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Title: Should we Push our Values on the Middle East ? (US Gummint poised to re-cycle this bogus premise in potential war with Iran)
Source: youtube
URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWAnC3MeOAQ
Published: May 14, 2019
Author: Owen Benjamin (Highlights)
Post Date: 2019-05-17 12:39:59 by Liberator
Keywords: Values, Conservatism, Anti-Globalism
Views: 155
Comments: 8

Owen Benjamin is a conservative commentator who discusses/critiques the culture from a "Regular Guy"/Common Sense perspective.

The discussion within government circles and sources is whether to "spread Democracy" and "our values" on Iran by military means.

Benjamin discusses the motivation, morality and hypocrisy of the same US Government that since Iraq War II has been assuring Americans they and our military have indeed been "spreading democracy" (while corrupting and destroying America's own democracy and culture.)


Poster Comment:

This is an especially good brief riff/convo that poses some good points.

The USA is no longer "good." OR benevolent. Moreover, haven't we done enough damage to the Middle East? (and ourselves?)

WHO are WE to dictate and export ANY of our corrupt, filthy pro-homo, man-hating, self-loathing globalist values and culture? Why trust a Globalist-hijacked US Gummint and its MSM hacks on anything?

Folks...If you haven't checked out Owen Benjamin and his podcast or shorts like this (Clips/Highlights), do so. The man speaks much truth on a myriad of subjects that should resonate with you. He's a Straight-shooter with no pretense.

His background is interesting in that he once made a living in Hollywood as a comic, was in the MTV series, 'Punk'd', hung out with many so-called stars and celebs. That is UNTIL he openly rejected their lack of any ethics, morals, abhorrent lifestyle and phoniness.

These days he is (happily) relegated to riffing on the culture and subjects of the day while reading real-time comments and reacting on his farm. It should be noted that Owen Benjamin is a strong family man. He presents what is a unique, refreshing format. His shorts and clips are best (between 8-15 minutes long.)

Benjamin and his truth-telling is deemed so dangerous that he has been tossed off of Twitter and FB, and been de-monitized by You Tube and PayPal.

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#1. To: Liberator (#0) (Edited)

"Push" them? No. F'k 'em. Defective medieval vile, bloodthirsty Mooslum shiiteholes.
But we damn sure need to keep them, and their bullbarack, the hell out of normal nations.

I don't think their deathcult is anymore a 'religion' than the Nazi party, which had similar goals.
I bet the ghosts of the Third Reich wish they'd thought of calling their deathcult a 'religion'.

Hank Rearden  posted on  2019-05-17   13:35:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Liberator (#0)

Iran and Syria are the last two enemies standing. Iran was always going to be the the last domino.

Consider where the world stood on September 10, 2001.

The USSR was gone, and Russia was quiescent and weak. China h the the last domino.

Consider where the world stood on September 10, 2001.

The USSR was gone, and Russia was quiescent and weak. China had not started building artificial islands yet. The dot.com bubble had burst, creating some economic turbulence, and the country was still sour from the Supreme-Court-decided election of 2000, but the US was the world's undisputed hyperpower.

The only visible point of active international contention was Ira decided election of 2000, but the US was the world's undisputed hyperpower.

The only visible point of active international contention was Iraq, where Saddam Hussein still had a large army in the field, was still killing Marsh Arabs, and was still shooting at US aircraft.

Under the veneer Saddam Hussein still had a large army in the field, was still killing Marsh Arabs, and was still shooting at US aircraft.

Under the veneer of peace, Islamic terrorism was ramped up to a fever pitch. Al Qaeda, fund Arabs, and was still shooting at US aircraft.

Under the veneer of peace, Islamic terrorism was ramped up to a fever pitch. Al Qaeda, funded by members of the Saudi royal family and supported by various Gulf state oil sheikdoms. Abu decided election of 2000, but th Al Qaeda, funded by members of the Saudi royal family and supported by various Gulf state oil sheikdoms. Abu decided election of 2000, but the US was the world's undisputed hyperpower.

The only visible point of ac Gulf state oil sheikdoms. Abu decided election of 2000, but the US was the world's undisputed hyperpower.

The only visible point of active international contention was Iraq, where Sa Saddam Hussein still had a large army in the field, was still killing Marsh Ar Arabs, and was still shooting at US aircraft.

Under the veneer of peace, Islamic terrorism was ramped up to a fever pitch. Al Qaeda, funded by members of the Saudi royal family and supported by various Gulf state oil sheikdoms. Abu Nidal's group, killers of Klinghofer, were living well in Baghdad, guests of the state. The terrorists who brought down the airliner at Lockerbie and who had attacked the Berlin nightclub full of American troops were all guests of Moammar Ghadafi. Warlords were terrorizing people people in Somalia, and Muslim fanatics were terrorizing Christians in Darfur. Despit Despite American hegemony, the Islami people people in Somalia, and Muslim fanatics were terrorizing Christians in Darfur. Despit Despite American hegemony, the Islamists were united in hatred of Israel, and the US the US was a prize target for radical Despit Despite American hegemony, the Islamists were united in hatred of Israel, and the US the US was a prize target for radicals.

And America was asleep, oblivious, focused on tech and the market turmoil an the US the US was a prize target for radicals.

And America was asleep, oblivious, focused on tech and the market turmoil and inte internal politics. Then came the morning of 9/1l, when the world changed.

American grand strategy, understood from inte internal politics. Then came the morning of 9/1l, when the world changed.

American grand strategy, understood from the inside, was clear. I expressed it ou out loud on 9/11 as I walked home from World Trade covered in debris, and wrote ab about it shortly after. There was a ou out loud on 9/11 as I walked home from World Trade covered in debris, and wrote ab about it shortly after. There was an inexorable logic to what the US must do, an and given the degree of American sup ab about it shortly after. There was an inexorable logic to what the US must do, an and given the degree of American supremacy, it was the only logical thing for th the US TO do.

Walking home t an and given the degree of American supremacy, it was the only logical thing for th the US TO do.

Walking home that day, an African diplomat - tall, black, well-dressed, with a heavy accent - expressed to my ash-covered self "What has happened, it is te terrible! Terrible!" "Yes," I replied, and now the US is at war, and we will go go country by country, demanding that every one hand over their terrorists. An And we will invade and crush ev go go country by country, demanding that every one hand over their terrorists. An And we will invade and crush every one that doesn't. And we will take their le leaders, and we will HANG THEM!"

I talked this through with many people at the time. Everybody was shellshocked shellshocked, but I was certain that would be the strategy. I wrote it out in full and gave it to some folks a week or two later, once it was clear that the attacks had come from bases in Afghanistan. Intervening events over the years obscured it somewhat, but that strategy is exactly what we did.

What I wrote was this:

We are now at war with all Islamist terror organizations, and all states that s support them.

We will demand that Afghanistan hand over the terrorists who attacked us. If they don't, we will invade and conquer Afghanistan.

Saddam Hussein will be given one chance to make peace: if he refuses, we will invade Iraq, end his support for terrorism, and rebuild the country in our image, like we did Japan and Germany after World War II. Ghadafi will hand over his terrorists, or we will overthrow him. Support for terror will cease in the oil states, or we will overthrow them. Every Muslim state that supports terror will either cease - which will include ceasing terrorism against Israel - - or the United States will invade and conquer them. Syria will be difficult because - - or the United States will invade and conquer them. Syria will be difficult because of the Russian Naval base, but the Russians cannot stop it. Last to go will be Iran. It can be hoped that Iran will, on seeing the destruction of the rest of the Islamist world, decide not to keep up the terrorism. But if they do, then we will crush them once every other terrorist regime has been crushed.

I am not Nostradamus. My order of events was never clear, other than Afghanistan and Iraq first, and Iran last.

I was, however, very clearsighted. That is EXACTLY what the US has done. EVERY Gulf state with oil - except Iran - stopped funding terrorism and has made de facto peace with Israel. Yemen refused to stop supporting terror, and so we have given full support to Saudi Arabia to destroy Yemen, and that will continue until either the country is conquered, or it renounces terror.

The Sudan would not stop the terrorists from training there, so we fomented a civil war, tore the country in two, and conducted sufficient operations there that the new government no longer supports terror.

The Somali pirates suffered heavy casualties.

We overthrew Ghadafy.

Iraq was conquered and Saddam was hanged. The Shi'ite republic of Iraq is quiet, and sullen - they don't love America - but they don't support terror with that oil wealthy anymore either.

Syria remains, thanks to that Russian port, but we have shattered the country.

All that's left is Iran, and we are preparing for war there.

It is very simple: Iran will cease conducting terrorist operations against Israel (and everywhere else) and will cease developing nuclear weapons, or the United States will destroy the Iranian regime. We have done it, in succession, to 6 other Muslim countries, and compelled 6 more to cease funding terrorism. We cannot be defeated militarily, Russia is not willing to commit nuclear suicide, and the US is not going to back down. Iran will bend the knee, or Iran delenda est.

People can wring their hands and cry about it forever. The fact is that the United States is the hyperpower, we were attacked by Islamic terrorists, we declared war on Islamic terror and on every regime that supports it, and we have systematically destroyed or flipped 12 regimes that used to support terror. All have made peace with Israel and ceased supporting terror. Syria is on the anvil now, and Syria will be broken to our will. They have been more stubborn, because of Russian assistance. Therefore, the Golan Heights have been stripped from Syria and given to Israel forever, by the United States.

Iran is the final terror supporting Islamist nation. They have oil wealth and a large population. They were always the last on the list because they are the hardest nut to crack. It has always been hoped that they will back down rather than force a war. But they will cease the support for terror and give up on nuclear weapons - or make formal peace with Israel - or we will destroy their capacity to develop nuclear weapons.

Period.

Wring hands, mewl, puke, cry and scream all you like. This course was set in 2001. The US hasn't swerved from it. We're not going to. It was the right thing to do, and it still is. Islamic terrorism has no right to exist under the Pax Americana. It was tolerated when Israel was the target. But when the Muslims made America itself the target, they signed the death warrant of radical Islam. That form of Islam will no longer be permitted to be supported by any government on earth. It is a mortal enemy of an America at war. We HAVE overthrown or intimidated 12 Muslim countries into ceasing, and making peace with Israel. We are breaking Syria. And we will break Iran, unless they flip. The outcome is already decided: Iran will not possess a nuclear weapons program, Iran will cease to support international terrorism. Iran will make peace with Israel, and thereby end forever the Arab Israeli wars and all of the terrorism that has come with it.

The outcome was decided in September, 2001, at Pearl Harbor in NYC and the Pentagon. The only question now is whether lots of Iranians have to die to get there. Lots of Afghanis and Iraqis, Sudanese and Libyans and Egyptians and Yemenites and Somalis and Syrians have had to die, but Saudis and Kuwaitis, Qataris and Bahrainis, Emiratis and Saudis have avoided that, as have Tunisians and Moroccans and, after a brief internal fight, Algerians. There is a peaceful path to ending terrorism, and there is a warlike path. Iran will choose that. The outcome will be the same either way: Iran will never have nuclear weapons, and Iranian support for terrorism, particularly against Israel, will end.

12 other countries have tried to resist America. They have all lost. A 13th is in the toils, and will lose. Only Iran remains. Nothing on earth can save them, and nothing in heaven will.

"Dracarys." - Game of Thrones

Vicomte13  posted on  2019-05-17   14:22:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Hank Rearden (#1)

Defective medieval vile, bloodthirsty Mooslum shiiteholes. But we damn sure need to keep them, and their bullbarack, the hell out of normal nations.

Agree 110%.

Problem is, the EU-Globalists have already succeeded in using that fake "REFUGEE CRISIS!!" to invade Europe. Ergo it's "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" there.

Meanwhile, 0bama, the Dems and GOPe have done it on a smaller scale, airdropping Muzzies into Christian/white areas like Minnesota, Michigan, Maine. If Hitlery won, we'd be getting hammered by incoming jihadists by now.

I don't think their deathcult is anymore a 'religion' than the Nazi party, which had similar goals.

I bet the ghosts of the Third Reich wish they'd thought of calling their deathcult a 'religion'.

Yeah, we're now dealing with subversion of the language and linguistic games that selectively protect and shield ONLY Muzzies and even Sharia here in the US (if you notice.)

Right-o across the board -- The goals of Nazis and Islam are very similar. Only the Third Reich lasted a mere dozen years and declared VERBOTEN in Germany.

On the other hand, despite Islam being Death Cult since 600 AD; murdering hundreds of millions; and openly sworn to murder or enslave ALL "infidels" and eventually dominate the world, Islam is NOT declared Illegal, nor isolated nor crushed; It is WELCOMED in Europe and the USA, Open Arms!!

Yes sir. If Hitler and the Nazis were around these days, their ghosts would advise Hitler to classified his cult as "religion" to protect it from "persecution," Then they would hire a team of high-falootin', high-priced attorneys to sue the Ferals or pay off Attorneys, Judges, Politicians, and LE. Satanists are already using this same playbook across the country.

Liberator  posted on  2019-05-17   14:53:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Vicomte13 (#2) (Edited)

Iran and Syria are the last two enemies standing. Iran was always going to be the the last domino.

This is obviously an extremely complicated situation and dynamic...

First of all, who defines, what defines "enemy"? Or whose "enemy" are either Syria or Iran? Secondly, if we accept the "Domino" theory in the ME, it's an inverted Domino theory because the US Alphabet assets created the bogus "Arab Spring" with a subversion policy that assassinated or drove out duly elected leaders and usurped the will of the Egyptian, Libyan, Yemani and others people. Yes, the US ME policy -- led by Globalists/0bama/Hitlery -- was subversive. I'd submit it was THEY who were "The Enemy."

Consider where the world stood on September 10, 2001.

Yes. AT PEACE.

The USSR was gone, and Russia was quiescent and weak. China had not started building artificial islands yet. The dot.com bubble had burst, creating some economic turbulence, and the country was still sour from the Supreme-Court-decided election of 2000, but the US was the world's undisputed hyperpower.

The only visible point of active international contention was Ira decided election of 2000, but the US was the world's undisputed hyperpower.

The only visible point of active international contention was Iraq, where Saddam Hussein still had a large army in the field, was still killing Marsh Arabs, and was still shooting at US aircraft.

Saddam was ZERO threat.

Meanwhile, the US was economically strong, the Cold War no longer existed, ergo the Military-Industrial Complex was being starved for the first time in 60 years. However thanks to Poppy Bush, Bubba and the Globalists, China had by then already been handed the keys to America's economic and tech might. The REAL war was begun with the ChiCom Trade as well as NAFTA. The ME was used to extract and siphon freedom and wealth from the US Middle Class.

Under the veneer Saddam Hussein still had a large army in the field, was still killing Marsh Arabs, and was still shooting at US aircraft.

Under the veneer of peace, Islamic terrorism was ramped up to a fever pitch. Al Qaeda, fund Arabs, and was still shooting at US aircraft.

I completely disagree with this narrative.

Al Qaeda was a CIA creation.
There was no "veneer of peace"; There was ACTUAL relative peace.
If Saddam was shooting at US Aircraft, the US was invading Iraqi airspace and baiting him. It is amazing to see how we were propagandized and manipulated into believing the US was innocent angels back then.

Under the veneer of peace, Islamic terrorism was ramped up to a fever pitch. Al Qaeda, funded by members of the Saudi royal family and supported by various Gulf state oil sheikdoms. Abu decided election of 2000, but th Al Qaeda, funded by members of the Saudi royal family and supported by various Gulf state oil sheikdoms. Abu decided election of 2000, but the US was the world's undisputed hyperpower.

Upon introspection and reflection, it was nothing but US propaganda and hype of the CIA's own creation of Al Qaeda, supposed "threat" of Saddam and "Islamic Terrorism" that gave the impression there was anything actually to worry about. This war against Saddam and FUBARing the entire Middle East was planned by AEI in the late 1990s and plan submitted to Clinton to take out Saddam (while ignoring bin Laden.)

The only visible point of ac Gulf state oil sheikdoms. Abu decided election of 2000, but the US was the world's undisputed hyperpower.

Are you claiming the Arabs influence the election between Gore and Dubya?

Under the veneer of peace, Islamic terrorism was ramped up to a fever pitch. Al Qaeda, funded by members of the Saudi royal family and supported by various Gulf state oil sheikdoms. Abu Nidal's group, killers of Klinghofer, were living well in Baghdad, guests of the state. The terrorists who brought down the airliner at Lockerbie and who had attacked the Berlin nightclub full of American troops were all guests of Moammar Ghadafi. Warlords were terrorizing people people in Somalia, and Muslim fanatics were terrorizing Christians in Darfur.

Despit Despite American hegemony, the Islami people people in Somalia, and Muslim fanatics were terrorizing Christians in Darfur. Despit Despite American hegemony, the Islamists were united in hatred of Israel, and the US the US was a prize target for radical Despit Despite American hegemony, the Islamists were united in hatred of Israel, and the US the US was a prize target for radicals.

Lot of the same ol' same ol' from Muzzies. But in retrospect, nothing to start wars over in the Middle East, invasions, or assassinating/deposing ME leaders.

The only events or situations I agree with you here on:

1) Arabs/Muzzie hatred of Israel (Ongoing Forever)
2) Terrorism against Christians in the ME, Africa, and all across the world (Ongoing Forever)
3) Terrorism in the case of Lockerbie and the Berlin Nightclub (Muzzies paid dearly in US retribution)

America was asleep, oblivious, focused on tech and the market turmoil and inte internal politics...

American grand strategy, understood from inte internal politics. Then came the morning of 9/1l, when the world changed.

American grand strategy, understood from the inside, was clear. I expressed it ou out loud on 9/11 as I walked home from World Trade covered in debris, and wrote ab about it shortly after.

If anyone was "asleep," it was the American people for presuming its government was benevolent and trusting it to tell us the truth on ANYTHING. Especially with respect to 911. I'll bet as you walked home on that infamous day, you and millions of other American at the time never imagined US Intel agys were involved in enabling 911.

THE BIG PICTURE:

Frankly, the actual "Grand Strategy" by the US Govt was to create the Mother of All False Flag Events (911) to help Globalists usurp the USCON and coerce us into paying for, dying for, and bleeding for an unwarranted, unethical,unnecessary war -- based on nothing but BS. Remember how we were led to believe: "WE are fighting Islam THERE so we don't have to fight them HERE. (And here it it 18 years later -- subversive Muzzies are termites creating havoc IN US government.)

All the events from 911 thru the ongoin Iraq War till this day have helped destroy the credibility of the US Government forever. AND...liberty as America knew it (See 'Patriot Act'); Peace (see Iraq War); and "America-First" policies (our military became became a "GLOBAL FORCE FOR GOOD" (see TV Commercials in the early 2000s.)

All that's left is Iran, and we are preparing for war there.

It is very simple: Iran will cease conducting terrorist operations against Israel (and everywhere else) and will cease developing nuclear weapons, or the United States will destroy the Iranian regime. We have done it, in succession, to 6 other Muslim countries, and compelled 6 more to cease funding terrorism. We cannot be defeated militarily, Russia is not willing to commit nuclear suicide, and the US is not going to back down. Iran will bend the knee, or Iran delenda est.

Have you forgotten our own State Dept ALLOWED Iran to continue building their nuke facility? AND...ok'd a $150 billion transfer under 0bama? (as the neither GOP and Dems objected?)

The Simple Ugly Truth: The Alphabet Agys and Deep State CREATED the Monsters because they work for Globalists PTB.

You can keep on swallowing the American puppets for NWO Elites' Agenda and their established 20 year old script, but the US State Dept (while married to the MSM) hasn't had an iota of cred in three decades. How can you believe anything they tell us?

Btw -- Pax Americana" has long been usurped by "Pax NWO."

The REAL "terrorists" are those in government, in Congress, in the judiciary, in the Mainstream Media who deny the US consensus of our EQUAL rights and enforcement of the border; who deny us our liberty and sovereignty; and those traitors Trump has been dealing with.

They are one and the same who've been foisting Muzzies and Illegal Invaders upon us; "transgender," "White Privilege," "Toxic Masculinity," "War on Women," as well as all the other MSM/Government tropes that demonize the rest of us.

Figure it out, Vic.

Any war with Iran will be yet on more BS war that kills people, enriches the elites, reduces American liberty and economic independence, and distracts and divides us.

Liberator  posted on  2019-05-17   15:48:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Liberator (#4)

distracts and divides us.

We're already divided. I stand by what I said, because I believe it. The US g government is not my enemy, and by and large, American grand strategy has been s successful at preserving and extending what I believe are American interests.

Vicomte13  posted on  2019-05-22   12:50:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Vicomte13, *Neo-Lib Chickenhawk Wars* (#2) (Edited)

Iran & Syria aren't the enemy, it's Democrat & Republican globalist sellout crony capitalist banksters, FED ponzi scheme con artists, that are our greatest clear & present danger. The United States of America was destroyed by Abe Lincoln and his Log Cabin Republicans. We're all slaves now, to the D&R global crime syndicate.

Saudi-Arabia, Israel, FUKUS (France, UK, US), UAE, NATO etc... These are the ones running the show and screwing Joe & Jane Sixpack.



Ron Paul - Lake Jackson Texas Values

Hondo68  posted on  2019-05-22   14:10:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Liberator (#0)

Good post, this guy makes a lot of good points.

Doctor, heal thyself.



Ron Paul - Lake Jackson Texas Values

Hondo68  posted on  2019-05-22   14:12:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Hondo68, Liberator (#7)

Good post, this guy makes a lot of good points.

Alexis de Tocqueville: Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits, aflame with righteousness, did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.

America ceased being great when mainline churches stopped preaching the gospel and became pro-homosexual.

Tocqueville also said this about Islam: I studied the Quran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction that by and large there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad. As far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world and, though less absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion more to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself.

That pretty much sums it up.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-05-23   5:43:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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