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Title: The Reliability of the Bible (Proof-Positive Provided?)
Source: YT
URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAH_-Du2428
Published: Jun 5, 2019
Author: GENESIS APOLOGETICS
Post Date: 2019-06-10 11:25:47 by Liberator
Keywords: BIBLE, GOD
Views: 4818
Comments: 25

Is the Bible reliable?

Does it include prophecies about Jesus Christ that have come true? Has it been reliably copied over the centuries?

Is the Bible inerrant?

The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls help answer these questions!


Poster Comment:

Sequential, repeated evidence is provided for over two millennia of the very same prophecies and information.

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#1. To: Liberator (#0)

Seems the premise is that the prophecies were fulfilled via the tenants of Christian theology. That would, to an extent, make them self-fulfilling prophecies.

I.e. if Isaiah had not written about a man being whipped four our iniquities, would the belief that the whipping Jesus received was because of our iniquities be part of Christian theology today?

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-10   12:14:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Pinguinite (#1)

Seems the premise is that the prophecies were fulfilled via the tenants of Christian theology. That would, to an extent, make them self-fulfilling prophecies.

A "premise" is a theory; This video demonstrated a lineage and repeatable documentation and proof of fulfilled prophecy. Proof simply does not get any more valid and credible than 2700 years of documentation.

Btw, "Christianity" did not exist in the days of Isaiah. Jesus Christ would not appear for hundreds of years. Isaiah 53 speak to it.

(did you watch the video?)

Liberator  posted on  2019-06-10   12:26:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Liberator (#2)

Yes, I did, and I don't find it very compelling for the reason I gave.

It seems you missed my point about Isaiah being a "self-fulfilling" prophecy. To put the question another way: Is there any source in the Bible that claims that Jesus was whipped for our iniquities that cannot be traced back to Isaiah? I imagine Paul wrote of it in one of his letters that is now in the Bible but if so and he was referring back to Isaiah, then that would not count as Paul could be said to be retrofitting the prophecy to create a new piece of Christian doctrine. In which case, it is not fulfilled prophecy at all.

Prophecies about historic events are one thing. But prophecies that find their fulfillment in the form of developed Christian doctrine are quite another and can easily be the *direct* result of the prophecy itself rather than something that came to pass independently.

The speaker at the end argues that a skeptic is choosing to rely on his own judgment about the Bible instead of the Bible's judgment about the Bible. But anyone who chooses to believe the Bible is still relying on his own judgment that the Bible is the WoG, is he not?

It is not possible for any man to disable his own sense of judgment in what he believes, whether Christian or not, or whether he believes the Bible is the WoG or not.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-10   12:58:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Pinguinite (#4) (Edited)

The speaker at the end argues that a skeptic is choosing to rely on his own judgment about the Bible instead of the Bible's judgment about the Bible. But anyone who chooses to believe the Bible is still relying on his own judgment that the Bible is the WoG, is he not?

The Bible also tells us the truth is written in our heart. If He dwells in us we know the Truth.

The Bible also warns of those who shall remain blinded of their own volition.

I have cited scripture, and would in these cases, but I'm not sure it would do any good :-(

Liberator  posted on  2019-06-10   13:38:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Liberator (#6)

The Bible also tells us the truth is written in our heart. If He dwells in us we know the Truth.

That much I agree with. We all know the truth, deep down.

The Bible also warns of those who shall remain blinded of their own volition.

I believe it is a virtue to be honest enough to question our own beliefs and seek truthful answers, and that what we believe not be swayed by fear of retribution either in this life or the next, whatever that may be, but instead be the result of reasoned and rational thought.

I have cited scripture, and would in these cases, but I'm not sure it would do any good :-(

It's likely it would not, just as the evidence I have provided you re: the Newton model would do no good and showing evidence the earth may be round would do no good. Would we say that being wrong about the shape of the earth would not be detrimental to one's eternal soul, but being wrong about theology is? Does it makes any sense at all that God would care about academic correctness on one subject and not another?

I would say that those who think He does grossly underestimate Him.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-10   16:05:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Pinguinite (#8)

How Shall We Sing the Lord’s Song?

137 By the waters of Babylon,

there we sat down and wept,

when we remembered Zion.

2 On the willows1 there

we hung up our lyres.

3 For there our captors

required of us songs,

and our tormentors, mirth, saying,

“Sing us one of the songs of Zion!”

4 sHow shall we sing the Lord’s song

in a foreign land?

5 If I forget you, O Jerusalem,

tlet my right hand forget its skill!

6 Let my utongue stick to the roof of my mouth,

if I do not remember you,

if I do not set Jerusalem

above my highest joy!

7 Remember, O Lord, against the Edomites

wthe day of Jerusalem,

how they said, x“Lay it bare, lay it bare,

down to its foundations!”

8 O daughter of Babylon, ydoomed to be destroyed,

blessed shall he be who zrepays you

with what you have done to us!

9 Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones

and dashes them against the rock!

Get with the program, Pinguinite. Grab you an infant.

randge  posted on  2019-06-11   17:45:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: randge, Pinguinite (#11)

Get with the program, Pinguinite. Grab you an infant.

By citing Psalm 137, what point are you really trying to make?

Liberator  posted on  2019-06-12   12:01:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#19. To: Liberator (#16)

Pardon the flippant post.

With respect and without putting too fine a point on it, after having recently read the OT all the way through (and having reread the NT) I find that it's not possible for me to generate much reverence for the Canaanite deity represented in those pages with regard to common morality or a general sense of righteousness. In many ways to my mind, the Old Testament suffers from a major defect similar to that found in the Quran (which BTW is an infinitely inferior text rhetorically, poetically and philosophically to the OT). I have read that book also in parts and I find much of it repellent in the extreme.

Nevertheless, the religious books of the Judaic religion have much to commend themselves, and its authors display a deep understanding of human nature in many places. It is also the predecessor to the New Testament faith which has a whole lot to recommend it and which has been tamed over time. The Romans employed it as a civil religion that produced a reliable citizenry and when necessary a reliable soldiery. So far, so good. Over the centuries, it has been bridled and habituated to accommodate a range of beliefs, interpretations and actions. We are no longer burned to a crisp on a stake for example for translating or criticizing Scripture.

Some of the finest people I know are confessed Christians, but the Old Books in great part, I cannot swallow them.

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