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Title: Six questions muslims often ask about Jesus
Source: [None]
URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuKw2x-Did8
Published: Mar 17, 2019
Author: The Christian Prince
Post Date: 2019-03-17 23:39:01 by A K A Stone
Keywords: None
Views: 130
Comments: 15

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#1. To: Tooconservative, nolu chan, pinguinite, redleghunter, paraclete, gatlin, liberator (#0)

Intelligent talk on the subject. If you have the time you will learn from this guy.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-03-17   23:42:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: A K A Stone (#0)

And this one: Here are six questions that followers of Islam, and others, often ask about Jesus...

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-17   23:44:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Vicomte13 (#0)

I think you would enjoy this. If you have the time.

Peace.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-03-17   23:46:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: A K A Stone (#0) (Edited)

There are six questions answered in this article: Has the Bible been changed from its original? Does God say that one religion will replace another: Judaism, then Christianity, then Islam? Is it not blasphemy to say God has a Son? Did Jesus die on a cross? If Jesus died on a cross, was God dead for 3 days? Why not view Jesus as a prophet?

Let me have a go at this Has the Bible been changed from its original? No, the Bible has not changed, the text has been varified, howevr a number of people have attempted translations but essentially these translations all say the same thing, namely, belief in Jesus is the only way to salvation Does God say that one religion will replace another: Judaism, then Christianity, then Islam? Judaism is a covenant between God and the Jewish people, it is called the Law. Christianity is a different covenant between God and all people, a covenant of grace through Jesus Christ. Islam is not a covenant and therefore does not replace either Judaism or Christianity Is it not blasphemy to say God has a Son? No God himself revealed this to us when he said this is my beloved son in whom I am well please so how can God utter a blasphemy and to attribute blasphemy to God is in itself blasphemy, thus Islam is a blasphemy Did Jesus die on a cross? Yes this is attested to by the Bible, the Romans and other writers If Jesus died on a cross, was God dead for 3 days? God, the Father, was not dead, he is eternal. Jesus lay in the grave for three days and was ressurected Why not view Jesus as a prophet? because you cannot gain salvation through a prophet, but Jesus was far more than prophet so do not diminish him. The death of Jesus was the pivotal point in history point to suggest otherwise is to fail to understand his importance

paraclete  posted on  2019-03-18   1:22:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: paraclete (#4)

If you watch some of the video. You will see that he says to the Muslims. Oh your book has errors. Because in the Koran it says that allah also wrote the Scriptures.

I can't explain it like this guy can.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-03-18   7:39:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: paraclete (#5)

More.

Of course Mohammed had nothing to do with writing the Bible.

The "Christian Prince" shows how the Muslims say that there god has no hands and isn't in human form.

I can't explain it good.

He shows what a crock of shit the Koran is. I know we already know that. But he can read arabic or whatever language the Koran is in. And he takes you through it to show you how Muslims are lying sacks of shit.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-03-18   7:42:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: All, paraclete, A K A Stone, Vicomte13, redleghunter, Gatlin, Liberator (#4)

Why not view Jesus as a prophet? because you cannot gain salvation through a prophet, but Jesus was far more than prophet so do not diminish him.

You are brushing up against a point not often discussed.

If Jesus was a prophet of Islam (as they insist), then he was a prophet in many ways nearly as revered as Muhammad. You see this when they say piously "Jesus, blessed be his name", often at every mention of his name. Among the recognized prophets of Islam, Jesus ranks as #2, right behind Muhammad. At least, that is my understanding.

The Koran relates that there is a prophet for every faith community. The hadith (unverified oral sayings of Muhammad) relate that there are over 124,000 prophets of Islam total but only 313 are considered of the highest rank, so-called "Messengers". We would probably call them "major prophets". When the Koran calls any person a "messenger", they are automatically considered a major prophet.

So who are these known "messenger prophets"? Many of them are drawn from the Old Testament writings and a few from the New Testament and all have different Arabic names in the Koran.

  1. Adam
  2. Enoch
  3. Noah
  4. Eber
  5. Salah
  6. Abraham
  7. Lot
  8. Ishmael
  9. Isaac
  10. Jacob
  11. Joseph
  12. Job
  13. Jethro
  14. Moses
  15. Aaron
  16. Ezekiel
  17. David
  18. Solomon
  19. Elijah
  20. Elisha
  21. Jonah
  22. Zechariah
  23. John the Baptist
  24. Jesus
  25. Paraclete (Muhammad)

The passages in the New Testament relating to "Paraclete" are claimed by Muslims to refer to Muhammad, an Advocate to come after Jesus, prophesied by Jesus himself. Naturally, orthodox Christians insist these are references only to the Holy Spirit.

In this way, Islam lays claim to the major figures of both Jewish and Christian scripture and dovetail them into a line of succession of messenger-prophets to various faith communities or nations until the final prophet, Muhammad, is sent by Allah as a messenger-prophet to all mankind, to the jinn and to all of Creation. There are key distinctions in Islam between law-bearing prophets and purely spiritual prophets. The messages brought by law-bearing prophets are endowed with the force of real-world law in the form of sharia law. So that is where the prophets become sharia law in the modern world.

In addition to the ~124,000 prophets and the select group of 313 known as Messengers (messenger-prophets sent to various communities/nations), many Muslims recognize certain holy persons as saints, much as saints are recognized in Christianity. This recognition is not universal as Salafists and Wahhabists do not recognize the status of saint. There are some Islamic scholars who do believe that Mary, mother of Jesus, and Asiya, a wife of a pharaoh, were both prophets because they had attained a spiritual perfection but they are the only women ever mentioned as possible prophets and it is still debated whether they are minor prophets or not.

In addition, in some strains of Islam, the known descendants of Muhammad are considered saints and apparently, there is an equivalent school of saints among the Shi'ites for the descendants of Ali ibn Abi Talib. Ali was, according to the Shi'a, the founder of Shi'a Islam and was Muhammad's first cousin and the first male convert to Islam. This is why Shi'ites have a theological we-wuz-robbed-of-our-monarchy problem with the Sunnis, who selected Mohammad's successor(s) in what became Sunni Islam. The Shi'a and the Sunni have been rival strains of Islam ever since. Persons who become imams or major religious scholars in Islam can most often trace their ancestral lineage back to Muhammad or Ali or the various ancient caliphs or prophets or recognized ancient holy persons. Muslims with this ancestry are generally selected as the leaders of mosques even if they do not become scholars or imams. In Islam, it really pays to come from a "good family".

Anyway, I thought a little overview of this matter of Islamic prophets, messengers, saints and various holy people of Islam was worth writing and that someone here might like reading it. I know redleghunter knows a lot more about Islam than I do so maybe he'd like to offer a little more commentary.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-03-18   8:00:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A K A Stone, Liberator (#1)

Intelligent talk on the subject. If you have the time you will learn from this guy.

I like his conversational style overall but it would be a better video if he condensed his talking points and organized his talk better. Certainly, I think he could have covered the same material in 45 minutes instead of 2 hours.

He is an interesting guy though. He reminds me of Dr. Anis Shorrosh, an Arab Christian (Baptist, as I recall, a Pali Christian who came from Nazareth, as he says, "a guy from Jesus' hometown") who has made a mark in formally debating theology with recognized Islamic scholars, along with their distribution on well-regarded mainstream Islamic websites. This is an Arab Christian who is knowledgeable about Islam and a good debater. And he relishes the debate, much as the Islamic scholars do who debate him.

Here is a list of Christian scholars in debates with Islamic scholars on various topics.

Islamicity.com: IslamiCity > Multimedia > CyberTV > Ch 21

One of these videos listed is Anis Shorrosh debating the divinity of Jesus with an Islamic scholar, Dr. Jamal Badawi. It is titled "The Divinity Of Jesus". He also later debated the same scholar in a video on the Quran.

YouTube: The Holy Quran: Word Of God Or Word Of Muhammad? - Dr. Jamal Badawi V.S. Dr. Anis Shorrosh

Here's an embedded copy of it from YouTube; Badawi is pictured in the video thumbnail. Other videos showing Shorrosh debating Muslim scholars in conversational modern Arabic are also available, however, Shorrosh is not considered a classical Arabic language scholar, as many of the Muslim scholars are.

This is very meaty, solid debate, very Arabic in style with the crisp pointed language and the attempts to vanquish the opponent with a pointed argument that they can't answer adequately. It's kind of an Arab thing culturally. They love to stick it to the other guy publicly. It lasts almost 3 hours. The Muslims hate Shorrosh, as you can see from the comments they put on the thread.

Another interesting character that likes to take the debate to the Muslims is Walid Shoebat, another Pali Arab Christian. (Since this is LF and a few people hate him here, I thought I'd mention that Congressman Amash from Michigan is also a Pali Christian whose mother converted to Christianity from Islam.) You can search out Shoebat's website and videos for some decent content.

Here is Walid Shoebat at 2008 Southern California Prophecy Conference speaking on the subject of the end times, the mark of the Beast and the Antichrist. Overall, the Apocalypse and the role of Islam within it according to Shoebat's interpretation. He's prepared to argue it at length. Great length since it's another long video at 3 hours, 25 minutes.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-03-18   11:11:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: A K A Stone (#6)

He can read arabic or whatever language the Koran is in. And he takes you through it to show you how Muslims are lying sacks of shit.

All well and good. I appreciate that this guy is reinforcing the truth of the matter as well as your above brief.

The info is however redundant.

Liberator  posted on  2019-03-18   12:35:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Liberator, A K A Stone (#9)

The info is however redundant.

It's not bad material that he presents. He just needs to learn to stop beating that horse once it's already dead. LOL

He should condense his remarks more. He had a fair amount of just dead mic time in his video as he gathered his thoughts to continue, like he really didn't have notes or a strict list of topics and info to present. Like he was mostly just winging it in front of a microphone. He needs to work from notes and keep a brisker pace. I did like his overall conversational style and he does have a distinctly Arab cultural style which I like.

Of course, it has occurred to me that since he is anonymous, this could be a fake critic of Islam, just grabbing some free Patreon money. And I don't doubt that he is making some money with his videos and books. But he doesn't seem to be feigning his positions just so he can cash in as a YouBoob critic of Islam. So I don't lean toward thinking he's a con man. If I were him, I'd certainly be cautious about my identity since Muslims can get very violent with any criticism from Christians, more so if he lives in the Mideast. It does seem that he avoids some of the most inflammatory conflicts between Islam and Christianity, probably out of caution. I'd be interested to know more about his background, like where does he live currently, did he grow up in the Middle East, what his own religion is, is he anonymous out of fear of Muslim reprisal, etc.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-03-18   15:18:53 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Tooconservative, hank rearden (#10)

This one came out about 4 hrs ago. It's 20 min.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-03-18   16:42:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: paraclete, liberator, Jameson (#11)

2:45

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-03-18   16:53:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A K A Stone (#11)

I chuckle when I think of how angry the Muzzies get over a guy with a neo-Crusader YouTube nickname like Christian Prince.

"Furious" would be understating it, I think.LOL

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-03-18   17:12:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A K A Stone (#11)

This one came out about 4 hrs ago. It's 20 min.

Your vid's thumbnail disappeared, usually a sign that it got pulled by YouBoob's minions in the censorship sweatshop.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-03-18   22:01:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Yeah encounter these troll questions on another site.

They can all be answered by offering the trollish Muslims to actually read the Bible.

Their questions are a step below what the trollish anti-theists usually ask.

redleghunter  posted on  2019-03-18   22:43:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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