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Title: Never Forget, The US Gov't Slaughtered Dozens in a Church Over an Illegal Gun Part
Source: The Free Thought Project
URL Source: https://thefreethoughtproject.com/n ... urch-over-an-illegal-gun-part/
Published: Mar 3, 2019
Author: Matt Agorist
Post Date: 2019-03-03 18:32:51 by Hondo68
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Keywords: Bill Clinton, Janet Reno, Donald Trump, David Hogg, Democrats, Republicans
Views: 252
Comments: 21

26 years ago, the United States government used accusations of illegal gun parts to raid a church, the resultant raid left 82 men, women, and children dead.

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Last year, President Donald Trump betrayed his base and Americans in general as he advocated for confiscating guns with no due process.

“I like taking the guns early like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida … to go to court would have taken a long time,” Trump said at a meeting with lawmakers on school safety and gun violence.

“Take the guns first, go through due process second,” Trump said.

This blatant attack on the very thing that makes America great, due process, has been in the making since before the Florida shooting, but Trump appears to be striking while the iron is hot.

At the time, president Trump told a group of lawmakers that they must do something to keep guns away from mentally ill individuals – even if that means raising the minimum age for rifle ownership to 21 and making all 18-20 year-olds who have guns, criminals overnight. He is also going after gun parts as well—the bump stock.

When the alleged “conservative” president hops on the gun control train so easily, it is definitely cause for concern. Here’s why.

The US government carried out the deadliest church massacre in history which led to the deaths of 82 men, women, and children. It all came to a violent end 26 years ago in Texas and it all began with allegations of illegal gun parts.

Our source material comes from the FBI’s own vault, which contains two files on the case against Vernon Howell, also known as David Koresh. Koresh was the leader of the “Branch Davidians Seventh Day Adventists.” According to the FBI case file, Koresh was believed to have been holding people against their will at his compound in Waco, Texas, potentially guilty of “involuntary servitude and slavery” charges.

In 1992, Child Protective Services (CPS) was called in to investigate the accusations. After a thorough investigation, CPS concluded no one was being held at the compound against their will, nor any child abuse, and the federal prosecutor, who reviewed the report, saw no reason to prosecute Koresh. On October 16th, 1992, the FBI closed the case against Koresh and the allegations he was abusing children and holding his followers against their will.

Still, however, the FBI proceeded with investigating other allegations the Branch Davidians had used banned gun parts and converted semi-automatic AR-15 (assault) rifles into fully automatic ones, a violation of federal law. Most of the weapons in the compound were all legal. However, during the subsequent trial, it was reported that 48 of them had been modified to be fully automatic.

Also alleged was that the group was planning a mass suicide. The FBI concluded, “no information has been developed to verify the accuracy of the allegations.” Still, the FBI put local law enforcement on notice.

Despite having no concrete evidence Koresh, who some have said was delusional, had violated anyone’s civil rights, or abused any children, the investigation into the weapons violations continued. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives pursued the allegations the group was stockpiling weapons and explosives. According to the ATF, the bureau found:

136 FIREARMS, INCLUDING ASSAULT RIFLES AND HANDGUNS

700+ MAGAZINES FOR THOSE FIREARMS

200,000+ ROUNDS OF VARIOUS AMMUNITION

110 UPPER AND LOWER RECEIVERS FOR AR15/M16 RIFLES

GRENADE-LAUNCHER ATTACHMENTS FOR AR15/M16 RIFLES

400+ EMPTY M31 RIFLE GRENADES, ALONG WITH BLACK POWDER AND OTHER

EXPLOSIVE CHEMICALS

Wishing to further investigate the compound’s armory, the ATF secured a search warrant and attempted to raid the compound on February 28th, 1993. The Davidians, possibly feeling they must protect their home, property, and persons from the intruders, opened fire on the federal agents, an action which led to the deaths of several ATF agents and compound members.

FOUR ATF AGENTS (SA TODD MCKEEHAN, SA CONWAY LEBLEU, SA ROBERT WILLIAMS AND SA STEVEN WILLIS) WERE KILLED; 20 ATF AGENTS WOUNDED FROM GUNSHOTS OR SHRAPNEL AND 8 SUFFERED OTHER INJURIES. SIX DAVIDIANS WERE ALSO REPORTEDLY KILLED AND FOUR WOUNDED FROM GUNSHOTS, ALTHOUGH THIS COULD NOT BE FORENSICALLY PROVEN BECAUSE OF THE LATER DESTRUCTION (BY FIRE) OF THE COMPOUND.

The raid initiated a 51-day standoff with the ATF as well as the FBI. Koresh released 24 members from the compound, who were mostly children, and continued the stand-off with authorities which was broadcast daily across the country until day 51 arrived. On that day, the government brought in heavy equipment and penetrated the compound with a tank-like machine which pumped the compound full of CS Gas. What happened next, in the minds of many who saw it, can only be likened to a horror film.

The compound became ablaze with a roaring fire. The all-consuming inferno killed 76 people who were huddled inside. Later, it was determined many of those who’d perished were also shot by firearms. Researchers, who later investigated the incident, concluded federal agents were observed shooting from the compound’s grounds into the building already set ablaze by fire. While the official government narrative is those individuals committed suicide, the researchers were able to demonstrate they were likely killed by automatic weapons fired by federal agents, possibly killed as they were attempting to flee their burning compound.

To this day, the ATF maintains the fire was, “set by cult members, as law enforcement attempted to force them out by introducing tear gas into the building.” And for years, following the fiery destruction of the compound, the FBI maintained the same storyline.

However, in 1999, then-Attorney General Janet Reno made the following admission, “I am very, very troubled by the information I received this week suggesting that pyrotechnic devices may have been used in the early morning hours on April the 19th, 1993, at Waco. At this time, all available indications are that the devices were not directed at the main wooden compound, were discharged several hours before the fire started, and were not the cause of the fire. Nonetheless, it is absolutely critical that we do everything humanly possible to learn all the facts as accurately as possible and make them available to the public and Congress.”

Those facts, according to some of the survivors of the fire, who were inside at the time the fire broke out, are undeniable. They are convinced the government used incendiary devices to set ablaze the tear gas which had been pumped into the building. And they’re not alone.

According to CBS News, “Independent filmmaker Michael McNulty came upon some evidence that appeared damaging to the government. He found a shell casing from a certain type of tear gas round that could start a fire – a device the Justice Department had denied using for more than six years – publicly and to Congress.”

That shell casing led to Reno’s acknowledgment, but the government still has not taken full responsibility, as Reno denied the devices were used to penetrate the building. Questions still remain as to why they would be used at all.

Even though it was later determined Koresh had, indeed, molested children, and was by all intents and purposes a pedophile of the worst kind, the fact remains. The government used gas and allegedly fired on its own people which either directly or indirectly led to the deaths of 76 people — inside a church—over suspicion of illegal gun parts.

None of the dead were ever given due process and Americans have learned very little from the handling of this situation. Sadly, there was no outcry and this incident serves as a brutal reminder of what can happen when the US government makes up its mind to take out those they disagree with. (2 images)

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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)

If the government does it it is legal, if an individual does it it is not, however, the question remains why was this group heavily armed?

paraclete  posted on  2019-03-03   19:43:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: paraclete (#1)

If the government does it it is legal, if an individual does it it is not, however, the question remains why was this group heavily armed?

No,the question is "WHY is it any of the government's business if they are heavily armed or not if they aren't shooting anybody?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2019-03-03   19:59:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: paraclete (#1)

If the government does it it is legal

Ooof, that sounds a lot like Tricky Dicky Nixon.... If the president does it, it's not illegal.

Ain't gonna sell in America.


Hondo68  posted on  2019-03-03   20:07:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: paraclete (#1)

If the government does it it is legal

I just threw up in my mouth.

randge  posted on  2019-03-03   21:02:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: randge (#4)

There is no sarcasm font here

paraclete  posted on  2019-03-03   22:11:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: sneakypete (#2)

No,the question is "WHY is it any of the government's business

Well it's long ago and things got out of hand, government overreach no doubt, but governments do what governments do when weapons are involved, there are individual rights to bear arms but nowhere does it say you can have a private army and a private arsenal

paraclete  posted on  2019-03-03   22:14:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: paraclete (#6)

You really are FULL OF SHIT !!!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

"No one ever rescues an old dog. They lay in a cage until they die. PLEASE save one. None of us wants to die cold and alone... --Dennis Olson "

AMERICA! Designed by geniuses. Now run by idiots.

Stoner  posted on  2019-03-04   8:07:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Stoner, A K A Stone (#7)

To: paraclete You really are FULL OF SHIT !!!

That’s the “decent poster” Stone was talking about.

lol

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2019-03-04   8:09:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: GrandIsland (#8)

Yes I think he is a decent human being. I don't agree with everything he says though.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-03-04   8:39:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Stoner (#7)

Comes from associating with you

paraclete  posted on  2019-03-05   18:06:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A K A Stone (#9)

Thanks for the vote of confidence

paraclete  posted on  2019-03-05   18:07:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A K A Stone tooconservative (#9)

The topic of this thread is Never Forget, The US Gov't Slaughtered Dozens in a Church Over an Illegal Gun Part

You are really off topic here giving a character reference for an Aussie while you join in with others in discussing him.

You wiped out all of my posts and many posts by others on another thread for carrying on an off topic discussion.

It’s your forum and you of course can do what you want to, Stone. I have said that many times and I will always stand by that statement. I support you.

However…ahem…wiping out my posts and the posts of others on another thread for doing the same thing while you are letting this off topic discussion continue on here - with you participating in it - may be quite disappointing to some and they will think you show a lack of judgmental consistency.

You think so?

Touché

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-05   18:35:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Gatlin (#12)

I am not 100 percent consistent.

Maybe I should have deleted Grand Islands post instead of responding to it.

Maybe I should have not responded to you.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-03-05   19:14:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A K A Stone (#13) (Edited)

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-05   19:18:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#13) (Edited)

Gatlin  posted on  2019-03-05   19:19:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Gatlin (#15)

blah blah blah. I don't have time.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-03-05   19:23:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: hondo68 (#0)

...President Trump told a group of lawmakers that they must do something to keep guns away from MENTALLY ILL INDIVIDUALS...

In other words, CRAZY PEOPLE, capisce??

Liberator  posted on  2019-03-05   19:33:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: A K A Stone, paraclete (#13) (Edited)

Please dismiss the medicated lunatic. He/she/it is still convinced this is LP, you're Goldi, and he owns this forum.

Paraclete may be wrong, but he's polite.

If someone has a problem with the guy, maybe it's better to debate why he/she/it is dead wrong. It shouldn't be hard at all.

Liberator  posted on  2019-03-05   19:38:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: sneakypete (#2)

No,the question is "WHY is it any of the government's business if they are heavily armed or not if they aren't shooting anybody?

You know the answer but I'm going to say it anyway:

CONTROL.

If the PTB already feel emboldened by launching a coup against Trump, they'll attempt to crush EVERYONE. (P.S. -- an armed citizenry just might not be cooperative.)

Liberator  posted on  2019-03-05   19:42:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: paraclete (#6) (Edited)

Nowhere does it say you can have a private army and a private arsenal

What do you consider an "Army"?? Rambo?? Three people? Six? One thousand?

What do suggest of a gubmint agy that bangs in your door at 3:00 with an "Army" because...you support the President?

Btw, according to the US Constitution, it does not, nor can not control the number of arms any individual may own.

Moreover, the US Constitution *does* mention the need for a "Militia."

Liberator  posted on  2019-03-05   19:48:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Liberator (#20) (Edited)

Moreover, the US Constitution *does* mention the need for a "Militia."

It does more than that it speaks of a well-regulated militia, not a rabble with guns. In other words, a formal grouping of citizens with the intent of defending the Constitution

paraclete  posted on  2019-03-07   1:58:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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