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Title: Chandler police remove kids from home after sick child not taken to hospital
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URL Source: https://www.azfamily.com/news/chand ... 9a-11e9-abf4-7fa4eaa39a0b.html
Published: Mar 2, 2019
Author: News Staff
Post Date: 2019-03-02 13:59:38 by Deckard
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Views: 6538
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CHANDLER, AZ (3TV/CBS 5) - It's been almost three days since a Chandler couple last saw their children. It all began with a trip to the doctor because their toddler had a high fever. Now all three of their children are in the custody of the Department of Child Safety. Police said the incident started on Feb. 25, when parents Sarah Beck and Brooks Bryce brought their 2-year-old son Heber to the Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine because the child was suffering from a fever. Beck says the doctor found Heber's temperature to be 105 degrees and instructed them to take him to the ER, mentioning a concern for meningitis. Once in her car, his mother retook his temperature and found it was going down. "He's acting normal. He's dancing with his sisters in his car seat. And I take his temperature and it's 102," said Beck. So they went home. She says by then the fever had dropped even more. "We love our children, we love them. If our children needed help, we would absolutely help them," said Beck. "I told the doctor that I'd bring my son back for her to check and make sure that his fever was lower, and she said she wouldn't see him, and I had to take him in." The doctor, learning they had not gone to the ER, called DCS, and later that night, the family got a visit from Chandler police. Officers went to the family's home to check the child's welfare, but no one answered the door, even though police could hear "someone coughing inside one of the bedrooms," according to the police report. After several failed attempts to get someone to open the door, police called the boy's father. Police said Bryce answered the phone but told police that his son's fever had broken and "he was fine." According to the police report, Bryce was "argumentative and refused to exit the residence to talk with officers or DCS investigators." "Like we're holding our kids hostage or they're deathly ill or barely alive. He was perfectly fine. He was in my arms sleeping. As I was on the phone with the officer I took his temperature, it was 100 degrees. There's no reason to give up my kids because he has a temperature of 100 degrees and sleeping," said Bryce. When those inside the house continued to refuse to open the door, police said, "The decision was made to force entry of the home for DCS in order to take custody of the child." According to the police report, they made the decision to go inside the home because: -"there was a present danger [to the child] that required immediate medical attention" -"Brooks and Sarah refused to come outside and refused to let DCS check on the welfare of [the child]." -"There was a court order signed by the judge giving DCS temporary custody of [the child] in order to get him medical treatment." So, police forced open the door. According to the police statement: "The front door was breached and the family members were called out of the residence." The family's security camera recorded the moment police kicked open the door. Inside the residence, two additional children (aged 4 and 6) were located, and police say they were also suffering "similar symptoms to include vomiting," according to the police document. Inside the home, police said conditions were so cluttered and messy in the children's rooms that it was "difficult to walk in the rooms." One officer wrote in the police report, "There was clutter everywhere. The house was filled with items everywhere I looked." The officer also said there were stains in the children's bedrooms and that children had told police they had vomited several times in their beds. Police also said that inside the parents' room, "a shotgun was lying next to the bed, against the wall, and was not locked or secured." "The clutter was laundry on our couch," said Bryce. He says the children had been vomiting, but they were moved from their beds to sleep with their parents after messing their own beds. As for the shotgun, he said, "it actually is inert. It does not work." Two of the children were transported to the hospital by ambulance, while the third was transported by DCS. The 2-year-old was later admitted to the hospital, according to police. Their parents have not heard from them since. "I'm just beside myself. I just want my kids. I just want to know are they OK?" said Beck. No charges were filed at the time. But police said detectives will follow up to determine if there are any criminal charges to pursue against the parents.
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Re-posted from another source because the site owner objected to a word in the title. You could have hit a HOME RUN had you continue to look and found this title: Geeeze …
Sounds pretty messed up. I wonder if there is more to the story. Do you think the hospital called the cops?
The Dr, Nanny State may have called ER, then called DCS. How he found out that they didn't go to ER is unclear. Maybe the parents themselves told him, if he called to check up on the kid?
I don’t remember a time, or if, Deckard ever posted a story of this nature where he was not trying to defame and damage the good reputation of cops or authorities that there was not “more to the story” discovered later. Can you? And they ignore him ... I will have a follow up …
You must notice that the parents mentioned ONLY that “the child was suffering from a fever.” At no time in the article did they mention whether the child did or did not have OTHER symptoms they told the doctor about. There many, many, reasons for a child to have a temperature of 105 as a symptom of various illnesses. And I will never believe - as the article tries to channel me to believe - that any doctor will take a child’s temperature, see it is 105, “mention” a concern for meningitis ONLY on that basis and as the ONLY reason for INSTRUCTING the parents to take the child to the ER. Can you?
The story on this thread was written this way: Twenty-four hours late, Heber died from a form of bacterial meningitis, leaving the couple from Chandler, Arizona, grieving the loss of their child and looking to spread a message to other parents. […]
If as you claim the child was that sick, why didn't the doctor treat the child himself or call an ambulance? the good reputation of cops The cops were doing what they were told to do.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. Fearmongering tool! Police said Bryce answered the phone but told police that his son's fever had broken and "he was fine." "Like we're holding our kids hostage or they're deathly ill or barely alive. He was perfectly fine. He was in my arms sleeping. As I was on the phone with the officer I took his temperature, it was 100 degrees. There's no reason to give up my kids because he has a temperature of 100 degrees and sleeping," said Bryce. Not surprised however that once again your socialist views on raising children has you siding with CPS and not the parents. Do you have any idea how criminally corrupt Child Protective Services is? That's a pity. The U.S. Foster Care System: Modern Day Slavery and Child Trafficking Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. If Ron Paul told you to STFU, you'd have to OBEY. Doctor's orders!
Do you think the hospital called the cops? Sounds pretty messed up. I wonder if there is more to the story. The doctor called the DCS. It would appear that the DCS called the cops. There are a few curiosities. Beck says the doctor found Heber's temperature to be 105 degrees and instructed them to take him to the ER, mentioning a concern for meningitis. They were with a "doctor" at a college of medicine. The "doctor" did not make a medical diagnosis, he mentioned a concern. The "doctor" advised the parents to go to the ER, presumably another facility altogether (read on). Why did the "doctor" release the patient to the parents rather than have the emergency patient transported to the ER if there was a "present danger" requiring "immediate attention?" In case you missed it.... [...] Beck says the doctor found.... N.D., not to be confused with a Medical Doctor, M.D. -"there was a present danger [to the child] that required immediate medical attention" -"Brooks and Sarah refused to come outside and refused to let DCS check on the welfare of [the child]." -"There was a court order signed by the judge giving DCS temporary custody of [the child] in order to get him medical treatment." Who determined that there was a present danger to the child that required immediate attention? What medical diagnosis was made, and treatment rendered, by the "doctor" at the college of naturopathic medicine? Since when do residents inside their house have a duty to go outside to converse with police? On what information and authority did a judge issue temporary custody to DCS, and when specifically? https://www.scnm.edu/programs/doctor-of-naturopathic-medicine/scope-of-practice/ The broadest scope of practice for naturopathic medicine in the United States is in Arizona, where naturopathic physicians (NDs also credentialed as NMDs) have increased scope beyond NDs in other US states. In Arizona NDs may perform many of the same activities performed by allopathic physicians, such as MDs or DOs. For instance, their formulary or list from which they may prescribe, includes not only vitamins and minerals, but also vaccines, antibiotics, oral contraceptives, anabolic steroids, and controlled substances such as morphine and cocaine. Additionally, the Federal Drug Enforcement Administration approved Arizona NDs to prescribe controlled substances from the formulary. This means NDs in Arizona are issued DEA numbers. Additionally, their scope includes IV therapy, injection therapy, minor surgery, physical medicine, botanical medicine and homeopathy. Finally, licensed NDs in Arizona may practice acupuncture as part of their scope of practice if they’ve completed 200 hours of acupuncture classroom and clinic coursework (included in SCNM's curriculum). You will learn, practice and become skilled at using all of the modalities of naturopathic medicine at SCNM. This will make you a highly sought after physician no matter where you decide to practice. Once you graduate, your knowledge will empower you to pursue your dream career. If you choose to go into family practice, focus on certain conditions, or specialize in your favorite therapies, you’ll be prepared with the most broad and comprehensive education and training. https://www.lawserver.com/law/state/arizona/az-laws/arizona_laws_32-1501 (a) Accredited or a candidate for accreditation by an accrediting agency recognized by the United States secretary of education as a specialized accrediting agency for schools of naturopathic medicine or its successor. (b) Accredited or a candidate for accreditation by an accrediting agency recognized by the council for higher education accreditation or its successor. 9. "Board" means the naturopathic physicians medical board. [...] 23. "Natural substance" means a homeopathic, botanical, nutritional or other supplement that does not require a prescription pursuant to federal law before it is prescribed, dispensed or otherwise furnished to a patient and that is prescribed by a physician who is licensed pursuant to this chapter to enhance health, prevent disease or treat a medical condition diagnosed by the physician. [...] 25. "Naturopathic medicine" means medicine as taught in approved schools of naturopathic medicine and in clinical, internship, preceptorship and postdoctoral training programs approved by the board and practiced by a recipient of a degree of doctor of naturopathic medicine licensed pursuant to this chapter. [...] 28. "Practice of naturopathic medicine" means a medical system of diagnosing and treating diseases, injuries, ailments, infirmities and other conditions of the human mind and body, including by natural means, drugless methods, drugs, nonsurgical methods, devices, physical, electrical, hygienic and sanitary measures and all forms of physical agents and modalities. A kid swallowed all the Scrabble letters. Now his poop shows more intelligence than a libertarian.
That’s brilliant. I must steal it for other forums that are infested by the rabid dysfunctional 6%
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Fearmongering tool! In law I would have been accused of entrapment. You were set up. The story I gave you was paraphrased from the story below. July 13, 2018 - By Scott Stump. Alex Dempsey and Gabriel Schultz thought their 4-month-old son, Killy, just had a normal fever when they picked him up from day care at the end of last month. Twenty-four hours later, on June 30, Killy died from a form of bacterial meningitis, leaving the couple from Richmond, Virginia, grieving the loss of their only child together and looking to spread a message to other parents. [….] Rest of story at the link: Couple whose infant son died from meningitis has message for other parents. This true story could have been their story … I’d say when a doctor “instructs” to take your baby to the ER that you do so.
That’s brilliant. Yep ...
They were with a "doctor" at a college of medicine. The "doctor" did not make a medical diagnosis, he mentioned a concern. The "doctor" advised the parents to go to the ER, presumably another facility altogether (read on). Why did the "doctor" release the patient to the parents rather than have the emergency patient transported to the ER if there was a "present danger" requiring "immediate attention?" H/T: nolu chan
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. They were with a "doctor" at a college of medicine. The "doctor" did not make a medical diagnosis, he mentioned a concern. The "doctor" advised the parents to go to the ER, presumably another facility altogether (read on). Why did the "doctor" release the patient to the parents rather than have the emergency patient transported to the ER if there was a "present danger" requiring "immediate attention?" H/T: nolu chan The Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine & Health Sciences is the leading medical school dedicated to a comprehensive team approach to natural health. Did you read that….it said “natural health” and dealing with possible meningitis is definitely not NATURAL HEALTH. This college did not have the equipment to test for meningitis. (read pm) It is in some cases faster to drive to the ER than to call an ambulance. I know this from experience. Also I know 5hq5 calling an ambulance in Chandler and the surrounding area can cost as much as five thousand dollars. Sarah Beck and Brooks Bryce may not have had, or wanted to fork out, THOUSANDS of dollars for a few blocks ride in an ambulance when driving was much faster. (read on) The doctor was an ND and not a MD trained in the diagnosis and treatment of meningitis. The question remains unaddressed in why the couple did not go directly to the ER with a child having 105 degree temperature. Since they went directly to a ND I have the distinct they couple are true believers in Naturopathic Medicine. I am surprised the ND even instructed them to go to the ER. I believe he did so because of his deep concern about meningitis and Another distinct possibility is that these people may be true believers in “natural medicine” and would never go to an ER. We don’t know. Do you even know what natural medicine is? Probably not. Here, let me educate you. As Stone said earlier: “ I wonder if there is more to the story.” From what I have learned so far, there definitely has been lots of information omitted, either by design of ignorance. F/N: Gatlin
I will leave the thread with this summary. It is obvious this couple were true believers in “natural medicine” because they went to a ND in College of Naturopathic Medicine. I am here today to tell you if I have a child that a ND who definitely believes in the healing effects of natural medicine and probably teaches natural medicine at the college thinks for one second that my child may have meningitis and has no way of even testing for meningitis or treating meningitis instructs me to make my child to the ER….BAM, I am on my way très rapidement. These believers in “natural medicine” did not go. Yes, Stone, I believe there is MUCH more to this story.
Once in her car, his mother retook his temperature and found it was going down. "He's acting normal. He's dancing with his sisters in his car seat. And I take his temperature and it's 102," said Beck. Later: "As I was on the phone with the officer I took his temperature, it was 100 degrees. There's no reason to give up my kids because he has a temperature of 100 degrees and sleeping," said Bryce. Socialists Melissa Harris Perry (and Tater) - Children Belong to the Collective Not Parents or Families
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. Once in her car, his mother retook his temperature and found it was going down. "He's acting normal. He's dancing with his sisters in his car seat. And I take his temperature and it's 102," said Beck. Later: "As I was on the phone with the officer I took his temperature, it was 100 degrees. There's no reason to give up my kids because he has a temperature of 100 degrees and sleeping," said Bryce. And you believed this. Sad ...
And you believed this. And you didn't? It's a shame that your obsessive fetish for authority will only allow you to see this family as child abusers. If the child had still had an abnormally high fever, I have no doubt that these parents would have gone to the emergency room
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. Sure. /s
What I see is that DCS has been called to their house many times. And the police report show there was vomit all over the kids room. And the mother admitted that. If it walks like a duck ...
And you didn't? Not from the beginning. Not even from the same story on the other thread you posted. The fact check always reveals the lies in the articles you post.
It's a shame that your obsessive fetish for anarchy will only allow you to see this family as saints. Thousands of children are killed at the hands of their parents, every year. Scumbag.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
And here you are, on a chit-chat channel doing nothing at all.
I’m actually multitasking, you jungle pedophile. I’m drinking a beer, eating buffalo wings, watching UFC ... and correcting all your Paultard deceit. So, kindly fuck off, BuckerGoo.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Oh my! A great man that you are! Are you watching your reflection in a mirror? I think so.
Well, BuckerGoo, you can’t make it on a UFC fight card if you’re an over sensitized pussy... like Paultards and Dimrats. In a MMA match, they ain’t all equal... and there’s no compassion for the loser. lol
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
So that's your your complaint now? What happened to the children just a few minutes ago?
Of course that’s a concern. Can you imagine how many scumbag Americans move their little children to the 3rd world jungles, like Belize, so they can rape the kids and not worry about DSS?
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
No. What on Earth is on your demented mind?
Well, you can’t deny that some folk might hate cops and DSS, simply because they are fucking their own children. You deny this?
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I have learned that anything you post is a GOD DAMNED LIE. Similar to your posts having over 50,000 rounds of ammunition preparing for some make-believe war.
He's going to need a hell of a lot more than that for confiscations from libertarians, like "Take the Guns First". The Trumpkanista Canary gun grabbers are outnumbered, and out gunned.
Make believe war? It was your Paultard buddies that first started to claim we are gonna collapse and a revolution would follow. You deny this, BuckerGoo?
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Ha... I’m not for any confiscation, unless you’re not a citizen, or a felon. In BuckerGoo’s case, he’s both lol
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Your narrative is a problem. You make everything up as you can.
Really, BuckerGoo? LP was packed full of the end are coming Paultards 10 years ago. Are you fucking kidding? It’s FACT. However, I do not think the end of anything will come during my lifetime... not even a collapse. However, I hope some situation develops where it’s legal for me to hunt snowflakes, welfare, illegals, drug addicts and libertarians.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
for discipline Jimmy Jones was bf - ing The unruly he haTed To have To do iT belize - guyana aren'T They The same Thing love If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
That’s right, Boris. Jim Jones ran off to the jungle because he too liked fucking his children. He was a government and cop hater too. Sick twisted fucks, they are. Good catch.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
David Koresh also hated cops and government... he ran off to a secluded DRY wooden structure, to fuck his children. He figured his compound was as secluded as a jungle, if he refused to answer the door for 51 days. lol
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You dumb fuck.
#2. To: Deckard, Kidnappers, abortions after birth, murderers, molesters, slavers (#0)
Tater Molester
Kidnappers, molesters, murders, slavers
#3. To: Deckard, nolu chan (#0)
#4. To: A K A Stone (#3)
The doctor, learning they had not gone to the ER, called DCS, and later that night, the family got a visit from Chandler police.
#5. To: A K A Stone (#3)
Sounds pretty messed up.
Sound petty much like Sarah Beck and Brooks Bryce messed up I wonder if there is more to the story.
There always is when Deckard posts an article. Do you think the hospital called the cops?
It doesn’t matter if the doctor or the hospital called the cops. It is blatantly obvious from the testimony that the doctor felt the child was sick enough and had symptoms of meningitis at that time for him to INSTRUCT the parents to TAKE the child to the ER.
#6. To: A K A Stone (#5)
I will have a follow up …
#7. To: Deckard (#0)
Beck says the doctor found Heber's temperature to be 105 degrees and instructed them to take him to the ER, mentioning a concern for meningitis. Once in her car, his mother retook his temperature and found it was 102.
The story could have been just as easily written this way: Sarah Beck and Brooks Bryce decided the 105 degree fever their child, Heber, had was of no concern after they returned to their car and the mother retook his temperature and found it was 102.
#8. To: Gatlin (#5)
It is blatantly obvious from the testimony that the doctor felt the child was sick enough and had symptoms of meningitis at that time for him to INSTRUCT the parents to TAKE the child to the ER.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#9. To: Gatlin (#7)
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Twenty-four hours late, Heber died from a form of bacterial meningitis
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#10. To: Gatlin, the obedient one (#5)
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[Doctor] INSTRUCT the parents to TAKE the child to the ER
#11. To: A K A Stone, Deckard, Gatlin, GrandIsland (#3)
Sounds pretty messed up. I wonder if there is more to the story.
"The doctor, learning they had not gone to the ER, called DCS, and later that night...."
Police said the incident started on Feb. 25, when parents Sarah Beck and Brooks Bryce brought their 2-year-old son Heber to the Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine because the child was suffering from a fever.
the Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine
According to the police report, they made the decision to go inside the home because:
Arizona's scope of practice
8. "Approved school of naturopathic medicine" or "school of naturopathic medicine" means a school or college determined by the board to have an educational program that meets standards prescribed by the council on naturopathic medical education, or its successor agency, and that offers a course of study that, on successful completion, results in the awarding of the degree of doctor of naturopathic medicine and whose course of study is either of the following:
#12. To: nolu chan (#11)
A kid swallowed all the Scrabble letters. Now his poop shows more intelligence than a libertarian.
#13. To: Deckard (#9)
Twenty-four hours late, Heber died from a form of bacterial meningitis
Couple whose infant son died from meningitis has message for other parents
The Chandler couple was lucky, but I have a feeling they will never realize it. 
Four-month-old Killy Schultz, pictured with mother Alex Dempsey, died 24 hours after first showing symptoms of meningitis. Alex Dempsey
#14. To: GrandIsland, nolu chan (#12)
A kid swallowed all the Scrabble letters. Now his poop shows more intelligence than a libertarian.
#15. To: Gatlin, nolu chan (#13)
I’d say when a doctor “instructs” to take your baby to the ER that you do so.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#16. To: Deckard, A K A Stone (#15)
I’d say when a doctor “instructs” to take your baby to the ER that you do so.
The doctor could not make a medical diagnosis because he did not have the equipment at the Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine. (read on) Natural medicine can also be referred to as naturopathy; it is a form of alternative medicine which involves homeopathy, herbalism, acupuncture, diet and lifestyle counselling, and more. It is thought that naturopathy originates back to 400BC and its founding principles were discovered by the Greek philosopher Hippocrates.
It is known that some people in the “alternative medical practices” are FANATIC.
#17. To: All, A KA A Stone (#16)
#18. To: Gatlin (#16)
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The question remains unaddressed in why the couple did not go directly to the ER with a child having 105 degree temperature.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#19. To: Deckard (#18)
The question remains unaddressed in why the couple did not go directly to the ER with a child having 105 degree temperature.
#20. To: Gatlin (#19)
Later: "As I was on the phone with the officer I took his temperature, it was 100 degrees. There's no reason to give up my kids because he has a temperature of 100 degrees and sleeping," said Bryce.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#21. To: Deckard (#20)
#22. To: Deckard (#20)
It's a shame that your obsessive fetish for authority will only allow you to see this family as child abusers.
#23. To: Deckard (#20)
And you believed this.
#24. To: Deckard (#20)
(Edited)
It's a shame that your obsessive fetish for authority will only allow you to see this family as child abusers.
#25. To: GrandIsland, Deckard (#24)
Thousands of children are killed at the hands of their parents, every year.
#26. To: buckeroo (#25)
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#27. To: GrandIsland (#26)
#28. To: buckeroo (#27)
Are you watching your reflection in a mirror
#29. To: GrandIsland (#28)
Thousands of children are killed at the hands of their parents, every year.
#30. To: buckeroo (#29)
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#34. To: buckeroo, GrandIsland, Che Gatlin (#33)
your posts having over 50,000 rounds of ammunition preparing for some make-believe war.
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#36. To: hondo68 (#34)
#37. To: GrandIsland (#35)
It was your Paultard buddies that first started to claim we are gonna collapse and a revolution would follow.
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#39. To: GrandIsland (#35)
boris
#40. To: BorisY (#39)
Jim Jones
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