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Title: **WATCH CLOSELY** at this terrifying "Deep-Fake" CGI Technology; How the line between "reality" and fakery will now obliterate truth
Source: YouTube
URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPhUhypV27w
Published: May 31, 2019
Author: Bill Hader/CGI Tech
Post Date: 2019-05-31 11:22:59 by Liberator
Keywords: "Deep-Fake" Tech, Video-Sorcery, Blured-Reality
Views: 5856
Comments: 86

It's here. "Deep Fake" face transitioning via video-sorcery CGI and technology will now be used to manipulate truth and "reality."

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This advanced video technology now means NO videotaped people or event can now be admitted as "proof" of anything.

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#29. To: Pinguinite, WWG1WWA (#11) (Edited)

Earth, and the human race itself is, in spiritual terms, completely expendable.

Yes, it is. Many scriptural citations all describe with specificity how the end of the world will all go down.

Isaiah 34:4: ("All the stars of heaven will be dissolved. The skies will be rolled up like a scroll, and all their stars will fall like withered leaves on the vine, and foliage on the fig tree.")...

Ezekiel 38:20: ("The fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the beasts of the field, every creature that crawls upon the ground, and all mankind on the face of the earth will tremble at My presence. The mountains will be thrown down, the cliffs will collapse, and every wall will fall to the ground."), Revelation 6:14: ("And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places."

You see -- it's these kinds of prophecies that are repeated by different/multiple divine-inspired sources in the Bible add to the weight of its credibility and truth. How can you explain all the prophecies that have already come true?

Tragically, our Final Destination for ll Eternity will be decided by our own Free Will and personal choice.

If and when the human race dies out for whatever reason, we as souls will simply move on to a new planet with a new race of intelligent beings, perhaps in bodies we as humans would consider aliens to continue the same mission of spiritual growth. All of human civilized history will be repeated with a new planet in some new galaxy that happens to have all the ingredients for extensive, abundant life as earth does.

Sources? Authority, please?

The purpose of the universe we live in is to facilitate growth of the soul. It's not important that it be on earth or that we incarnate into human form. Any intelligent life form can serve that purpose.

Is your precept of the "Purpose of the Universe" a Newtonian philosophy? You amalgam of yours and other beliefs?

So might aliens have cracked the speed of light barrier and made it to earth? I don't know. Maybe. But wouldn't impact my spiritual beliefs if they did.

Perhaps we both agree that ONLY inter-dimensional beings not of this realm can defy this dimension's "natural laws." "Intelligent life" can only be one of two created beings: Angels or Demons. Many believe (as do I) that Demons are and will be masquerading as "Aliens".

Btw, WWG1WWA, that's an interesting account; FWIW, I know other people who swear they have seen UFOs. (They didn't know if others could see the same object at the time.

Of note: I can also attest to instances in my life that have defied "natural law." I have not seen UFOs or "aliens" but on one definite instance for whatever purpose I was whisked through my house while sleeping as though floating through the air. I focused on a red piece of lint in an obscure location. Upon awakening and extremely curious, I hurried to the obscure location; Sure enough, there was the tiny piece of red lint.

Liberator  posted on  2019-06-03   17:12:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: watchman (#22)

Christians believe the Bible to be divinely inspired, and therefore without error, based on a simple premise:

1. God cannot lie.

That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie... Hebrews 6:18a

2. The Bible is God's Word.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God... 2 Timothy 3:16a

3. Therefore, the Bible is true.

Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. John 17:17

With all due respect, this reasoning fails a very basic logic test.

It can be summed up as: The Bible is the Word of God because the Bible says it's the Word of God.

And that's it.

This is circular logic. If I wrote my hypothetical essay and included a sentence that the essay was the "Word of God" would that make it so? If not, why is it so when the Bible makes the same claim about itself?

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-03   18:53:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: watchman (#22)

And yes, if you wrote an essay defining God in clear (and accurate) terms, I'd consider that essay to have authority. Pastors do this every week in the form of a sermon. If it is true, it has authority.

I.e, if you agree with it, it has authority. If you do not agree with it, it does not.

So, who's speaking the truth: Michael Newton or the Bible. And what does Newton believe about God? Better yet, what do you believe about God? I'd really like to know.

Newton will have to speak for himself, but I believe God is far more patient and far more loving than is depicted by Christianity and/or the Bible. To be clear, the Bible does indeed *talk* about God loving the world so much that "he gave his only begotten son", giving us an opportunity to be saved, but apparently not enough to otherwise prevent his children from suffering an eternal fate in a lake of fire even if they simply never heard about Jesus.

It's the standard argument put forward by atheists which you've no doubt heard before, but an argument that does has merit.

I believe if He had a choice in how to write the spiritual laws that govern the fate of all of us that the Bible says he loves more than anything, that he would have written them in a way that works better than that described by at least the more fundamentalist version of it which says that most of us will suffer an eternal fate in a lake of fire for all eternity. Is that the best that God can do?

What Newton describes is a model which works far better than that. Full accountability, full free will, endless patience... it works far better than the model that says anyone who's ever sinned who's not believed in a certain man with a certain name spelled and pronounced a certain way (which is quite likely done incorrectly in English, mind you) has one lifetime, even if it's less than 6 or 8 years, to believe in his divinity or be disposed of in a lake of fire.

How many human parents would disown and see their own child put to death for failing to pass a math test? And we are to believe that God would do the same to us for failing to pass a theology test?

No, I happen to have faith that God is better than that. Far better. It seems to me the only reason the Bible is believed and revered as much as it is is because of it's antiquity. And it should be revered for that, as all things from such ages should. But is it the "Word of God"? or simply an ancient literary work?

I will say though that the Christian model and the Newton model have an enormous amount in common. Namely, in terms of morality, the Golden Rule, loving others, embellishing virtues and quashing vices. All of that is the same between the two models.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-03   19:21:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: watchman (#24)

It's simply this: God has all the emotions that any person would have...yet without any imperfection. God can be angry or jealous and not be wrong in any way. For example, Jesus was angry when He drove the money changers from the temple. Did He sin? Not at all.

To me it's dodging the reality that anger is, in every case, a result of insecurity. For God to be subject to it while at the same time He is portrayed as infinitely wise and knowing of all things past, present and future simply doesn't work.

The God I believe in wants a relationship with a fully functioning human being. That means a person with a full range of healthy emotions. But you know as well as I that emotions can get carried away. Healthy anger can soon turn into unhealthy anger (bitterness, depression, even murder).

In my book, no such thing as "healthy anger".

How about the God you believe in...can you describe your God in any way as clearly as I can? For example, is your God a Person with the attributes (emotions, intellect) of a Person?

I'm not sure I can. I would say that our human minds are products of this earth and universe, and as such are designed to work with this earth and universe. The spirit world is a completely different universe governed by completely different laws of physics and such, so our human minds cannot readily comprehend it, even though we as souls can.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-03   19:32:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Liberator (#27)

Brutha, brutha...REALLY?? "Nothing particularly special about human DNA"??

Human DNA is the single most miraculous and OBVIOUS evidence of an Almighty Creator God.

Even though the human creature is in no small way a miracle of life, I disagree. It's the soul that takes that award. What makes us special is NOT our humanity. We are children of God because we are -- as souls -- born of God. As remarkable and miraculous the human body is, it's *nothing* compared to the soul.

This is where Christianity -- your version of it, at least -- can't work with the theory of evolution. Under your version of Christianity, our humanity is what makes us "children of God" so evolution blurs the distinction between man and apes, and apes and other mammels, and other mammels and insects and so on. Evolution doesn't work because there is ultimately no distinction between humans and bacteria. Under the Newton model however, it doesn't matter whether evolution is true or not because our human DNA has nothing -- nada, zero, zip, zilch -- to do with us as souls.

Under Christianity, human DNA is spiritually special and significant because it defines our spiritual identity. Under the Newton model, it is not because we are dual, hybrid entities, a combination of a human body and a "possessing" soul which existed long before human body was created.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-03   19:48:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Pinguinite, watchman (#30)

With all due respect, this reasoning fails a very basic logic test.

It can be summed up as: The Bible is the Word of God because the Bible says it's the Word of God.

And that's it...

If I wrote my hypothetical essay and included a sentence that the essay was the "Word of God" would that make it so? If not, why is it so when the Bible makes the same claim about itself?

So one of your question is basically, "What considerations make one a "Prophet of God?" This is a fair, reasonable and valid challenge.

You're also claiming citation of the Bible as the "Word of God" fails at "Logic"; Well, let's agree on the definition of "logic"...

Can we agree that "logic" is the principle or demonstration of reason and knowledge? A series of provable facts?

If we can agree on the above definition...

Perhaps this brief 4 minute that addresses your skepticism:

If Dr. Michael Newton is to be considered a "prophet" of sorts of his namesake "Model", could he and his stand-alone "testimony" of the Newton Model meet the same standard and scrutiny asked of a Bible that testifies and answers to being THE "Word of God"?

Q: What are the odds?:

Biblical prophecies are proven true. Not just some, but ALL in predicting events in advance of hundreds or even thousands of years. What are the odds that several prophets in the Bible have foretold the same exact events? Without a single prophecies proven false or a lie? Remember: "Logic" is the principle or demonstration of reason and knowledge; A series of provable facts.

There comes a points where one must ask: How does one dismiss or discredit phenomena that's demonstrated to be true without accepting the logic of divine inspiration and knowledge?

By any honest standard of criteria of "logic," The Bible can only be the divinely-inspired Word of God.

5 Prophecies that Prove the Bible = Proof for God:

Liberator  posted on  2019-06-03   20:13:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Pinguinite (#33)

Your response and the tangent is good stuff. There's a bunch to clarify. Quite a bit to gnaw on...

I'll respond tomorrow. We'll get into Dr. Michael Newton deeper as well.

Liberator  posted on  2019-06-03   20:18:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Liberator (#25)

Yes, "meaningful" in that we at least shared and exchanged some reasonable thoughts, purpose, and Newtonian philosophy, and in how it has established a pseudo-resolution of the soul's "End Game." Yet, I think we both agreed quite a bit of meat was left on that bone of reasonable discussion from both our perspective.

Actually, while we do have common ground, I'd disagree that there's lots more to discuss only because we seem at an impasse. I don't think either of us is capable of enlightening the other.

A Brief Review of Overview of respective faiths:

As a matter of commonality, we both believe *this* mortal life or "Act" (in the context of a Play) is not the Final Chapter of our soul.

Agreed.

We both believe in a "Test" of sorts in this life -- But you adhere to a Newton Model that believes it is an ongoing process in the form of a Reincarnation.

I believe as is the Christian Model -- but that we are "tested" but Once. And then the Final Verdict. (Hebrews 9:27)

Agreed.

The Newton Model believes in a non-judgmental "Judgment" in temporary realm between worlds.

Within that realm are High "Counselors," Teachers or Coaches who (correct me if I'm wrong), more or less remind the discarnate spirit of their moral failings and advocate "corrections" in the next life.

Close enough, yes.

(Q: At which point the "corrections" meet the acceptable standard of the "Board of Counselors" is not known. Moreover, there is NO ULTIMATE AUTHORITY/GOD.)

Everyone, being unique, is treated and considered in a unique context.

The Christian Model believes in just two primary realms: Heaven and Hell; Hades may be considered a temporary third realm that is neither Heaven nor Hell. It is accepted that ALL men will fail at any moral perfection as per the standard of THE ULTIMATE AUTHORITY/GOD.)

The Newton Model claims every person possesses his own innate personal power/authority to redeem and rectify himself/herself of past moral wrong-doings (sin) via repeated life "positive reinforcement" and counseling between lives. UNKNOWN: THE Authority and Author of Definition of "Positive" and "Negative."

The concept of "sin" as a blemishing agent upon the soul capable of dooming it for all eternity does not exist in the Newton model. "Sin" does exist in the form of failings, but the term as defined in a Christian sense does not apply in the Newton model.

Btw, regarding "negative reinforcement" -- the context of this is Cautionary Instruction, is it not? The Newton Model may claim to give *only* "Positive Reinforcement" but in its faith, there IS no repercussion, no consequence, no personal responsibility, and most of all -- no Judgement OR Justice for one's own actions, no matter how egregious.

Your summation is quite wrong. There is plenty of repercussion, consequence and responsibility in the Newton model. It's not simply a case of receiving a verbal instruction about what was done that was wrong. Experiencing it is the real teacher via karmaic "payback" if you will. But such consequence is not for the purposes of punishment, but rather enlightenment.

Would strong, stern instruction upon a child NOT to touch fire be considered "negative reinforcement"? What if he were to suddenly pick up a snake?; Run & Play in the street? Swallow pills like candy?

This comparison is weak because the human body is mortal, while the soul is immortal. In human terms, the consequence of death due to such mistakes is permanent and irrevocable. But in spiritual terms, dying in one life is, while a significant event, not the end of the world.

Regarding "Positive Reinforcement," we see this thread of love, of sacrifice, of brotherhood, of chastisement and Grace all through Scripture.

Christianity has that, which is good. As I said, Christianity has much in common with the Newton model.

The Newtonian Model faith cites the research of thousands of people who volunteered to be put under hypnosis/different state of consciousness by one Dr. Michael Newton. Newton concluded that during his probing and exploration of his volunteers, he uncovered and documented Past Lives experiences as a basis of a version "Afterlife." Thus it can be said that the source of the 'Newton Model' THE "Ultimate Authority" (given none is provided) is indeed the "inspired word of Dr. Michael Newton." (Unless I am wrong.)

First, the belief in reincarnation and multiple lives is not unique to Newton. It's been around for thousands of years and in fact, pre-dates Christianity itself in eastern faiths. It seems there's even a reference to it made by Paul in the Bible when he cites that it is appointed for man once to die and then to be judged. Perhaps this was a reference to a suggestion in that day that reincarnation was real?

In the present day, there are many well beyond Newton who espouse reincarnation. Newton is not unique. More well known than Newton is a Dr. Brian Weiss, who is of the same profession. He has come to the same conclusion about reincarnation in much the same way as Newton did, through clients that recalled past lives. And yet these 2 never reference each others works so far as I have seen. Reading their books, it's neigh impossible to find a contradiction between their findings.

Finally, your statement is in error about Newton compiling a a version of the afterlife/between life based on what clients have told him about their past lives. Rather, Newton claims to have regressed clients to the between life state itself, relating things that have happened to them in the spirit world itself. That is (or was) his specialty. Of coures he has also regressed clients to past lives, but it's the events that occur in the between life state that place the past and current live experiences, and the people in our lives, in context.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-04   3:28:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Liberator (#26)

I appreciate the exchange but we must be clear; My belief in Flat Earth is merely an ancillary part of this created natural World.

My impression is that part of your flat earth doctrine is based on the description of creation in the Bible. Is that not the case?

I did start to watch the 90 minute vid you posted which you said well argued for flat earth. I regret I don't have the patience to sit through the whole thing. I criticize it for spending time scrutinizing interviews of NASA astronauts and such, as comments can be taken out of context, which I believe is what he does. I did skim through it, but I guess I'm overall critical that he makes a statement of biblical faith early on which seems to taint his ability to be truly objective on the subject.

Others have already addressed this conundrum online, believe it or not.

I can believe it. I realize my experiment would not prove global earth as flat earth advocates could always explain it away, but it would be evidence in support of global earth. I'll try to do that this summer as dryer weather permits. I find it an interesting experiment by itself.

I've thought of you many times as I've come across lunar hemispheric positioning and stuff like this, but then I've already posted hours of material that chances are/were won't be read or examined.

Correct. For such a topic I consider well beyond debate, debating it is quite wearisome. But it does illustrate one thing, regardless of which of us is right: The capability of the human mind to believe things that are not true is absolutely enormous. And it's why I find it incomprehensible that God would judge us based on our academic beliefs. That is a plus for the Newton model, which does not regard our academic beliefs as having direct spiritual significance. That is not true for Christianity, Judaism or Islam.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-04   3:42:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Liberator (#28)

Main Reason: The PTB and Religion of Science have programmed us via their anti-Bible, pro-Evolution, fake-Globe Earth agenda to discredit Genesis while make man "inconsequential, un-special, un-unique, and specks in their made-up "infinite universe."

Arguably, throughout history, the PTB's have used even religion to control the masses. Under ancient Judaism, the people were taught they must fear God, or at least the PTB's version of him, because he may get angry, and you don't want that.

Egyptians did no different. Don't know much about the polytheistic faiths of the Greeks and Romans. But certainly it's much harder to control a people who believe in reincarnation than it is a people believing in one life, one judgment.

Today the PTB's may well use instead use something else, but the objective is the same. Tell the masses what they need to believe for the purpose of control.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-04   3:48:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Liberator (#29)

but on one definite instance for whatever purpose I was whisked through my house while sleeping as though floating through the air. I focused on a red piece of lint in an obscure location. Upon awakening and extremely curious, I hurried to the obscure location; Sure enough, there was the tiny piece of red lint.

I'll try to refrain from replying to points and questions I consider non-significant (feel free to do the same) but I will respond to the suggestion of the Bible's perceived remarkable consistency and fulfilled prophecy.

But as to this experience you relate, I will say that what you describe is certainly what others would call an "out of body experience", and it is consistent with the Newton model. Essentially, we as souls are generally anchored to the human body, but it is possible for the soul to let go and travel independently while retaining, at minimum, the sense of sight. It's not a common experience but some claim to be able to do this on an routine basis. I theorize we as souls genenally cling to the human body we inhabit much as a man floating in the ocean clings to his life preserver. We are afraid to let go.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-04   3:57:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Pinguinite (#30)

The Bible is the Word of God because the Bible says it's the Word of God.

A more careful reading of the premise is that GOD says the that Word of God is true. God, Who cannot lie.

watchman  posted on  2019-06-04   6:32:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Pinguinite (#15)

I see no compelling reason to believe more the theological musings of people who lived many thousands of years ago over those who live today, who have far more information resources at their disposal.

Hmm. The people who were there and witnessed stuff ad wrote about it in a book. Vs a scientologist kook with itching ears who puts people in trances and suggests stuff to them.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-06-04   6:53:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Pinguinite (#32)

In my book, no such thing as "healthy anger".

How about the God you believe in...can you describe your God in any way as clearly as I can? For example, is your God a Person with the attributes (emotions, intellect) of a Person?

I'm not sure I can. I would say that our human minds are products of this earth and universe, and as such are designed to work with this earth and universe. The spirit world is a completely different universe governed by completely different laws of physics and such, so our human minds cannot readily comprehend it, even though we as souls can.

Were you not a little bit angry when the innocent woman was offered a plea deal that was actually a lose/lose situation for her?

And yet, the greater, eternal tragedy is with you! You have a belief system that refers to God, but you have no real knowledge of God. Part of God's requirements for being God is that God would be knowable to His Creation. God is knowable. He has made Himself known.

Isn't it that you have no real desire to know God?

And you are not alone. It is the age old rebellion against God that began with Lucifer and extends all the way to you and Michael Newton. Trying to save yourself apart from God. Self improvement. Multiple journeys through this world until you finally get it right (ugh, what a drag, one trip through this empty world is all I want).

watchman  posted on  2019-06-04   7:12:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: watchman (#42) (Edited)

I concur entirely with your position and perspective. Well articulated.

Multiple journeys through this world until you finally get it right (ugh, what a drag, one trip through this empty world is all I want).

That made me laugh AND nod.

Can you imagine the pre-Flood days when mankind's genetics meant a lifespan of 700+ years? (Blowing out 500 candles on the cake: "Happy Birthday, great-great-great Grandfather -- May you see another 300 years!")

Liberator  posted on  2019-06-04   15:35:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Pinguinite, ALL (#11)

For those who may not be familiar with Dr. Michael Newton, we've got to re-establish who he is (or was; he's now deceased), his background, credentials, and how he'd arrived at his Model.

Home Llewellyn Authors

Michael Newton, Ph.D., holds a doctorate in Counseling Psychology, is a certified Master Hypnotherapist, and is a member of the American Counseling Association. He has also been on the faculty of higher educational institutions as a teacher while active in private practice in Los Angeles. Over many years, Dr. Newton developed his own intensive age regression techniques in order to effectively take hypnosis subjects beyond their past life memories to a more meaningful soul experience between lives. He is considered to be a pioneer in uncovering the mysteries about life after death through the use of spiritual hypnotic regression. He now trains other advanced hypnotherapists in his techniques.

Dr. Newton is the author of three best-selling books, Journey of Souls: Case Studies of Life Between Lives (Llewellyn, 1994) , Destiny of Souls: New Case Studies of Life Between Lives (Llewellyn, May 2000), and Life Between Lives: Hypnotherapy for Spiritual Regression (Llewellyn, 2004).  Dr. Newton has an international reputation as a spiritual regressionist who has mapped out much of our life between lives experience. He has appeared on numerous national radio and TV talk shows to explain our immortal life in the spirit world.

For information about Life between lives Hypnotherapy (LBL) and how to arrange an LBL session please contact The Newton Institute for Life Between Lives Hypnotherapy at http://www.newtoninstitute.org

Liberator  posted on  2019-06-04   15:42:26 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Pinguinite, A K A Stone, watchman, all (#44)

Above is a brief video summary by Michael Newton in his own words at his website, as well as of those who share his belief and "Newton Model".

Though I don't find any validity, credibility or plausibility in the "Newton Model" of an Afterlife, I believe it's important to try and understand the genesis, philosophy, and doctrine of the "Newton Model," in that it represents a different faith and belief in life beyond this Mortal Coil which some obviously prefer or believe instead of the doctrine of Christianity.

It beckons many questions. Like...

1) "How and why do some believe this 'Model' represents the "true destination" of the Human Soul?
2) "By what Authority and Testimony is its 'Truth' tested?"
3) "If there is no such thing as 'Evil' or 'Sin' then how does 'Good' or 'Holy' exist?
4) "How is Redemption, Forgiveness, or Grace possible if there is immunity or impunity from breaking moral laws, and no Authority to whom one is accountable?" Doesn't this Newtonian tenet give license to the Occultist/Aleister Crowley assertion, 'Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.'"?
5) "Logically, shouldn't the result of one's own 'Free Will' dictate the terms of Eternal Justice?
6) "Who or what Entity(s) or Authority(s) have created the Newton Model or any karmic doctrine of 'Justice'?

WHY...

"Is the 'Newton Model' attractive to some in that its 'Karmic Justice' provides 'Do-Over after 'Do-Over' for all Eternity with no righteous 'Final Verdict', 'Final Reward', 'Final Penalty', and 'Final Justice'?"

IMPORTANTLY: "Has the possibility of demonic hijacking of consciousness and will, and deception and embedded False Memory by and of both hypnotized subjects as well as Hypnotists been considered?"

Below is some insight into the leadership and philosophy from Michael Newton. It gives the impression that this is as much an academic endeavor as spiritual guidance to an anticipated journey. Given the academic facet, there may also seems to be degrees or requirements of requisite "training" to qualify. Am I wrong?

Important News from Michael

A MESSAGE TO PRACTITIONERS USING THE TERMS
“LIFE BETWEEN LIVES,” “LBL,” OR SOME SIMILAR DERIVATION

MICHAEL NEWTON’S LEGACY

As related in the introduction to Dr. Michael Newton’s first book, Journey of Souls, written in 1994 about Life Between Lives, or LBL, the development work was laborious and consumed more than a decade. On this he said: “The research was painfully slow, but as the body of my cases grew I finally had a working model of the eternal world where our souls live.“ After another decade of continuing work and careful research, Dr. Newton published another book, Destiny of Souls, in which he expanded on topics introduced in his first book. In the early 2000’s he published another book, Life Between Lives, describing his methodology for taking a client into the spirit world for spiritual guidance and illumination. Following this, in an effort to advance the study and practice of his life’s work, in 2002, Dr. Newton founded the Society for Spiritual Regression, which evolved into The Newton Institute (TNI) in 2005. The purpose of providing this information about the work and evolving knowledge base about LBL is to illustrate that it came into being only after years and years of practice and painstaking, careful research. The training methodology for LBL and requisite days of hands-on learning was developed with the same attention to detail and requisite effort. Finally, under TNI there is a rigorous certification process that all candidates must successfully complete to become full members of TNI and make a commitment to a spiritual code of ethical behavior. In an effort to be able to protect the value of this extensive work and the very considerable time and effort expended by its members to obtain membership, TNI has obtained copyrights and trademarks in numerous countries for “Life Between Lives,” and/or “LBL”, or derivations thereon. Unless there is a concerted effort by all practitioners, TNI and non-TNI alike, to protect the value of these terms and associated training, over time there will be an averaging down of quality and a diminution of all practitioners’ work in the field. It is with this interest in protecting the value and the integrity of these terms, as well as the value and integrity of TNI’s training and credentialing processes, that Dr. Newton has felt the need to issue the following message.

MICHAEL NEWTON’S STATEMENT TO THE WORLD

Dr. Newton is now retired from active practice but continues to work closely with TNI in an advisory capacity.  Prior to his retirement he developed a team of TNI-certified LBL therapists to offer TNI-endorsed trainings, and with the intention of upholding the high standards set by him, this growing teaching team is dedicated to furthering Dr. Newton’s life’s work around the world.  On this very important issue of training and certification, he says:

“I am delighted to support the work of all currently-certified members of the Michael Newton Institute for Life Between Lives Hypnotherapy who follow The Newton Institute’s true methodology and who are bound by our organization’s Code of Ethics.  There are others, however, who promote themselves as ‘LBL practitioners’ and ‘LBL teachers,’ yet are not members of TNI and have not trained with our organization, even though they claim affiliation with me and my life’s work of exploring the spiritual realm. Still others have had such training and membership in the past, but are no longer current members with up-to-date knowledge of TNI, its goals and the latest developments in our methodology.  Some left our organization so quickly after their initial LBL training that they did not receive the monitored exposure and feedback from our regular members.  Some offer ‘LBL training’ but have not, themselves, followed the training and preparation required by our organization to teach LBL.  I can endorse only training programs run by the TNI training team and its approved Alliance Training affiliates.  People have a right to choose their own paths in life, but too many of those who have left our LBL organization still use my name for their own personal gain and claim an inaccurate and misleading association with the methodology that grew out of my research.  I am concerned about public perceptions.  Unless they remain in the TNI membership, how can I vouch for their skill levels or even know if they are following our Code of Ethics in their conduct?  Because of these issues, they have neither my endorsement nor my support. The TNI team works hard to evolve and develop LBL methodology, but focuses on maintaining the core principles of my original research.”

For those readers of this message who may not be aware of TNI’s website, an easy-to-search list of currently-certified TNI LBL practitioners is available at www.newtoninstitute.org under the ‘Locate a Therapist’ pages.  Visitors to the site can search by region, by language, by country or by therapist name.

A PATH OFFERED BY TNI FOR NON-TNI PRACTIONERS

It is the desire of TNI and Dr. Newton to open our collective community more widely to allow all non-TNI practitioners currently using the terms “Life Between Lives,” “LBL,” or derivations of these terms, the opportunity to obtain the training and credentialing with TNI to acquire TNI membership, and, accordingly, the right to use such terms and claim such association and sanctions. This means that TNI will make every effort to provide for trainings necessary for all interested people to achieve TNI membership. All members of TNI see this as a wonderful opportunity to share the benefits of Dr. Newton’s life-long efforts and the continuing work of the many dedicated members of TNI with those who are willing to do the work necessary to become members. Understandably, each person will have achieved different training and skill sets, and TNI will work with each individual to establish the extent of this training and experience toward meeting TNI’s membership requirements. Then, TNI will assess needs by world region to determine locations of future trainings. It is the hope of all members of TNI that through this effort all of us offering LBL, in the sense described above, will pull together in a unified effort to provide the highest quality of services to humankind in their search for spiritual meaning. https://www.newtoninstitute.org/

Liberator  posted on  2019-06-04   16:49:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Liberator (#34)

The premise that the Bible is exceptional on the basis that it contains works if several dozens of authors over 1500 years that all agree on a common theology sounds impressive on its face, but is actually based on an argument I consider flawed.

It's one thing to ask 40 random writers to all write a story that involves a deity and have all the works be compatible in theology. But in the case of the Bible, that's not exactly how it came down.

It was more like this, I suspect: You rent out a hotel with 40 rooms, and put an author in each. You go to room #1, and ask the author to write a story of creation. He does it, and you can critique and edit it. Then you go to room #2, and give him a copy of the story and ask for a sequel. But since he first read the creation story, it's no surprise that his sequel is compatible with it.

Repeating the process, with every author already informed about what all authors before him composed, every work is pretty much compatible. And at the end of the process when all 40 authors have contributed their works, you get to sit down with a committee of scholars to read & study them all and have a vote on which one's to keep and which to throw away, which is what happened back in the middle ages when the books of the Apocrypha were thrown out (though retained in the Catholic Bible).

Given the process, and the likelihood of each author being not just informed about the older stories and writings but full blown religious believers in them, in addition to the final "editing" that took place, it's not particularly surprising that all the books in the Bible would agree.

This argument does not say the Bible cannot be the "Word of God", of course. It only argues that the agreement of all authors in the Bible could easily be explained without any divine intervention.

As for prophecies, it's much the same case. Tell an author about older prophecies, and a creative writer could see to it that they are fulfilled in his writings. What's really required is a double blind test where a prophet says something, while a new author writes his story without knowing what the prophecy is, and having his writings validate the prophecy, and do so in clear, unambiguous terms. We simply do not know what advanced information these later writers may have had when they composed their works, but given the volume of prophecies, there's little question many later writers would have been aware of at least many in advance. The volume of prophecies, particularly ones that were perhaps more obtuse, would also make it easier to mix and match later writings with one of the many bucket full of prophecies made in the past. I.e. make enough prophecies and some of them are bound to find some fulfillment somewhere in the works of later authors.

Sorry to rain on the parade, but that is my counter argument to the Bible being special for both theologically compatible and prophetic reasons.

As for the validation of the Bible through archeological findings, that's neither here nor there in terms of divine inspiration. To their credit, it appears the ancient Israelites were methodical record keepers. But of course keeping accurate records does not normally require divine intervention, unless perhaps you work for the FBI and are in charge of Hillary's emails or employee SMS messages!

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-04   22:03:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Liberator (#34)

Re: the second video, I am familiar with what happened with Tyre, and will concede that the construction of the causeway was a pretty good prophecy fulfilliment. However, predicting the fall of any city in ancient times was certainly a safe prediction to make, given the constant rise and fall of empires, particularly when no time frame is provided.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-04   22:27:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: watchman (#40)

A more careful reading of the premise is that GOD says the that Word of God is true. God, Who cannot lie.

Where does God state that the Bible is the "Word of God"? I understand the Bible talks about the "Word of God" but where does God declare the Bible is his official "Word"? Too often people start with the assumption that the Bible is the "Word of God" and then proceed to "prove" it by citing Bible verses. This is the circular logic I've already described. A document cannot certify itself.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-05   11:36:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: A K A Stone (#41)

Hmm. The people who were there and witnessed stuff ad wrote about it in a book. Vs a scientologist kook with itching ears who puts people in trances and suggests stuff to them.

You don't believe things you hear in the news today, yet you do believe news written by people thousands of years ago that you have never met, seen, or heard. You know nothing of their personality, motivations or anything about them, yet when they say they've spoken with God, you accept it as true.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-05   11:40:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: watchman (#42)

Were you not a little bit angry when the innocent woman was offered a plea deal that was actually a lose/lose situation for her?

I don't know how I would describe the effect it had on me, but even if I felt anger, that wouldn't make it a virtue. Do I claim to be the ultimate standard on how people should react? No.

And yet, the greater, eternal tragedy is with you! You have a belief system that refers to God, but you have no real knowledge of God. Part of God's requirements for being God is that God would be knowable to His Creation. God is knowable. He has made Himself known.

Isn't it that you have no real desire to know God?

You are judging me, which you are free to do but I do not think is proper.

I have a real desire to know the truth. So much so that I'm willing to critically question whether the Bible is the WoG, something I'd venture most Bible believing Christians are afraid to seriously do for fear of offending the Almighty.

I would think God would appreciate more an honest skeptic than an insincere "believer". Don't you?

And you are not alone. It is the age old rebellion against God that began with Lucifer and extends all the way to you and Michael Newton. Trying to save yourself apart from God. Self improvement.

So I, and Newton, are in rebellion. Thanks for the update.

Multiple journeys through this world until you finally get it right

It's not about "getting it right". It's about growing. Don't most parents want their children to grow up to be like them, or in the case of humans, better than them? Would not God want us to grow as well?

(ugh, what a drag, one trip through this empty world is all I want).

Would that be because you are lazy?

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-05   11:50:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Liberator (#45)

It beckons many questions. Like...

1) "How and why do some believe this 'Model' represents the "true destination" of the Human Soul?

For me, it makes more sense than the Christian model does which sees the substantial or vast majority of souls perishing for all eternity. Christians accept this is just the way it is, while at the same time claiming God is eternally patient, loving and wise. To me, that is an inherent contradiction.

2) "By what Authority and Testimony is its 'Truth' tested?"

I think I have validation in my own life in personal ways, in dealing with my own fears and challenges.

3) "If there is no such thing as 'Evil' or 'Sin' then how does 'Good' or 'Holy' exist?

There certainly is evil. The counterpart of "evil" would be our own failings, shortcomings and weaknesses.

4) "How is Redemption, Forgiveness, or Grace possible if there is immunity or impunity from breaking moral laws, and no Authority to whom one is accountable?" Doesn't this Newtonian tenet give license to the Occultist/Aleister Crowley assertion, 'Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.'"?

You assume than any spiritual model must include redemption in the Christian sense. But maybe that assumption is not true?

5) "Logically, shouldn't the result of one's own 'Free Will' dictate the terms of Eternal Justice?

Who says it does not?

6) "Who or what Entity(s) or Authority(s) have created the Newton Model or any karmic doctrine of 'Justice'?

Who has created the Christian model? God? Did God have a choice in how to create this model or was this model imposed upon Him by another Greater Entity or by laws that even He, Himself, can not override?

Logically, if God had a choice in which model to employ, I think He'd choose the Newton model. In comparing the merits of the two, the Newton model has many attributes that are, I think, objectively superior to Christianity, one of the big ones being that no one burns in hell for all eternity just because no one told them about Jesus.

Wouldn't you consider than an advantage?

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-05   12:06:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Pinguinite (#50)

Would that be because you are lazy?

Now this comment right here made my day!

I'm covered with cow manure and getting ready for more this evening. I get done being lazy around 9pm and if there's anything left of me I will reply to your excellent comments. (All preachers are lazy, just ask the deacons!)

watchman  posted on  2019-06-05   16:37:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: watchman (#52)

Now this comment right here made my day!

hahahaha.... I do think I get the zinger award for the day!

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-05   17:41:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Pinguinite (#48) (Edited)

Where does God state that the Bible is the "Word of God"? I understand the Bible talks about the "Word of God" but where does God declare the Bible is his official "Word"? Too often people start with the assumption that the Bible is the "Word of God" and then proceed to "prove" it by citing Bible verses. This is the circular logic I've already described. A document cannot certify itself.

I'll also need to recite some verses...

To answer your question, God doesn't just declare that the Bible is His official Word. He declares that He Himself is the Bible (that is, the Word written down).

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

And here stating that Christ is the Word (thereby indicating that God and Christ are the same)...

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:14

(There's no circular logic here. It's just a decision you have to make. Do you believe what God is saying?)

watchman  posted on  2019-06-05   23:18:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: watchman (#54)

To answer your question, God doesn't just declare that the Bible is His official Word. He declares that He Himself is the Bible (that is, the Word written down).

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

But here you are doing exactly what I complained about. Citing Bible verses which state the Bible is the "Word of God" "prove" the Bible is the Word of God.

It IS circular logic. I'm not sure how to spell this out more plainly.

And secondly, if I'm not mistaken, the Bible was first compiled some 600 years ago, give or take. Prior to that time, were not all the various books of the Bible independent writings? Prior to the invention of the printing press, it pretty much certain that no standard collection of books existed which could be called a "Bible", as everything was hand written. With the invention of the printing press, it was for the first time possible to create uniform printings of books, and that is when it was possible for a standard Bible to be created.

The main point I'm making with this is that when every word that is in the Bible today was written, from Genesis to Revelation, the Bible, as we know it today, did not exist. So when such ancient docs talk about "Word", they could not have been referring to the Bible as we know it today. In that day, it's unlikely anyone ever imagined a machine called a printing press could even exist. Back then, the internet consisted of gossip and rumor, and I suppose anything written down, given it required advanced education to read and write, would probably be considered as authoritative of truth as was possible to obtain. I.e. if an educated scribe who could read and write wrote something down on paper, well it must be true! I could easily see that being the social mentality in the day.

I'm sorry to say that I consider the vantage point you've put forth to be simplistic and naive.

At the same time, I do not consider the Bible to be a useless book. I think it has a place and is deserving of respect due to it's antiquity. But I do believe the reverence it's given is due NOT to it being divinely inspired, but rather because of that antiquity. It makes a great deal of sense to me that the Bible could have obtained the status it has today without any divine inspiration.

I'm a software developer. My brain deals with logic and analysis. I'm basically a scientist. And that is where I'm coming from in evaluating claims about the Bible, as well as the Newton model. What Newton claimed to have discovered makes more logical sense than the standard Christian model, and I'll add that he has come up with things I never would have suspected but which, in totality, makes a great deal of sense.

What is the Christian response to parents that have tragically lost a young child? God needed another angel? "No one knows the mind and wisdom of God". God has a purpose in all things?

None of those response are, I think, very satisfactory. But the under the Newton model, such tragedies can serve a real, pragmatic purpose of growth on the part of the parents, which goes something like this: "Your child has died. What are you going to choose to do now? Will you spend the rest of your life in bitterness, dispair, self-pity and blame of others, or will you continue to love and care for all those around you, celebrating the joy those others experience? In a word, will you still strive to use this experience to GROW? To become stronger as a soul? Because that is the test you came to endure and in fact you chose to endure before you were even born.

Under the Newton model, tragedy has a purpose. Under Christianity, not so much. Tragedy just serves an obtuse purpose of "glorifying God" in some undefined way. Though if it's for that, what better way for tragedy to glorify God than to see the parents resolve to continue to live life in as positive way for others as is possible, just as the Newton model says they should? Not that they should live without pain. That pain is okay. But will it control you or will you strive to be larger than that pain?

Under Newton, life has that purpose of soulful growth. Under Christianity, it's a one-shot deal to get to be one of the lucky ones that get eternal life that has the upbringing or DNA generated brain for which believing in Jesus is possible, and that assuming that one gets to live long enough to make sense of the Christian message.

No, I don't see God being so petty as to grant us entry to heaven based on the results of a theology exam, which I see as what it comes down to. God is better than that. Much better.

That's how I see it.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-06   1:16:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Liberator (#45)

I've posted this account before. I consider it the most compelling account of reincarnation that I know of.

The family has never recanted:

And in spite of the length of time that has gone by, searching on this boy's name with "scam" or "fraud" hasn't turned up much aside from skepticism. It seems no one has come forward claiming to have knowledge of any fraudulent staging. It seems the only real Christian explanation for this is demons which conveniently cannot be disproven.

But this account is completely consistent with what Newton has reported in his books. If corroboration of the many Biblical authors is cited as evidence of divine inspiration, would corroboration between Newton and other sources also be evidence in support of Newton's work?

To each his own, I suppose. Unlike with the Christian message, under the Newton model, it's not important that people believe a certain way. But I do feel it provides helpful insights that assist in life's struggles.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-06   1:58:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Pinguinite (#56)

Unlike with the Christian message, under the Newton model, it's not important that people believe a certain way.

What if he is wrong and you had no faith? Ruh Roh.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-06-06   6:45:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Pinguinite (#55)

God is better than that. Much better.

Ping, you don't know God at all. Zero. Nothing.

watchman  posted on  2019-06-06   6:50:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Pinguinite (#55)

satisfactory. But the under the Newton model, such tragedies can serve a real, pragmatic purpose of growth on the part of the parents, which goes something like this: "Your child has died. What are you going to choose to do now? Will you spend the rest of your life in bitterness, dispair, self-pity and blame of others, or will you continue to love and care for all those around you, celebrating the joy those others experience? In a word, will you still strive to use this experience to GROW? To become stronger as a soul? Because that is the test you came to endure and in fact you chose to endure before you were even born.

Under the Newton model, tragedy has a purpos

What is the purpose of tragedy according to the hypnotist sugester?

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-06-06   7:07:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Pinguinite (#55) (Edited)

, I don't see God being so petty as to grant us entry to heaven based on the results of a theology exam, which I see as what it comes down to. God is better than that. Much better.

That's how I see it.

You said you used to be a Christian. You said that for years. Was it a Christian on name only like tradition. Or were you a real believer with all your heart? What changed? Also under thehyptnotists socalled model Hitler pedophiles and rapists are just as good as mother Theresa. If every fool believed that suggestion there would be millions upon millions of people who would act on their evil thoughts exponentially more then today. Because some of us know the consequences of being evil, that restrains many.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-06-06   7:14:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Pinguinite (#55)

Under Newton, life has that purpose of soulful growth. Under Christianity, it's a one-shot deal to get to be one of the lucky ones that get eternal life that has the upbringing or DNA generated brain for which believing in Jesus is possible, and that assuming that one gets to live long enough to make sense of the Christian message.

I see no purpose under the hyptnotists model. Kind of like the satanic so called bible. Do what thou wilt without consequence.Kill murder destroy rape steal. Do whatever you want you are good and maybe you won't murder next time. But hey if you do you get another shot. And another..........

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-06-06   7:30:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: A K A Stone (#59)

What is the purpose of tragedy according to the hypnotist sugester?

I just explained it.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-06   12:51:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: A K A Stone (#57)

What if he is wrong and you had no faith? Ruh Roh.

Then I guess I get judged for embracing honesty.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-06   12:52:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: A K A Stone (#61)

I see no purpose under the hyptnotists model. Kind of like the satanic so called bible. Do what thou wilt without consequence.Kill murder destroy rape steal. Do whatever you want you are good and maybe you won't murder next time. But hey if you do you get another shot. And another..........

I never said there was no consequence for doing these things. Much to the contrary. But I won't explain further as it's apparently of no interest to you.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-06   12:57:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: A K A Stone (#60)

You said you used to be a Christian. You said that for years. Was it a Christian on name only like tradition. Or were you a real believer with all your heart? What changed? Also under thehyptnotists socalled model Hitler pedophiles and rapists are just as good as mother Theresa. If every fool believed that suggestion there would be millions upon millions of people who would act on their evil thoughts exponentially more then today. Because some of us know the consequences of being evil, that restrains many.

It is true that under the Newton model, you don't get to say and believe that some people deserve to burn in hell for all eternity and be happy when they die, call women "cunts" even when they advocate abortion, or otherwise happily condemn people because they believe differently from you. If you want to do that, I suppose you should remain a Christian.

But God is better than that. Far better.

Believe what you will Stone. But there is very substantial evidence in favor of Newton which you are free to consider or ignore.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-06   13:05:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: watchman (#19)

From the "Word of God", I can clearly and systematically define God...His Personality, His Characteristics, Who He is, ect.

To we Believers "The Word of God" as Scripture can't be any more clear. And yes, the same of His Personality, traits, love, loyalty, and even sense of humor.

Yup, I also agree that the Bible is systematically laid out from Alpha to Omega in all senses. The more one examines it, the more amazing it become in its Truth.

Liberator  posted on  2019-06-06   13:50:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Pinguinite, watchman, A K A Stone (#20)

("From the "Word of God", I can clearly and systematically define God...His Personality, His Characteristics, Who He is, ect.")

Would I take this to mean that divine inspiration for a writing can be determined by how sufficiently it claims to define God?...

If I wrote an essay defining God in clear terms, would that be something you'd consider authoritative?

Clearly we need to be more critical than that.

Not many have been tasked with speaking Truth on behalf of The Almighty. It's never been any kind of contest, lottery or shot in the dark. The Bible warns of deception of many who would try and claim they've spoken for God, this is nothing new. Mormon Joseph Smith is one more major fraud who tried to usurp divine authority.

The prophets and prophecies of The Bible have been scrutinized like no other human literature and messaging. Again, ALL of it is found to be true. Not a single lie or untruth in the entire book. There is also NO vague promises, NO murky unspecific resolutions. The Bible's citations and claims are specific and precise. (As an aside, some people actually are spoken to by the Lord. But one doesn't just simply submit an essay and claim, "HERE IS GOD'S NEXT MESSAGE...")

If you want to subscribe to the necessity of being "critical" about claims of divinity, let's do so.

The Bible has a undefeated record of historically accuracy and detailed prophecies describing The Beginning and End, Realm of Heaven and Hell, real people, places, events, and claims; And importantly, the Purpose for Living, Wisdom, Truth, Justice...AND JUDGEMENT.

It must be noted that the God of the Bible has never pronounced any "fairness" in and for this life. ONLY Judgement and Justice in the NEXT life.

On the other hand is Michael Newton.

As proof of his "divinity" he has simply submitted and documented records of his patients who under hypnosis anecdotally claim they've lived in the past or can recall certain real places. I guess we've just got to trust his word and that of his subjects, right?

I suspect that the vast majority of reincarnational subjects had a pre-existing belief in it or at least were very open to it's possibility. I also suspect that Dr. Newton steered his subjects as the Power of Suggestion will find many takers for reincarnation, provided one actually permits themselves to yield their own free will to a professional like Newton.

As far as I can see, Michael Newton cobbled a theory, a model, a tale of an ambiguous Afterlife spent in spiritual classroom so to speak; And based partially on the principle of academics(??), testing and "learning your lesson," one's soul is thrust back into this Mortal Life...with NO memory of past lives OR the "Between Lives" lesson. Btw Ping, do YOU recall any past-lives lessons presently??

So this process to to be repeated until the NEXT death..and next death ad infinitum or for however long it takes" in the classroom? All the pesky esoteric "Between-Lives" details, "After-Life" details and "Final Graduation" details -- conveniently omitted by Newton.

Regarding these "Between-Life" lessons -- if we assume the process to be true, why is it so critical to "learn" every conceivable moral "lesson" in every conceivable moral situation on this earth that one missed during their OTHER 50 lives? Why would this "Between Lives" dimension not be as "hard" to learn moral lessons as within the Physical Realm? Again, I'd ask if you or anybody you know can recall any past "Between-Lives" lessons...

The belief that it is (accredited by WHOM??) "Counselors" determine the sufficiency of the moral lessons one learns in Between Lives -- where is the proof of that? Is this a matter of blind faith? Or pure deception?

It seems pretty clear upon any critical examination that anecdotes produced under hypnotic trance, vague theories and assumptions, and same ol' reincarnation has more holes in it than Swiss cheese hit with buck-shot.

If we are to be honest and critical, please tell us how Michael Newton of ALL people figured out the Great Mystery of the Universe and got it right? Why should his "divinity" AND "Model" be considered legitimate and himself the recipient of divine truth?

You do understand to main problems with his Model, right? (and there are several obvious ones.)

**Possibilities/probabilities to be considered:

**Corrupted Testimony (subjects freely let their walls down and surrendered their respective will to be possessed by demons)

**False Memory (led on by Michael Newton and/or demonic spirits)

**Michael Newton own nefarious motivation and agenda

**Newton's claim to know THE destination and nature of souls via esoteric means

**Newton and his "Model" claim to usurp the Authority and Knowledge of God; claim there is no Heaven & Hell, no God or Satan, no Final Penalty for sin, no Eternal Reward.

**Newton's own nefarious personal background AND agenda

On the further basis of using critical thinking and logic as a standard for faith in the Newton Model, I could rattle off another 20 reasons it no only merits no consideration for credibility and accountability; it's just a very bad theory or model with which to trust for your Eternity. The biggest mistake one can make, but there are no "do-overs."

Reincarnation. Many have claimed to see it "remember" it in practically everything. Even my brother claims he landed at Iwo Jima. (He ws a big fan of the John Wayne movie.)

I guess this debate is really about Michael Newton's "advanced" twist on Reincarnation vs. Christianity. He believes he has gained secret, esoteric wisdom that HE discovered through several thousand altered state of consciousness of people who not only volunteered to be subjects, but were aware of Newton's "mission." From an observation perspective while watching Newton's speech, tone, and content, the vibe he put out (IMO) was one of a Yoda-sage and technocrat, possessing an unusual sense of certainty and self-esteem but a hollow compassion.

I have a real desire to know the truth. So much so that I'm willing to critically question whether the Bible is the WoG, something I'd venture most Bible believing Christians are afraid to seriously do for fear of offending the Almighty.

I realize you are seeking the truth. But the weight of evidence is extremely lop-sided. The destination of your soul is the single most important decision you make. Please re-consider your position. Michael Newton imo was a thief of souls, possessed and imprisoned by an inner-demon who spoke FOR him during those thousand of sessions.

I would think God would appreciate more an honest skeptic than an insincere "believer". Don't you?

He tells us BOTH will be "spit out." "Lukewarm" Christians will be very disappointed and panicked. Skeptics will merely be shocked and terrified. ALL will realize that it is by their OWN free will and decision from which they are condemned. If we invite the Holy Spirit into our heart, Jesus will enter it and we'll grow in Him. I believe you possess more than a gain of a mustard seed. It is Satan who confuses and is the accuser, the betrayer, the liar. Yes, you're right -- we must pursue Jesus and our Father out of sincere love and desire. And keep on at it. Many believe only because they are broken hearted or desperate -- that is IF one is blessed. Strangely and ironically, to never "need God" is actually a curse in this mortal life.

....Logically, if God had a choice in which model to employ, I think He'd choose the Newton model. In comparing the merits of the two, the Newton model has many attributes that are, I think, objectively superior to Christianity, one of the big ones being that no one burns in hell for all eternity just because no one told them about Jesus.

This isn't only about "Merit" it's about "Truth"; And for what it's worth we are ALL sinners, which technically makes us all unpure, doesn't it? Exactly how have we earned anything, much less "merit" entry into the immaculate, sinless Kingdom of Heaven? We can't wish away or invent an alternative Truth just because the Biblical One seems unfair; Can't run away from The Law, the Truth, The Life, The Way either. Again, God never tells us in scripture, "Life is fair." He does instruct us on how to cope here and prepare for the next life.

As to your concern that the souls of those who have not heard the Name of Jesus are in jeopardy, that's why the Lords states that HE will judge...and also do so according to one's deeds...as well as even in the case of innocent children's deaths. Wouldn't an Omnipotent God *know* any given life's verdict in ALL cases either way??

Liberator  posted on  2019-06-06   16:05:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Pinguinite (#56)

And in spite of the length of time that has gone by, searching on this boy's name with "scam" or "fraud" hasn't turned up much aside from skepticism. It seems no one has come forward claiming to have knowledge of any fraudulent staging. It seems the only real Christian explanation for this is demons which conveniently cannot be disproven.

I just watched the two vids. Thanks, very interesting. And yes, spooky.

THAT SAID...

Yes, the only explanation for such detailed knowledge from a 2-3 year old boy named "James" is indeed demon possession. I can post 50 similar historical stories....

Demons have always had the power to deceive and invade the subconscious and implant memories of others, speak as familiar spirits. Many consider our current times to be the The End Days, aka "The Days of Noah." Scripture also does warn us that Satan and his demons are given greater powers before Christ' return. This includes deception, the kind that Michael Newton and his model fronted for that might possibly help drain borderline believers of the Gospel such as yourself. This kind memory-implantation and "evidence of reincarnation" is another case of demonic spirit weaponry and another way to deceive and derail possible believers. Want a couple more ways Satan and his demons are already at deception during these the Last Days? He's convinced tens of MILLIONS of women that murdering their own baby is "a right." AND that preaching of the Gospel in public is A CRIME.

ALL of the above is a result of Unbelievers who were prophecied to be spiritually blinded to the truth.

Here's what the Bible says about it:

"And with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness." -- 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 (NKJV

Yes, I understand this one is unique in that there was no adult who invited the demon in. Yet possession is possession. I would be curious about James' family history, faith, and background. In both cases of the child and of the pilot. In some cases Scripture tells us that there is such a thing as a Generation Curse.

This account is completely consistent with what Newton has reported in his books. If corroboration of the many Biblical authors is cited as evidence of divine inspiration, would corroboration between Newton and other sources also be evidence in support of Newton's work?

Here's the difference between the divinity of God's Prophets and Newton as an obvious agent NOT of God + the reincarnation wizardry of Demons:

God speaks only the Truth time and time again; Satan lies time and time again. Only ONE way (The Bible vs. Newton) can be THE truth.

Moreover, corroboration of one lie with another is still a lie. Again, God Himself repeats Himself regarding spiritual deception and blindness. The inability to discern the difference should be considered a red flag.

To each his own, I suppose. Unlike with the Christian message, under the Newton model, it's not important that people believe a certain way. But I do feel it provides helpful insights that assist in life's struggles.

Wait a minute; Within Scripture are MANY insights of wisdom for living morally and righteously, equipping believers with this life's struggles *without* selling one's soul. Have you read Proverbs? Ecclesiastes? Psalms? Book of Job? And the biggest "assistance" possible: God's Grace via the Gospel that picks up the tabs for our sins in preparation for His Kingdom.

Look -- this mortal life is a relative momentary wisp of smoke compared to Eternity. Please choose wisely, my friend.

Yes, God has definitive rules. He is the Teacher who demands respect and expect his student to also respect themselves. With His Grace He generously offers to wipe the slate clean of every sin via embracing the Gospel. THAT is "The Christian Message." He doesn't demand perfection; he does demand obedience.

Michael Newton is like the substitute teacher who demands nothing of his students. He lets his student run wild then gives them all an A grade on their tests no matter how bad their work is. Repeatedly. All he's doing is giving you a fake grade and fake "diploma" as he engages in moral relativism of the highest degree -- lumping unrepentant baby murderers in with good people like yourself and making a mockery of Justice. You want fair, right? Is that the kind of "justice" you find fair? Overlooked in this amazing "deal": NO eternal reward. NO epic congratulations from a loving God. And...NO justice & punishment.

Not only couldn't the Newton Model make any promises regarding any eternal reward for The Righteous, it can't because "Righteous" is relative. Even as a matter of "Karmic Justice," the Newton Model fails miserably. Returning to earth slog through one harsh life & death after another repeatedly, thanks to supposed incompetent/negligent "Between Lives" teachers is more like Hell, isn't it? Newton's main Karmic Modification: "Learn your lessons, return to earth, PASS GO, and return as humans instead of animals."

Liberator  posted on  2019-06-06   18:05:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Liberator (#67)

The Bible warns of deception of many who would try and claim they've spoken for God, this is nothing new. Mormon Joseph Smith is one more major fraud who tried to usurp divine authority.

No it is not anything new. But we do see such warnings about misinformation everywhere, even in today's media billed under the term "fake news". Information wars are as old as language itself, I'd say. That similar warnings would appears in the Bible is not really an exception in the sphere of all subjects.

The prophets and prophecies of The Bible have been scrutinized like no other human literature and messaging. Again, ALL of it is found to be true. Not a single lie or untruth in the entire book. There is also NO vague promises, NO murky unspecific resolutions. The Bible's citations and claims are specific and precise. (As an aside, some people actually are spoken to by the Lord. But one doesn't just simply submit an essay and claim, "HERE IS GOD'S NEXT MESSAGE...")

I've already commented on this. I suppose we must simply disagree on just how specific or non specific Biblical prophecies are. And even if they are, it's not necessarily the case that the ability to foretell the future firmly indicates that one's theology is also correct. I'm sure that sounds contradictory to someone with a pro-Bible mindeset, but while we would agree that a self-professed prophet who predicts erroneously would not be speaking on behalf of God, that would not necessarily mean that someone who does prophesize correctly IS speaking for God. According to the Newton model, our future is known in the spirit world too.

It must be noted that the God of the Bible has never pronounced any "fairness" in and for this life. ONLY Judgement and Justice in the NEXT life.

In the Newton model, life is completely fair, including for those born in to very difficult/handicapped circumstances.

As proof of [Newton's] "divinity" he has simply submitted and documented records of his patients who under hypnosis anecdotally claim they've lived in the past or can recall certain real places.

To be clear, Newton has never, to my knowledge, ever made any claim of being divine, nor has he submitted his work to prove anything one way or the other. He has simply reported what he claims to have discovered and nothing more.

I guess we've just got to trust his word and that of his subjects, right?

I find his information, upon study, to provide superior answers to life's mysteries on both theological, moral and scientific grounds, so when you find a source of info that gives consistent, logical answers to most everything, it's not simply a matter of trusting the messenger. I could give a few examples of logical inconsistencies under the Christian model that don't exist under Newton, but perhaps there's little point. (We will not change each other's minds).

I suspect that the vast majority of reincarnational subjects had a pre-existing belief in it or at least were very open to it's possibility.

One of the reasons Newton claims his work has validity is (and he has stated this in interviews) is that of the many thousands of people he has regressed, all gave compatible accounts about past lives and life between lives, and it did not matter what the cultural or religious persuasion of the clients, including atheists. Once under hypnosis, they all responded uniformaly in the existence of past lives and/or between lives.

I've never met Newton but listening to his interviews, he is very objective in his responses, which is what a scientist should be. For example he was asked about the existence of demons and devils. His measured response was not "They don't exist". Rather it was along the lines of "In all the work I have done, I have not had anyone relate to me the existence of demonic beings". While, Liberator, you do believe in them, I point out only that the nature of his response to that question is objective, and the mark of an honest scientist.

He claims to have focused on being objective with his clients, not using power of suggestion or asking leading questions. He claims to have allowed his clients to express themselves as they see fit, only asking them for clarity on what they see and experience under hypnosis. His persona, as I have seen on his interviews, is consistent with that claim.

Newton states he was an atheist, assisting people with ordinary therapy through hypnosis, but was brought, rather unwillingly, to believe in past lives through his work.

Btw Ping, do YOU recall any past-lives lessons presently??

That's an excellent question. I'll ask in return: Do you recall what you dreamed about last night? If you do not, does that mean you did not dream?

Most of us cannot readily recall dreams upon wakening. It's a matter of context.

We know our brains are capable of memory, but according to Newton, the soul is also capable as well, and any past live memories would, naturally, not reside in our brains. To recall past lives, requires accessing soul memories which might otherwise be called "subconscious" memories, which is why hypnosis is requried to access them. But racking one's brain to remember a past life is like looking on your smart phone for last years photos of a beach vacation and, not finding them, creating the impression the beach vacation never happened, when the photos are not on the phone, but on a flash drive. If you look for past life memories in your brain, you won't find them because they are not there.

Our brains are noisy things. Hypnosis is what turns them down and allows the soul/subconcious memories to be accessed. Trying to do so without hypnosis is like trying to talk to someone on the other side of a noisy barroom. First clear out all the other patrons and turn off the music, and only then can you carry on a conversation. Hypnosis is like that.

Upon death, we are separated from our highly distracting human brains and all the distracting sensations and cognitive ability it provides, and then it all comes back to us. This is why, I theorize, young children, such as the case of little James above, can be more capable of accessing these memories than adults. Their brains are not fully developed and therefore less distracting and interfering in accessing soul/subconscious memories. As they get older, these memories do not fade. Rather, they are simply more and more overwhelmed by our human minds to the point of being inaccessible.

Indeed, human life is much like a dream. We think it is real until we wake up, at which point our earthly memories back to childhood return. Death is an awakening as well, upon which we will again recall our whole life in soul form back to when we were, as souls, created.

So this process to to be repeated until the NEXT death..and next death ad infinitum or for however long it takes" in the classroom? All the pesky esoteric "Between-Lives" details, "After-Life" details and "Final Graduation" details -- conveniently omitted by Newton.

No. There is a limit to incarnations. At some point, we reach a level of advancement where further incarnations are no longer meaningfully productive. Lessons and growth continue however, though it seems we remain in the spirit world. As for Newton, I think he's stated that his work only scratches the surface of the big picture. So he doesn't claim to have all the answers. Far from it.

Regarding these "Between-Life" lessons -- if we assume the process to be true, why is it so critical to "learn" every conceivable moral "lesson" in every conceivable moral situation on this earth that one missed during their OTHER 50 lives? Why would this "Between Lives" dimension not be as "hard" to learn moral lessons as within the Physical Realm?

I don't think Newton ever claimed that "every lesson" must be learned by all. What is clear is we are all unique, and the path for each of us is different.

The belief that it is (accredited by WHOM??) "Counselors" determine the sufficiency of the moral lessons one learns in Between Lives -- where is the proof of that? Is this a matter of blind faith? Or pure deception?

I do not know, and have never claimed to know, how such quantifications in progress are made.

If we are to be honest and critical, please tell us how Michael Newton of ALL people figured out the Great Mystery of the Universe and got it right? Why should his "divinity" AND "Model" be considered legitimate and himself the recipient of divine truth?

In a nutshell, his descriptions and theories best fit the data. It explains our phobias. Child prodigies who have exceptional skill in things like piano and golf, the reincarnation claims of little James, above. The theology provides better solutions. Life is fair. Life has a purpose. Dying without hearing any particular theological message has no eternal consequence. God has more patience. Free will is complete. Full accountability exists. It is, quite frankly, on these merits that make this model objectively superior to the model that says we live once and when we die, even if quite young, enter into paradise dependent upon how correct our theological understanding of God is. And that is pretty much the standard for the Christian, Islamic and Jewish faiths.

You do understand to main problems with his Model, right? (and there are several obvious ones.)

**Possibilities/probabilities to be considered:

Under the Newton model, there are few, if any, accidents in life, both literal and figurative. We tend to meet up with the same souls from one lifetime to another. It's all prearranged, as per our soul/subconscious will.

**Corrupted Testimony (subjects freely let their walls down and surrendered their respective will to be possessed by demons)

That's your assertion, however true or untrue.

**False Memory (led on by Michael Newton and/or demonic spirits)

Not consistent with the persona of Michael Newton. I can't speak for the objectivity of demons, however.

**Newton and his "Model" claim to usurp the Authority and Knowledge of God; claim there is no Heaven & Hell, no God or Satan, no Final Penalty for sin, no Eternal Reward.

Some true, some not true.

On the further basis of using critical thinking and logic as a standard for faith in the Newton Model, I could rattle off another 20 reasons it no only merits no consideration for credibility and accountability; it's just a very bad theory or model with which to trust for your Eternity. The biggest mistake one can make, but there are no "do-overs."

We do see things differently. What I see in the Newton model makes far more sense. Though as I've stated a few times, being a true Christian is a fine thing to be.

Reincarnation. Many have claimed to see it "remember" it in practically everything. Even my brother claims he landed at Iwo Jima. (He ws a big fan of the John Wayne movie.)

Of course many claims of reincarnation are either false. The human mind is capable of all sorts of delusion. A case in point is the shape of the earth. It's safe to say that it is either flat or spherical, but cannot be both. At least one of us is wrong, but both of us adamantly believe we are correct. So yes, some claims of reincarnation may be made faithfully, but sitll be incorrect. Also, it should be noted that facts stated by those under hypnosis are not immune to error. Hypnosis is not a state of complete mental shutoff. Some memories may be real but be somewhat in error, such as being off on a graduation date by a couple years. But errors such as those do not mean the memory is completely false. I think Newton has used the term "conscious interferance" to describe when a recalled memory is altered to a degree by the person's more recent experience.

From an observation perspective while watching Newton's speech, tone, and content, the vibe he put out (IMO) was one of a Yoda-sage and technocrat, possessing an unusual sense of certainty and self-esteem but a hollow compassion.

Newton comes off to me as more the scientist, that compared to Brian Weiss, a more well known reincarnation advocate and author from the same profession as Newton, who comes to me as more of a doctor. Certainly, my own leanings in the scientific direction make me partial to accepting Newton's presentation. I admit that freely. If he appears hollow on "compassion", it may be because he is more of a scientist and less of a doctor.

I would think God would appreciate more an honest skeptic than an insincere "believer". Don't you?

He tells us BOTH will be "spit out." "Lukewarm" Christians will be very disappointed and panicked.

An "insincere believer' who is fraudulent is one thing. That one, a liar about being a Christian, would burn forever, is fine, academically speaking.

But what about someone that believes out of fear? They are told they will burn forever if they don't believe the Bible, so they respond out of that fear and claim to believe it. They read it. They study it. If you ask them they say they believe. And yet their motivation isn't true conviction about that is true and not true. It's instead fear.

Would such a person be considered a true believer?

The human mind is a very complex thing, and indeed the complete unit of a person consists of both a human body and soul making it more complex. People do things every day without thinking about them. We feel things and react in ways that we don't fully understand. Some days I'm like, not in a good mood, and I ask myself why, and I have to ponder things for a while before I realize it was because someone said something too me or something happened outside or someone didn't call when they should have. Often, the feelings come first before the conscious mind catches up. So we are complex beings. As I see it the state of "believing" is not a binary thing. The question put to someone such as "Do you believe in God?" is really an unfair question. A part of us believes but a part of us does not. I guess that's one more thing I see erroneous about most faiths. The idea that it's possible to be "all in" or "all out" when it comes to God. It's not that simple Liberator. Not at all.

A far better & fairer question to put to people: "On a scale of 1 to 10, how confident are you that God is real?". That much fairer. When it comes to psychology, everything is on a sliding scale.

Skeptics will merely be shocked and terrified. ALL will realize that it is by their OWN free will and decision from which they are condemned. If we invite the Holy Spirit into our heart, Jesus will enter it and we'll grow in Him. I believe you possess more than a gain of a mustard seed. It is Satan who confuses and is the accuser, the betrayer, the liar. Yes, you're right -- we must pursue Jesus and our Father out of sincere love and desire. And keep on at it. Many believe only because they are broken hearted or desperate -- that is IF one is blessed. Strangely and ironically, to never "need God" is actually a curse in this mortal life.

I appreciate your sincerity here. Thank you.

....Logically, if God had a choice in which model to employ, I think He'd choose the Newton model. In comparing the merits of the two, the Newton model has many attributes that are, I think, objectively superior to Christianity, one of the big ones being that no one burns in hell for all eternity just because no one told them about Jesus.

As to your concern that the souls of those who have not heard the Name of Jesus are in jeopardy, that's why the Lords states that HE will judge...and also do so according to one's deeds...as well as even in the case of innocent children's deaths. Wouldn't an Omnipotent God *know* any given life's verdict in ALL cases either way??

This sentiment I agree with, but is, I content, supportive of the Newton model. God does know our hearts, and each of us is on a unique course.

What does seem logical is that the Christian faith would not exist if it did not include a message of the necessity of redemption prior to death. That is what provides the fuel for the faith to be spread. Without that, the faith would probably have died out within a couple generations. So I can see human psychology at work in enabling religions to propagate over centuries.

If there is a better explanation than reincarnation for this video, I'd like to know what it is. Note her ability to not only play piano, but to read music as well! But maybe it's all fake. Maybe.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-06-06   19:03:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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