the Blue Forces' landing. He had no radar and wasn't allowed to shoot down incoming aircraft he would have otherwise accurately targeted. The rest of the exercise was scripted to let the Blue Force land and win. Van Riper walked out when he realized his commands were being ignored by the exercise planners. The fix was in.

The three-star wrote a 21-page critique of the exercise that was immediately classified. Van Riper spoke out against the rigged game anyway.

"Nothing was learned from this," he told the Guardian in 2002. "A culture not willing to think hard and test itself does not augur well for the future."

nolu chan  posted on  2019-07-26   16:18:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Vicomte13, A Pole, Tooconservative (#42)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

Millennium Challenge 2002

Millennium Challenge 2002 (MC02) was a major war game exercise conducted by the United States Armed Forces in mid-2002. The exercise, which ran from July 24 to August 15 and cost $250 million, involved both live exercises and computer simulations. MC02 was meant to be a test of future military "transformation"—a transition toward new technologies that enable network-centric warfare and provide more effective command and control of current and future weaponry and tactics. The simulated combatants were the United States, referred to as "Blue", and an unknown adversary in the Middle East, "Red", which can be Iran or Iraq.

Constraints

Since the wargame allowed for a ship-to-shore landing of ground troops at some (unknown) point during the 14 day exercise, and because the naval force was substantial, the force was positioned on the shore-side of the region's active shipping lanes to keep them from impacting commerce during the exercise. This placed them in close proximity to the Red shore rather than at a "standoff" distance. Conducting the wargames during peacetime also meant that there were a large number of friendly/unaligned ships and aircraft in the zone, restricting the use of automated defense systems and more cautious Rules of Engagement. Red's tactics took full advantage of these factors, and to great effect. Exercise action

Lt. Gen. Paul Van Riper

Red, commanded by retired Marine Corps Lieutenant General Paul K. Van Riper, adopted an asymmetric strategy, in particular, using old methods to evade Blue's sophisticated electronic surveillance network. Van Riper used motorcycle messengers to transmit orders to front-line troops and World-War-II-style light signals to launch airplanes without radio communications.

Red received an ultimatum from Blue, essentially a surrender document, demanding a response within 24 hours. Thus warned of Blue's approach, Red used a fleet of small boats to determine the position of Blue's fleet by the second day of the exercise. In a preemptive strike, Red launched a massive salvo of cruise missiles that overwhelmed the Blue forces' electronic sensors and destroyed sixteen warships. This included one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of six amphibious ships. An equivalent success in a real conflict would have resulted in the deaths of over 20,000 service personnel. Soon after the cruise missile offensive, another significant portion of Blue's navy was "sunk" by an armada of small Red boats, which carried out both conventional and suicide attacks that capitalized on Blue's inability to detect them as well as expected. Exercise suspension and restart

At this point, the exercise was suspended, Blue's ships were "re-floated", and the rules of engagement were changed; this was later justified by General Peter Pace as follows: "You kill me in the first day and I sit there for the next 13 days doing nothing, or you put me back to life and you get 13 more days' worth of experiment out of me. Which is a better way to do it?" After the reset, both sides were ordered to follow predetermined plans of action.

After the war game was restarted, its participants were forced to follow a script drafted to ensure a Blue Force victory. Among other rules imposed by this script, Red Force was ordered to turn on their anti-aircraft radar in order for them to be destroyed, and was not allowed to shoot down any of the aircraft bringing Blue Force troops ashore.[3] Van Riper also claimed that exercise officials denied him the opportunity to use his own tactics and ideas against Blue Force, and that they also ordered Red Force not to use certain weapons systems against Blue Force and even ordered the location of Red Force units to be revealed.

Aftermath

This led to accusations that the war game had turned from an honest, open, free playtest of U.S. war-fighting capabilities into a rigidly controlled and scripted exercise intended to end in an overwhelming U.S. victory, alleging that "$250 million was wasted". Van Riper was extremely critical of the scripted nature of the new exercise and resigned from the exercise in the middle of the war game. Van Riper later said that the Vice Admiral Marty Mayer altered the exercise's purpose to reinforce existing doctrine and notions of infallibility within the U.S. military rather than serving as a learning experience.

Van Riper also stated that the war game was rigged so that it appeared to validate the modern, joint-service war-fighting concepts it was supposed to be testing.[4] He was quoted in the ZDF–New York Times documentary The Perfect War (2004) as saying that what he saw in MC02 echoed the same view promoted by the Department of Defense under Robert McNamara before and during the Vietnam War, namely that the U.S. military could not and would not be defeated.

Responding to Van Riper's criticism, Vice Admiral Mayer, who ran the war game and who was charged with developing the military's joint concepts and requirements, stated the following:

“Gen. Van Riper apparently feels he was too constrained. I can only say there were certain parts where he was not constrained, and then there were parts where he was in order to facilitate the conduct of the experiment and certain exercise pieces that were being done.”
—Vice Admiral Marty Mayer

Navy Captain John Carman, Joint Forces Command spokesman, said the war game had properly validated all the major concepts which were tested by Blue Force, ignoring the restrictions placed on Van Riper's Red Force that led them to succeed. Based on these findings, Carman stated that recommendations based on the war game's result on areas such as doctrine, training and procurement would be forwarded to General Richard Myers, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

nolu chan  posted on  2019-07-26   16:27:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#45. To: nolu chan (#43)

Interesting background. You recall the US being similarly nervous that Saddam would go all out when we invaded, up to using nerve gas. Our troops were deployed with gas masks in heat over 115 degrees. It was a really rotten time of year to invade Iraq.

I'm confident that in a real shooting war, our navy would be very cautious about exposing itself to Iran's weapons.

Iran loves its missiles, much as Russia does. So I can't rule out a massive missile attack. But I think closing the Straits with mines would be the far more likely tactic the Iranians would take.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-07-26 16:48:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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