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Title: Conspiracy Theory Goes Viral that CPS ‘Steals’ Children From Anti-Vax Parents
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Published: Mar 1, 2019
Author: Katie Joy
Post Date: 2019-03-02 19:51:08 by Gatlin
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“Omg Omg Omg! Arizona Chandler police department just broke in Sarah Becks door WITHOUT a warrant!!! Unvaxxed kids are being stolen!” The frantic post shared on Facebook went viral earlier this week. Anti-vax conspiracy theorists swarmed and shared the update all over social media. However, the story provided in the update wasn’t true. Arizona police say the children were in immediate medical danger and they had a warrant to remove the children from home. When the post was shared earlier this week by a friend of Sarah Beck, anti-vaxxers shared the information in groups and on pages. Individuals expressed outrage, anger, and paranoia that police were removing children from anti-vaccine parents. Almost immediately discussions broke out that Arizona DCS was kidnapping unvaccinated children to sell them into foster care. Many said that unvaccinated children are highly in demand because they are incredibly healthy. Several discussed an Arizona ‘kidnapping cartel.” While many believed the post at face value, others that knew the family personally attempted to stop the misinformation from spreading. One woman, a former friend of Sarah’s, said the post left out critical details about the case. For instance, she said DCS had been involved with the family multiple times. Additionally, she said the police took the children because a doctor feared one of the children had meningitis. According to the woman, Sarah had taken her 2-year-old son to see their naturopath earlier in the day. At the clinic, the boy, Heder, had a fever of 105 degrees. The naturopath told Sarah that she needed to take Heder to the hospital. Sarah didn’t agree with the provider and left the clinic. Later in the day, Sarah called the naturopath to tell them she would not be taking her son to the hospital. Sarah expressed to the doctor that his fever had gone down and she wasn’t concerned anymore. When the naturopath learned the boy was still at home, they called the Department of Child Safety and filed a report. Based on the information provided by the former friend, the children’s vaccination status did not play a role in the case. As the rumors spread online, Sarah and her partner Brooks Bryce reached out to local media to cover the story. Multiple news outlets in Arizona picked up the story. AZ Family interviewed the couple outside of their home. They said that police broke down their door and took their three children. Sarah said that police came to the house after a naturopath reported her to DCS for failing to bring her son to the hospital. In the interview, Sarah confirmed everything her former friend shared online earlier in the week. At the clinic, her son Heder had a fever of 105. Sarah said she retook his temperature in the car on the way home. According to Sarah, the Heder’s temperature was 102. She noted that Heder acted normal in the car and danced with his siblings. She admitted that she called the naturopath and told them that she wasn’t concerned about Heder’s fever. However, the naturopath believed that Heder had meningitis and needed life-saving medical help. Fearful for the boy’s life, the naturopath called DCS to file a report. After receiving the report from the doctor, DCS reached out to the parents to investigate. Brooks said that he spoke with a social worker and refused to take his son to the hospital. Brooks told AZ Family, “They said ‘Brooks, you have to come out of your house right now… we have to check on them [kids],’ and I said, ‘I have Heber in my arms, he’s doing fine, his temperature is 100 degrees. He’s safe he’s asleep, could you please just leave us alone,’” Brooks Bryce, the boy’s dad, said. Unable to convince the couple to take Heder to the hospital, DCS requested a temporary custody order from a judge. Police showed up at the couples home with the custody order and knocked on the door multiple times. Brooks refused to open the door and comply with their requests. The police report indicated that the home had clutter all over the floor which made it difficult to walk. In one of the children’s bedroom, authorities found vomit all over the beds. The couple admitted the children had vomited several times and they had not cleaned up the mess. Details from the police report: -“there was a present danger [to the child] that required immediate medical attention” -“Brooks and Sarah refused to come outside and refused to let DCS check on the welfare of [the child].” -“There was a court order signed by the judge giving DCS temporary custody of [the child] in order to get him medical treatment.” In the couple’s bedroom, police found a shotgun that was not locked or secured. Brooks disputed the claim about the gun and insisted the weapon doesn’t work. After completing a search of the home, the police called for an ambulance. Two of the children were taken by ambulance to the hospital. A DCS worker took the third child to the hospital by car. The naturopath’s concerns were not unfounded. Doctors admitted Heder into the hospital to treat his symptoms. Since the DCS removed the children from home, the couple has not seen their children. They were supposed to meet with social workers, but the couple said DCS canceled the appointment. Police say that there have been no criminal charges filed in the case. However, the investigation is still on-going. Sarah and Brooks told multiple agencies that their children are not vaccinated, but they do not believe their vaccination status has anything to do with this case. This story highlights the fact that misinformation spreads quickly on Facebook. People took a status update at face value. They shared the status all over social media and created a frenzy based on unsubstantiated claims. Anti-vaxxers used the story to further their narrative that DCS medically kidnaps children. Additionally, they fed into conspiracy theorists that believe social service workers capture and sell children into foster care. Absolutely all of their fears were completely unfounded. DCS was forced to remove the child because the parents failed to take the child to the hospital. Heder’s fever was extraordinarily high and indicative of a bacterial infection. Instead of following the doctor’s orders, the parents decided not to treat their son. Anti-vaxxers consistently use stories like this to tarnish the reputations of doctors, government agencies, and hospitals. They never consider the fact that the parents in the case might be at fault. This is an important reminder to be cautious of what you see online. Just because someone cries “medical kidnapping” doesn’t mean it’s real.
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#37. To: GrandIsland (#35)
Sad story but that in no way justifies the actions of the Chandler police, the quack naturopath snitch, and the CPS. They should all get their asses sued off and spend some time in prison for kidnapping under abuse of authority. Let's see some evidence, any evidence, that they were justified in removing the sick child, let alone the two other siblings who were kidnapped as well for no justifiable cause. And foster care is by no means safe. Thousands of children end up in sex trafficking after being in foster care every year. These children are in danger in CPS custody. It is not as safe as being in the custody of their parents.
Maybe you should see some photos of the children, parents, home and some remarks from the parents. Just because we don't like anti-vaxxers (and I don't) doesn't give us the right to disrupt their homes, kidnap their children and hold them incommunicado, even to the point of withholding information about their health status, the supposed justification for their removal from their parents.
I’m not passing opinion on this particular incident/article. Too many factors (the unknown, unreported or just commonly spun or slanted to suit political AGENDAS). I just make comment that it doesn’t take some level of credentials, approved by LIBERALterians, for any states child protective agency to act on. They will act on a tip from anyone... and then hopefully build probable cause if they continue through with more intrusive action.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
The facts speak for themselves. CPS has released no medical info to justify the removal of the child, let alone his two older siblings who were not suspected of having meningitis at all. CPS has resorted to saying the home was messy just because there was a load of laundry scattered on the living room chairs and, oh shit, a (non-functioning) shotgun was in the bedroom and wasn't locked up. Having three kids that had the flu, a somewhat messy house (gee, 3 sick kids around the house, how did anything get messy?) and a non-functional shotgun are not a legit basis for removal of a sick child, let alone both older siblings who had no diagnosis of severe illness like meningitis. You have to admit it sounds incredibly lame, given the facts we already have. It sounds like a show-us-your-titties episode of CPS Gone Wild. This is one of those instances where the followup is crucial. So far, we don't know all the facts, only some allegations and vague mentions of a messy house and a non-functional shotgun. And the official silence about the children's medical condition is pretty deafening. That is among the most appalling things you've ever written here at LF.
Hea, hold on Hoss. Wait just a damend minute! The ER doctor who was not “quack naturopath” decided the kid, Heder, was sick enough that she/he admitted Heder to the hospital to treat his symptoms. I forget what he was diagnosed as having, and I won’t bother to look it up, but it was some type of infection. So, it was stated by someone that the “naturopath’s concerns were not unfounded.” But “WE” will never admit that some “quack naturopath” concerns were not unfounded….will “WE?” Or that “the opinion of a non-medical quack” was used by “CPS/PD to remove a child from his parents” and admit him to the hospital where his infection was properly treated. Don’t you DARE for one minute to try to use that word to try and harangue me with. You may have no respect for the law as I find most libertarians don’t. But I do. It was reported that DCS had an order for “temporary custody from a judge.” “My dear libertarian friend (stated with tongue in cheek) the children were not KIDNAPPED. Stop trying to BULLSHIT me. Continuing on … And please….please….don’t pull a Deckard and show a link to some yellow journalism article where “someone SAID something.” I don’t pay any attention to opinions or to hearsay information I receive from other people when I receive information they cannot adequately substantiate. I courteously await your reply with proven facts when you have those. But until you have proven facts, then I respectfully request that you not bother me. For time is a valuable asset and I don’t want to waste any on a libertarian whiner.
People don’t have a constitutional right to break the law. The constitution WASN’T crafted to conseal criminal activity. Upon having reason to believe that a crime is afoot... and building further probable cause as you investigate, certainty justifies follow through of more intrusive investigative procedures, like search warrants and custodial arrests. While that might be appalling to a Paultard, it’s fucking fact here in this constitutional republic. If you don’t like that, you are certainly allowed to go live with BuckerGoo, in the jungles of Belize.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
And that’s where Paultards drop the ball. They aren’t fucking smart enough to see past the length of a marijuana joint, how some actions they deem harmless to others, actually harm others. That is why when a small idiot child should ingest a handful of scrabble squares... and then painfully pass them into their training pants, that idiot child just produced a few sentences more intelligently than an adult Paultard. To a Paultard, nothing they do victimizes another... everything is a victimless, non violent crime. lol
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Ah! Spoken like a true asshole Paultard libertarian who obediently follows the warped libertarian philosophy that people “should be free to do as he or she pleases so long as he or she does not harm others.” And that’s where Paultards drop the ball. They aren’t fucking smart enough to see past the length of a marijuana joint, how some actions they deem harmless to others, actually harm others. That is why when a small idiot child should ingest a handful of scrabble squares... and then painfully pass them into their training pants, that idiot child just produced a few sentences more intelligently than an adult Paultard. To a Paultard, nothing they do victimizes another... everything is a victimless, non violent crime. lol Shout it to the ceiling ...
Tooconservative to GrandIsland Please….Please….Please. Oh, please, GrandIsland. Teach me how to be appalling – to cause shock or dismay and be horrific – to a libertarian in one sentence. I keep trying ….
For my extended take of this, see the other thread. https://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=58512&Disp=49#C49 Just a brief snapshot about meningitis and the flu. So, they concluded coughing means meningitis? https://www.healthline.com/health/meningitis Coughing does not appear to be a symptom of bacterial or other meningitis. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/flu/symptoms-causes/syc-20351719 Dry, persistent cough; nasal congestion; and sore throat are symptoms of the flu, a viral infection. Did the requesting authority inform the judge that the doctor was an N.D. who was medically incompetent to diagnose meningitis or to distinguish between a bacterial or viral infection? The N.D. was less qualified than a veterinarian for that purpose. The authorities had neither a diagnosis nor a competent medical opinion at the time of requesting the authorization to force entry.
A kid swallowed all the Scrabble letters. Now his poop shows more intelligence than a libertarian.
You're damned by your own mouth. Repent.
You can hardly type fast enough to keep up with the "libertarian whiners". Post after post, day after day. Because, like, your time is so valuable. Right. You sound like some old whore saying, "You know, I really don't like cocks all that much."
You are peddling a self-serving liberty-hating view of the Constitution. Properly formulated, it is the state which has no constitutional right to remove these children from their parents, given the facts as described in this article and in other local reporting from news outlets in Arizona.
This is a case where CPS and the local cops just went crazy, it seems. I wonder if these parents really were targeted for being anti-vaxxers or something. Or is the Arizona CPS just this awful? And what of the judge who foolishly consented to this scandalous kidnapping of children from their parents under false pretenses and with so little evidence of any harm being done? That judge deserves a lot more scrutiny, in this case as well as her entire caseload.
And you sound like a libertarian saying, You know, I really like cocks shoved up my ass so give me some more.” I am not sure which of those comments is more stupid and childish. Maybe we can get a forum vote. In the meantime, you need to grow the fuck up and try to mature just a bit. Oh, I am still waiting for those facts…lol. For some reason, namely that I am dealing with a libertarian….I never expect to see them.
Right. Kicking the shit out of libertarians is proper use of valuable time. At least it is to me. And after all, it’s my valuable time and I can use it any way I desire.
lol... and that’s your problem. When you work with shit... your conclusions and opinions are shit. Like I stated above from the start. I didn’t read the article, I don’t give two fucks about the article... and I pass no opinion towards vaccines or laws requiring them. Whether this article was written or not, or if this incident didn’t happen or it did, CPS will take referrals from ANYONE, and they are obligated to follow those allegations up. Even if that causes you to shat your Ron Paul boxer shorts.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Ah! Spoken like a true asshole Paultard libertarian who obediently follows the warped libertarian philosophy that people “should be free to do as he or she pleases so long as he or she does not harm others.” Repent. May I have a second option? Like either become a libertarian or pull a Hermann Wilhelm Göring? Any facts yet?
Tater is still logged onto yukon's wrong link... lovethecocks.com
Geeez, this site does not need another one of those... unless you’re gonna be a civil and tolerant Paultard and take the position that you’re here to tell others your opinion and not expect other posters to be indoctrinated by you...(IOW’s, youDON’T have an AGENDA). That’s what makes a paultard an asshole, btw. The moral of this post... be yourself. Even a libertarian... but don’t ever be an asshole (code for Paultard).
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Only you would remember the name of the site. Makes you suspicious.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
This means I must pull a Hermann Wilhelm Göring? Oh, well. No doubt the best choice anyway.
It sounded...off...to me. So I checked it via search engine. It appears that it is lovethecock.com (singular). Fortunately, none of us appear to have remembered it accurately.
Are you addressing me? I thought you announced you were too busy to post to me about 5-6 posts ago.
Any facts yet? I found the first definition was: Then I found the second definition was: I looked and there were no further definitions. After carefully considering all of that, I will answer your question. No. I am not “addressing” you. What I am doing is responding to the post you made to me. And in my response to the post you made to me, I asked you: Yes, I did definitely announce that I was too busy to post to you. But never did I announce that I was too busy to read the facts you post TO me. Did I? I will answer my own question, thank you. No, I did not. So, I will ask again:
That makes me feel a little better.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Because you followed the link, gayblade!
Does anyone know what happened to yukon? His revelation about the wrong link, quickly lead to the demise of LP.
No, I did not. I hope you two will be very happy together.
Funny you should ask. A lot of people, including GoldiLox, thought you were using HideMyAss VPN to masquerade under yukon's handle and then posted that very same infamous link under his handle over at LP. I'm sure you recall the accusations against you.
I don't need to use "HideMyAss" for anything. Salley knew that same perspective just as AKA Stone knows it.
No, I did not. I hope you two will be very happy together. Thank you for you best wishes. And I can assure more happy that we would ever be together with some asshole Paultard libertarian.
I’m glad you brought that up. That’s my guess as to what happened. BuckerGoo is the most disruptive poster I’ve ever seen, on any forum.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Of course, we note that you still do not offer any vehement denial.
Yep, a lot of people did think that buckeroo posted that infamous link under [yukon's] handle at LP. Some, at least one person I know of, still firmly holds that belief today. Edit: Make that two people. I just read another post.
I think it's about 50-50. Either yukon was gay and posted a lurid link and left out of embarrassment or buckeroo did hack his account and posted a naughty link as part of an article(!). I guess I think it's actually 60%-70% likely it was just yukon flying his true colors by accident. Otherwise, why did he flee, apparently in shame? You wouldn't do that if you got hacked and someone posted an article with a lurid link as an "accident", would you? I don't think you would. You'd keep going on the forum, guns blazing, insisting that you wuz hacked. But yukon didn't. And we know he did otherwise have a very thick hide and endless appetite for online baiting/posting. Instead, he disappeared like some Rumpelstiltskin.
Oh "WE" do? One more time, I do not subscribe to third party capabilities.
A review of the posts at LP will show that harrowup firmly believed that liberator was a coconspirator. OMG….I just realized I am posting to you. Oh well, I did find a little spare time.
Oh "WE" do? Tooconservative + Gatlin = "WE" So TC is numerically correct. Not many times have I ever found him wrong. Cantankerous sometimes, maybe. But wrong ????
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Huge lawsuits, too. I remember a case where CPS failed to act upon several anonymous tips that a child was not being cared for properly by her drug using mommy (Dicktard loves them), and the huge local story broke news when she was discovered almost dead, a human skeleton.
#38. To: GrandIsland, Gatlin (#35)
#39. To: Tooconservative (#37)
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Let's see some evidence, any evidence, that they were justified in removing the sick child
#40. To: GrandIsland, Decker, nolu chan (#39)
(Edited)
I’m not passing opinion on this particular incident/article.
I just make comment that it doesn’t take some level of credentials, approved by LIBERALterians, for any states child protective agency to act on. They will act on a tip from anyone... and then hopefully build probable cause if they continue through with more intrusive action.
#41. To: Tooconservative, GrandIsland (#38)
Maybe you should see some photos of the children, parents, home and some remarks from the parents.
Why should I? Just because we don't like anti-vaxxers …
By “we” I can only assume that you mean “we libertarians.” Right? … (and I don't) …
Lots of people dislike different things.
I know the feeling you are expressing.
I have a very strong dislike for libertarians.
So ”dislike” is okay. … doesn't give us the right to disrupt their homes …
Ah! Spoken like a true asshole Paultard libertarian who obediently follows the warped libertarian philosophy that people “should be free to do as he or she pleases so long as he or she does not harm others.” … kidnap …
Woah !!! … kidnap their children and hold them incommunicado, even to the point of withholding information about their health status, the supposed justification for their removal from their parents.
Hey, you may believe the shit you read on the Internet because like Deckard, you read and remember what you want to believe. But I don’t. My non-libertarian philosophy is that “just because it is on the Internet doesn’t mean its true.” So, I will stop right HERE until you proved to me that “their children were held from them incommunicado, even to the point of withholding information about their health status.”
#42. To: Tooconservative (#40)
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That is among the most appalling things you've ever written here at LF.
#43. To: Tooconservative (#40)
The facts speak for themselves. Blah….blah….blah…
I had to jump back in here because I saw this as I finish with my post.
You say “the facts speak for themselves.”
Then show me verifiable FACTs and let me hear them SPEAK truth.
#44. To: Gatlin (#41)
Ah! Spoken like a true asshole Paultard libertarian who obediently follows the warped libertarian philosophy that people “should be free to do as he or she pleases so long as he or she does not harm others.”
#45. To: GrandIsland (#44)
Amen, Brother.
#46. To: GrandIsland (#40)
That is among the most appalling things you've ever written here at LF.
Teach me.
#47. To: Tooconservative, A K A Stone, Decker, GrandIsland (#40)
The facts speak for themselves. CPS has released no medical info to justify the removal of the child, let alone his two older siblings who were not suspected of having meningitis at all. CPS has resorted to saying the home was messy just because there was a load of laundry scattered on the living room chairs and, oh shit, a (non-functioning) shotgun was in the bedroom and wasn't locked up. Having three kids that had the flu....
Officers went to the family's home to check the child's welfare, but no one answered the door, even though police could hear "someone coughing inside one of the bedrooms," according to the police report.
#48. To: Gatlin (#41)
Ah! Spoken like a true asshole Paultard libertarian who obediently follows the warped libertarian philosophy that people “should be free to do as he or she pleases so long as he or she does not harm others.”
#49. To: Gatlin (#41)
For time is a valuable asset and I don’t want to waste any on a libertarian whiner.
#50. To: GrandIsland (#42)
People don’t have a constitutional right to break the law. The constitution WASN’T crafted to conseal criminal activity.
#51. To: nolu chan (#47)
Did the requesting authority inform the judge that the doctor was an N.D. who was medically incompetent to diagnose meningitis or to distinguish between a bacterial or viral infection? The N.D. was less qualified than a veterinarian for that purpose. The authorities had neither a diagnosis nor a competent medical opinion at the time of requesting the authorization to force entry.
#52. To: Tooconservative (#49)
You sound like some old whore saying, "You know, I really don't like cocks all that much."
#53. To: Tooconservative (#49)
You can hardly type fast enough to keep up with the "libertarian whiners". Post after post, day after day. Because, like, your time is so valuable.
#54. To: Tooconservative (#50)
given the facts as described in this article
#55. To: Tooconservative (#48)
You're damned by your own mouth.
Repent and become a libertarian?
#56. To: Tooconservative, wrong link tater (#49)
You sound like some old whore saying, "You know, I really don't like cocks all that much."
#57. To: Gatlin (#55)
(Edited)
Repent and become a libertarian?
#58. To: hondo68 (#56)
lovethecocks.com
#59. To: GrandIsland (#57)
#60. To: GrandIsland, hondo68 (#58)
Only you would remember the name of the site.
#61. To: Gatlin (#55)
Any facts yet?
#62. To: Tooconservative (#61)
(Edited)
Are you addressing me?
I took time to look up the definition of “addressing.” 1. write the name and address of the intended recipient on (an envelope, letter, or package).
So, I decided I wasn’t doing that to you. 2. speak to (a person or an assembly), typically in a formal way.
I definitely decided I wasn’t doing that either. Any facts yet?
So since you maybe didn’t understand the question, I will ask you again: Any facts yet?
I patiently await your reply….where you include FACTS of course. I thought you announced you were too busy to post to me about 5-6 posts ago.
Yes. Any facts yet for me to read?
#63. To: Tooconservative (#60)
Fortunately, none of us appear to have remembered it accurately
#64. To: GrandIsland (#63)
That makes me feel a little better.
#65. To: hondo68, tater, GI (#64)
#66. To: Gatlin (#62)
I will answer my own question, thank you.
#67. To: buckeroo, Gatlin, GrandIsland, A K A Stone (#65)
Does anyone know what happened to yukon? His revelation about the wrong link, quickly lead to the demise of LP.
#68. To: Tooconservative, AKA Stone (#67)
#69. To: Tooconservative (#66)
I will answer my own question, thank you.
#70. To: Tooconservative (#67)
Funny you should ask. A lot of people, including GoldiLox, thought you were using HideMyAss VPN to masquerade under yukon's handle and then posted that very same infamous link under his handle over at LP.
#71. To: buckeroo (#68)
I don't need to use "HideMyAss" for anything. Salley knew that same perspective just as AKA Stone knows it.
#72. To: Tooconservative (#67)
(Edited)
Funny you should ask. A lot of people, including GoldiLox, thought you were using HideMyAss VPN to masquerade under yukon's handle and then posted that very same infamous link under his handle over at LP.
#73. To: GrandIsland, buckeroo, A K A Stone (#70)
I’m glad you brought that up. That’s my guess as to what happened. BuckerGoo is the most disruptive poster I’ve ever seen, on any forum.
#74. To: buckeroo (#65)
Does anyone know what happened to yukon?
#75. To: Tooconservative (#71)
Of course, we note that you still do not offer any vehement denial.
#76. To: Tooconservative (#73)
#77. To: buckeroo. Tooconservative (#75)
Of course, we note that you still do not offer any vehement denial.
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