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Title: US Supreme Court denies hearing Ron Paul 2012 aides' appeal
Source: Des Moines Register
URL Source: https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s ... iowa-kent-sorenson/3204648002/
Published: Mar 18, 2019
Author: Kelly McGowan
Post Date: 2019-03-18 18:12:56 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 952
Comments: 25

Former Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul decried the public corruption case brought in Iowa against three of his 2012 campaign staff members. Grant Rodgers/The Register

DES MOINES, Ia. — The U.S. Supreme Court has declined to hear an appeal of the felony convictions of three top staffers on Ron Paul's 2012 presidential campaign.

Campaign chairman Jesse Benton, campaign manager John Tate and deputy campaign manager Dimitri Kesari were convicted in 2016 of causing false records and campaign expenditure reports to be filed to the Federal Election Commission.

Prosecutors say the trio tried to hide $73,000 in payments to former Iowa Sen. Kent Sorenson for his endorsement of Paul.

They argue that they broke no laws when they concealed the payments through a third-party campaign vendor.

They have served their sentences but sought to clear their names of felony convictions.

The 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis upheld the convictions in May 2018.

The Supreme Court on Monday denied their request to hear the case with no comment.

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#2. To: Gatlin (#0)

Jesse Benton was a fool. And he had married RP's granddaughter too. Disappointing. He was a bright kid but was a little too clever for his own good.

RP didn't hire the most ethical chiefs of staff for his campaigns. Lew Rockwell, for instance, was one of RP's chiefs of staff. Whatever you may think of him as a writer or about the stable of libertarian writers he has assembled at the Von Mises Institute in Auburn, he would not be my first pick for a chief of staff. Not that RP is the only one in Congress with a chief of staff that is unsuited to the job.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-03-18   18:32:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Tooconservative, Deckard (#2)

Jesse Benton was a fool.

Speaking of being a fool –

Hey, Deckard …

I read that ‘libertarianism is variously defined by sources as there is no general consensus among scholars on the definition nor on how one should use the term as a historical category. Scholars generally agree that libertarianism refers to the group of political philosophies which emphasize freedom, individual liberty and voluntary association. Libertarians generally advocate a society with little or no government power.”

Is this true?

I then read that “there are many philosophical disagreements among proponents of libertarianism concerning questions of ideology, values and strategy. For instance, left-libertarians were the ones to coin the term as a synonym for anarchism. Outside of the United States, libertarianism is still synonymous with anarchism and socialism (social anarchism and libertarian socialism). Right- libertarianism, known in the United States simply as libertarianism, was coined as a synonym for classical liberalism in May 1955 by writer Dean Russell due liberals embracing progressivism and economic interventionism in the early 20th century after the Great Depression and with the New Deal. Thus, the term was co- opted in the mid-20th century to instead advocate laissez-faire capitalism and strong private property rights such as in land, infrastructure and natural resources. Hence, the main debate between the two forms of libertarianism concerns the legitimacy of private property and its meaning. Most other debates remains within right-libertarianism as abortion, capital punishment, foreign affairs, LGBT rights and immigration are non-issues for left-libertarians whereas within right-libertarianism they are debated due to their divide between cultural liberal and cultural conservative right-libertarians.”

Is this also true?

Finally, I read “that libertarians, the ground has shifted. In recent years, libertarians have been deserted by former allies left and right. We used to say that a shorthand description of libertarianism was “liberal on social issues, conservative on economic issues.” No more. So libertarians can no longer say that they are on the left on social issues and on the right on economic issues. They can say that they stand where the left used to stand on social issues and where the right used to stand on economic issues. But that is confusing.”

Wow. I can understand about it being confusing – All of that is very confusing.

Say, Deckard, what do you find confusing about libertarianism?

Tell us, please …

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-18   19:01:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Gatlin (#4)

Say, Deckard, what do you find confusing about libertarianism?

I find nothing confusing - it's simple.

However what I do find confusing is your seemingly psychotic obsession with libertarians and Ron Paul along with your abject worship of fed.gov and your consistent disdain for freedom and liberty.

You claim to be a constitutional conservative, but most of us here see you as a neo-conservative at best.

Some of your stated ideals are more in line with leftists.

Deckard  posted on  2019-03-19   5:43:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Deckard (#10)

You claim to be a constitutional conservative …

Please link to where you say I made such a claim.

… but most of us here see you as a neo-conservative at best.

The idea that any of you libertarian can see at all is amazing.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-19   6:13:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Gatlin (#14)

You claim to be a constitutional conservative …

Please link to where you say I made such a claim.

Oh - you're not one?

Thanks for admitting that.

Deckard  posted on  2019-03-19   6:17:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#19. To: Deckard (#17)

That was an utterly stupid presumptive response.

Why must you always be so childish ...

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