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Title: Chandler police remove kids from home after sick child not taken to hospital
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AZ Family
URL Source: https://www.azfamily.com/news/chand ... 9a-11e9-abf4-7fa4eaa39a0b.html
Published: Mar 2, 2019
Author: News Staff
Post Date: 2019-03-02 13:59:38 by Deckard
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CHANDLER, AZ (3TV/CBS 5) - It's been almost three days since a Chandler couple last saw their children. It all began with a trip to the doctor because their toddler had a high fever. Now all three of their children are in the custody of the Department of Child Safety. Police said the incident started on Feb. 25, when parents Sarah Beck and Brooks Bryce brought their 2-year-old son Heber to the Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine because the child was suffering from a fever. Beck says the doctor found Heber's temperature to be 105 degrees and instructed them to take him to the ER, mentioning a concern for meningitis. Once in her car, his mother retook his temperature and found it was going down. "He's acting normal. He's dancing with his sisters in his car seat. And I take his temperature and it's 102," said Beck. So they went home. She says by then the fever had dropped even more. "We love our children, we love them. If our children needed help, we would absolutely help them," said Beck. "I told the doctor that I'd bring my son back for her to check and make sure that his fever was lower, and she said she wouldn't see him, and I had to take him in." The doctor, learning they had not gone to the ER, called DCS, and later that night, the family got a visit from Chandler police. Officers went to the family's home to check the child's welfare, but no one answered the door, even though police could hear "someone coughing inside one of the bedrooms," according to the police report. After several failed attempts to get someone to open the door, police called the boy's father. Police said Bryce answered the phone but told police that his son's fever had broken and "he was fine." According to the police report, Bryce was "argumentative and refused to exit the residence to talk with officers or DCS investigators." "Like we're holding our kids hostage or they're deathly ill or barely alive. He was perfectly fine. He was in my arms sleeping. As I was on the phone with the officer I took his temperature, it was 100 degrees. There's no reason to give up my kids because he has a temperature of 100 degrees and sleeping," said Bryce. When those inside the house continued to refuse to open the door, police said, "The decision was made to force entry of the home for DCS in order to take custody of the child." According to the police report, they made the decision to go inside the home because: -"there was a present danger [to the child] that required immediate medical attention" -"Brooks and Sarah refused to come outside and refused to let DCS check on the welfare of [the child]." -"There was a court order signed by the judge giving DCS temporary custody of [the child] in order to get him medical treatment." So, police forced open the door. According to the police statement: "The front door was breached and the family members were called out of the residence." The family's security camera recorded the moment police kicked open the door. Inside the residence, two additional children (aged 4 and 6) were located, and police say they were also suffering "similar symptoms to include vomiting," according to the police document. Inside the home, police said conditions were so cluttered and messy in the children's rooms that it was "difficult to walk in the rooms." One officer wrote in the police report, "There was clutter everywhere. The house was filled with items everywhere I looked." The officer also said there were stains in the children's bedrooms and that children had told police they had vomited several times in their beds. Police also said that inside the parents' room, "a shotgun was lying next to the bed, against the wall, and was not locked or secured." "The clutter was laundry on our couch," said Bryce. He says the children had been vomiting, but they were moved from their beds to sleep with their parents after messing their own beds. As for the shotgun, he said, "it actually is inert. It does not work." Two of the children were transported to the hospital by ambulance, while the third was transported by DCS. The 2-year-old was later admitted to the hospital, according to police. Their parents have not heard from them since. "I'm just beside myself. I just want my kids. I just want to know are they OK?" said Beck. No charges were filed at the time. But police said detectives will follow up to determine if there are any criminal charges to pursue against the parents.
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#7. To: Deckard (#0)
The story on this thread was written this way: Twenty-four hours late, Heber died from a form of bacterial meningitis, leaving the couple from Chandler, Arizona, grieving the loss of their child and looking to spread a message to other parents. […]
Fearmongering tool! Police said Bryce answered the phone but told police that his son's fever had broken and "he was fine." "Like we're holding our kids hostage or they're deathly ill or barely alive. He was perfectly fine. He was in my arms sleeping. As I was on the phone with the officer I took his temperature, it was 100 degrees. There's no reason to give up my kids because he has a temperature of 100 degrees and sleeping," said Bryce. Not surprised however that once again your socialist views on raising children has you siding with CPS and not the parents. Do you have any idea how criminally corrupt Child Protective Services is? That's a pity. The U.S. Foster Care System: Modern Day Slavery and Child Trafficking
Fearmongering tool! In law I would have been accused of entrapment. You were set up. The story I gave you was paraphrased from the story below. July 13, 2018 - By Scott Stump. Alex Dempsey and Gabriel Schultz thought their 4-month-old son, Killy, just had a normal fever when they picked him up from day care at the end of last month. Twenty-four hours later, on June 30, Killy died from a form of bacterial meningitis, leaving the couple from Richmond, Virginia, grieving the loss of their only child together and looking to spread a message to other parents. [….] Rest of story at the link: Couple whose infant son died from meningitis has message for other parents. This true story could have been their story … I’d say when a doctor “instructs” to take your baby to the ER that you do so.
They were with a "doctor" at a college of medicine. The "doctor" did not make a medical diagnosis, he mentioned a concern. The "doctor" advised the parents to go to the ER, presumably another facility altogether (read on). Why did the "doctor" release the patient to the parents rather than have the emergency patient transported to the ER if there was a "present danger" requiring "immediate attention?" H/T: nolu chan
They were with a "doctor" at a college of medicine. The "doctor" did not make a medical diagnosis, he mentioned a concern. The "doctor" advised the parents to go to the ER, presumably another facility altogether (read on). Why did the "doctor" release the patient to the parents rather than have the emergency patient transported to the ER if there was a "present danger" requiring "immediate attention?" H/T: nolu chan The Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine & Health Sciences is the leading medical school dedicated to a comprehensive team approach to natural health. Did you read that….it said “natural health” and dealing with possible meningitis is definitely not NATURAL HEALTH. This college did not have the equipment to test for meningitis. (read pm) It is in some cases faster to drive to the ER than to call an ambulance. I know this from experience. Also I know 5hq5 calling an ambulance in Chandler and the surrounding area can cost as much as five thousand dollars. Sarah Beck and Brooks Bryce may not have had, or wanted to fork out, THOUSANDS of dollars for a few blocks ride in an ambulance when driving was much faster. (read on) The doctor was an ND and not a MD trained in the diagnosis and treatment of meningitis. The question remains unaddressed in why the couple did not go directly to the ER with a child having 105 degree temperature. Since they went directly to a ND I have the distinct they couple are true believers in Naturopathic Medicine. I am surprised the ND even instructed them to go to the ER. I believe he did so because of his deep concern about meningitis and Another distinct possibility is that these people may be true believers in “natural medicine” and would never go to an ER. We don’t know. Do you even know what natural medicine is? Probably not. Here, let me educate you. As Stone said earlier: “ I wonder if there is more to the story.” From what I have learned so far, there definitely has been lots of information omitted, either by design of ignorance. F/N: Gatlin
I will leave the thread with this summary. It is obvious this couple were true believers in “natural medicine” because they went to a ND in College of Naturopathic Medicine. I am here today to tell you if I have a child that a ND who definitely believes in the healing effects of natural medicine and probably teaches natural medicine at the college thinks for one second that my child may have meningitis and has no way of even testing for meningitis or treating meningitis instructs me to make my child to the ER….BAM, I am on my way très rapidement. These believers in “natural medicine” did not go. Yes, Stone, I believe there is MUCH more to this story.
Was that obvious to the naturopathic doctor, or do you and I just have psychic abilities not apparent in the N.D.? He allegedly had a child with a 105º fever. He delivered the child back into the care and custody of parents who were "true believers" in "natural medicine." And why did he believe they would? Later that day, did he develop a concern about the child or his license? Assuming he had been correct in his incompetent non-professional suspicion, and the child died that night, how would he explain returning the child with the 105° fever to the care and custody of true believers in natural medicine?
It was “obvious” to me because with a child having a temperature of 105 (if information in the article is correct) and we don’t know of any other symptoms the child may have had, they went to a ND instead of the ER in Chandler. Do you?
[#51] I have no idea what was obvious to the naturopathic doctor. We know what is obvious to you, me, and most people of reasonable intelligence.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Beck says the doctor found Heber's temperature to be 105 degrees and instructed them to take him to the ER, mentioning a concern for meningitis. Once in her car, his mother retook his temperature and found it was 102.
The story could have been just as easily written this way: Sarah Beck and Brooks Bryce decided the 105 degree fever their child, Heber, had was of no concern after they returned to their car and the mother retook his temperature and found it was 102.
#9. To: Gatlin (#7)
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Twenty-four hours late, Heber died from a form of bacterial meningitis
#13. To: Deckard (#9)
Twenty-four hours late, Heber died from a form of bacterial meningitis
Couple whose infant son died from meningitis has message for other parents
The Chandler couple was lucky, but I have a feeling they will never realize it. 
Four-month-old Killy Schultz, pictured with mother Alex Dempsey, died 24 hours after first showing symptoms of meningitis. Alex Dempsey
#15. To: Gatlin, nolu chan (#13)
I’d say when a doctor “instructs” to take your baby to the ER that you do so.
#16. To: Deckard, A K A Stone (#15)
I’d say when a doctor “instructs” to take your baby to the ER that you do so.
The doctor could not make a medical diagnosis because he did not have the equipment at the Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine. (read on) Natural medicine can also be referred to as naturopathy; it is a form of alternative medicine which involves homeopathy, herbalism, acupuncture, diet and lifestyle counselling, and more. It is thought that naturopathy originates back to 400BC and its founding principles were discovered by the Greek philosopher Hippocrates.
It is known that some people in the “alternative medical practices” are FANATIC.
#17. To: All, A KA A Stone (#16)
#50. To: Gatlin, Deckard, A K A Stone, Tooconservative (#17)
It is obvious this couple were true believers in “natural medicine” because they went to a ND in College of Naturopathic Medicine.
These believers in “natural medicine” did not go.
#51. To: nolu chan (#50)
It is obvious this couple were true believers in “natural medicine” because they went to a ND in College of Naturopathic Medicine.
It was obvious (I should have added “to me”) … Was that obvious to the naturopathic doctor …
I have no idea what was obvious to the naturopathic doctor. I don’t even know if he “mentioned” meningitis, as it reported the mother stated to the media. I can only believe that SOMETHING was obvious to the ND that the child needed to go t the ER and that he felt it was severe enough to call DCS. … or do you and I just have psychic abilities not apparent in the N.D.?
I of course do not.
#59. To: Gatlin (#51)
It is obvious this couple were true believers in “natural medicine” because they went to a ND in College of Naturopathic Medicine.
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