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Title: Conspiracy Theory Goes Viral that CPS ‘Steals’ Children From Anti-Vax Parents
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Published: Mar 1, 2019
Author: Katie Joy
Post Date: 2019-03-02 19:51:08 by Gatlin
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“Omg Omg Omg! Arizona Chandler police department just broke in Sarah Becks door WITHOUT a warrant!!! Unvaxxed kids are being stolen!” The frantic post shared on Facebook went viral earlier this week. Anti-vax conspiracy theorists swarmed and shared the update all over social media. However, the story provided in the update wasn’t true. Arizona police say the children were in immediate medical danger and they had a warrant to remove the children from home. When the post was shared earlier this week by a friend of Sarah Beck, anti-vaxxers shared the information in groups and on pages. Individuals expressed outrage, anger, and paranoia that police were removing children from anti-vaccine parents. Almost immediately discussions broke out that Arizona DCS was kidnapping unvaccinated children to sell them into foster care. Many said that unvaccinated children are highly in demand because they are incredibly healthy. Several discussed an Arizona ‘kidnapping cartel.” While many believed the post at face value, others that knew the family personally attempted to stop the misinformation from spreading. One woman, a former friend of Sarah’s, said the post left out critical details about the case. For instance, she said DCS had been involved with the family multiple times. Additionally, she said the police took the children because a doctor feared one of the children had meningitis. According to the woman, Sarah had taken her 2-year-old son to see their naturopath earlier in the day. At the clinic, the boy, Heder, had a fever of 105 degrees. The naturopath told Sarah that she needed to take Heder to the hospital. Sarah didn’t agree with the provider and left the clinic. Later in the day, Sarah called the naturopath to tell them she would not be taking her son to the hospital. Sarah expressed to the doctor that his fever had gone down and she wasn’t concerned anymore. When the naturopath learned the boy was still at home, they called the Department of Child Safety and filed a report. Based on the information provided by the former friend, the children’s vaccination status did not play a role in the case. As the rumors spread online, Sarah and her partner Brooks Bryce reached out to local media to cover the story. Multiple news outlets in Arizona picked up the story. AZ Family interviewed the couple outside of their home. They said that police broke down their door and took their three children. Sarah said that police came to the house after a naturopath reported her to DCS for failing to bring her son to the hospital. In the interview, Sarah confirmed everything her former friend shared online earlier in the week. At the clinic, her son Heder had a fever of 105. Sarah said she retook his temperature in the car on the way home. According to Sarah, the Heder’s temperature was 102. She noted that Heder acted normal in the car and danced with his siblings. She admitted that she called the naturopath and told them that she wasn’t concerned about Heder’s fever. However, the naturopath believed that Heder had meningitis and needed life-saving medical help. Fearful for the boy’s life, the naturopath called DCS to file a report. After receiving the report from the doctor, DCS reached out to the parents to investigate. Brooks said that he spoke with a social worker and refused to take his son to the hospital. Brooks told AZ Family, “They said ‘Brooks, you have to come out of your house right now… we have to check on them [kids],’ and I said, ‘I have Heber in my arms, he’s doing fine, his temperature is 100 degrees. He’s safe he’s asleep, could you please just leave us alone,’” Brooks Bryce, the boy’s dad, said. Unable to convince the couple to take Heder to the hospital, DCS requested a temporary custody order from a judge. Police showed up at the couples home with the custody order and knocked on the door multiple times. Brooks refused to open the door and comply with their requests. The police report indicated that the home had clutter all over the floor which made it difficult to walk. In one of the children’s bedroom, authorities found vomit all over the beds. The couple admitted the children had vomited several times and they had not cleaned up the mess. Details from the police report: -“there was a present danger [to the child] that required immediate medical attention” -“Brooks and Sarah refused to come outside and refused to let DCS check on the welfare of [the child].” -“There was a court order signed by the judge giving DCS temporary custody of [the child] in order to get him medical treatment.” In the couple’s bedroom, police found a shotgun that was not locked or secured. Brooks disputed the claim about the gun and insisted the weapon doesn’t work. After completing a search of the home, the police called for an ambulance. Two of the children were taken by ambulance to the hospital. A DCS worker took the third child to the hospital by car. The naturopath’s concerns were not unfounded. Doctors admitted Heder into the hospital to treat his symptoms. Since the DCS removed the children from home, the couple has not seen their children. They were supposed to meet with social workers, but the couple said DCS canceled the appointment. Police say that there have been no criminal charges filed in the case. However, the investigation is still on-going. Sarah and Brooks told multiple agencies that their children are not vaccinated, but they do not believe their vaccination status has anything to do with this case. This story highlights the fact that misinformation spreads quickly on Facebook. People took a status update at face value. They shared the status all over social media and created a frenzy based on unsubstantiated claims. Anti-vaxxers used the story to further their narrative that DCS medically kidnaps children. Additionally, they fed into conspiracy theorists that believe social service workers capture and sell children into foster care. Absolutely all of their fears were completely unfounded. DCS was forced to remove the child because the parents failed to take the child to the hospital. Heder’s fever was extraordinarily high and indicative of a bacterial infection. Instead of following the doctor’s orders, the parents decided not to treat their son. Anti-vaxxers consistently use stories like this to tarnish the reputations of doctors, government agencies, and hospitals. They never consider the fact that the parents in the case might be at fault. This is an important reminder to be cautious of what you see online. Just because someone cries “medical kidnapping” doesn’t mean it’s real.
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#1. To: A K A Stone (#0)
Yep, Stone, there was DEFINITELY MORE to the story....as you suggested there woud be.
They sent this message to you, Deckard.
As Paul Harvey often said: And now for the rest of the story.
Yep, ole gullible cop-hating Deckard went for it hook, line and sinker.
Oh, does that surprise you Deckard? It doesn't me ...
There goes your "mention" bullshit out the window, Deckard. The ND BELIEVED that Heder had meningitis. BELIEVED, YOU ASSHOLE.
However, the naturopath believed that Heder had meningitis and needed life-saving medical help. Fearful for the boy’s life, the naturopath called DCS to file a report. However, the naturopath believed that Heder had meningitis and needed life-saving medical help. Fearful for the boy’s life, the naturopath called DCS to file a report. However, the naturopath believed that Heder had meningitis and needed life-saving medical help. Fearful for the boy’s life, the naturopath called DCS to file a report. However, the naturopath believed that Heder had meningitis and needed life-saving medical help. Fearful for the boy’s life, the naturopath called DCS to file a report. However, the naturopath believed that Heder had meningitis and needed life-saving medical help. Fearful for the boy’s life, the naturopath called DCS to file a report. Did you GET that, Deckard? Or do I need to repeat it a few more time for clarity?
Damn, this was fun....great fun. I am so pleased that I continue to fact check. And I am more grateful that nolu chan also does....and does a much better job that I.
I expected this to be the case all along.
I did not expect that. Pathetic, Deckard....PATHETIC.
Disgusting, Deckard....Absolutely DISGUtSTING. Vomiting is ONE of the symptoms of Meningitis. I stated on the other thread that the couple NEVER mentioned anything about other symptoms.
The naturopath’s concerns were not unfounded. Doctors admitted Heder into the hospital to treat his symptoms. The naturopath’s concerns were not unfounded. Doctors admitted Heder into the hospital to treat his symptoms. The naturopath’s concerns were not unfounded. Doctors admitted Heder into the hospital to treat his symptoms. You reading this, Deckard. Do you understand it? Do you know what "not unfounded" means?
Good job doctor. Good job DCS. Good job officers. Good night everyone.
Toby Downes Instead of anti-vaxxers I thought we were now calling them "pro-disease" or "plague enthusiasts"...? www.iflscience.com/health...tivaxxers-are-the-latest- villains-in-an-extremely-popular-online-game/
I did not expect that. Keeping sick kids at home is NOT A CRIME, you police-state loving socialist!
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. It's also a symptom of the common flu and other childhood maladies.The fact remains - the child was in NO DANGER as the fever was already going down when the family left the hospital. But by all means - keep patting yourself on the back for your truly pathetic attempts to marginalize this family and portray CPS and cops as heroes Your numerous posts to me in particular smacks of impotent desperation.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. I caught meningitis in Aug or Sept of 2016. I think that year is correct. I thought it was the flu for a few days. Then I felt like I was going to die or something and I went to the doctors finally. They found out what I had and treated it. There were two different kinds of meningitis. I had the one that wasn't as bad. It was one of the worst sicknesses I ever had or maybe the worst. If the kid had meningitis he should be at the doctor and any kid that isn't taken to the hospital is being abused. The video on another thread of the cops raiding the place seemed excessive. But still the kid needed to be treated if that is in fact what he had.
Are you vaccinated? Are you a plague enthusiast?
Oh my sides! This is a completely different story than what I posted. You are posting this bullshit piece in order to deflect from your ass-whipping on the original thread. So desperate...so sad.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. I was as a child and then again while in the Air Force. I haven't gotten a flu shot in decades and have had the flu maybe twice in that period.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. I've never gotten a flu shot and never will. Do you have children? Did you get them vaccinated? Or would you if you did?
Oh, but it DEFINITELY is in some cases. Check it out. While it may not have been a crime here, it was stupid because:
Seems we have at least something in common. It appears that neither one of us will go to a doctor until we are at deaths door. I had a similar incident - tired, shortness of breath, persistent dry cough, thought it was just a cold until my GF at the time convinced me to see a doctor. Turned out to be pnemonia. Took antibiotics for five days, stayed home from work. This was six years ago. I started having the same symptoms a month or so ago, so I knew it was serious so I went to the doctor right away. I don't like taking sick days from work - I get sick pay but I'd rather be working than just lolling around.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. My kids are grown up now - when we had them in '78 and'80, we had them vaccinated of course. I didn't know then what I know now - if it was today, I would weigh all the options. One thing that is different today I believe is that they give too many at the same time.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. Apples and oranges.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. Apparently you were never in the military - it's required. The times I did get a flu shot back in the day, I ended up getting the flu anyways.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. Ahem ...
Quit grovelling ...
Ahem ... Your story: Conspiracy Theory Goes Viral that CPS ‘Steals’ Children From Anti-Vax Parents My story: Chandler police remove kids from home after sick child not taken to hospital Please stop - your desperation is almost making me feel sorry for you.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. Your story: Conspiracy Theory Goes Viral that CPS ‘Steals’ Children From Anti- Vax Parents My story: Chandler police remove kids from home after sick child not taken to hospital
Based on what, exactly? The snitch who is a quack naturopath, someone who aided and abetted these anti-vaxxers until they turned snitch? What you're doing is highlighting that even the opinion of a non-medical quack can be used by CPS/PD to be remove children from their parents.
God love you libertarians since it is well known that nobody else does, or ever will.
Not only will CPS use information from that type of source, but they act upon ANONYMOUS sources on the 1-800 child abuse hot-line, millions of times a year. Most are bullshit, but if 3% are accurate... thousands of calls help the helpless, children. Huge lawsuits, too. I remember a case where CPS failed to act upon several anonymous tips that a child was not being cared for properly by her drug using mommy (Dicktard loves them), and the huge local story broke news when she was discovered almost dead, a human skeleton. It was actually a case where CPS just didn’t follow up and make sure the child was being fed... until the cops found the child that way during a drug raid of the house, months after the first 1-800 tip.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
It isn't about my feelings. And your response is quite lazy, resorting to recycling a joke form you already posted yesterday. Lazy indeed. I don't consider any naturopath qualified to provide a legit diagnosis of meningitis. Kids and adults can have fever and vomiting without having meningitis. Let's review some symptoms from Wiki: For the sick child, there was no mention of a stiff neck, no mention of headache, no mention of rashes. And even if those were present, they match up with a lot of other illness, both chronic and infectious. A child might exhibit irritability or drowsiness or poor feeding for many other illnesses or for no real reason at all. This situation would be like your chiropractor calling adult services on you for coughing and fever and having the public health agency and courts and police confine you to a nursing home on that basis, despite your wife's strident objections and status as your legal medical guardian. Why did the cops remove the other two children from the home for no cause other than all three kids had had the flu? Why won't they tell the parents where the children are or even what their condition is? Why won't they reveal whether any of these children had meningitis at all? Surely they would if there had been any basis for the entire fiasco to begin with. And if the parents are so awful and the home so neglectful, then why haven't they been charged with a crime of any sort?
Sad story but that in no way justifies the actions of the Chandler police, the quack naturopath snitch, and the CPS. They should all get their asses sued off and spend some time in prison for kidnapping under abuse of authority. Let's see some evidence, any evidence, that they were justified in removing the sick child, let alone the two other siblings who were kidnapped as well for no justifiable cause. And foster care is by no means safe. Thousands of children end up in sex trafficking after being in foster care every year. These children are in danger in CPS custody. It is not as safe as being in the custody of their parents.
Maybe you should see some photos of the children, parents, home and some remarks from the parents. Just because we don't like anti-vaxxers (and I don't) doesn't give us the right to disrupt their homes, kidnap their children and hold them incommunicado, even to the point of withholding information about their health status, the supposed justification for their removal from their parents.
I’m not passing opinion on this particular incident/article. Too many factors (the unknown, unreported or just commonly spun or slanted to suit political AGENDAS). I just make comment that it doesn’t take some level of credentials, approved by LIBERALterians, for any states child protective agency to act on. They will act on a tip from anyone... and then hopefully build probable cause if they continue through with more intrusive action.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
The facts speak for themselves. CPS has released no medical info to justify the removal of the child, let alone his two older siblings who were not suspected of having meningitis at all. CPS has resorted to saying the home was messy just because there was a load of laundry scattered on the living room chairs and, oh shit, a (non-functioning) shotgun was in the bedroom and wasn't locked up. Having three kids that had the flu, a somewhat messy house (gee, 3 sick kids around the house, how did anything get messy?) and a non-functional shotgun are not a legit basis for removal of a sick child, let alone both older siblings who had no diagnosis of severe illness like meningitis. You have to admit it sounds incredibly lame, given the facts we already have. It sounds like a show-us-your-titties episode of CPS Gone Wild. This is one of those instances where the followup is crucial. So far, we don't know all the facts, only some allegations and vague mentions of a messy house and a non-functional shotgun. And the official silence about the children's medical condition is pretty deafening. That is among the most appalling things you've ever written here at LF.
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#2. To: Deckard (#0)
This is an important reminder to be cautious of what you see online.
#3. To: nolu chan, GrandIsland (#0)
#4. To: Deckard (#0)
While many believed the post at face value, others that knew the family personally attempted to stop the misinformation from spreading.
#5. To: Deckard (#0)
For instance, she said DCS had been involved with the family multiple times.
#6. To: Deckard (#0)
However, the naturopath believed that Heder had meningitis and needed life-saving medical help. Fearful for the boy’s life, the naturopath called DCS to file a report.
#7. To: Deckard (#0)
However, the naturopath believed that Heder had meningitis and needed life-saving medical help. Fearful for the boy’s life, the naturopath called DCS to file a report.
#8. To: GrandIsland, nolu chan (#7)
#9. To: Deckard (#0)
Inside the home, the police say they found all three children sick and symptomatic.
#10. To: Deckard (#0)
Inside the home, the police say they found all three children sick and symptomatic.
#11. To: Deckard (#0)
The police report indicated that the home had clutter all over the floor which made it difficult to walk. In one of the children’s bedroom, authorities found vomit all over the beds. The couple admitted the children had vomited several times and they had not cleaned up the mess.
#12. To: Deckard (#0)
The naturopath’s concerns were not unfounded. Doctors admitted Heder into the hospital to treat his symptoms.
#13. To: All (#12)
#14. To: Gatlin (#13)
(Edited)
Harvard Immunologist to Legislators: Unvaccinated Children Pose ZERO Risk to Anyone
#15. To: hondo68 (#14)
#16. To: Gatlin (#1)
#17. To: Gatlin (#10)
Inside the home, the police say they found all three children sick and symptomatic.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#18. To: Gatlin (#11)
Vomiting is ONE of the symptoms of Meningitis.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#19. To: Deckard, Gatlin (#17)
#20. To: Deckard (#17)
#21. To: Gatlin (#1)
Yep, Stone, there was DEFINITELY MORE to the story....as you suggested there woud be.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#22. To: A K A Stone (#20)
Are you vaccinated?
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#23. To: Deckard (#22)
#24. To: Deckard (#17)
Keeping sick kids at home is NOT A CRIME ...
The naturopath’s concerns were not unfounded. Doctors admitted Heder into the hospital to treat his symptoms.
#25. To: A K A Stone (#19)
I caught meningitis in Aug or Sept of 2016. I think that year is correct. I thought it was the flu for a few days. Then I felt like I was going to die or something and I went to the doctors finally. They found out what I had and treated it.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#26. To: A K A Stone (#23)
Do you have children? Did you get them vaccinated?
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#27. To: Gatlin (#24)
Doctors admitted Heder into the hospital to treat his symptoms
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#28. To: A K A Stone (#23)
I've never gotten a flu shot and never will.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#29. To: Deckard (#21)
This is a completely different story than what I posted.
#30. To: Deckard (#27)
#31. To: Gatlin (#29)
This is a completely different story than what I posted.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#32. To: Deckard (#31)
The mother and child in my story: Sarah Beck and Heber.
The mother and child in your story: Sarah Beck and Heber.
#33. To: Gatlin (#6)
The ND BELIEVED that Heder had meningitis.
#34. To: Tooconservative (#33)
You are too sensitive about this. I have no time for your babyish whining. Here use this: 
#35. To: Tooconservative (#33)
What you're doing is highlighting that even the opinion of a non-medical quack can be used by CPS/PD
#36. To: Deckard, Jameson, Gatlin, Deckard (#34)
Meningitis is an acute inflammation of the protective membranes covering the brain and spinal cord, known collectively as the meninges.[2] The most common symptoms are fever, headache, and neck stiffness.[1] Other symptoms include confusion or altered consciousness, vomiting, and an inability to tolerate light or loud noises.[1] Young children often exhibit only nonspecific symptoms, such as irritability, drowsiness, or poor feeding.[1] If a rash is present, it may indicate a particular cause of meningitis; for instance, meningitis caused by meningococcal bacteria may be accompanied by a characteristic rash.
#37. To: GrandIsland (#35)
Huge lawsuits, too. I remember a case where CPS failed to act upon several anonymous tips that a child was not being cared for properly by her drug using mommy (Dicktard loves them), and the huge local story broke news when she was discovered almost dead, a human skeleton.
#38. To: GrandIsland, Gatlin (#35)
#39. To: Tooconservative (#37)
(Edited)
Let's see some evidence, any evidence, that they were justified in removing the sick child
#40. To: GrandIsland, Decker, nolu chan (#39)
(Edited)
I’m not passing opinion on this particular incident/article.
I just make comment that it doesn’t take some level of credentials, approved by LIBERALterians, for any states child protective agency to act on. They will act on a tip from anyone... and then hopefully build probable cause if they continue through with more intrusive action.
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