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Title: Hillarywp on her website asks Why Would They Lie About the Shape of the Earth?
Source: Flat Earth Science And The Bible
URL Source: https://flatearthscienceandbible.co ... the-the-globe-earth-deception/
Published: Aug 9, 2017
Author: HillaryWP
Post Date: 2019-07-08 13:19:50 by Liberator
Keywords: TRUTH, FLAT EARTH, BIBLE
Views: 381
Comments: 22

If you’ve heard about the Flat Earth theory then I’m sure you’ve asked yourself the question, Why? Why would they lie about the shape of the earth? It’s a pretty big lie, so there must be a pretty big reason!

One of the biggest and most obvious reasons for such a massive lie is for money and world control. NASA makes billions a year off taxpayer dollars for one, and what is all that money going towards if it’s all fake? It takes money to fake a space station in a giant swimming pool and pay a bunch of computer geeks to create CGI’s of earth, but somebody’s pockets are getting full for sure.

NASA was started by men in the occult. All top level astroNOTS are Freemasons and the Satanic Kabballah is taught at NASA while the name “Jesus” has been banned. You can research this yourself. Clearly these men are not promoting science but a pagan religion and a sinister agenda.

The Occult Roots of NASA and the Ongoing Fraud

The Satanic elite have a Plan to create a one world government, or the New World Order, and to hide God and destroy Christianity.
Satan has been working for 6,000 years to deceive humanity and he wants to be God on this earth. His ultimate goal is to get the whole world to reject the God of creation and to worship the Beast and his image (see Rev. 13-14)

Some of Satan’s greatest deceptions and accomplishments have been to overtake the scientific world and convince the general population that we evolved from monkeys and primordial soup (the Evolution Lie) and that everything comes from a Big Bang. These are Satanic lies and I’m sure most Christians would agree. These lies remove God from the universe and destroy the belief in a six day creation. They also destroy the Bible’s validity. Many people have become atheists and God haters because of these pagan Satanic theories.

The Big Evolution Lie: Darwin’s Doctrine of Delusion Debunked

But just think for a minute. What kind of earth does the Bible describe? In Genesis 1:16-17 it says “And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them IN THE FIRMAMENT of the heaven to give light upon the earth.”

If God placed the sun and moon IN THE FIRMAMENT then how can they be 93 million miles away? And if it is then the Bible is false.
The Bible also describes an immovable earth (1 Chronicles 16:30) set on pillars (1 Samuel 2:8) on the deep (Isaiah 51:10) with a glass firmament dome above the earth (Job 37:18) that separates the waters below from the waters above (Genesis 1: 7; Psalms 148:1). That is the flat earth model! Is the Bible false or is modern Pagan illuminati Satanic science false?

The flat earth is a stationary, non moving earth, set on a firm foundation with a close sun and moon set in the firmament, or inside the dome. The stars are above the firmament and the “universe” is small and close. We are not hurling through a vast expanding Big Bang universe. We are actually the center of God’s creation.

NASA KNOWS IT’S FLAT! NASA Report Describes a Flat, Stationary, Non-Rotating Earth

The theories of evolution, the Big Bang Theory, Atheism, the New Age movement, the New World Order, and the occult are all based on the ball earth theory. The spinning ball earth hurtling around a giant sun (Pagan Sun Worship) is the foundation for all these Satanic beliefs. Without the ball earth all of these lies fall apart and have no foundation.

On the flat earth model evolution and the Big Bang don’t work. A flat stationary earth inside a glass dome with a close fixed “universe” of stars and wandering stars (planets) rotating around the dome points to a Designer! The flat earth points to God alone as our creator! It blows all of Satan’s deceptions out of the water. It reveals God as the true creator and points all creation to the Bible as the source of all truth, even science.

I’ve had many people now coming to me telling me they were about to become an atheist or were an atheist when they discovered the truth of the flat earth and now they are reading their Bibles!!! It’s amazing! We are on a solid foundation and protected by a dome! God is close and we are the valuable center of His incredible creation!

But Satan hates truth and of course he is going to attack this movement and get Christians to reject it and not even research it. But once people start researching it, there is no denying the truth. All true science points to a flat geocentric earth and the God of the Bible as its Creator. If the whole world knew we lived on a flat earth created by God as described in the Bible, Satan would no longer be able to deceive the world.

The alien deception is also a lie based on the globe model. If earth is flat and there is no space, and aliens are revealed as what they truly are: demons!

Flat Earth Truth of the UFO Alien Deception

I hope this helps you understand better why flat earthers are so passionate about this truth. It is God’s truth for the last days!

60 Bible Verses Describing a Flat Earth Inside a Dome – Flat Earth Science and the Bible

The Satanic Hidden Agenda of NASA and the True Flat Earth – Flat Earth Science and the Bible

200 Proofs Earth is not a Spinning Ball


Poster Comment: Folks, the source to the Lies and Agenda (and war) is connected by the same tentacles, by the same people who share the same "god".

The real "conspiracy" about our world is how the Ruling Global Elite atheists and sun-worshiper Luciferians have pulled off some of the greatest Psychological Operations is history

What have they ALL in common

The discrediting and dismissal of God, the account of Creation, and the account of the entire first chapter of the Bible, 'Genesis' (and with it, the underpinning of God's Truth

So how exactly have been the masses (even "Christians") fallen for and been indoctrinated from birth to adulthood into rejecting the Creation account of Genesis and substitute and fully embrace an entire interwoven tapestry of the "Big Bang" LIE? The "Evolution" LIE? The 4.3 billion year old earth LIE? The Heliocentric Lie? The NASA LIE?... By indoctrinating everyone from the crib. This psychological coercion has been blasting us with "SEE THE GLOBE!!" "educational" and cultural images, drilling "BELIEVE OR ELSE!!" obedience into our brain so that any and all unproven/un-provable assumptions, pseudo-Science, and LIES quickly become rock-solid dogma and our immovable intellectual default. The primary casualty has predictably been...Belief in God and HIS Creation

HOWEVER...there is now an ongoing been a Great Awakening. (To an important degree thanks to You Tube and its truth-revealing content creators. (9 images)

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#1. To: Seekers of Truth, Engagers of Logic, Enemies of Lies (#0)

This You Tube has been salvaged after having been banned, locked up, and buried by You Tube and G00gle. Thankfully it now sees the light again. The truth cannot be contained these days.

Stay with it -- your patience will be rewarded. You will see and hear a great deal of archival information that is DOCUMENTED along with a sane, measured conversations, and questions and answers that will cause intellectually, spiritually honest people to come to the same conclusion.

Liberator  posted on  2019-07-08   13:40:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Liberator (#0)

QUESTIONS FOR FLATTARDS 1-4

By Cool Hard Logic

Questions for Flattards Set 1

CoolHardLogic
Published on May 18, 2017

Some fun while we wait for Part 3: Questions for Flattards.

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Questions for Flattards Set 2

CoolHardLogic
Published on Jun 15, 2018

Some fun while we wait for Testing Flattards Part 5... It's time for more Questions for Flattards!

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Questions for Flattards Set 3

CoolHardLogic
Published on Feb 5, 2019

Notification squad! It's time for more Questions for Flattards!

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Questions for Flattards Set 4

CoolHardLogic
Published on Apr 15, 2019

It's time for the most pertinent set of Questions for Flattards! We'll be asking, "what have the flattards ever done for us?" and unlike the Romans, we will be left wanting.

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nolu chan  posted on  2019-07-08   15:21:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Liberator (#0)

The scientific term is "pseudo-profound bullshit," and there is measurement on the "bullshit receptivity scale." Yes, the time has come for scientists to address the persistent replacement of reason with pseudo-profound bullshit.

https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~baron/journal/15/15923a/jdm15923a.pdf

Judgment and Decision Making. Vol. Id. No. 6. November 2015. pp. 549-563

On the reception and detection of pseudo-profound bullshit

Gordon Pennycook
James Allan Cheyner
Nathaniel Barr
Derek J. Koehler
Jonathan A. Fugelsang

Abstract

Although bullshit is common in everyday life and has attracted attention from philosophers, its reception (critical or ingen­uous) has not, to our knowledge, been subject to empirical investigation. Here we locus on pseudo-profound bullshit, which consists of seemingly impressive assertions that are presented as true and meaningful but are actually vacuous. We presented participants with bullshit statements consisting of buzzwords randomly organized into statements with syntactic structure hut no discernible meaning (e.g.. “Wholeness quiets infinite phenomena”). Across multiple studies, the propensity to judge bull­shit statements as profound was associated with a variety of conceptually relevant variables (e.g., intuitive cognitive style, supernatural belief. Parallel associations were less evident among profundity judgments for more conventionally profound (e.g., “A wet person does not fear the rain”) or mundane (e.g., “Newborn babies require constant attention”) statements. These results support the idea that some people are more receptive to this type of bullshit and that detecting it is not merely a matter of indiscriminate skepticism but rather a discernment of deceptive vagueness in otherwise impressive sounding claims. Our re­sults also suggest that a bias toward accepting statements as true may be an important component ot pseudo-profound bullshit receptivity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovc1BHMsCaw

Why Do People Think Bullsh*t is Profound?

Seeker
Published on May 17, 2016

Recently, researchers have been studying the science of ‘bullshit.’ Can you actually tell when someone is full of it?

nolu chan  posted on  2019-07-08   15:23:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: nolu chan (#3)

Here's an "abstract":

By the thread-spamming like an 11-year old, you now look like a petty clown.

Thanks for letting me know I live in your head, rent-free.

Liberator  posted on  2019-07-08   16:27:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Liberator (#4)

Here's an "abstract":

I quoted the abstract.

https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~baron/journal/15/15923a/jdm15923a.pdf

I linked to the entire scientific paper. Had I known you craved more than the abstract and didn't know how to follow a link to the entire report, I would have provided more. There are various interesting adjuncts to pseudo-profound bullshit. For example there are the Barnum effect, and baloney detection.

Judgment and Decision Making. Vol. 10. No. 6. November 2015. pp. 549-563

On the reception and detection of pseudo-profound bullshit

By Gordon Pennycook, James Allan Cheyner, Nathaniel Barr, Derek J. Koehler, Jonathan A. Fugelsang

Licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 license.

At 559-60:

17 General discussion

The present study represents an initial investigation of the individual differences in receptivity to pseudo-profound bullshit. We gave people syntactically coherent sentences that consisted of random vague buzzwords and, across four studies, these statements were judged to be at least somewhat profound. This tendency was also evident when we presented participants with similar real-world examples of pseudo-profound bullshit. Most importantly, we have provided evidence that individuals vary in conceptually interpretable ways in their propensity to ascribe profundity to bullshit statements; a tendency we refer to as “bullshit receptivity”. Those more receptive to bullshit are less reflective, lower in cognitive ability (i.e., verbal and fluid intelligence, numeracy), are more prone to ontological confusions and conspiratorial ideation, are more likely to hold religious and paranormal beliefs, and are more likely to endorse complementary and alternative medicine. Finally, we introduced a measure of pseudo-profound bullshit sensitiv- ity by computing a difference score between profundity ratings for pseudo-profound bullshit and legitimately meaningful motivational quotations. This measure was related to analytic cognitive style and paranormal skepticism. However, there was no association between bullshit sensitivity and either conspiratorial ideation or acceptance of complementary and alternative medicine (CAM). Nonetheless, our findings are consistent with the idea that the tendency to rate vague, meaningless statements as profound (i.e., pseudoprofound bullshit receptivity) is a legitimate psychological phenomenon that is consistently related to at least some variables of theoretical interest.

17.1 Response bias and sensitivity

We proposed two mechanisms that explain why people might rate bullshit as profound. The first is a type of response bias wherein some individuals are simply more prone to relatively high profundity ratings. Although this mechanism is not specific to bullshit, it may at least partly explain why our pseudo-profound bullshit measure was so consistently positively correlated with epistemically suspect beliefs. Some people may have an uncritically open mind. As the idiom goes: “It pays to keep an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out”. In Study 3, some people even rated entirely mundane statements (e.g., “Most people enjoy at least some sort of music”) as at least somewhat profound. Our results suggest that this tendency – which resembles a general gullibility factor – is a component of pseudoprofound bullshit receptivity. There is, of course, a great deal of research on this sort of mechanism. As a prominent example, consider the “Barnum effect”. In his classic demonstration of gullibility, Forer (1949) had introductory psychology students complete a personality measure (the “Diagnostic Interest Blank”, DIB). One week later, he gave each of the students an ostensibly personalized personality sketch that consisted of 13 statements and asked them to rate both the accuracy of the statements and the overall efficacy of the DIB. Unbeknownst to the students, Forer had actually given every student the same personality sketch that consisted entirely of vague, generalized statements taken from a newsstand astrology book (e.g., “You have a great need for other people to like and admire you.”). Although some people were more skeptical than others, the lowest number of specific statements accepted was 8 (out of 13). Moreover, the students were quite convinced of the personality tests’ efficacy – “All of the students accepted the DIB as a good or perfect instrument for personality measurement” (Forer, 1949, p. 121). Meehl (1956) first referred to this as the Barnum effect, after the notorious hoaxer (bullshitter) P. T. Barnum.2

2 In an amusing irony, P. T. Barnum is often erroneously attributed the phrase “There’s a sucker born every minute.” This is true even in at least one review of research on the Barnum effect (Furnham & Shofield, 1987).

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As a secondary point, it is worthwhile to distinguish uncritical or reflexive open-mindedness from thoughtful or reflective open-mindedness. Whereas reflexive openmindedness results from an intuitive mindset that is very accepting of information without very much processing, reflective open-mindedness (or active open-mindedness; e.g., Baron, Scott, Fincher & Metz, 2014) results from a mindset that searches for information as a means to facilitate critical analysis and reflection. Thus, the former should cause one to be more receptive of bullshit whereas the latter, much like analytic cognitive style, should guard against it.

The foregoing highlights what appears to be a strong general susceptibility to bullshit, but what cognitive mechanisms inoculate against bullshit? Drawing on recent dualprocess theories that posit a key role for conflict detection in reasoning (De Neys, 2012; Pennycook et al., 2015), we proposed that people may vary in their ability to detect bullshit. Our results modestly support this claim. Namely, we created a bullshit “sensitivity” measure by subtracting profundity ratings for pseudo-profound bullshit from ratings for legitimate motivational quotations. Increased bullshit sensitivity was associated with better performance on measures of analytic thinking. This is consistent with Sagan’s (1996) famous claim that critical thinking facilitates “baloney detection”.

Further, bullshit sensitivity was associated with lower paranormal belief, but not conspiratorial ideation or acceptance of complementary and alternative medicine. This was not predicted as all three forms of belief are considered “epistemically suspect” (e.g., Pennycook, et al., in press). One possible explanation for this divergence is that supernatural beliefs are a unique subclass because they entail a conflict between some immaterial claim and (presumably universal) intuitive folk concepts (Atran & Norenzayan, 2004). For example, the belief in ghosts conflicts with folk-mechanics – that is intuitive belief that objects cannot pass through solid objects (Boyer, 1994). Pennycook et al. (2014) found that degree of belief in supernatural religious claims (e.g., angels, demons) is negatively correlated with conflict detection effects in a reasoning paradigm. This result suggests that the particularly robust association between pseudo-profound bullshit receptivity and supernatural beliefs may be because both response bias and conflict detection (sensitivity) support both factors. Further research is needed to test this claim.

nolu chan  posted on  2019-07-08   18:03:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: nolu chan (#5)

Had I known you craved more than the abstract and didn't know how to follow a link to the entire report, I would have provided more.

I think we can resolve this problem with an abstract and forensic report on your alleged brain. (Can someone please email me the report and evidence one actually exists in your skull? Thank you.)

(Professor of Psychology, School of Arts and Sciences, University of Pennsylvania)

THIS is how and with whom you base your entire case of "discrediting" the theory of Flat Earth Science?? Is this some kind of joke??

And pray tell -- just what would the subject of a pseudo-"Science" (referred to as 'Psychology' racket) have to do with observational and practical science? Or the physical realm of this world? OR, any "Truth" for that matter?

Most people are well aware that psychologists, psychiatrists, and sociologists are the biggest head-cased on the planet. I personally know two of them very well -- batsh*t crazy.

The entire mission in life for these people is projection of their own moral relativity and life-shortcomings, and proving *other* people are crazier than they are. One main reason: Most people in the "Psycho" business are humanists and atheists who dismiss the notion of a subservience to God and a Biblical world view -- which explains a lot, including their mental instability as a group.

For citing the opinions of this group of psychologists (along with goofball liberal doctrinaire "Prof Dave") to support a position for which it appears you are totally ignorant, I have no other choice than to grade your efforts as an F-

Now if you're willing to examine some Flat Earth evidence and theory (We are ALL taught the same "Globe Earth" theory), you can at least justify and dispute any claims or assertions.

IF you refuse to do so you'll continue having ZERO grounds for ANY intellectually honest position...or to be taken seriously about ANY subject. If your position is that you have no interest in the Flat Earth subject, just say so. I respect people who are honest -- even if they disagree with my position. In that case, your admission of dis-interest would at least enable some degree of integrity.

Liberator  posted on  2019-07-08   18:44:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: All (#6) (Edited)

Folks, THIS is the way disinfo specialists and Gate-Keepers like Chan and NeverConservative try to prevent new information and truth from bleeding into the public sphere of consciousness...

By distraction, thread-hijacking/derailing, and spamming.

Why are they trying so hard to disrupt the flow of information to such an obvious degree?
Which of their sacred cows is being gored?
Which "secrets" are they trying to mask and hide?
Who is their master?

Liberator  posted on  2019-07-08   18:52:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Liberator (#0)

This is why I made the allegation that your belief that the earth is flat is based on the Bible. In that way, it would not be wholly based on honest observation alone.

You have an agenda in proving the earth flat, just as you charge the Free Masons and the like have an agenda in advocating a global earth. For you, the earth *must* be flat because if it isn't then the Bible can't be the "Word of God", and life then becomes meaningless. That seems a pretty strong motivator.

For me, as far as life's meaning goes, it doesn't matter what the shape of the earth is. Neither does evolution or the age of the universe. Perhaps that means I'm non-biased on this issue?

But certainly, you must honestly concede you are biased. Yes? No?

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-07-08   21:00:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Trifling with the original titles, A K A?

Bye.

Liberator  posted on  2019-07-09   9:55:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Liberator (#9)

Yep. I'm not going to let some kook article proclaim it speaks for God. That would be sinful.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-07-09   10:10:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Liberator (#9)

Trifling with the original titles, A K A?

Although I disagree with you on this topic - A K A shouldn't change titles because he doesn't like the content of the article.

It's a petty and childish thing to do

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-07-09   10:34:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Liberator (#6)

(Professor of Psychology, School of Arts and Sciences, University of Pennsylvania)

THIS is how and with whom you base your entire case of "discrediting" the theory of Flat Earth Science?? Is this some kind of joke??

There is Flat Earth THEORY. There is no such thing as Flat Earth SCIENCE.

A professor at the University of Pennsylvania, and the five Canadian authors of a scientific paper, trump your invocation of the anonymous Hillarywp whose known qualifications are running a kook website on Flat Earth theory.

THIS is how and with whom you base your entire case of "discrediting" the theory of Flat Earth Science?? Is this some kind of joke??

And pray tell -- just what would the subject of a pseudo-"Science" (referred to as 'Psychology' racket) have to do with observational and practical science? Or the physical realm of this world? OR, any "Truth" for that matter?

Of course, this is not the ENTIRE case of discrediting Flat Earth THEORY. There is the entire observable known universe for that.

Flat Earth THEORY is based on bullshit. Neurological science delves into pseudo-profound bullshit and bullshit receptivity to explore why people, such as yourself, exhibit receptivity to bullshit. Explaining why people are receptive to pseudo-profound bullshit is directly relevant to explaining why Flattards are receptive to Flat Earth THEORY which is bullshit.

For citing the opinions of this group of psychologists (along with goofball liberal doctrinaire "Prof Dave") to support a position for which it appears you are totally ignorant, I have no other choice than to grade your efforts as an F-

Your inability to attempt to rebut anything offered by CoolHard Logic or Psi Guy Dave yields your grade of F.

You inability to produce a scintilla of your alleged "research" (The Dog Ate My Homework) yields a Dropped due to failure to participate. Disrupting with bullshit yields no credit toward participating with science.

You espousal of blogger Hillarywp bullshit exhibits your high bullshit receptivity score - A+.

Now if you're willing to examine some Flat Earth evidence and theory

You have not presented one scintilla of your alleged research on Flat Earth Theory bullshit. Due to your continued failure to provide your "research" bullshit, it is unavailable for examination.

You have presented nothing more than the unaccredited bullshit of website wingnuts.

nolu chan  posted on  2019-07-09   14:57:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A K A Stone, pinguinite, ALL (#10)

This is my last post here. Thank you for hosting this forum and keeping it running like a top.

WHY does "Flat/Plain Earth" matter?? For the same reason ALL of God's Truth Matters; Belief or disbelief in Genesis' Creation and the entire chapter of Genesis is the single greatest factor in any OR a continued belief in the Gospel for children as they become teenagers and young adults. "Globe Earth" leads to belief in Big Bang, Evolution, and Man replacing God for explanation and purpose of/for our world. And ultimately, synthetic Science is taught and sought for addressing Man's life and spiritual solutions. (Which was the Devil's First Lie in the Garden of Eden.)

(Give this courageous Pastor 12 minutes of your time):

A K A, in this case you are ill-advisedly attempting to redefine "truth" as a matter of personal perception and a world in which you and many others are deceived. The TRUTH "speaks for God." The BIBLE speaks for God. God = Truth. If you can find any willful lying and/or deception by this author, OR ANY author with respect to the assertions describing the Lord's Creation of this place -- especially in Genesis, Job, and Psalms, please point them out.

With respect to the supposed "sin" of citing the testimony of Scripture to support God's "Flat/Plain Earth" world -- along with the rest of the self-contained "heavenly bodies" within the divinely-declared Firmament -- you are wrong. NOT because *I* say you are wrong, but because GOD says you are wrong.

"Sinful" is a powerful indictment. I believe any information that actively promotes and advances and reveals the Word of God and Truth is anything but "sinful". (Again...Can you point out the evidence for the "sin" OR "lie" in this case?? Is something you may not understand considered a "sin"?)

For your information, this particular "kook article" was written and shared by person whose only motivation is hoping to reinforce the weight and trust of God's Word with respect to how He created our world. That weight is indeed based on his faith and testimony of Scripture itself, along with several citations.

Why are some people able to grasp and understand a world in which Scripture in Genesis clearly describes a Flat/Plain Earth, along with a self-contained system of stars, planets, Moon and Sun set within a Firmament?

There is such a thing as discernment of truth. It is a gift given to this author by the Holy Spirit. Yes, a "Gift" from the Holy Spirit -- that is one God's promise to Believers. (Whether you or others believe it or not.)

I'll also point out that over 2000 years ago, Jesus Christ Himself, the Apostles, and other Believers were accused of "sin" and regarded with disdain because they audaciously rejected the "religion du jour" along with its self-annointed gatekeepers of "Truth" -- i.e., the Pharisees.

Personal observational and practical Science. A reality of a stationary, plane earth and a geocentric model for the stars, planets, Moon and Sun. At the very foundation for validation of this model as THE truth...is its author: God. The Bible itself. Either God and the Bible are lying or they are not.

So again, A K A -- I've appreciated your creation of a forum where free thought and truth could be shared. As a person, you have stood up and defended what matters in this mortal life; for life unborn and innocent, for liberty, and for Truth...And you've stood against perversion and lies.

I don't believe you or others oppose these truths maliciously, by spite, or as a result of a nefarious agenda. Like most people, you and they reject and oppose a belief system which seems to threaten their world view. The refusal to invest time and energy in order to understand the subject may be just a matter of impatience, indifference or ignorance. OR...the matter of cradle to grave indoctrination of "Globe Earth" and risk of social ostracizing.

AND THEN.... there is that other subgroup of forum dissenters who've anointed themselves "Gatekeepers" of newly revealed truth and information. They are Vandals of Honesty and Truth with a definite agenda.

To my friends and acquaintances here over the years between FR, LP, LF (and yes, even at 4um)...

I have enjoyed and appreciated your company, your camaraderie, sparring, challenges, and spirited exchanges; commitment to fighting the good fight, your devotion to truth and righteousness... the laughs, sense of humor, wit, sharing news stories and information day after day, year after year...and thank you for sharing your forum lives with me...and with one another.

May you all continue battling this world's lies while seeking and pursuing the truth AND the Lord.... so that one day soon we shall see one another in His Eternal Kingdom.

God Bless you and your families,

Lib

P.S. -- This one is for you, Stoner:

Liberator  posted on  2019-07-09   17:04:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: nolu chan, Liberator (#12)

You have presented nothing more than the unaccredited bullshit of website wingnuts.

Often, I believe you are much more a progressive soul pushing BULLSHIT than anything Liberator could whip up.

buckeroo  posted on  2019-07-09   23:38:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Liberator, nolu chan (#13)

Well, before you go, you can enjoy this latest episode of Flat Earthers Full Retard Mode #24.

Note: this is not just regular Flat Earth retard mode. This is the full Flat Earth retard mode.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-07-10   0:30:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Liberator (#13)

I believe I can understand your decision. I don't blame you one bit.

Be well, friend. I suspect our paths will cross again one day.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-07-10   3:13:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Liberator (#13)

My solution to you posting these crazy articles was to change the title to reflect that it is't revelation from God but something else, and let you debate silly waste of time stuff. Maybe I should have just deleted it from the start huh.

Take care.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-07-10   7:22:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: A K A Stone, Liberator (#17) (Edited)

Maybe I should have just deleted it from the start huh.

Take care.

And once again, another quality poster is driven away from this once vibrant and active site which is now dying a slow death due to the forum owner and his petty behaviour.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-07-10   7:51:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Deckard (#18)

You are a nobody with an opinion on everything. Fuck off.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-07-10   7:57:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A K A Stone (#19)

Fuck off.

Stay classy sport.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-07-10   8:01:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Tooconservative (#15)

Well, before you go

Here, fixed it for ya.

Well, before you go move to another handle....

Neil DeGrasse Tyson devises a plan for what to do with Flattards:

https://youtu.be/TibLAysPvfA

nolu chan  posted on  2019-07-10   15:14:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A K A Stone, Pinguinite (#19)

I still think you and Neil should consider reinstating the old Biker Bar feature.

The feature did allow the site moderator to banish to one area all the articles and comments that the moderator didn't think rated a spot on the main sidebars.

In the Pinguinite site source code, a comment on Cat Filtering (Biker Bar) mentions:

"## CATEGORY FITERING DISABLED 3/4/2009 DUE TO HEAVY LOAD ON MYSQL SERVER WITH 90000+ ARTICLES"

But computers are faster now, have more threads/cores, a lot more RAM, much bigger disks, options to use fast SSD disks (LF's entire MYSQL database can't be larger than the cheapest small modern SSD drives). And LF does currently have less than 60,000 articles on it, way less than LP had when they disabled the Biker Bar.

The LF server should rather easily handle the slightly increased workload of supporting the Biker Bar feature. The site just doesn't seem to get as much traffic as LP did. You could always try to reinstate that Biker Bar and see how it works on your current server.

It is sort of a middle ground. Content doesn't get banned but it does end up being segregated. You could also rather easily keep Google and other search engines from indexing site pages from the Biker Bar if you wanted to avoid attracting kooks on some given topic like religious apocalyptic or hardcore Truthers or people who advocate the kookiest JFK or moon landing conspiracy. And it is fair to segregate content that is out of the mainstream. There's no great reason to provide a sidebar to promote LF as a site with content that is way out of the mainstream. I also think that if you ever hope to see the site grow much, it won't happen if you have stuff like the Flat Earth and the chemtrails and other far-out content sitting right in the site's main sidebar which gets displayed on almost every page on the forum. You just won't attract the kind of posters you really want.

Of course, Stone would have to be willing to glance down his sidebar and actually enforce it.

I always thought that Biker Bar was one of the key features of the forum software.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-07-10   17:24:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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