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Title: Hero Democrat Senator Jim Webb Urges a Halt to Senate Health Care Votes
Source: NY Times
URL Source: http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes. ... t-to-senate-health-care-votes/
Published: Jan 21, 2010
Author: David Herszenhorn
Post Date: 2010-01-21 09:00:48 by war
Keywords: None
Views: 16270
Comments: 90

Responding to the Republican victory in Massachusetts, Senator Jim Webb, Democrat of Virginia, is calling on Senate leaders to suspend any votes on the Democrats’ health care legislation until the winner in the special Senate election, Scott Brown, is sworn into office.

In a statement, Mr. Webb, who voted for the health care bill in December, congratulated Mr. Brown on his victory and said he looked forward to working with him. But he also said Democrats must take note of the wider implications of the election results.

“In many ways the campaign in Massachusetts became a referendum not only on health care reform but also on the openness and integrity of our government process,” Mr. Webb said. “It is vital that we restore the respect of the American people in our system of government and in our leaders. To that end, I believe it would only be fair and prudent that we suspend further votes on health care legislation until Senator-elect Brown is seated.”

Top Democrats have already signaled that they do not want to rush the health care legislation through the Senate before Mr. Brown can be sworn in. Instead, they are eying a backup plan to ask House Democrats to adopt the Senate health care bill as-is, which would send it directly to President Obama for his signature.

But the quick reaction by Mr. Webb, a centrist, is early evidence that Democratic leaders could find themselves struggling to hold together support for the health care measure. Backing of the bill was always tenuous, and party leaders are bracing for the possibility that Democrats who previously supported the bill may turn against it.

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#41. To: Badeye, sneakypete (#39)

Unlike 99.9% of internet posers of all stripes (hint), James Webb can back up his tough guy talk and has a chest of medals to prove it.

Badeye's response about this observation in re Webb: "Nonsense. Medals issued for 'I was there' purposes don't indicate a thing about the man wearing them, and I say that as a Veteran."

Deny you said it asshole.

gopqueefingroom.com

war  posted on  2010-01-22   9:31:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: war (#40)

And the fact that you would mis-represent what Red Ink wrote about Webb

In The Reagan Diaries, the former president wrote, "I don't think the Navy was sorry to see him go."

Certainly doesn't seem like Reagan was very admiring of the pedophile.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-01-22   9:39:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: padlock (#42)

"I don't think the Navy was sorry to see him go."

Wow...what a SCATHING indictment of the man and his service.

Certainly doesn't seem like Reagan was very admiring of the pedophile.

Didn't know Reagan knew you...

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war  posted on  2010-01-22   9:41:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Client 9 other partisan hacks (#35)

One man who sat where you do now and graduated from the Naval Academy in 1968 is another member of our administration-Assistant Secretary of Defense James Webb, the most decorated member of his class. James' gallantry as a marine officer in Vietnam won him the Navy Cross and other decorations, including two Purple Hearts. James wrote several books about American service men and women. In his book, "A Sense of Honor," he describes the life that you have chosen. He wrote:

"Servicemen are always in motion, in the air at more than the speed of sound, underwater at depths whales could only dream of, on the surface of the water cruising at 30 miles an hour through crashing seas with another ship almost touching theirs . . . replenishing their oil supplies. Or they are on the ground, in the dirt, testing and training weapons that may someday kill others but today may deal them that same irony. The smallest margin of error separates a live man from a dead man. And in war, of course, they are the first and usually the only ones to pay. The President and the Congress may suffer bad news stories. The military man suffers the deaths of his friends, early and often." End quote.

I want each of you to know that this President understands and appreciates the job that you will be doing. Your lives are precious. You are putting yourselves in harm's way for America's sake, and I will do everything in my power to make certain the country gives you the tools and equipment you need to do your job and to come home safely

-Ronald Wilson Reagan, 22nd May 1985, US Naval Academy Commencement Speech

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war  posted on  2010-01-22   9:54:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: war (#40)

1. You didnt' serve. Kiss my ass, Fraud.

2. Magic wasn't serving the military in Afghanistan you idiot. He was working for Blackwater. Kiss my ass, Fraud.

3. Reagan's quotes about Webb are in the book. You apparently haven't read it, hence the claiming I'm misrepresenting them. Kiss my ass, Fraud.

4. I didn't have to 'glean' information about anyone, Fraud. Site owners handed it to me unasked for, related to you, and you alone. Primarily because of the bullshit you posted about where you were on 9/11. Kiss my ass, Fraud.

Now run and hide behind the filter, Fraud.

Badeye  posted on  2010-01-22   10:23:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: dont eat that (#42)

Nobody that worked with Webb is, or was. He's given to petulance, to say the least.

Badeye  posted on  2010-01-22   10:24:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: war (#41)

I don't deny anything, Fraud.

Badeye  posted on  2010-01-22   10:25:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Badeye (#47)

Nothing about your service was like sneaky's or Webb's. Neither of them brag about it as much as you do. Neither of them wear it on their sleeve as much as you do.

Magic served even though his insides were rotting while you sat on your ass sipping Crown Royale and posting bullshit on the internet all day.

Yea...what honor you bring to veterans everywhere...what a fucking gleaming example you are. Revealing personal information on people simply because people are smarter than you - which you'd think you'd be used to by now - and telling lie after lie after lie after lie.

And the fact that you would mis-represent what Red Ink wrote about Webb underscores what a liar you really are and what an absolute GOP partisan hack you are with absolutely no sense of honor whatsoever.

gopqueefingroom.com

war  posted on  2010-01-22   10:29:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: war (#48)

gopqueefingroom.com

So much for the laughable claim 'I don't engage in cross board forum wars' Fraud.

God, you are sooo easy...

Badeye  posted on  2010-01-22   10:31:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Badeye (#49) (Edited)

gopqueefingroom.com

Is there a site out there with that name? (laughing) I got the name from one of your posts here and liked it so much I made it my tagline.

BTW, Bill Mayer would appreciate it if you left him out of your little fantasies of that which never happened.

You can email him about it if you want. He was pretty pissed the last time this was brought to his attention. You may remember that time. It was when you were FALSELY [as usual] claiming that I couldn't post @ pipe.

Do you know what your problem is? You're a KNOWN quantity, and despite your obvious pathology which makes surfeit your truth deficit, there are AMPLE examples of this fact available...you don't "fool" anyone badeye. Everyone knows you're a drunk and everyone knows you're a liar [the two usually go hand in hand]...is it any wonder that everyone sees you for nothing more than the creation of your own damaged mind...

The answer, btw, is no...(grin)

gopqueefingroom.com

war  posted on  2010-01-22   10:45:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: dont eat that (#42)

"In The Reagan Diaries, the former president wrote, "I don't think the Navy was sorry to see him go." Certainly doesn't seem like Reagan was very admiring of the pedophile."

BINGO!! Webb ain't no hero...he's an Obamabot RAT-FREAK just like his butt- buddy, MarkyMark Warner...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-01-22   10:48:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Mudboy Slim (#51)

Webb ain't no hero..

Let's hear about your war experiences, Nudge...

gopqueefingroom.com

war  posted on  2010-01-22   10:54:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: war (#50)

(laughing) More than one site owner, fraud.

I don't have a problem, Fraud. I'm exactly as I portray myself online. Quite a few know this today. Just as they know you've created a online fantasy life.

Badeye  posted on  2010-01-22   10:57:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Badeye (#53)

More than one site owner...

Chuckles...I only posted @ pipe at the time...there was no other site for there to be "more than one"...

gopqueefingroom.com

war  posted on  2010-01-22   11:26:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Badeye (#53)

I'm exactly as I portray myself online.

Thanks for agreeing...(laughing)

gopqueefingroom.com

war  posted on  2010-01-22   11:27:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: All (#55)

Keep trying...you're not that clever...

gopqueefingroom.com

war  posted on  2010-01-22   12:05:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: All (#56)

btt

gopqueefingroom.com

war  posted on  2010-01-22   14:06:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: All (#57)

gopqueefingroom.com

war  posted on  2010-01-22   19:04:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Happy Quanzaa (#32)

Tell me where he says he does this,instead of a character in a fictional story. BTW,if you don't think this type of thing is done every day you have lived a sheltered life.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-01-22   19:16:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Badeye (#37)

Big difference between Jimmy Webb in the 60's, and Jimmy Webb the political creature.

No question there. He's a coward today, as his abrupt about face 22 hours after Brown's victory demonstrates conclusively.

Get real. There was no physical danger if he hadn't done this. It makes him a political opportunist playing the game for bucks and power instead of patriotism,but that doesn't make him a coward.

Calling him a coward for this is like calling Dennis Rodman a "hero" for playing basketball.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-01-22   19:19:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Badeye (#39)

Try to live in the here and now, eh?

Try and learn what being a hero or a coward entails,and learn the difference between cowardice and opportunism.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-01-22   19:21:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: war (#44)

One man who sat where you do now and graduated from the Naval Academy in 1968 is another member of our administration-Assistant Secretary of Defense James Webb, the most decorated member of his class. James' gallantry as a marine officer in Vietnam won him the Navy Cross and other decorations, including two Purple Hearts. James wrote several books about American service men and women. In his book, "A Sense of Honor," he describes the life that you have chosen. He wrote:

Webb's book "Fields of Fire" is one of the best novels ever written about what it's like to be a grunt on the ground involved in conventional warfare. It's as real as it gets,and reading it makes you feel like you are right there with him as he describes what it was like for the typical young infantryman in the 1960's in Asia.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-01-22   19:26:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: sneakypete (#62)

What fascinated me the most was how Webb was able to weave certain moral certitudes delineating right from wrong into situations that, at first glance, you'd believe to be wholly morally wrong. From the fragging of the one Top to the Senator's father turning the draft dodger in, the sense of "right" triumphing was compelling.

A Sense of Honor was a very good book too. It captures the essence of the social conflict that was occurring as the military transformed from what it was in WWII and, to an extent, Korea, i.e. one that defined winning as killing the enemy until he submits to fighting a war in a moral way to victory which, as certain as I sit here, is an impossbility.

gopqueefingroom.com

war  posted on  2010-01-22   20:14:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: sneakypete (#62)

And, btw, I don't say this enough and as far as I am concerned you can't hear it enough...thanks and welcome home...

gopqueefingroom.com

war  posted on  2010-01-22   20:16:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: sneakypete (#62)

Webb's book "Fields of Fire" is one of the best novels ever written about what it's like to be a grunt on the ground involved in conventional warfare.

And that somehow involves making neutral non-judgemental observations about about fathers sticking their son's penises in their mouth.

Okay, I guess it's just something you and Jim understand.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-01-22   21:03:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: war (#63)

It captures the essence of the social conflict that was occurring as the military transformed from what it was in WWII and, to an extent, Korea, i.e. one that defined winning as killing the enemy until he submits to fighting a war in a moral way to victory which, as certain as I sit here, is an impossbility.

Geez, what are you doing now, trying to expound on your common interest in books that discuss homosexual incestual pedophilia?

So what should have been done about Islamofascism?

Turn our our heads and say it doesn't exist?

Nuke the countries off the earth?

Try and be friends with with them?

Is it not telling that after all his bluster, Obama is essentially continuing Bush's policy?

dont eat that  posted on  2010-01-22   21:31:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: dont eat that (#65)

Webb's book "Fields of Fire" is one of the best novels ever written about what it's like to be a grunt on the ground involved in conventional warfare.

And that somehow involves making neutral non-judgemental observations about about fathers sticking their son's penises in their mouth.

Okay, I guess it's just something you and Jim understand.

The one thing that is clear is that you are a clueless fool and a partisan hack who only "knows" what he is programmed to "know".

What you describe is not in that book,but don't let reality intrude on your private fantasies.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-01-23   0:00:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: dont eat that (#66)

So what should have been done about Islamofascism?

Hang everybody in the Bush Crime Family and the RINO National Committee?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-01-23   0:01:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: war (#34)

#34. To: e_type_jag (#22)

... he's a commie Do you folks realize how dumb you come off by using that word?

Apparently not...

No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...

war posted on 2010-01-22 8:55:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

Huh??

Do you know how silly you look not realizing that those words were ...... not ...........mine?

It was HQ's comment from post 18 and even post 21.

'Sok war.....most here don't expect you to pay attention.

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-01-23   3:25:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: sneakypete (#59)

Webb's books, Webb's medals, Webb working for 6 month's for Reagan before being fired, Sarah Palin's support of Juan McStain, Webb being a Republican, Webb being Democrat, Webb's mail order wife, none of that really matters when we get to the meat of Webb's record. No matter how it's spun, Webb voted for Obama's Marxist ObamaCare and everything else he's been told to by Party Central. The bottom line is grass is green, the sky is blue, and Webb ver. 2010 is a Fellow Traveling Obamabot. It has been documented, no amount of denial and nothing he did in Vietnam can erase his Senate voting record.

Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2010-01-23   8:57:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: sneakypete (#67)

What you describe is not in that book,but don't let reality intrude on your private fantasies.

I'm not the one who admires a man who writes about such things.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-01-23   9:22:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: sneakypete (#68)

So what should have been done about Islamofascism?

Hang everybody in the Bush Crime Family and the RINO National Committee?

Now, you're just being stupid.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-01-23   9:23:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Happy Quanzaa (#70)

It has been documented, no amount of denial and nothing he did in Vietnam can erase his Senate voting record.

Who is questioning that? Not me.

Being a opportunist now doesn't mean he is a coward,though. It just means he has gotten greedy.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-01-23   9:32:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: dont eat that (#72)

Hang everybody in the Bush Crime Family and the RINO National Committee?

Now, you're just being stupid.

*I* am the one who is being stupid,sez the Bush-Bot neo-con?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-01-23   9:34:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: sneakypete (#74)

Bush never would have supported Obamacare.

Your pal Webb does.

Says everything

dont eat that  posted on  2010-01-23   9:52:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: e_type_jag (#69)

It was HQ's comment from post 18 and even post 21.

How could anyone have discerned that?

gopqueefingroom.com

war  posted on  2010-01-23   10:24:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: padlock (#66)

Geez, what are you doing now, trying to expound on your common interest in books that discuss homosexual incestual pedophilia?

Geez...what are you trying to do? Remind of of how stupid you are when you use hyperbole? Here's a hint...we don't need to be reminded...you're a known quantity all the way back to your happy Fun ball days.

Everyone knows that you work for the RNC, puddin' pop. Everyone knows that you're a plant. Everyone knows what it is that you do and why you do it.

gopqueefingroom.com

war  posted on  2010-01-23   10:39:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: dont eat that (#75)

Bush never would have supported Obamacare.

BULLBUSH! Bubba Barry is nothing more than Bush 4.0.

That homo SOB was the biggest traitor that ever sat in the White House,as well as the most incompetent. He made Clinton look like a petty thief and a patriot by comparison,and that's saying something.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-01-23   13:30:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: sneakypete (#78)

BULLBUSH! Bubba Barry is nothing more than Bush 4.0.

DET evidently forgot about the Medicare D passed by Bush.

mininggold  posted on  2010-01-23   13:37:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: mininggold (#79)

BULLBUSH! Bubba Barry is nothing more than Bush 4.0.

DET evidently forgot about the Medicare D passed by Bush.

I doubt he forgot it. I suspect it's more of a case of "If Boy Jorge did it,it was a wonderful thing".

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-01-23   21:31:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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