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Title: Rape Charges Dropped Against Cops Who Admitted to Sex With Teen They Kidnapped
Source: Free Thought Project
URL Source: https://thefreethoughtproject.com/a ... rs-kidnapping-charges-dropped/
Published: Mar 7, 2019
Author: Matt Agorist
Post Date: 2019-03-08 05:47:58 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 3279
Comments: 44

New York, NY — It has been over a year since then 18-year-old Anna Chambers accused two on-duty NYPD officers of raping her in the back of a police van on the night of September 15th, 2017. As emphatically as she claims she was raped and did not consent to having sex with two police officers, she asserts not only have the police continued to attempt to intimidate her but the very justice system she looked to for help was set up to help the alleged rapists. Now, her claims have been proven correct.

Both of the officers, Eddie Martins and Richard Hall had faced up to 25 years in prison on the original rape and kidnapping charges, But this week, they had all those charges dropped. Because the system is set up in a way to protect predator police officers, the charges have been reduced to bribery and official misconduct. They have both since been released on their own recognizance.

“It’s just outrageous,” said Chambers’ lawyer, Michael David. “It was a clear-cut case. She was kidnapped. There was DNA evidence,” he said.

After Chambers’ case garnered national attention, New York lawmakers were forced to pass a bill last year banning cops from having sex with people they arrest. Up until last April, cops in New York could have sex with people in custody, so long as they claimed it was consensual. And that’s exactly what happened in this case.

Both officers kidnapped Chambers in 2017 for allegedly possessing marijuana. The cops conveniently let all of her friends go, and kept only the tiny teen girl.

As TFTP reported, Chambers used social media to voice her outcry for justice. She stated she was never actually arrested, just dropped off near the police station after she says Hall and Martins had their way with her, both men raping her while she was still in handcuffs.

Her friends were also told she was being arrested and could be picked up at the NYPD station. They were also allegedly told not to follow the van, a possible indication they had planned the rape beforehand.

After she was raped in the police van and went to the hospital afterward, nine cops allegedly showed up to harass and threaten her.

“They came with nine cops to intimidate her and her mom, to discourage them from coming forward and reporting the rape and sex assault,” attorney Michael David, told The Post.

The officers accused Chambers of making a false report, and suggested that she had made accusations against cops in the past, which she has not.

“Anna said [the officer] was trying to manipulate a rubber band over his name tag, so she couldn’t see who it was,” David said.

“He kept saying to Anna and her mom, ‘How do you know they were real cops?’ ” David said.

“You don’t know what you’re talking about. Your daughter doesn’t know what she’s talking about,” the officer allegedly said.

The harassment expanded later as Corey Guskin, 59, who works for the city, was captured on video harassing the teen over the incident. Because it was caught on video, he was officially charged.

The law cops were using to protect themselves from Anna’s testimony happens to exist in 34 other states as well where police officers can claim sex with someone they have taken into custody was consensual. Buzzfeed News described the previous situation in New York:

It was one of 35 states where armed law enforcement officers can evade sexual assault charges by claiming that such an encounter — from groping to intercourse — was consensual.

The fact that this was legal at all speaks to the nature of the sadistic above the law attitudes of police officers.

While the same standard passed in this bill already existed in jails and police stations, before its passage, police could rape someone in their custody, claim it was consensual and then get off with a slap on the wrist misconduct charge instead of felony rape—which happens to be the case with Chambers’ attackers.

As Chambers’ lawyer said on Wednesday, “You can’t have consent, when you have two cops on duty. These are two cops over six feet, over two hundred pounds.”

“She is 5-foot-2, 90 pounds,” he added of Chambers, who did not attend Wednesday’s court hearing, according to the NY Post.

“They have guns, they have handcuffs. You can’t have consent under those circumstances.”

We agree. When armed individuals chain a person’s hands and kidnap them, there is no reasonable manner in which that person could consent to having sex. Even if there was no struggle and the arrested person goes along with police demands, when you are under duress and kidnapped against your will, there is no consenting.  

As Buzzfeed reported at the time, in a sample of 158 police officers who’ve been charged with sexual assault, sexual battery, or unlawful sexual contact with somebody under their control, at least 26 have been acquitted or had charges dropped based on the consent defense, according to a Buzzfeed review of a Buffalo News database of more than 700 law enforcement officers accused of sexual misconduct.

These numbers are indeed startling.

“Cultural shifts happen, but what we need to see is a policy shift,” said Terra Burns, an advocate in Alaska who has worked to expand police sexual assault laws. “There’s a long entrenched history of institutionalized rape culture that has to change.”

Indeed, one need only browse through our archives to see the brutal reality that is police sexual misconduct. Arguably, the reason it is so pervasive is the fact that, like these two NYPD cops illustrate, they can get away with it with little to no consequences.


Poster Comment:

The law cops were using to protect themselves from Anna’s testimony happens to exist in 34 other states as well where police officers can claim sex with someone they have taken into custody was consensual. Buzzfeed News described the previous situation in New York:

It was one of 35 states where armed law enforcement officers can evade sexual assault charges by claiming that such an encounter — from groping to intercourse — was consensual.

The fact that this was legal at all speaks to the nature of the sadistic above the law attitudes of police officers.

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

Yet the politicians and the cretins that habituate that open cess pool known as NYC presume to lecture the rest of America on how to live.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2019-03-08   8:16:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#0)

… lawmakers were forced to pass a bill …
… forced … FORCED … ?

Lawmakers can be FORCED to pass a bill?

Hey, Deckard, tell everyone how this FORCING works?

If this can happen and did happen as this TFTP article so boldly and emphatically states it did,
then this heretofore unknown political shenanigan is a political mechanism Trump can use.

Wow …

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-08   8:53:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Gatlin (#2)

Yeah - I guess the public outrage by disgusted citizens was enough to persuade New York lawmakers to put an end to this reprehensible "tactic".

Apparently even in New York, some politicians do have a basic understanding of right and wrong.

Of course there are some here at LF who believe cops need to have free-reign to do whatever they want without any repercussions.

That your only comment is one that makes light of a teen who was handcuffed and raped by cops, I would put you in that category.

Computer Hope

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-03-08   9:26:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Deckard (#3) (Edited)

Yeah - I guess the public outrage by disgusted citizens was enough to persuade New York lawmakers to put an end to this reprehensible "tactic".
Ahem …

You “guess” eh?

This will undoubtedly will come as a severe shock to you to learn that while a “guess” happens far too often in a “libertarian’s world” - hard-core “facts” are most important in the “real world.”

Please, Deckard, at some time in your life – learn it live in the real world and deal in facts and not guesses.

Your turn now ...

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-08   9:51:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Gatlin (#4)

The cops sure didn't want this new law.

Apparently neither do you.

Computer Hope

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-03-08   9:55:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Deckard (#5)

The cops sure didn't want this new law.
… “sure” …

How do you know this?

Apparently neither do you.
I never stated that or in any way indicated that “I did not want this new law.”

What did I state?

I will repeat my post and if you still do not understand it – then you may ask hondope to help you.

TFTP:
… lawmakers were forced to pass a bill …
Gatlin:

… forced … FORCED … ?

Lawmakers can be FORCED to pass a bill?

Hey, Deckard, tell everyone how this FORCING works?

If this can happen and did happen as this TFTP article so boldly and emphatically states it did,
then this heretofore unknown political shenanigan is a political mechanism Trump can use.

Wow …

"A learning disability in reading comprehension affects the learner's ability to understand the meaning of words and passages."

You really need to work on your problem.

Your turn now ...

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-08   10:42:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Deckard (#0)

"... and kept only the tiny teen girl.

Here's the "tiny teen girl":

She's 18. She wasn't kidnapped -- she was arrested for possessing marijuana, prozac pills and klonopin. She offered to exchange sex for dropping the charges.

Nothing was illegal.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-03-08   11:51:41 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Deckard (#6) (Edited)

Your turn now ...
Since you are busy and cannot respond to my post, I will therefore continue and you can catch up later.

Moving along …

The article mentions a charge of:

… bribery …
… BRIBERY … ?

Bribery is defined as “the crime of giving someone money or something else of value, often illegally, to persuade that person to do something you want.”

So, Deckard, if these cops gave Anna “money or something else of value, often NOT illegal, to persuade her to do something that wanted” and if she did it – then pray tell how could that have been considered “rape” in the first place?

“Official Misconduct” – Yes.
“Rape” – No way.

Please learn some day to stop posting this TFTP yellow journalism shit.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-08   13:39:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: misterwhite (#7)

Since they uncuffed her and let her go before arriving at the police station,
one can easily surmise that she may have decided to give each of them a
“free one” to let her go….and they did.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-08   13:52:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Gatlin (#9)

she may have decided to give each of them a “free one” to let her go

A perk of the job. Given that it involved consenting adults, I'm surprised anyone on this forum would object.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-03-08   14:55:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: misterwhite (#10)

Did you appreciate the Crocodile Dundee clip I added as a visual aid?

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-08   16:03:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Deckard (#11)

But this week, they had all those charges dropped.
Of course all those charges were dropped.
Because the system is set up in a way to protect predator police officers.
Now that is pure Matt Agorist and TFTP flowery yellow-journalism BULLSHIT. This “because” statement is hogwash used to shroud and hide in darkness the “real” reason the DA dropped all charges. Matt Agorist is hiding the obvious reason here that he definitely had access to. Which was that the DA dropped the charges for “insufficient evidence” because all the DA had was a case of “she said.”

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-08   16:22:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: All (#12)

But this week, they had all those charges dropped. Because the system is set up in a way to protect predator police officers.

Nope, it key among the reasons the prosecution cited for asking to be replaced is Chambers’s credibility as a witness. In its letter to the judge, the district attorney’s office claimed that Chambers, who was 18 at the time of the rape, made “a series of false, misleading, and inconsistent statements about the facts of this case and about collateral or unrelated matters.” The letter continued, “Most troubling, she made some false statements under oath.” The prosecutors cite Chambers’s “hostility” to their office and note that due to her “false, misleading and inconsistent statements … legal requirements prohibit us from calling her to testify under oath.”

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-08   16:38:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Deckard (#3)

The cops sure didn't want this new law.

You don’t know that.

But an intelligent person knows there’s a definite risk in thinking that a legislative reform such as the passage of S7708 will deliver justice to future survivors of police sexual assault. A risk that occurs in the broader mistake of conflating law with justice. It is entirely possible It’s feasible that had the law already been on the books at the time of Chambers’ alleged rape, then her alleged assaulters would never have admitted to sex on duty as a defense. They could just as easily claimed that the sex occurred off-duty and yet again a grimy he-said-she-said of so many sexual assaults would have ensued.

So what there is here, Deckard - is just another worthless law. Something I understood you to be definitely against in you crusade against government.

You are some complex and mixed up individual completely incapable of thinking clearly and properly rationalizing.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-08   17:30:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: misterwhite (#7)

she was arrested for possessing marijuana, prozac pills and klonopin. She offered to exchange sex for dropping the charges.

Nothing was illegal.

So prostitution and bribery is legal in New York?

I didn't know that.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-03-08   19:58:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Pinguinite, misterwhite (#15) (Edited)

misterwhite:

… She offered to exchange sex for dropping the charges.

Nothing was illegal.

Pinguinite:
So prostitution and bribery is legal in New York?
Prostitution and bribery is not legal in New York.

New York has laws against both buying and selling sex. In New York, a person commits the crime of prostitution by engaging in (or offering or agreeing to engage in) any sex act in return for a fee. [Repeat: For a “FEE”]. New York’s prostitution law applies only to people who “sell sex.” [Repeat: Sell sex”]. People who buy sex can be convicted of patronizing.

She was not “selling sex” for a “fee” and “bartering” is not “bribery.” The police officers were not “buying” sex so they were not “patronizing.”

There was no prostitution or bribery and what she did was legal in New York.

She was doing “sexual bartering” — Defined as: “When one person agrees to do a sexual act in exchange for something they want.”

Pinguinite:

I didn't know that.
And you now know that it is as misterwhite stated: “Nothing was illegal.”

Footnote: If you ever want to have sex in New York and not be entrapped into committing an unlawful act – Then do “Sexual bartering.” She gives you sex and you give her a $100 Walmart gift card. Smart, Eh? I thought so.

Disclaimer: This post was presented for informational purposes only and there is to be np response.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-08   22:54:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Deckard (#3)

Of course there are some here at LF who believe cops need to have free-reign to do whatever they want without any repercussions.

That your only comment is one that makes light of a teen who was handcuffed and raped by cops, I would put you in that category.

I find when there is insufficient supporting evidence to support an accusation, I descried it as "unsubstantiated."

You have made an “unsubstantiated” statement – A “false allegation.”

I fully realize that a false allegation can occur as the result of intentional lying on the part of the accuser; or unintentionally, due to a confabulation arising spontaneously due to mental illness.

I am really not in a position to decide which of these apply to you. But if I were pressed, I would probably go with the latter.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-08   23:07:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Gatlin, misterwhite, Deckard (#16)

The hypocrisy that you and mw exhibit on this thread exceeds even liberal demos attitude toward Trump. It is really disturbing to see.

You happily rubber stamp the death of any one who is merely accused of criminal acts ... so long as they don't wear a blue uniform. Add blue uniform, and presto... they can do no wrong whatsoever.

So now you are on the mw's bandwagon suggesting that cops can rightly be paid sexual favors in exchange for not arresting and filing charges against women when they have a good-faith belief / probable cause that they committed crimes and that it is legally and, no doubt, morally justifiable for them to do this.

What planet are you from again???

And of course, I'm not even conceding that what the cops did was ONLY what mw claims. I was just responding to mw in the terms he advocated took place. This woman, if the above is an actual photo of her, is certainly a hot woman. I guess to you that automatically makes her forfeit any rights as to what men do to her body. Excuse me... I guess not just any men, but male cops. Or why not female cops too? THEY can do whatever the hell they want with any sexy woman and it's okay, including while the woman is handcuffed. Because they are cops.

It's truly types like you that completely lack any and all integrity whatsoever when you rubber stamp criminal and highly immoral activity just because the perps wear blue uniforms.

Whatever your criticism is of Deckard for hating cops, criticism which I think is excessive, you go much farther in the other direction LOVING them. Of course, "cop" meaning "any person who wears a blue law enforcement uniform". It could be an ISIS member or Hillary Clinton and you'd still offer blind defense to the contents of the blue cloth.

It's the reason I have you on bozo, but I only saw your post because I was logged out. You are plainly and irrevocably stupid.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-03-09   4:24:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Gatlin (#17)

That was one of the most bizarre weirdo posts I've ever seen.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-03-09   9:18:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Pinguinite (#18)

This woman, if the above is an actual photo of her, is certainly a hot woman. I guess to you that automatically makes her forfeit any rights as to what men do to her body.

The photo was to counter the claim that she was some innocent, little, "teenage" girl.

Get off the "pound me too" bandwagon and admit that women DO use sex to get what they want.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-03-09   9:40:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Gatlin (#11)

Did you appreciate the Crocodile Dundee clip I added as a visual aid?

A blast from the past.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-03-09   9:42:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A K A Stone (#19)

That was one of the most bizarre weirdo posts I've ever seen.

But where was it wrong?

TELL ME, PLEASE.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-09   10:03:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: misterwhite (#20)

The photo was to counter the claim that she was some innocent, little, "teenage" girl.

Get off the "pound me too" bandwagon and admit that women DO use sex to get what they want.

....AND....???

Should these cops be on the police force????

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-03-09   10:12:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Pinguinite (#23)

Should these cops be on the police force????

You're doing 60 in a 40 and get pulled over. You broke the law. You know you broke the law. You give the cop a sob story and he lets you off with a warning.

Should that cop be on the police force????

misterwhite  posted on  2019-03-09   10:19:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: misterwhite (#24)

You're doing 60 in a 40 and get pulled over. You broke the law. You know you broke the law. You give the cop a sob story and he lets you off with a warning.

Should that cop be on the police force????

Well, that is a very good point.

So.... handcuffing and raping a woman accused of a crime is perfectly acceptable behavior on the part of a uniformed cop.

Thanks for chiming in with your most excellent rebuttal.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-03-09   10:23:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Pinguinite (#18) (Edited)

The hypocrisy that you and mw exhibit on this thread exceeds even liberal demos attitude toward Trump. It is really disturbing to see.

You are once again grossly mistaken. There was definitely no hypocrisy since there was no claim to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform. I can understand why truth is disturbing to you, but it is something you must try and learn to accept and live with.

You happily rubber stamp the death of any one who is merely accused of criminal acts ... so long as they don't wear a blue uniform. Add blue uniform, and presto... they can do no wrong whatsoever.

Such an instance of exaggerating a whopper and a gross overstatement is worthy of causing shame and disgrace. With your outlook and mentality, I can truly expect you to now progress to pervasive misuse of violent and self-deprecating expressions. The “happily” thing I do is kick libertarian ass on this forum and I show no mercy in my undertaking.

So now you are on the mw's bandwagon suggesting that cops can rightly be paid sexual favors in exchange for not arresting and filing charges against women when they have a good-faith belief / probable cause that they committed crimes and that it is legally and, no doubt, morally justifiable for them to do this.

I am on nobody’s bandwagon and in no way do I suggest any such thing. What I did was to factually answer your “tongue-in-cheek” question by presenting facts and I will happily repeat the facts here for everyone to see.

Pinguinite:

So prostitution and bribery is legal in New York?
Gatlin:
Prostitution and bribery is not legal in New York.

New York has laws against both buying and selling sex. In New York, a person commits the crime of prostitution by engaging in (or offering or agreeing to engage in) any sex act in return for a fee. [Repeat: For a “FEE”]. New York’s prostitution law applies only to people who “sell sex.” [Repeat: Sell sex”]. People who buy sex can be convicted of patronizing.

She was not “selling sex” for a “fee” and “bartering” is not “bribery.” The police officers were not “buying” sex so they were not “patronizing.”

There was no prostitution or bribery and what she did was legal in New York.

She was doing “sexual bartering” — Defined as: “When one person agrees to do a sexual act in exchange for something they want.”

And you now know that it is as misterwhite stated: “Nothing was illegal.”

Footnote: If you ever want to have sex in New York and not be entrapped into committing an unlawful act – Then do “Sexual bartering.” She gives you sex and you give her a $100 Walmart gift card. Smart, Eh? I thought so.

Continuing on …

What planet are you from again???

Ah, when all else is failing then revert to sarcasm.

The word sarcasm is derived from the Greek word “sarkazein” which literally means “to tear or strip the flesh off.” It has been shown that the use of sarcasm is a subtle form of bullying and most bullies are angry, insecure, cowards.

Alternatively, it is when a person stops voicing negative comments, especially sarcastic and critical ones, that person soon starts to feel happier and more self-confident. So, are you now feeling happier and gained some needed self- confidence?

Let us hope so …

And of course, I'm not even conceding that what the cops did was ONLY what mw claims.
Your statement makes no sense or I missed something. I see nowhere that misterwhite “claimed” anything.

I only see a statement of fact when misterwhite posted that “nothing was illegal” when “she offered to exchange sex for dropping the charges.” And I proceeded to show you that under NY law tht misterwhite was correct in his assessment.

I was just responding to mw in the terms he advocated took place.

I have no idea what you were trying to do. I only know that you definitely made a ass of yourself.

This woman, if the above is an actual photo of her, is certainly a hot woman.

Sexist.

I guess to you that automatically makes her forfeit any rights as to what men do to her body. Excuse me... I guess not just any men, but male cops ...

You sure do lots of “guessing” for someone who passes himself of as an educated person.

Pinguinite, you misguided child, you need to not “guess” – you need learn to “mean” after you know facts.

THEY can do whatever the hell they want with any sexy woman and it's okay, including while the woman is handcuffed. Because they are cops.

That’s pure bullshit. I will not take time to reply to such a ridiculous statement you perhaps captured from a TFTP yellow journalism article.

It's truly types like you that completely lack any and all integrity whatsoever when you rubber stamp criminal and highly immoral activity just because the perps wear blue uniforms.

You keep coming back to this irrational conclusion. I rubber stamped no criminal and highly immoral activity. I merely documented and validated misterwhite’s already true statement. Furthermore, I will never pass judgment or arrive at any conclusion on information I took from a yellow journalism article. And a hex on you for you shamefully doing just that.

You are plainly and irrevocably stupid.

That coming from a kooky libertarian – a narrow-minded person that will never let facts win arguments – and someone who blindly continues to maintain substantive disagreements with actualities is as fine a compliment I have ever received and one I can wear as a badge of honor.

I showed you facts and in return you again showed me what a Paultard libertarian asshole you can be – which was a total waste of time on both our parts simply because it was something I already knew. You definitely will never let truth get in the way of what you intend to believe.

So pitiful …

t's the reason I have you on bozo, but I only saw your post because I was logged out.
I am going to call you out on this. You are either a damned liar or you cannot correctly write a computer program.

Before you made your last post to me:

Bozo Rank: Number of Full and/or Introductory members who have bozo'd [Gatln]: 12
After you made your last post to me:
Bozo Rank: Number of Full and/or Introductory members who have bozo'd [Gatln]: 13
The base number has always been 12 ever since I returned to post here. From time to time it has moved up and down to 13, 14 and back and forth when Fred, Bucky and you stated you were placing me on bozo.

But as of late [more than two weeks] that number remained at 12.

How do I know this?

Because I cannot post videos and some links using this browser. So I many times must switch to IE to do that. And each time I do, I simply go look at the bozo number.

I did a check when I posted the video to misterwhite. The number was 12 and it had been there for some time.

So, Pinguinite, you flat out LIED. It doesn’t matter whether anyone else believes you did or not. What matters is that you and I definitely know that you LIED. You seem to have no problem doing that, so I will not either. It only now means that each time I see the screen name “Pinguinite” on this forum – I can correctly and forever see a pseudonym for “LIAR.”

A question that you will never answer since you definitely have me on bozo but one I will ask anyway is: Why did you feel it necessary to lie about such a trivial thing?

Which leads me to wonder that when you lie on such an insignificant matter, how can you ever be trusted when addressing important matters.

Pondering …

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-09   10:38:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A K A Stone (#22)

That was one of the most bizarre weirdo posts I've ever seen.

But where was it wrong?

TELL ME, PLEASE.

You will please let me know where anything in the post was incorrect.

Yes?

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-09   10:50:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Gatlin (#26)

You got some 12-13 people who'v bozo'd you????

WOW!!! I never dreamed anyone would get that many blocks. Not even you. That's incredible! But I do assure you that I am one of those who have. You are off at the moment for this outlandish defense of these cops, for whom there seems to be irrefutable evidence that they had sex with a woman whom they arrested, while she was in their legal law-enforcement custody. Amazing.

And that says it all. I started reading your post. I like the part where you proudly claim you "kick libertarian ass" here, mainly by reposting shallow articles articles from elsewhere. Reposting seems to be your forte as you seem incapable of expressing logical criticism on your own.

I didn't get much farther though, going into skim mode on the rest. I guess the reason I've put you on bozo and not mw is because when mw gets called on things after he digs himself into a hole, he at least seems to slow down in his digging whereas you seem to pick up the pace. You certainly did that here.

Since I didn't find reason to do more than skim your previous post, there's little point in waiting for your next one. So... goodbye.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-03-09   10:55:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Pinguinite (#28) (Edited)

He supports cops fucking on the clock. Indecent exposure on a car. Theft of taxpayer money for not doing his job. And being able to rape your defendant under duress. Some weirdo shit.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-03-09   11:05:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Pinguinite (#28)

You got some 12-13 people who'v bozo'd you????

WOW!!! I never dreamed anyone would get that many blocks. Not even you. That's incredible!

Yes, that number is carried forward from day one of the forum - but you know that.

I’ll admit it is a surprising number. For I too never realized that so many could care so little about learning the truth.

But I do assure you that I am one of those who have.
I believe it. I just saw where you NOW did it AGAIN.

But I definitely know that you LIED when you said you had me on bozo when we started this last exchange.

Explain this if you can – Why did you place me on bozo and still exchange comments with me?

Furthermore, you stated:

The hypocrisy that you and mw exhibit on this thread …
And now you are posting to me.

You need to please explain your version of hypocrisy and the purpose of bozo. I can understand your confusion with hypocrisy. But I fail to understand why you place someone on bozo and continue to exchange posts with that person.

You do that and you have the audacity to state to me:

You are plainly and irrevocably stupid.
Hmmm – Pot calling the kettle black! Eh?
I guess the reason I've put you on bozo ..
“There you go again” – as Ronald Regan so aptly said – “guessing.”

That has to be the third, fourth, or fifth time you have “guessed” during our exchange. Can’t you ever get anything factually correct? It definitely appears not.

Since I didn't find reason to do more than skim your previous post, there's little point in waiting for your next one. So... goodbye.
Wait. Does this “goodbye” mean you are going to bozo a person you already have on bozo?

Hot Damn – A double bozo. Just WOW.

I have no problem with you not reading and responding to my posts since it in no way interferes with me continuing to post to you and showing the wrongs of your libertarian ways.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-09   11:29:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: A K A Stone, Pinguinite (#29) (Edited)

He supports cops fucking on the clock …

I could easily be really nasty here and say that you are a god damned fucking son-of-bitch liar.

But I will not.

Instead I will respectfully say that you are wrong – dead wrong.

For I have supported nothing.

I only showed what the law stated.

The “support” is shirt you created in your mind from not being able to correctly understand.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-09   11:32:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: A K A Stone (#29)

He supports cops ....

You could add anything whatsoever after those first 3 words, and it would still be true.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-03-09   11:38:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Pinguinite (#25)

So.... handcuffing and raping a woman accused of a crime is perfectly acceptable behavior on the part of a uniformed cop.

Are you stating that's what actually happened here or are you posing a hypothetical?

misterwhite  posted on  2019-03-09   11:43:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Gatlin (#30)

But I fail to understand why you place someone on bozo and continue to exchange posts with that person.

I'll use the Pelosi defense: "I think Pinguinite has a different experience in the use of words, doesn't understand that some of them are fraught with meaning."

Or he's a hypocrite. And a douche.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-03-09   11:49:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Pinguinite, A KA A Stone (#32)

He supports cops ....

You could add anything whatsoever after those first 3 words, and it would still be true.

Okay, add:

He supports "law and order" both before and after it became a powerful conservative theme in the U.S. in the 1960s. When the one of the leading proponents at that time was Republican Ronald Reagan (as governor of California). Ronald Reagan used it to dissolve a liberal consensus about crime that involved federal court decisions and a pushback against illegal drugs and violent gang activity. Also as a cornerstone suppot for those who were concerned about increasing crimes.

You want more “adds” …

I can easily go on.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-09   11:50:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Gatlin (#31) (Edited)

You pretend the cops did nothing wrong. It is unlawful to fuck a suspect on duty. It amounts to rape under duress. It is abuse of authority.

You are turning a blind eye again.

I could be nasty and say your evil. But I won't. You're elderly and are probably just not understanding things correctly. Have a good day. Gotta run.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-03-09   11:52:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: misterwhite (#33)

Are you stating that's what actually happened here or are you posing a hypothetical?

According to the article, that was her allegation.

But maybe the cops, while on duty, had consensual sex with a woman they arrested.

Whatever. Go write to the appropriate channels and suggest they be given a promotion, pay raise and cop of the year award for how they handled this woman. You and Gatlin are so far beyond the pale and I don't have time for your so utterly blind loyalty.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-03-09   11:53:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: misterwhite (#34)

But I fail to understand why you place someone on bozo and continue to exchange posts with that person.

I'll use the Pelosi defense: "I think Pinguinite has a different experience in the use of words, doesn't understand that some of them are fraught with meaning."

Or he's a hypocrite. And a douche.

Yea – I go with both.

I till need to figure out about Stone.

But I am not going to waste any time on it.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-09   11:54:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Gatlin (#35)

supports "law and order"

Fucking a suspect while on duty isn't order. It is chaos and wrong.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-03-09   11:55:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: misterwhite (#34)

If you are not signed in you will see all the posts. Maybe that will help maybe not.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-03-09   11:57:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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