Title: The Reliability of the Bible (Proof-Positive Provided?) Source:
YT URL Source:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAH_-Du2428 Published:Jun 5, 2019 Author:GENESIS APOLOGETICS Post Date:2019-06-10 11:25:47 by Liberator Keywords:BIBLE, GOD Views:5630 Comments:25
Is the Bible reliable?
Does it include prophecies about Jesus Christ that have come true? Has it been reliably copied over the centuries?
Is the Bible inerrant?
The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls help answer these questions!
Poster Comment:
Sequential, repeated evidence is provided for over two millennia of the very same prophecies and information.
Seems the premise is that the prophecies were fulfilled via the tenants of Christian theology. That would, to an extent, make them self-fulfilling prophecies.
I.e. if Isaiah had not written about a man being whipped four our iniquities, would the belief that the whipping Jesus received was because of our iniquities be part of Christian theology today?
Seems the premise is that the prophecies were fulfilled via the tenants of Christian theology. That would, to an extent, make them self-fulfilling prophecies.
A "premise" is a theory; This video demonstrated a lineage and repeatable documentation and proof of fulfilled prophecy. Proof simply does not get any more valid and credible than 2700 years of documentation.
Btw, "Christianity" did not exist in the days of Isaiah. Jesus Christ would not appear for hundreds of years. Isaiah 53 speak to it.
Yes, I did, and I don't find it very compelling for the reason I gave.
It seems you missed my point about Isaiah being a "self-fulfilling" prophecy. To put the question another way: Is there any source in the Bible that claims that Jesus was whipped for our iniquities that cannot be traced back to Isaiah? I imagine Paul wrote of it in one of his letters that is now in the Bible but if so and he was referring back to Isaiah, then that would not count as Paul could be said to be retrofitting the prophecy to create a new piece of Christian doctrine. In which case, it is not fulfilled prophecy at all.
Prophecies about historic events are one thing. But prophecies that find their fulfillment in the form of developed Christian doctrine are quite another and can easily be the *direct* result of the prophecy itself rather than something that came to pass independently.
The speaker at the end argues that a skeptic is choosing to rely on his own judgment about the Bible instead of the Bible's judgment about the Bible. But anyone who chooses to believe the Bible is still relying on his own judgment that the Bible is the WoG, is he not?
It is not possible for any man to disable his own sense of judgment in what he believes, whether Christian or not, or whether he believes the Bible is the WoG or not.
The speaker at the end argues that a skeptic is choosing to rely on his own judgment about the Bible instead of the Bible's judgment about the Bible. But anyone who chooses to believe the Bible is still relying on his own judgment that the Bible is the WoG, is he not?
The Bible also tells us the truth is written in our heart. If He dwells in us we know the Truth.
The Bible also warns of those who shall remain blinded of their own volition.
I have cited scripture, and would in these cases, but I'm not sure it would do any good :-(
The Bible also tells us the truth is written in our heart. If He dwells in us we know the Truth.
That much I agree with. We all know the truth, deep down.
The Bible also warns of those who shall remain blinded of their own volition.
I believe it is a virtue to be honest enough to question our own beliefs and seek truthful answers, and that what we believe not be swayed by fear of retribution either in this life or the next, whatever that may be, but instead be the result of reasoned and rational thought.
I have cited scripture, and would in these cases, but I'm not sure it would do any good :-(
It's likely it would not, just as the evidence I have provided you re: the Newton model would do no good and showing evidence the earth may be round would do no good. Would we say that being wrong about the shape of the earth would not be detrimental to one's eternal soul, but being wrong about theology is? Does it makes any sense at all that God would care about academic correctness on one subject and not another?
I would say that those who think He does grossly underestimate Him.
Get with the program, Pinguinite. Grab you an infant.
Oh, look, randge opened a Bible! Hoping to find a passage to disprove God? You merely found the prayer of a traumatized people. The Jews were remembering that their own children had been dashed against the rocks by the Babylonians. Plot twist: it was God Who brought the Babylonians to inflict such punishment against Judah!
I think this passage is what you were looking for...the bloody, fierce wrath of Jesus Christ poured out on His enemies (humans being killed by Christ!)
Revelation 19:11-19
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Will you be one of those gathered together to make war against God? If you continue in disbelief, and if you survive long enough, you will in fact be gathered there...
I think this passage is what you were looking for...the bloody, fierce wrath of Jesus Christ poured out on His enemies (humans being killed by Christ!)
