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Title: **WATCH CLOSELY** at this terrifying "Deep-Fake" CGI Technology; How the line between "reality" and fakery will now obliterate truth
Source: YouTube
URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPhUhypV27w
Published: May 31, 2019
Author: Bill Hader/CGI Tech
Post Date: 2019-05-31 11:22:59 by Liberator
Keywords: "Deep-Fake" Tech, Video-Sorcery, Blured-Reality
Views: 5993
Comments: 86

It's here. "Deep Fake" face transitioning via video-sorcery CGI and technology will now be used to manipulate truth and "reality."

Prepare to have your mind blown:


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This advanced video technology now means NO videotaped people or event can now be admitted as "proof" of anything.

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#1. To: Liberator (#0)

Interesting I think it's been going on for some time now but it's getting to the stage where you can't see the difference between real and fake.

On another note, what say you about this:

Pentagon Finally Admits To UFO Investigations

AATIP's existence was revealed in 2017, when former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) claimed to have arranged for the program's $22 million annual funding. Reid told the New York Times that it was "one of the good things I did in my congressional service."

The New York Times published the article after the DoD released a 33-second DoD video released by the AATIP, featuring an airborne object being chased off the coast of San Diego by two navy jets in 2004. 

On Sunday we reported on an op-ed written by Christopher Mellon in The Hill, on the fact that since 2015, "dozens of Navy F-18 fighter jets have encountered Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon (UAPs) - once commonly referred to as UFOs - off the East Coast of the United States, some not far from the nation’s capital. Encounters have been reported by other military aircraft and civilian airliners elsewhere in the U.S. and abroad, too, including videos shot by airline passengers."

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Faked by the PTB or actual evidence of UFOs? I tend to believe that the pilots saw something not of this world or some sort of inter-dimensional craft.

History Channel is showing a special tonight at 10 - might be worth a look-see.

Deckard  posted on  2019-05-31   11:50:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard, Pinguinite (#1)

It's getting to the stage where you can't see the difference between real and fake.

Yuge problem for obvious reasons.

I think it's been going on for some time now...

That's an interesting theory. Likely longer than we've been privy to.

IF this technique had been perfected by 2016, there's no doubt that the Deep State would have used Deep-Fake CGI transformations to further frame Trump.

On another note, what say you about this:

Pentagon Finally Admits To UFO Investigations

Firstly, let's concede the notion that the Pentagram has long been nothing but a Deep State disinfo/misinfo/propaganda Agency.

The Hill reported since 2015] "dozens of Navy F-18 fighter jets have encountered Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon (UAPs) - once commonly referred to as UFOs - off the East Coast of the United States, some not far from the nation’s capital. Encounters have been reported by other military aircraft and civilian airliners elsewhere in the U.S. and abroad, too, including videos shot by airline passengers."

Faked by the PTB or actual evidence of UFOs? I tend to believe that the pilots saw something not of this world or some sort of inter-dimensional craft.

Regarding "UFO" activity and any concession that they actually exists, like you, IMO such creatures/phenomena *do* indeed exist; And much like you I agree -- they exist as spiritual/demonic entities (which is why they are able to defy the physics of this realm.)

We are witnessing a Last Days clash of the Spiritual with the Physical. (Some might say it makes for "Interesting Times.")

So...many of us are to witness The Big Game/End Game of this World. It's hard NOT to notice that we have been getting groomed (via media/music videos/movies/TV shows/Junk Science) to accept not only "Alien" life, but Other-Worldly "ghosts" and demons with great powers. This is all setting up these "Aliens" (aka demons) to be feared and worshiped. As well as the appearance of Anti-Christ.

Related: I believe The PTB and Elites already are quite aware of these inter-dimensional creatures/entities; They also already know the actual shape of this earth, the secrets of the Antarctica, the inability to access deep space -- as well as our secret/hidden history, "Giants" and "Nephilim" told in Genesis 6.

Further connected: The CERN Project and purpose is all about tearing our way into (or out of) our realm/dimension and further helping allowing those demonic forces access. All of these is obviously almost impossible to wrap or collect head around any of it.

P.S. -- Like most Feral Agys, The Pentagram can't be trusted to tell ANY truth. I simply assume THE OPPOSITE of their claims, or partial truth at best.

Liberator  posted on  2019-05-31   12:38:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Liberator (#2)

It would be expected that UFO research would be kept as secret as possible. Obtaining an alien spacecraft would be a bonanza of technological information which the gov would not want any international pressure to share with other countries.

So all research that could lead to such a find would also be secret. Of course that makes no statement as to whether interstellar aliens have visited us. The gov would keep it a secret before any such determination would be made.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-01   4:14:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Pinguinite (#7)

It would be expected that UFO research would be kept as secret as possible.

Obtaining an alien spacecraft would be a bonanza of technological information which the gov would not want any international pressure to share with other countries.

Well, "Area 51" and "UFO Research" is already the subject of decades of speculation, mystery, and "secrets." (As is so much about certain realms.)

To be honest, I don't know what to make of Area 51 and supposed confiscated "Alien" aircraft, reasearch, AND supposed "Aliens" themselves. What's your belief or speculation on any of this subject?

Obtaining an alien spacecraft would be a bonanza of technological information which the gov would not want any international pressure to share with other countries.

Given the sieve that is the US Gummint and its "officials,", shouldn't we already assume there *are* no secrets that aren't already shared & exchanged with the cabal of international elites? Let's also remember that the US Space program from its infancy was the brainchild and run by non-citizen Americans, aka former Nazis.

Regarding technology -- there have been many ongoing theories afoot (stemming partially from The Book of Enoch) that civilization's discoveries and technologies from the very beginning are the result of forbidden Nephilim/Fallen Angel/demonic knowledge that had/has been illicitly given to man. Pretty fascinating, plausible stuff. Given that much of this tech is weaponry with which to kill and maim, it makes sense.

IMO what's been locked up and hidden away in the bowels of the Vatican would yield the greatest bonanza of treasures: Ancient Knowledge and Truths about mankind's history and world.

Liberator  posted on  2019-06-01   15:08:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Liberator (#9)

To be honest, I don't know what to make of Area 51 and supposed confiscated "Alien" aircraft, reasearch, AND supposed "Aliens" themselves. What's your belief or speculation on any of this subject?

Michael Newton's work makes a handful of references to life existing beyond earth and our solar system, including intelligent life. Given the premise that we are unique because we are souls and our humanity is merely an incidental, temporary part of what we as souls acquire, and nothing particularly special about human DNA, it is reasonable to me that life would exist elsewhere in the cosmos.

Earth, and the human race itself is, in spiritual terms, completely expendable. If and when the human race dies out for whatever reason, we as souls will simply move on to a new planet with a new race of intelligent beings, perhaps in bodies we as humans would consider aliens to continue the same mission of spiritual growth. All of human civilized history will be repeated with a new planet in some new galaxy that happens to have all the ingredients for extensive, abundant life as earth does.

The purpose of the universe we live in is to facilitate growth of the soul. It's not important that it be on earth or that we incarnate into human form. Any intelligent life form can serve that purpose.

So might aliens have cracked the speed of light barrier and made it to earth? I don't know. Maybe. But wouldn't impact my spiritual beliefs if they did.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-01   17:42:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Pinguinite (#11)

Newton is a kook former scientologist. He has no answers Only Delusion hypnotic trances and a path to hell.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-06-02   9:56:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone, Liberator (#12)

Newton is a kook former scientologist. He has no answers Only Delusion hypnotic trances and a path to hell.

I see no compelling reason to believe more the theological musings of people who lived many thousands of years ago over those who live today, who have far more information resources at their disposal.

Being subject to anger and jealousy is a sign of insecurity and weakness, yet we are to believe the all knowing, all wise Almighty God who knows us completely and everything we will ever do is somehow subject to these weaknesses?

The Bible has many good stories and good morals. But it is not the "Word of God". It is easy to dismissively and myopicly choose to believe it is. Far harder to critically examine something that you were taught as a child and beleived your whole life to decide if it passes such critical examination.

Newton has done nothing more than compile information from his first hand observations.

I should add that while Newton does make references to alien life, that is not to say that he necessarily concludes it exists. Any single hypnotic reference is subject to error or misinterpretation. Newton was a scientist and he apparently did see fit to relay a few observations about alien life in his books, but it should not be inferred that he declared himself the equivalent of a prophet giving infallable messages from a divine source. He is a witness to things he had seen and heard, and like any witness, may have some things wrong.

But that alien life could exist elsewhere in the universe does make more sense to me than the notion that the earth is the only planet with life in the entire universe, or that it is only some 6000 years old. I see no reason why the universe cannot be as old as it is big.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-02   12:58:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Pinguinite (#15)

The Bible has many good stories and good morals. But it is not the "Word of God".

From the "Word of God", I can clearly and systematically define God...His Personality, His Characteristics, Who He is, ect.

I checked out Michael Newton. All he offered was 1980's psychobabble. Pablum for the soul.

watchman  posted on  2019-06-03   6:53:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: watchman, Liberator, A K A Stone (#19)

From the "Word of God", I can clearly and systematically define God...His Personality, His Characteristics, Who He is, ect.

Would I take this to mean that divine inspiration for a writing can be determined by how sufficiently it claims to define God?

If I wrote an essay defining God in clear terms, would that be something you'd consider authoritative?

Clearly we need to be more critical than that.

But as I pointed out, the Bible paints God as subject to anger and jealousy. Are not both of these traits signs on weakness when applied to any human? Aren't jealousy and wrath among the "7 deadly sins" under Christianity? How is it that it's okay for God to experience these things but not us humans? Does God hold us humans to a higher standard than God holds himself?

What it sounds like to me is that the authors added these attributes to their perception of God as a means of social control of the masses. A God who never gets angry is a God that can be disregarded with relative safety.

Under the Newton model, a failure to do the right thing is detrimental to the person, not to God. There is no negative reinforcement. At least from God. Doing the wrong thing is detrimental to you, but not God. All we receive is positive reinforcement.

I've yet to meet anyone who has been able to, critically and constructively, point out any structural defect in what I call the Newton model. The most I've seen is name calling.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-03   11:36:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Pinguinite, watchman, A K A Stone (#20)

("From the "Word of God", I can clearly and systematically define God...His Personality, His Characteristics, Who He is, ect.")

Would I take this to mean that divine inspiration for a writing can be determined by how sufficiently it claims to define God?...

If I wrote an essay defining God in clear terms, would that be something you'd consider authoritative?

Clearly we need to be more critical than that.

Not many have been tasked with speaking Truth on behalf of The Almighty. It's never been any kind of contest, lottery or shot in the dark. The Bible warns of deception of many who would try and claim they've spoken for God, this is nothing new. Mormon Joseph Smith is one more major fraud who tried to usurp divine authority.

The prophets and prophecies of The Bible have been scrutinized like no other human literature and messaging. Again, ALL of it is found to be true. Not a single lie or untruth in the entire book. There is also NO vague promises, NO murky unspecific resolutions. The Bible's citations and claims are specific and precise. (As an aside, some people actually are spoken to by the Lord. But one doesn't just simply submit an essay and claim, "HERE IS GOD'S NEXT MESSAGE...")

If you want to subscribe to the necessity of being "critical" about claims of divinity, let's do so.

The Bible has a undefeated record of historically accuracy and detailed prophecies describing The Beginning and End, Realm of Heaven and Hell, real people, places, events, and claims; And importantly, the Purpose for Living, Wisdom, Truth, Justice...AND JUDGEMENT.

It must be noted that the God of the Bible has never pronounced any "fairness" in and for this life. ONLY Judgement and Justice in the NEXT life.

On the other hand is Michael Newton.

As proof of his "divinity" he has simply submitted and documented records of his patients who under hypnosis anecdotally claim they've lived in the past or can recall certain real places. I guess we've just got to trust his word and that of his subjects, right?

I suspect that the vast majority of reincarnational subjects had a pre-existing belief in it or at least were very open to it's possibility. I also suspect that Dr. Newton steered his subjects as the Power of Suggestion will find many takers for reincarnation, provided one actually permits themselves to yield their own free will to a professional like Newton.

As far as I can see, Michael Newton cobbled a theory, a model, a tale of an ambiguous Afterlife spent in spiritual classroom so to speak; And based partially on the principle of academics(??), testing and "learning your lesson," one's soul is thrust back into this Mortal Life...with NO memory of past lives OR the "Between Lives" lesson. Btw Ping, do YOU recall any past-lives lessons presently??

So this process to to be repeated until the NEXT death..and next death ad infinitum or for however long it takes" in the classroom? All the pesky esoteric "Between-Lives" details, "After-Life" details and "Final Graduation" details -- conveniently omitted by Newton.

Regarding these "Between-Life" lessons -- if we assume the process to be true, why is it so critical to "learn" every conceivable moral "lesson" in every conceivable moral situation on this earth that one missed during their OTHER 50 lives? Why would this "Between Lives" dimension not be as "hard" to learn moral lessons as within the Physical Realm? Again, I'd ask if you or anybody you know can recall any past "Between-Lives" lessons...

The belief that it is (accredited by WHOM??) "Counselors" determine the sufficiency of the moral lessons one learns in Between Lives -- where is the proof of that? Is this a matter of blind faith? Or pure deception?

It seems pretty clear upon any critical examination that anecdotes produced under hypnotic trance, vague theories and assumptions, and same ol' reincarnation has more holes in it than Swiss cheese hit with buck-shot.

If we are to be honest and critical, please tell us how Michael Newton of ALL people figured out the Great Mystery of the Universe and got it right? Why should his "divinity" AND "Model" be considered legitimate and himself the recipient of divine truth?

You do understand to main problems with his Model, right? (and there are several obvious ones.)

**Possibilities/probabilities to be considered:

**Corrupted Testimony (subjects freely let their walls down and surrendered their respective will to be possessed by demons)

**False Memory (led on by Michael Newton and/or demonic spirits)

**Michael Newton own nefarious motivation and agenda

**Newton's claim to know THE destination and nature of souls via esoteric means

**Newton and his "Model" claim to usurp the Authority and Knowledge of God; claim there is no Heaven & Hell, no God or Satan, no Final Penalty for sin, no Eternal Reward.

**Newton's own nefarious personal background AND agenda

On the further basis of using critical thinking and logic as a standard for faith in the Newton Model, I could rattle off another 20 reasons it no only merits no consideration for credibility and accountability; it's just a very bad theory or model with which to trust for your Eternity. The biggest mistake one can make, but there are no "do-overs."

Reincarnation. Many have claimed to see it "remember" it in practically everything. Even my brother claims he landed at Iwo Jima. (He ws a big fan of the John Wayne movie.)

I guess this debate is really about Michael Newton's "advanced" twist on Reincarnation vs. Christianity. He believes he has gained secret, esoteric wisdom that HE discovered through several thousand altered state of consciousness of people who not only volunteered to be subjects, but were aware of Newton's "mission." From an observation perspective while watching Newton's speech, tone, and content, the vibe he put out (IMO) was one of a Yoda-sage and technocrat, possessing an unusual sense of certainty and self-esteem but a hollow compassion.

I have a real desire to know the truth. So much so that I'm willing to critically question whether the Bible is the WoG, something I'd venture most Bible believing Christians are afraid to seriously do for fear of offending the Almighty.

I realize you are seeking the truth. But the weight of evidence is extremely lop-sided. The destination of your soul is the single most important decision you make. Please re-consider your position. Michael Newton imo was a thief of souls, possessed and imprisoned by an inner-demon who spoke FOR him during those thousand of sessions.

I would think God would appreciate more an honest skeptic than an insincere "believer". Don't you?

He tells us BOTH will be "spit out." "Lukewarm" Christians will be very disappointed and panicked. Skeptics will merely be shocked and terrified. ALL will realize that it is by their OWN free will and decision from which they are condemned. If we invite the Holy Spirit into our heart, Jesus will enter it and we'll grow in Him. I believe you possess more than a gain of a mustard seed. It is Satan who confuses and is the accuser, the betrayer, the liar. Yes, you're right -- we must pursue Jesus and our Father out of sincere love and desire. And keep on at it. Many believe only because they are broken hearted or desperate -- that is IF one is blessed. Strangely and ironically, to never "need God" is actually a curse in this mortal life.

....Logically, if God had a choice in which model to employ, I think He'd choose the Newton model. In comparing the merits of the two, the Newton model has many attributes that are, I think, objectively superior to Christianity, one of the big ones being that no one burns in hell for all eternity just because no one told them about Jesus.

This isn't only about "Merit" it's about "Truth"; And for what it's worth we are ALL sinners, which technically makes us all unpure, doesn't it? Exactly how have we earned anything, much less "merit" entry into the immaculate, sinless Kingdom of Heaven? We can't wish away or invent an alternative Truth just because the Biblical One seems unfair; Can't run away from The Law, the Truth, The Life, The Way either. Again, God never tells us in scripture, "Life is fair." He does instruct us on how to cope here and prepare for the next life.

As to your concern that the souls of those who have not heard the Name of Jesus are in jeopardy, that's why the Lords states that HE will judge...and also do so according to one's deeds...as well as even in the case of innocent children's deaths. Wouldn't an Omnipotent God *know* any given life's verdict in ALL cases either way??

Liberator  posted on  2019-06-06   16:05:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#69. To: Liberator (#67)

The Bible warns of deception of many who would try and claim they've spoken for God, this is nothing new. Mormon Joseph Smith is one more major fraud who tried to usurp divine authority.

No it is not anything new. But we do see such warnings about misinformation everywhere, even in today's media billed under the term "fake news". Information wars are as old as language itself, I'd say. That similar warnings would appears in the Bible is not really an exception in the sphere of all subjects.

The prophets and prophecies of The Bible have been scrutinized like no other human literature and messaging. Again, ALL of it is found to be true. Not a single lie or untruth in the entire book. There is also NO vague promises, NO murky unspecific resolutions. The Bible's citations and claims are specific and precise. (As an aside, some people actually are spoken to by the Lord. But one doesn't just simply submit an essay and claim, "HERE IS GOD'S NEXT MESSAGE...")

I've already commented on this. I suppose we must simply disagree on just how specific or non specific Biblical prophecies are. And even if they are, it's not necessarily the case that the ability to foretell the future firmly indicates that one's theology is also correct. I'm sure that sounds contradictory to someone with a pro-Bible mindeset, but while we would agree that a self-professed prophet who predicts erroneously would not be speaking on behalf of God, that would not necessarily mean that someone who does prophesize correctly IS speaking for God. According to the Newton model, our future is known in the spirit world too.

It must be noted that the God of the Bible has never pronounced any "fairness" in and for this life. ONLY Judgement and Justice in the NEXT life.

In the Newton model, life is completely fair, including for those born in to very difficult/handicapped circumstances.

As proof of [Newton's] "divinity" he has simply submitted and documented records of his patients who under hypnosis anecdotally claim they've lived in the past or can recall certain real places.

To be clear, Newton has never, to my knowledge, ever made any claim of being divine, nor has he submitted his work to prove anything one way or the other. He has simply reported what he claims to have discovered and nothing more.

I guess we've just got to trust his word and that of his subjects, right?

I find his information, upon study, to provide superior answers to life's mysteries on both theological, moral and scientific grounds, so when you find a source of info that gives consistent, logical answers to most everything, it's not simply a matter of trusting the messenger. I could give a few examples of logical inconsistencies under the Christian model that don't exist under Newton, but perhaps there's little point. (We will not change each other's minds).

I suspect that the vast majority of reincarnational subjects had a pre-existing belief in it or at least were very open to it's possibility.

One of the reasons Newton claims his work has validity is (and he has stated this in interviews) is that of the many thousands of people he has regressed, all gave compatible accounts about past lives and life between lives, and it did not matter what the cultural or religious persuasion of the clients, including atheists. Once under hypnosis, they all responded uniformaly in the existence of past lives and/or between lives.

I've never met Newton but listening to his interviews, he is very objective in his responses, which is what a scientist should be. For example he was asked about the existence of demons and devils. His measured response was not "They don't exist". Rather it was along the lines of "In all the work I have done, I have not had anyone relate to me the existence of demonic beings". While, Liberator, you do believe in them, I point out only that the nature of his response to that question is objective, and the mark of an honest scientist.

He claims to have focused on being objective with his clients, not using power of suggestion or asking leading questions. He claims to have allowed his clients to express themselves as they see fit, only asking them for clarity on what they see and experience under hypnosis. His persona, as I have seen on his interviews, is consistent with that claim.

Newton states he was an atheist, assisting people with ordinary therapy through hypnosis, but was brought, rather unwillingly, to believe in past lives through his work.

Btw Ping, do YOU recall any past-lives lessons presently??

That's an excellent question. I'll ask in return: Do you recall what you dreamed about last night? If you do not, does that mean you did not dream?

Most of us cannot readily recall dreams upon wakening. It's a matter of context.

We know our brains are capable of memory, but according to Newton, the soul is also capable as well, and any past live memories would, naturally, not reside in our brains. To recall past lives, requires accessing soul memories which might otherwise be called "subconscious" memories, which is why hypnosis is requried to access them. But racking one's brain to remember a past life is like looking on your smart phone for last years photos of a beach vacation and, not finding them, creating the impression the beach vacation never happened, when the photos are not on the phone, but on a flash drive. If you look for past life memories in your brain, you won't find them because they are not there.

Our brains are noisy things. Hypnosis is what turns them down and allows the soul/subconcious memories to be accessed. Trying to do so without hypnosis is like trying to talk to someone on the other side of a noisy barroom. First clear out all the other patrons and turn off the music, and only then can you carry on a conversation. Hypnosis is like that.

Upon death, we are separated from our highly distracting human brains and all the distracting sensations and cognitive ability it provides, and then it all comes back to us. This is why, I theorize, young children, such as the case of little James above, can be more capable of accessing these memories than adults. Their brains are not fully developed and therefore less distracting and interfering in accessing soul/subconscious memories. As they get older, these memories do not fade. Rather, they are simply more and more overwhelmed by our human minds to the point of being inaccessible.

Indeed, human life is much like a dream. We think it is real until we wake up, at which point our earthly memories back to childhood return. Death is an awakening as well, upon which we will again recall our whole life in soul form back to when we were, as souls, created.

So this process to to be repeated until the NEXT death..and next death ad infinitum or for however long it takes" in the classroom? All the pesky esoteric "Between-Lives" details, "After-Life" details and "Final Graduation" details -- conveniently omitted by Newton.

No. There is a limit to incarnations. At some point, we reach a level of advancement where further incarnations are no longer meaningfully productive. Lessons and growth continue however, though it seems we remain in the spirit world. As for Newton, I think he's stated that his work only scratches the surface of the big picture. So he doesn't claim to have all the answers. Far from it.

Regarding these "Between-Life" lessons -- if we assume the process to be true, why is it so critical to "learn" every conceivable moral "lesson" in every conceivable moral situation on this earth that one missed during their OTHER 50 lives? Why would this "Between Lives" dimension not be as "hard" to learn moral lessons as within the Physical Realm?

I don't think Newton ever claimed that "every lesson" must be learned by all. What is clear is we are all unique, and the path for each of us is different.

The belief that it is (accredited by WHOM??) "Counselors" determine the sufficiency of the moral lessons one learns in Between Lives -- where is the proof of that? Is this a matter of blind faith? Or pure deception?

I do not know, and have never claimed to know, how such quantifications in progress are made.

If we are to be honest and critical, please tell us how Michael Newton of ALL people figured out the Great Mystery of the Universe and got it right? Why should his "divinity" AND "Model" be considered legitimate and himself the recipient of divine truth?

In a nutshell, his descriptions and theories best fit the data. It explains our phobias. Child prodigies who have exceptional skill in things like piano and golf, the reincarnation claims of little James, above. The theology provides better solutions. Life is fair. Life has a purpose. Dying without hearing any particular theological message has no eternal consequence. God has more patience. Free will is complete. Full accountability exists. It is, quite frankly, on these merits that make this model objectively superior to the model that says we live once and when we die, even if quite young, enter into paradise dependent upon how correct our theological understanding of God is. And that is pretty much the standard for the Christian, Islamic and Jewish faiths.

You do understand to main problems with his Model, right? (and there are several obvious ones.)

**Possibilities/probabilities to be considered:

Under the Newton model, there are few, if any, accidents in life, both literal and figurative. We tend to meet up with the same souls from one lifetime to another. It's all prearranged, as per our soul/subconscious will.

**Corrupted Testimony (subjects freely let their walls down and surrendered their respective will to be possessed by demons)

That's your assertion, however true or untrue.

**False Memory (led on by Michael Newton and/or demonic spirits)

Not consistent with the persona of Michael Newton. I can't speak for the objectivity of demons, however.

**Newton and his "Model" claim to usurp the Authority and Knowledge of God; claim there is no Heaven & Hell, no God or Satan, no Final Penalty for sin, no Eternal Reward.

Some true, some not true.

On the further basis of using critical thinking and logic as a standard for faith in the Newton Model, I could rattle off another 20 reasons it no only merits no consideration for credibility and accountability; it's just a very bad theory or model with which to trust for your Eternity. The biggest mistake one can make, but there are no "do-overs."

We do see things differently. What I see in the Newton model makes far more sense. Though as I've stated a few times, being a true Christian is a fine thing to be.

Reincarnation. Many have claimed to see it "remember" it in practically everything. Even my brother claims he landed at Iwo Jima. (He ws a big fan of the John Wayne movie.)

Of course many claims of reincarnation are either false. The human mind is capable of all sorts of delusion. A case in point is the shape of the earth. It's safe to say that it is either flat or spherical, but cannot be both. At least one of us is wrong, but both of us adamantly believe we are correct. So yes, some claims of reincarnation may be made faithfully, but sitll be incorrect. Also, it should be noted that facts stated by those under hypnosis are not immune to error. Hypnosis is not a state of complete mental shutoff. Some memories may be real but be somewhat in error, such as being off on a graduation date by a couple years. But errors such as those do not mean the memory is completely false. I think Newton has used the term "conscious interferance" to describe when a recalled memory is altered to a degree by the person's more recent experience.

From an observation perspective while watching Newton's speech, tone, and content, the vibe he put out (IMO) was one of a Yoda-sage and technocrat, possessing an unusual sense of certainty and self-esteem but a hollow compassion.

Newton comes off to me as more the scientist, that compared to Brian Weiss, a more well known reincarnation advocate and author from the same profession as Newton, who comes to me as more of a doctor. Certainly, my own leanings in the scientific direction make me partial to accepting Newton's presentation. I admit that freely. If he appears hollow on "compassion", it may be because he is more of a scientist and less of a doctor.

I would think God would appreciate more an honest skeptic than an insincere "believer". Don't you?

He tells us BOTH will be "spit out." "Lukewarm" Christians will be very disappointed and panicked.

An "insincere believer' who is fraudulent is one thing. That one, a liar about being a Christian, would burn forever, is fine, academically speaking.

But what about someone that believes out of fear? They are told they will burn forever if they don't believe the Bible, so they respond out of that fear and claim to believe it. They read it. They study it. If you ask them they say they believe. And yet their motivation isn't true conviction about that is true and not true. It's instead fear.

Would such a person be considered a true believer?

The human mind is a very complex thing, and indeed the complete unit of a person consists of both a human body and soul making it more complex. People do things every day without thinking about them. We feel things and react in ways that we don't fully understand. Some days I'm like, not in a good mood, and I ask myself why, and I have to ponder things for a while before I realize it was because someone said something too me or something happened outside or someone didn't call when they should have. Often, the feelings come first before the conscious mind catches up. So we are complex beings. As I see it the state of "believing" is not a binary thing. The question put to someone such as "Do you believe in God?" is really an unfair question. A part of us believes but a part of us does not. I guess that's one more thing I see erroneous about most faiths. The idea that it's possible to be "all in" or "all out" when it comes to God. It's not that simple Liberator. Not at all.

A far better & fairer question to put to people: "On a scale of 1 to 10, how confident are you that God is real?". That much fairer. When it comes to psychology, everything is on a sliding scale.

Skeptics will merely be shocked and terrified. ALL will realize that it is by their OWN free will and decision from which they are condemned. If we invite the Holy Spirit into our heart, Jesus will enter it and we'll grow in Him. I believe you possess more than a gain of a mustard seed. It is Satan who confuses and is the accuser, the betrayer, the liar. Yes, you're right -- we must pursue Jesus and our Father out of sincere love and desire. And keep on at it. Many believe only because they are broken hearted or desperate -- that is IF one is blessed. Strangely and ironically, to never "need God" is actually a curse in this mortal life.

I appreciate your sincerity here. Thank you.

....Logically, if God had a choice in which model to employ, I think He'd choose the Newton model. In comparing the merits of the two, the Newton model has many attributes that are, I think, objectively superior to Christianity, one of the big ones being that no one burns in hell for all eternity just because no one told them about Jesus.

As to your concern that the souls of those who have not heard the Name of Jesus are in jeopardy, that's why the Lords states that HE will judge...and also do so according to one's deeds...as well as even in the case of innocent children's deaths. Wouldn't an Omnipotent God *know* any given life's verdict in ALL cases either way??

This sentiment I agree with, but is, I content, supportive of the Newton model. God does know our hearts, and each of us is on a unique course.

What does seem logical is that the Christian faith would not exist if it did not include a message of the necessity of redemption prior to death. That is what provides the fuel for the faith to be spread. Without that, the faith would probably have died out within a couple generations. So I can see human psychology at work in enabling religions to propagate over centuries.

If there is a better explanation than reincarnation for this video, I'd like to know what it is. Note her ability to not only play piano, but to read music as well! But maybe it's all fake. Maybe.

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