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Title: Iran tanker crisis: Impending Brexit leaves UK with no choice but to do US bidding – and suffer the consequences
Source: The Independent via The Unz Review
URL Source: http://www.unz.com/pcockburn/brexit ... -to-do-trumps-bidding-in-iran/
Published: Jul 22, 2019
Author: Patrick Cockburn
Post Date: 2019-07-24 13:55:40 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 10048
Comments: 58

What on Earth were the British politicians and officials thinking who gave the go-ahead for the seizure of the Iranian oil tanker Grace 1 off Gibraltar on 4 July? Did they truly believe that the Iranians would not retaliate for what they see as a serious escalation in America’s economic war against them?

The British cover story that the sending of 30 Royal Marines by helicopter to take over the tanker was all to do with enforcing EU sanctions on Syria, and nothing to do with US sanctions on Iran, was always pretty thin.

The Spanish foreign minister, Josep Borrell, has said categorically that Britain took over the tanker “following a request from the United States to the United Kingdom”.

One fact about Iranian foreign policy should have been hardwired into the brain of every politician and diplomat in Britain, as it already is in the Middle East, which is that what you do to the Iranians they will do to you at a time and place of their own choosing.

The US and UK backed Saddam Hussein in his invasion of Iran in 1980, but this was not unconnected – though it was impossible to prove – with the suicide bombing that killed 241 US service personnel in the marine barracks in Beirut in 1983.

Commentators seeking an explanation for the UK’s seizure of the Grace 1 suggest that it was suckered into the action by super hawks in the US administration, such as the national security adviser John Bolton.

But, given the inevitability of the Iranian reaction against British naval forces too weak to defend British-flagged tankers, the British move looks more like a strategic choice dictated by a lack of other options.

Confrontation with the EU over Brexit means that Britain has no alternative but to ally itself ever more closely to the US.

Of course, this will scarcely be a new departure since Britain has glued itself to the US on almost all possible occasions since the Suez Crisis of 1956.

The lesson drawn from that debacle by Whitehall was that the UK needed to be always close to the US. The French drew the opposite conclusion that it must bond more closely with the continental European states in the shape of the European Economic Community.

The one-sided relationship between the US and UK was in operation in the military interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan. Britain walked into these quagmires to demonstrate its position as America’s most loyal ally while lacking a coherent policy and without adequate forces.

The Chilcot report said the only consistent theme that it could detect in British policy in Iraq between 2003 and 2009 was how to get its troops out of the country. Wanting to do it without offending the Americans, the British – in a major miscalculation – decided that this could be best done by relocating their forces to Afghanistan, where more than 400 of them were killed in action.

In its confrontation with Iran, Britain is in trouble because it is trying to ride several horses at the same time. It is supposedly seeking to adhere to the Iran nuclear deal and oppose US sanctions on Iran, but in practice it has done nothing of the sort and boarding the Grace 1 was a clear demonstration of this.

One feature of the present crisis is that the seizure of the Stena Impero is clearly tit-for-tat by Iran. It is, unlike past Iranian retaliatory actions, making no effort to conceal this, presumably calculating that there is not much Britain can do about it and it is a good time to demonstrate Iranian strength and British weakness.

Iran expresses no doubt that Britain is acting as a US proxy, though this has been true for a long time. But life as a proxy may be particularly dangerous in the Gulf at the moment because of the peculiar nature of the confrontation between the US and Iran in which neither side wants to engage in an all-out war.

This makes it necessary to act through proxies like the UK, an approach that minimises the chances of Americans being killed and Donald Trump having no option but to retaliate in kind.

Iran is being visibly hurt by sanctions but Iranians are more likely to blame the US for their sufferings than their own government. The US is not going to launch a ground invasion, as it did in Iraq in 2003, and, so long as this is off the table, Iran can sustain the military pressures.

In fact, a permanent crisis in the Gulf just below the level of a full-scale military conflict is in the interests of Iran and better than enduring a prolonged economic siege.

(Republished from The Independent by permission of author or representative)

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#1. To: Tooconservative (#0)

SEALS should storm the vessel and take it out of port.

Vicomte13  posted on  2019-07-24   14:41:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

SEALS should storm the vessel and take it out of port.

Assuming they succeeded, Do you seriously think it would make it out of Iranian territory before it was sunk?

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-07-24   15:04:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Pinguinite (#2)

I think that there would be a lot of fighting. There would have to be air escort, with a lot of aerial destruction of Iranian naval forces. I rather like the idea, because it would kill two birds with one stone: get that ship out of there, and make it such that the Iranians would have no forces afloat capable of doing it again. It would serve them right.

Vicomte13  posted on  2019-07-24   22:54:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Vicomte13 (#7)

I rather like the idea, because it would kill two birds with one stone: get that ship out of there, and make it such that the Iranians would have no forces afloat capable of doing it again. It would serve them right.

I think the Iranians were morally justified in taking the tanker, though it was probably illegal to do so. Though they claim technical moving violations as justification. Pretty much like a cop ticketing someone for changing lanes without signalling. Given there is no international police force for monitoring and enforcing sea lane traffic laws it seems the task would have to fall to countries that would volunteer for the duty.

As they say, it's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it! Maybe this is the new Iran trying to show the world they really are a country interested in law and order!

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-07-24   23:01:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Pinguinite (#8)

I think the Iranians were morally justified in taking the tanker, though it was probably illegal to do so. Though they claim technical moving violations as justification. Pretty much like a cop ticketing someone for changing lanes without signalling. Given there is no international police force for monitoring and enforcing sea lane traffic laws it seems the task would have to fall to countries that would volunteer for the duty.

In that part of the Gulf, they do actually have lanes. There's some puny island out there and inbound tankers stay on one side, outbound tankers on the other side. One of the ships the Iranians grabbed a few weeks back on suspicion of piracy came inbound in the wrong "lane" (the outbound lane). Or say the Iranians say.

So there are traffic lanes in those straits. It's not like open ocean.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-07-25   15:11:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Tooconservative (#14)

In that part of the Gulf, they do actually have lanes. There's some puny island out there and inbound tankers stay on one side, outbound tankers on the other side. One of the ships the Iranians grabbed a few weeks back on suspicion of piracy came inbound in the wrong "lane" (the outbound lane). Or say the Iranians say.

So there are traffic lanes in those straits. It's not like open ocean.

Yes, that's what I read. It's quite credible that the traffic rules exist, and also believable that tankers would only treat them, as per the Pirate Code, as mere "guidelines". I could also see a UK tanker captain traveling on the wrong side of the island if it meant staying farther away from Iranian waters given the tensions.

But obviously the seizing of the tanker by Iran on those grounds would only be a pretense to retaliating against the UK.

The UK, on the other hand, according to one report I read that was UK based, claimed the Iranian supertanker which may not even be Iranian but just under contract with Iran, made port in Gibraltar for provisions and parts which is where it was seized, and that it was not in the international waters of the Gibraltar straits when it was taken. No idea how true or not that is.

A lot of he said/she said. About the only thing we can be sure of is that the UK struck first.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-07-25   17:18:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Pinguinite (#15)

Yes, that's what I read. It's quite credible that the traffic rules exist, and also believable that tankers would only treat them, as per the Pirate Code, as mere "guidelines". I could also see a UK tanker captain traveling on the wrong side of the island if it meant staying farther away from Iranian waters given the tensions.

I think this is the kind of thing that landlubbers don't "get". And I know I'm a landlubber. You can only know so much from reading, and the rapidly sinking quality of reporting from overseas (or across town in NYC) gives you little confidence in the facts as reported.

The UK, on the other hand, according to one report I read that was UK based, claimed the Iranian supertanker which may not even be Iranian but just under contract with Iran, made port in Gibraltar for provisions and parts which is where it was seized, and that it was not in the international waters of the Gibraltar straits when it was taken. No idea how true or not that is.

I saw video at the Guardian or Independent. It showed a tanker ship underway apparently at sea and a helicopter and a few smaller Brit ships/boats and the chopper dropped at least one guy on the deck by rope in the video. So I assume that is how it started. I also saw some conflicting reports and accusations.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-07-25   18:13:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Tooconservative (#17)

Taking out Ghadafi was not a mistake. He was responsible for blowing up a British Airways flight over Lockerbie, Scotland, and killing US forces in Berlin. Terrorists he paid for, trained, sheltered and supported did that.

When we declared the War On Terror, we were not kidding: we are at war with ALL Islamist terror organizations, and the state that support them. Gadafi was that.

He had the chance to live: repent and hand over the terrorists sheltering in Libya. And sin no more. He did not do that. He laid low. And therefore, he had to die.

Every Islamist nation that shot weapons or launched terrorists at America has been slated for destruction, and every single one of them except Syria (protected by the Russians), and Iran, has been destroyed or changed.

And Syria is having the Golan Heights stripped from it permanently, after having been largely physically destroyed.

We were never joking around when we declared war, we have not changed our minds, and by and large, we have won. Iran is really the only holdout, and we are crushing Iran's economy.

By overthrowing Ghadafi, we did destroy the order in Libya, that's true. Now they live harder lives in a destroyed country. Fuck them. That is the price you pay when you kill Americans in airplanes. And while a few of us die in the terror attack, you and your people keep dying, in large numbers, and you all suffer for the better part of the century. If you're not terrified of provoking the wrath of the United States, because the Americans are ruthless, cruel, unjust and arbitrary, then you haven't been paying attention.

To save his life, Ghadafy had to submit AT ONCE. He did not. Now he's dead. And now the Libyans - same ones who aided and abetted the murder of Westerners in Scotland and Berlin, are living worse lives than they have lived in a half-century, and they can't get back up, because their own bile and poison is turned on each other, and they are eating each other. Good. Fuck them.

It's war. It doesn't end until we say it ends. Their deaths and suffering are a good thing - it is the just punishment for attacking our people 30 years ago. Terror is met with grinding horror. They will never apologize or think they are wrong, therefore, they shall have their faces ground into the mud, and be poor and suffer, for the rest of their lives, and if their children do not submit, theirs, and so on, until they finally have their will broken and change, like the Apache, Cherokee, Sioux, etc.

That's really what the Muslims are - the modern incarnation of the American Indian. And we know how to reduce that sort to nothing and grind them to powder, NEVER to rise again.

Moral: DO NOT MAKE WAR ON AMERICA, because the Americans are not only the most powerful nation in the world, and the richest, but they are remarkably cruel, and they really do not give a shit about the lives of their enemies while the fight is going on. The Americans care about the lives of their own.

Wiping out Ghadafi's Libya and making the LIBYANS live with Islamist barbarism is exactly right. Ditto for Yemen (where they blew up the Cole). Tear apart their civilizations and make the savages eat each other. They deserve everything they are getting.

Want mercy? Then abandon your religion, like the Japanese did, and hand over your terrorists, just like the Japanese handed over their leaders so that we could hang them.

No mercy. No reason for mercy. Yes, Libya is a mess and their lives are wrecked. So what? Who cares. Good. They deserve it. All lands that support terror deserve to live in agony and misery until they change their religion to not support it any more. And if they never change, then beat them down forever, like various of the warlike American Indian tribes, who never made peace, and who now rot in the desert and die at 50.

Engaging America in war is a terrible thing, because, guess what Ayatollah, you're right - as far as you are concerned, we ARE Satan. And you have no weapons that can hurt Satan, but Satan can torture you for eternity, AND WILL.

So get on your knees and surrender. Hand over who we tell you to, and change your religion to outlaw the jihad, or we will keep on killing you, for sport, like boys pulling wings off flies. You're the flies. And you cannot escape your fate.

That's what hatred looks and sounds like. And feels like. You hate us. And we hate you. You're weak. We're strong. You show no mercy. Don't expect any from us. Ghadady didn't get any. Libya's a ruin. Good.

Vicomte13  posted on  2019-07-26   14:49:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Vicomte13 (#34)

guess what Ayatollah, you're right - as far as you are concerned, we ARE Satan. And you have no weapons that can hurt Satan, but Satan can torture you for eternity, AND WILL.

So get on your knees and surrender. Hand over who we tell you to, and change your religion to outlaw the jihad, or we will keep on killing you, for sport, like boys pulling wings off flies. You're the flies. And you cannot escape your fate.

That's what hatred looks and sounds like. And feels like. You hate us. And we hate you. You're weak. We're strong. You show no mercy. Don't expect any from us. Ghadady didn't get any. Libya's a ruin. Good.

Perhaps you need to see a doctor?

A Pole  posted on  2019-07-26   14:58:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#39. To: A Pole (#36)

Hate is a disease?

Vicomte13  posted on  2019-07-26 15:45:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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