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Title: When astronauts rise from the dead (Is it possible the 1986 Space Shuttle Challenger crew never aboarded the craft?)
Source: YouTube
URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okOZTLC7A-0
Published: May 19, 2019
Author: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okOZTLC7
Post Date: 2019-05-22 10:28:14 by Liberator
Keywords: Ruh-Roe, Ooops, Ghosts
Views: 197
Comments: 6

If you are 40 years or older, you may remember January 28th 1986.

It was the day of a huge NASA catastrophe off the coast of Cape Canaveral, Florida, where Space Shuttle Challenger exploded in a tremendous burst over the Atlantic. Now, for a second time this matter leaves the world breathless. Though, this latest shock even surpasses the one of 30 years ago.

At least six of the seven Challenger crew members are said to be still alive; four of them even under the same name.


Poster Comment:

Comments? Reactions? Explanations?

Dopplegangers? OR...these "astronauts" never got into the Space Shuttle Challenger. Did NASA purposely blow the Challenger up? Afterward, NASA scuttled further missions for almost 3 years.

Check out before YouTube removes.

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#1. To: All (#0)

REALLY interesting breakdown and research.

Somebody please explain the inexplicable regarding this crew, who still exist. TWO of these people who were aboard the Challenger claim they were "twins" of those who had "died" in the mission.

Liberator  posted on  2019-05-22   11:53:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#1)

This kind of phantom "perishing" and subsequent changing of IDs brings to mind the chatter that one of the "crashed" 911 passenger jets wound up in Cleveland if you or anyone else happens to recall.

Liberator  posted on  2019-05-22   11:56:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Liberator (#0)

If this is an admission that these behemoth shuttle rockets really were launched, if they didn't go into orbit, where did they come down? Did they just dump them in the ocean, and build a new one for each subsequent fraudulent launch?

Or did they land them 45 minutes later on an aircraft carrier, secreting them back to the launch pad, perhaps at night so no one would notice?

The scale of the conspiracy would have to be so great with hundreds of thousands, or more likely millions of people conspiring together to keep a grand flat earth secret from billions more. That is totally outside the realm of sanity.

As for these astronauts still being alive, I don't believe 2 photos some 35 years apart alleged to be of the same person can reasonably be tagged as being of the same person by total strangers (us). Just because some facial features are similar doesn't cut it. And in a country of over 300 million, I would expect some names and faces to be similar, especially names like "Michael Smith". For all we know, it could be a cousin or family relation that might explain any resemblance that there may be, if there is indeed any at all. And if it was a grand conspiracy, I would expect, if the conspirators were gracious enough to allow them to live at all as simply killing them would be a small thing compared to all else they would have had to do, giving these astronauts (and a teacher) completely new names to live out their lives instead of letting them keep the names they supposedly died under.

I also find it grossly irresponsible for a web caster to publicize the email address of a person they do not know, and only suspect of being the Challenger crewman, which was most certainly done without that man's permission.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-05-22   13:05:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Pinguinite (#3)

As for these astronauts still being alive, I don't believe 2 photos some 35 years apart alleged to be of the same person can reasonably be tagged as being of the same person by total strangers (us).

Just because some facial features are similar doesn't cut it. And in a country of over 300 million, I would expect some names and faces to be similar, especially names like "Michael Smith". For all we know, it could be a cousin or family relation that might explain any resemblance that there may be...

First...Did you watch/listen to the entire video?

How many ID "coincidences" and "highly improbables" must one accept before being a skeptic? Watch the vid if you haven't.

I've watched more video and read more on NASA than I ever wanted to know. It's amazing how we've all been trained/conditioned to nod our head in acceptance at EVERYTHING we've been told.

NASA HAS ZERO CREDIBILITY. NASA. HAS. BEEN. CAUGHT. RED-HANDED. LYING. REPEATEDLY. I am not making this crap up. I don't know how else to tell you this.

I also find it grossly irresponsible for a web caster to publicize the email address of a person they do not know, and only suspect of being the Challenger crewman, which was most certainly done without that man's permission.

That's a whole different issue to address -- ALTHOUGH, with respect to the Big Picture, it is justified IMO. And that Big Picture is...HOAXING THE WORLD.

If this is an admission that these behemoth shuttle rockets really were launched, if they didn't go into orbit, where did they come down? Did they just dump them in the ocean, and build a new one for each subsequent fraudulent launch?

Or did they land them 45 minutes later on an aircraft carrier, secreting them back to the launch pad, perhaps at night so no one would notice?

I've answer this query from you; Yes, the rockets ARE launched. Please tell me -- just WHO is going to notice/report the "truth"?? CNN? AP? FNC? NASA's own??

NASA has been getting at least $52 million PER DAY to perpetrate this hoax. (That's NOT including other funding packed into defense spending.) There's been a lotta moola to create/control the narrative, and spread around and shut down scrutiny and/or Big Mouths. Look -- the gummint has been using the very same playbook when getting us into wars. (Or for instance, the much ballyhooed bin Laden "takedown" when he was supposedly captured by Sp Ops, and his body dumped at sea.)

Yes...These rocket launches are real...but just for show. They rise, arc then the capsules fall back into the sea/ocean. This is why NASA launching pads/bases are along the coasts (Houston/Florida.) The volume of video demonstrating phenomena this is prodigious.

Q: Have you ever watched an extended video of a capsule descending after launch, splashing down into the water, and hatches opening which reveal said astronauts?

There are two possibilities that I see:

1) VERY low orbit splash-downs that parachute down.
2) NOBODY actually REMAINS in the capsule at take-off. (there are vids of chutes & slides where astronauts actually exit the cap and enter/access the hidden/underground catacombs of NASA's bases. THIS is exactly what is theorized to have happened to the Challenger personnel.)

The scale of the conspiracy would have to be so great with hundreds of thousands, or more likely millions of people conspiring together to keep a grand flat earth secret from billions more. That is totally outside the realm of sanity.

Are you referring to hushing up NASA's hoaxing OR Flat Earth?

In any case, your number is way off. NASA personnel are extremely compartmentalized and isolated from one another. The number of NASA brass who know the truth can only be estimated/assumed to be in the thousands -- about the same who knew the actual truth about JFK.

The dead-horse CGI and cultural promotion of Global Earth is so embedded that only determined "Truthers" can unshackle themselves from this Lie or any number of Big Lies we've been conditioned from birth to accept of this world as THE truth.

MANY people know the truth about Flat Earth and acknowledge it; They are just compelled to keep quiet about it because to crusade on about it publicly is to risk one's living, profit, benefits, a potential loss of status, positions, job, and social standing. It's "The Emperor Has No Clothes" Syndrome.

Moreover, we're all "crazy!" right? Who's gonna believe those nuts that sprout up here and there? (OH WAIT -- YouTube and Social Media deem it a "dangerous idea.)

Academic and Social Stigma may be melting a bit on FE, but it's still in effect. The consensus remains: Who's going to believe the insane rantings of those who rail on, "The Earth Is Flat!!"? (The general public reaction mirrors that of the reactionary microcosm here at LF. It is what it is.)

IF you or others are interested in one-stop pick & choose FE/NASA related resources:

https://www.youtube.com/user/Antwniaco

Liberator  posted on  2019-05-23   11:11:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Liberator (#4)

First...Did you watch/listen to the entire video?

At the time of my post, I had watch some of it, up to the point where it gave the email address out. After posting, I skimmed through the rest.

How many ID "coincidences" and "highly improbables" must one accept before being a skeptic? Watch the vid if you haven't.

To me, what is highly improbable is that a conspiracy of the magnitude required to dup the entire planet into thinking the world is flat could be maintained as suggested by flat earth advocates. I think we all pretty much learn in our teenage years that if you want to keep a secret, you have to tell it to as few people as possible. And here we are suggesting that at minimum, millions of people are keeping a secret from billions more. As a social/psychological matter, that just can't happen. Not with those numbers of people. Where and how would/could anyone find and recruit 1 million people that all agree that keeping a flat earth secret would be a great idea?

And why? If the earth is flat, what purpose would it even serve to dup all of humanity into thinking it's round, especially considering all the lies you'd have keep track of? You know how it is: A honest man doesn't have to remember what he told people in the past, but a liar must do so to avoid contradicting and exposing himself. And flat earth advocates suggest a pack of lies run back 500 years and 15 generations?

NASA HAS ZERO CREDIBILITY. NASA. HAS. BEEN. CAUGHT. RED-HANDED. LYING. REPEATEDLY. I am not making this crap up. I don't know how else to tell you this.

Lies can come from all quarters. I've already suggested how the flat earth movement could play in to the very hands of the PTBs / elites, which we do agree exist.

I've answer this query from you; Yes, the rockets ARE launched. Please tell me -- just WHO is going to notice/report the "truth"?? CNN? AP? FNC? NASA's own??

The scale of the conspiracy is simply too big to contain. Not just this, but everything that flat earth advocates must claim, from satallite TV dishes which work or not depending on the direction they are pointed, to airline flight times & paths in the S hemisphere, to high & low tides, to the sun and moon dropping *below* and rising *above* the horizon at different times world wide, to astronomical planetary regression (supporting heliocentric solar system) and so one.

In fact, you and I could do our own experiment, as we are at, I, believe, substantially different latitudes. And I'll do this with you, though I've never done it before.

During full moon, let's both take a picture of the moon at moon rise, when it's just above the horizon. We need clear skies for this, and it should be about the same time, within a day or two, and we'll send our photos to each other.

The experiment works this way. The moon has visible features on it, notably the various "seas" of darker dust on them. Now if the world is spherical and we are at different latitudes, I postulate that as we view the same moon at the same time (moonrise), we will see the moon rotated differently relative to the horizon. The features on the moon will give away it's degree of rotation relative to the horizon. That's because "up" for us is not in the same direction, IF the world is spherical. For example, if one of us is on the equator an the other is at a 45 degree north latitude, then in comparison with the respective horizons, the relative rotation of the moon features should be different by about 45 degrees. The farther north someone is, the more clockwise the moon should appear to be rotated. The farther south, the more counterclockwise the features should be.

To work, the photo must include the horizon or buildings or cars or something to allow the rotation of the moon to be compared against.

It seems to me that in a flat earth model, there should be no clockwise or counterclockwise difference in the rotation of the moon, though I guess I'd have to defer to a flat earth specialist to confirm that as I don't understand fully the mechanics of how the sun & moon movement are supposed to work, in spite of seeing a few videos that show them going in circles above a flat earth.

I've never done this experiment before, so I guess I'm going out on a limb here. Maybe. Would you be game? You would have to trust me, and I you, that we are sending real photos and not photoshopped versions. hehehe.... Or if the experiment works then maybe I'm in on this whole global earth conspiracy? Or maybe you are part of the flat earth conspiracy! heheh. But no NASA, no web sites, no text books no nothing else. Just you, me and a couple cameras. What do you say?

Yes...These rocket launches are real...but just for show. They rise, arc then the capsules fall back into the sea/ocean. This is why NASA launching pads/bases are along the coasts (Houston/Florida.) The volume of video demonstrating phenomena this is prodigious.

It would seem most prudent to launch rockets from the east US coast, farthest south possible, in part to minimize the risk to civilian population centers in the event of accidents.

Q: Have you ever watched an extended video of a capsule descending after launch, splashing down into the water, and hatches opening which reveal said astronauts?

I don't think so. That's not really been done in the US since the Apollo missions.

Are you referring to hushing up NASA's hoaxing OR Flat Earth?

Isn't this all tied together? Isn't the whole allegation that NASA is a fraud part of the flat earth doctrine?

In any case, your number is way off. NASA personnel are extremely compartmentalized and isolated from one another. The number of NASA brass who know the truth can only be estimated/assumed to be in the thousands -- about the same who knew the actual truth about JFK.

Okay, fine. Assuming it's that low, there are still conspirators needed for things like claiming airline trips in the S hemisphere take far less time then they really do OR for airline operators to deceive people about how fast these planes can go. Every day. All the time. NASA by itself cannot, by itself, fool the world into thinking a flat earth is spherical. NASA is only some 60 years old and is ONLY a US agency, and global earth advocacy goes back centuries in just about all countries.

Moreover, we're all "crazy!" right? Who's gonna believe those nuts that sprout up here and there? (OH WAIT -- YouTube and Social Media deem it a "dangerous idea.)

Indeed they do, which is their justification for why anti-vax info should be suppressed. The flat earth movement plays right into their argument that freedom of speech MUST be brought to an end because people can be made to believe ANYTHING.

https://www.youtube.com/user/Antwniaco

I have limited time on FE research, but if you want to do the moon test, I would enjoy that experiment.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-05-23   15:36:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Pinguinite (#5)

After posting, I skimmed through the rest.

I appreciate your honesty...but "skimming" over this video doesn't do it or the issue justice. The author is trying to cover all the bases. You *could* miss third base and then what? ;-)

(I'll follow upon the rest of your response when I can....)

Liberator  posted on  2019-05-23   16:14:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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