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Title: Chandler police remove kids from home after sick child not taken to hospital
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Published: Mar 2, 2019
Author: News Staff
Post Date: 2019-03-02 13:59:38 by Deckard
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CHANDLER, AZ (3TV/CBS 5) - It's been almost three days since a Chandler couple last saw their children. It all began with a trip to the doctor because their toddler had a high fever. Now all three of their children are in the custody of the Department of Child Safety. Police said the incident started on Feb. 25, when parents Sarah Beck and Brooks Bryce brought their 2-year-old son Heber to the Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine because the child was suffering from a fever. Beck says the doctor found Heber's temperature to be 105 degrees and instructed them to take him to the ER, mentioning a concern for meningitis. Once in her car, his mother retook his temperature and found it was going down. "He's acting normal. He's dancing with his sisters in his car seat. And I take his temperature and it's 102," said Beck. So they went home. She says by then the fever had dropped even more. "We love our children, we love them. If our children needed help, we would absolutely help them," said Beck. "I told the doctor that I'd bring my son back for her to check and make sure that his fever was lower, and she said she wouldn't see him, and I had to take him in." The doctor, learning they had not gone to the ER, called DCS, and later that night, the family got a visit from Chandler police. Officers went to the family's home to check the child's welfare, but no one answered the door, even though police could hear "someone coughing inside one of the bedrooms," according to the police report. After several failed attempts to get someone to open the door, police called the boy's father. Police said Bryce answered the phone but told police that his son's fever had broken and "he was fine." According to the police report, Bryce was "argumentative and refused to exit the residence to talk with officers or DCS investigators." "Like we're holding our kids hostage or they're deathly ill or barely alive. He was perfectly fine. He was in my arms sleeping. As I was on the phone with the officer I took his temperature, it was 100 degrees. There's no reason to give up my kids because he has a temperature of 100 degrees and sleeping," said Bryce. When those inside the house continued to refuse to open the door, police said, "The decision was made to force entry of the home for DCS in order to take custody of the child." According to the police report, they made the decision to go inside the home because: -"there was a present danger [to the child] that required immediate medical attention" -"Brooks and Sarah refused to come outside and refused to let DCS check on the welfare of [the child]." -"There was a court order signed by the judge giving DCS temporary custody of [the child] in order to get him medical treatment." So, police forced open the door. According to the police statement: "The front door was breached and the family members were called out of the residence." The family's security camera recorded the moment police kicked open the door. Inside the residence, two additional children (aged 4 and 6) were located, and police say they were also suffering "similar symptoms to include vomiting," according to the police document. Inside the home, police said conditions were so cluttered and messy in the children's rooms that it was "difficult to walk in the rooms." One officer wrote in the police report, "There was clutter everywhere. The house was filled with items everywhere I looked." The officer also said there were stains in the children's bedrooms and that children had told police they had vomited several times in their beds. Police also said that inside the parents' room, "a shotgun was lying next to the bed, against the wall, and was not locked or secured." "The clutter was laundry on our couch," said Bryce. He says the children had been vomiting, but they were moved from their beds to sleep with their parents after messing their own beds. As for the shotgun, he said, "it actually is inert. It does not work." Two of the children were transported to the hospital by ambulance, while the third was transported by DCS. The 2-year-old was later admitted to the hospital, according to police. Their parents have not heard from them since. "I'm just beside myself. I just want my kids. I just want to know are they OK?" said Beck. No charges were filed at the time. But police said detectives will follow up to determine if there are any criminal charges to pursue against the parents.
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#15. To: Gatlin, nolu chan (#13)
They were with a "doctor" at a college of medicine. The "doctor" did not make a medical diagnosis, he mentioned a concern. The "doctor" advised the parents to go to the ER, presumably another facility altogether (read on). Why did the "doctor" release the patient to the parents rather than have the emergency patient transported to the ER if there was a "present danger" requiring "immediate attention?" H/T: nolu chan
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. They were with a "doctor" at a college of medicine. The "doctor" did not make a medical diagnosis, he mentioned a concern. The "doctor" advised the parents to go to the ER, presumably another facility altogether (read on). Why did the "doctor" release the patient to the parents rather than have the emergency patient transported to the ER if there was a "present danger" requiring "immediate attention?" H/T: nolu chan The Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine & Health Sciences is the leading medical school dedicated to a comprehensive team approach to natural health. Did you read that….it said “natural health” and dealing with possible meningitis is definitely not NATURAL HEALTH. This college did not have the equipment to test for meningitis. (read pm) It is in some cases faster to drive to the ER than to call an ambulance. I know this from experience. Also I know 5hq5 calling an ambulance in Chandler and the surrounding area can cost as much as five thousand dollars. Sarah Beck and Brooks Bryce may not have had, or wanted to fork out, THOUSANDS of dollars for a few blocks ride in an ambulance when driving was much faster. (read on) The doctor was an ND and not a MD trained in the diagnosis and treatment of meningitis. The question remains unaddressed in why the couple did not go directly to the ER with a child having 105 degree temperature. Since they went directly to a ND I have the distinct they couple are true believers in Naturopathic Medicine. I am surprised the ND even instructed them to go to the ER. I believe he did so because of his deep concern about meningitis and Another distinct possibility is that these people may be true believers in “natural medicine” and would never go to an ER. We don’t know. Do you even know what natural medicine is? Probably not. Here, let me educate you. As Stone said earlier: “ I wonder if there is more to the story.” From what I have learned so far, there definitely has been lots of information omitted, either by design of ignorance. F/N: Gatlin
I will leave the thread with this summary. It is obvious this couple were true believers in “natural medicine” because they went to a ND in College of Naturopathic Medicine. I am here today to tell you if I have a child that a ND who definitely believes in the healing effects of natural medicine and probably teaches natural medicine at the college thinks for one second that my child may have meningitis and has no way of even testing for meningitis or treating meningitis instructs me to make my child to the ER….BAM, I am on my way très rapidement. These believers in “natural medicine” did not go. Yes, Stone, I believe there is MUCH more to this story.
Once in her car, his mother retook his temperature and found it was going down. "He's acting normal. He's dancing with his sisters in his car seat. And I take his temperature and it's 102," said Beck. Later: "As I was on the phone with the officer I took his temperature, it was 100 degrees. There's no reason to give up my kids because he has a temperature of 100 degrees and sleeping," said Bryce. Socialists Melissa Harris Perry (and Tater) - Children Belong to the Collective Not Parents or Families
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. Once in her car, his mother retook his temperature and found it was going down. "He's acting normal. He's dancing with his sisters in his car seat. And I take his temperature and it's 102," said Beck. Later: "As I was on the phone with the officer I took his temperature, it was 100 degrees. There's no reason to give up my kids because he has a temperature of 100 degrees and sleeping," said Bryce. And you believed this. Sad ...
And you believed this. And you didn't? It's a shame that your obsessive fetish for authority will only allow you to see this family as child abusers. If the child had still had an abnormally high fever, I have no doubt that these parents would have gone to the emergency room
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. Sure. /s
What I see is that DCS has been called to their house many times. And the police report show there was vomit all over the kids room. And the mother admitted that. If it walks like a duck ...
And you didn't? Not from the beginning. Not even from the same story on the other thread you posted. The fact check always reveals the lies in the articles you post.
It's a shame that your obsessive fetish for anarchy will only allow you to see this family as saints. Thousands of children are killed at the hands of their parents, every year. Scumbag.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
And here you are, on a chit-chat channel doing nothing at all.
I’m actually multitasking, you jungle pedophile. I’m drinking a beer, eating buffalo wings, watching UFC ... and correcting all your Paultard deceit. So, kindly fuck off, BuckerGoo.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Oh my! A great man that you are! Are you watching your reflection in a mirror? I think so.
Well, BuckerGoo, you can’t make it on a UFC fight card if you’re an over sensitized pussy... like Paultards and Dimrats. In a MMA match, they ain’t all equal... and there’s no compassion for the loser. lol
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
So that's your your complaint now? What happened to the children just a few minutes ago?
Of course that’s a concern. Can you imagine how many scumbag Americans move their little children to the 3rd world jungles, like Belize, so they can rape the kids and not worry about DSS?
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
No. What on Earth is on your demented mind?
Well, you can’t deny that some folk might hate cops and DSS, simply because they are fucking their own children. You deny this?
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I have learned that anything you post is a GOD DAMNED LIE. Similar to your posts having over 50,000 rounds of ammunition preparing for some make-believe war.
He's going to need a hell of a lot more than that for confiscations from libertarians, like "Take the Guns First". The Trumpkanista Canary gun grabbers are outnumbered, and out gunned.
Make believe war? It was your Paultard buddies that first started to claim we are gonna collapse and a revolution would follow. You deny this, BuckerGoo?
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Ha... I’m not for any confiscation, unless you’re not a citizen, or a felon. In BuckerGoo’s case, he’s both lol
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Your narrative is a problem. You make everything up as you can.
Really, BuckerGoo? LP was packed full of the end are coming Paultards 10 years ago. Are you fucking kidding? It’s FACT. However, I do not think the end of anything will come during my lifetime... not even a collapse. However, I hope some situation develops where it’s legal for me to hunt snowflakes, welfare, illegals, drug addicts and libertarians.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
for discipline Jimmy Jones was bf - ing The unruly he haTed To have To do iT belize - guyana aren'T They The same Thing love If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
That’s right, Boris. Jim Jones ran off to the jungle because he too liked fucking his children. He was a government and cop hater too. Sick twisted fucks, they are. Good catch.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
David Koresh also hated cops and government... he ran off to a secluded DRY wooden structure, to fuck his children. He figured his compound was as secluded as a jungle, if he refused to answer the door for 51 days. lol
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Have you noticed the correlation between grandchildren fuckers and government/cop haters?
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
In a MMA match, they ain’t all equal... and there’s no compassion for the loser. Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. If some fags like Gatlin, GI, and yukon want to go to a gay catfight, I could care less. Homo's gonna homo.
Stone - is this the kind of perverted filth you want at your site?
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. Spoken like a true sociopath. Good grief man, WTF is wrong with you?
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. That is your best chance at propagating just your agenda here... convincing Stone to ban all voices that aren’t anti cop, pro drugs. Lots of government & cop hating folk do so because they are actively breaking laws. Dumb shit. Many flee the country to avoid detection, dumb shit. Many rape children or their own children, dip shit. Jones and Keresh were two examples of seeking seclusion to avoid detection, dumb shit.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Relax princess, no one wants to see you banned. I'd be happy to see you start posting like a sane adult instead of of a drunk sociopath.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. The extremely relevant point is that the N.D. could not make a diagnosis. He lacked competency to do so. Given all the equipment he desired, was the N.D. licensed and competent to render a competent medical professional opinion of a positive or negative diagnosis of infectious meningitis? The answer appears clear that he was not. That's much better. The N.D. was not trained to diagnose meningitis. I would also doubt his medical competence to differentiate between the symptoms of bacterial or viral infection. The judge acted with zero competent evidence that there was any bacterial infection. If a friend who had some medical knowledge, perhaps a former military corpman or medic, or an LPN expressed a belief that the child might have infectious meningitis, I should think that the parents should take the child to a competent medical professional. However, that is not the question I address in this case. It is not a case of what the parents should have done, but whether the N.D. failed in his professional responsibilities, or the DCS, the police, or the judge failed in their responsibilities or exceeded their authority. Notably absent from any recitation I have read so far is one syllable directly attributable to the N.D. If the N.D. believed it was probable that the child had infectious meningitis, he should have notified the receiving hospital so they could be prepared to receive a suspected infectious meningitis case, and forwarded the medical record. He should not have advised the parents to transport the child to some ER unannounced, there to plop in the waiting area to mix and mingle. The N.D. is without authority to order or instruct the parents that they must go to the ER. As an N.D., he must know that his business is significantly an assembly of people who choose not to go to medical doctors. If he has a patient with a 105ºF temperature, how can he release said patient into the care of the parents?? The mother said the temperature went down to 102ºF on the ride home. The mother said she called the N.D. in the afternoon and informed him the temperature had gone down. So the N.D. knew the parents had not gone to the ER that afternoon, but it became an undiagnosed medical emergency later that night. “They said ‘Brooks, you have to come out of your house right now… we have to check on them [kids],’ and I said, ‘I have Heber in my arms, he’s doing fine, his temperature is 100 degrees. So, in the course of their nighttime investigation, DCS is outside his door telling him he must come out, and he says the child is fine and his temperature is 100 degrees. Why didn't they force entry at that time? After that, What could they possibly tell the judge? They have a non-professional opinion that the child might have infectious meningitis? -“Brooks and Sarah refused to come outside and refused to let DCS check on the welfare of [the child].” -“There was a court order signed by the judge giving DCS temporary custody of [the child] in order to get him medical treatment.” - - - - - - - - - - How could these medical incompetents possibly swear to a judge that there affirmatively was a present danger, or that it required immediate medical attention? If so, they could have brought a doctor, or at least a quick read thermometer. There is that little problem that they had no judge's order when they made their request. They requested the judge's order in response to that. What statement or medical record did they obtain from the naturopathic provider who was incompetent to render a competent professional medical opinion on whether the child did, or did not, have contagious meningitis, any other bacterial infection, or the flu. Over on the other thread, So, they concluded coughing means meningitis? https://www.healthline.com/health/meningitis Coughing does not appear to be a symptom of bacterial or other meningitis. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/flu/symptoms-causes/syc-20351719 Dry, persistent cough; nasal congestion; and sore throat are symptoms of the flu, a viral infection. So they broke in the door and, That is worse than the DNC on spin cycle. The police found the children symptomatic. In their very best competent professional medical opinion, they found the children symptomatic of what? What exactly is their expertise in medical diagnostics? Ph.D., piled higher and deeper? There was absolutely no basis for the claim that the naturopath's concerns were unfounded. If the naturopath's concerns, whatever they may have been, were well founded, why was only one child admitted? According to the medical expertise indicated in the police report, all three of the children were found "symptomatic." What, one had more serious symptoms of contagious bacterial meningitis than the other two? Two symptomatic children could be released and not need isolation to protect the world from contagious infectious meningitis? And it appears the parents were not checked out for bugsies at all. While doctors admitted Heder to treat his symptoms, that falls far short of stating Heder had contagious bacterial meningitis, or any bacterial infection at all. Maybe Heder was dehydrated and they hooked him up to a bag of fluids to treat his symptoms from the flu. What was his temperature at the house? What emergency care was given? What was the child's temperature at admittance? In any case, this information was not available when authorities requested, and the judge ordered the forced entry. One may not bootstrap information found after the fact to justify the order. What evidence did the judge have that there was a medical emergency that night? A veterinarian may be better qualified to diagnose a bacterial infection than anyone involved in this matter prior to arrrival at the hospital. Do the belated concerns of the N.D., on their own, justify the nighttime forced entry? What else did they have? There is the alleged temperature of 105º attributed to a naturopath, at some unidentified time. The mother called the N.D. later, sometime in the afternoon. DCS showed up still later, that night. The father told the police, on the phone, the child's temperature was then 100º. Did they check the temperature with a quick read thermometer? It only takes seconds. The question is whether there was a medical emergency at nighttime when requesting a judge to authorize a forced entry. Did the N.D. call the receiving hospital and forward the medical record? If not, why not? I would bet the farm that the N.D. did not call the hospital, did not forward the medical record, and did not provide medical paperwork to the parents to take with them. Did the judge speak to the N.D.? Did the judge inquire and know that the doctor in question was an N.D., not an M.D.? Did the requesting authority make that known to the judge? Did the requesting authority make known to the judge that the N.D. was incompetent to render a medical diagnosis of meningitis or bacterial infection, and that he did not make any such diagnosis? Was the judge informed that the father just told the police that the child's temperature was 100°? Quite simply, did they have sufficient competent information to make breaking down the door legal? Did the requesting authority withhold relevant information? [Think FISA warrant.] The judge and DCS and the N.D. may yet have some splainin' to do. Another masterpiece of obfuscatory writing with the passive tense has the decision appear to have descended from the heavens. It is not attributed to any person or agency. The decision was an orphan that just appeared.
A kid swallowed all the Scrabble letters. Now his poop shows more intelligence than a libertarian.
Was that obvious to the naturopathic doctor, or do you and I just have psychic abilities not apparent in the N.D.? He allegedly had a child with a 105º fever. He delivered the child back into the care and custody of parents who were "true believers" in "natural medicine." And why did he believe they would? Later that day, did he develop a concern about the child or his license? Assuming he had been correct in his incompetent non-professional suspicion, and the child died that night, how would he explain returning the child with the 105° fever to the care and custody of true believers in natural medicine?
A kid swallowed all the Scrabble letters. Now his poop shows more intelligence than a libertarian.
It was “obvious” to me because with a child having a temperature of 105 (if information in the article is correct) and we don’t know of any other symptoms the child may have had, they went to a ND instead of the ER in Chandler. Do you?
These believers in “natural medicine” did not go. And why did he believe they would?
But it was reported that the mother called him later that day and told him she had not taken the child to the ER. If that be true, I can readily assume that was “when” he “again” become concerned about the child. And maybe also concern about his license. I will add … And also concern about the possibility of a lawsuit for malpractice. Who knows? Only that ND knows …
When those inside the house continued to refuse to open the door, police said, "The decision was made to force entry of the home for DCS in order to take custody of the child." I could take a couple stabs at the meaning or intended meaning. But I’d rather not.
And the fawning media, busy fellating the jackbooted CPS and cops for their kidnapping under color of authority, never bother to point out just how shady and lawyerly these "official statements" really are. It sounds like the authorities already know they did wrong and are perhaps withholding these children from their parents while they figure out a way to keep from getting their asses sued off in court. Outstanding post, start to finish.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestI’d say when a doctor “instructs” to take your baby to the ER that you do so.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#16. To: Deckard, A K A Stone (#15)
I’d say when a doctor “instructs” to take your baby to the ER that you do so.
The doctor could not make a medical diagnosis because he did not have the equipment at the Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine. (read on) Natural medicine can also be referred to as naturopathy; it is a form of alternative medicine which involves homeopathy, herbalism, acupuncture, diet and lifestyle counselling, and more. It is thought that naturopathy originates back to 400BC and its founding principles were discovered by the Greek philosopher Hippocrates.
It is known that some people in the “alternative medical practices” are FANATIC.
#17. To: All, A KA A Stone (#16)
#18. To: Gatlin (#16)
(Edited)
The question remains unaddressed in why the couple did not go directly to the ER with a child having 105 degree temperature.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#19. To: Deckard (#18)
The question remains unaddressed in why the couple did not go directly to the ER with a child having 105 degree temperature.
#20. To: Gatlin (#19)
Later: "As I was on the phone with the officer I took his temperature, it was 100 degrees. There's no reason to give up my kids because he has a temperature of 100 degrees and sleeping," said Bryce.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#21. To: Deckard (#20)
#22. To: Deckard (#20)
It's a shame that your obsessive fetish for authority will only allow you to see this family as child abusers.
#23. To: Deckard (#20)
And you believed this.
#24. To: Deckard (#20)
(Edited)
It's a shame that your obsessive fetish for authority will only allow you to see this family as child abusers.
#25. To: GrandIsland, Deckard (#24)
Thousands of children are killed at the hands of their parents, every year.
#26. To: buckeroo (#25)
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#27. To: GrandIsland (#26)
#28. To: buckeroo (#27)
Are you watching your reflection in a mirror
#29. To: GrandIsland (#28)
Thousands of children are killed at the hands of their parents, every year.
#30. To: buckeroo (#29)
(Edited)
#31. To: GrandIsland (#30)
#32. To: buckeroo (#31)
#33. To: GrandIsland (#32)
#34. To: buckeroo, GrandIsland, Che Gatlin (#33)
your posts having over 50,000 rounds of ammunition preparing for some make-believe war.
#35. To: buckeroo (#33)
#36. To: hondo68 (#34)
#37. To: GrandIsland (#35)
It was your Paultard buddies that first started to claim we are gonna collapse and a revolution would follow.
#38. To: buckeroo (#37)
#39. To: GrandIsland (#35)
boris
#40. To: BorisY (#39)
Jim Jones
#41. To: BorisY (#39)
#42. To: Deckard (#0)
#43. To: GrandIsland, buckeroo, hondo68 (#28)
You can’t make it on a UFC fight card if you’re an over sensitized pussy...
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#44. To: Deckard, LGBTQetc Canaries (#43)
#45. To: GrandIsland, A K A Stone (#42)
Have you noticed the correlation between grandchildren fuckers and government/cop haters?
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#46. To: GrandIsland (#38)
I hope some situation develops where it’s legal for me to hunt snowflakes, welfare, illegals, drug addicts and libertarians.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#47. To: Deckard (#45)
#48. To: GrandIsland (#47)
convincing Stone to ban all voices that aren’t anti cop, pro drugs.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#49. To: Gatlin, Deckard, A K A Stone, Tooconservative (#16)
The doctor could not make a medical diagnosis because he did not have the equipment at the Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine.
The doctor was an ND and not a MD trained in the diagnosis and treatment of meningitis.
The question remains unaddressed in why the couple did not go directly to the ER with a child having 105 degree temperature. Since they went directly to a ND I have the distinct they couple are true believers in Naturopathic Medicine. I am surprised the ND even instructed them to go to the ER. I believe he did so because of his deep concern about meningitis
The doctor, learning they had not gone to the ER, called DCS, and later that night, the family got a visit from Chandler police.
After receiving the report from the doctor, DCS reached out to the parents to investigate. Brooks said that he spoke with a social worker and refused to take his son to the hospital. Brooks told AZ Family,
Unable to convince the couple to take Heder to the hospital, DCS requested a temporary custody order from a judge.
Details from the police report:
-“there was a present danger [to the child] that required immediate medical attention”
-“there was a present danger [to the child] that required immediate medical attention”
-“Brooks and Sarah refused to come outside and refused to let DCS check on the welfare of [the child].”
-“There was a court order signed by the judge giving DCS temporary custody of [the child] in order to get him medical treatment.”
Officers went to the family's home to check the child's welfare, but no one answered the door, even though police could hear "someone coughing inside one of the bedrooms," according to the police report.
Inside the home, the police say they found all three children sick and symptomatic.
After completing a search of the home, the police called for an ambulance. Two of the children were taken by ambulance to the hospital. A DCS worker took the third child to the hospital by car. The naturopath’s concerns were not unfounded. Doctors admitted Heder into the hospital to treat his symptoms.
When those inside the house continued to refuse to open the door, police said, "The decision was made to force entry of the home for DCS in order to take custody of the child."
#50. To: Gatlin, Deckard, A K A Stone, Tooconservative (#17)
It is obvious this couple were true believers in “natural medicine” because they went to a ND in College of Naturopathic Medicine.
These believers in “natural medicine” did not go.
#51. To: nolu chan (#50)
It is obvious this couple were true believers in “natural medicine” because they went to a ND in College of Naturopathic Medicine.
It was obvious (I should have added “to me”) … Was that obvious to the naturopathic doctor …
I have no idea what was obvious to the naturopathic doctor. I don’t even know if he “mentioned” meningitis, as it reported the mother stated to the media. I can only believe that SOMETHING was obvious to the ND that the child needed to go t the ER and that he felt it was severe enough to call DCS. … or do you and I just have psychic abilities not apparent in the N.D.?
I of course do not.
#52. To: nolu chan (#50)
He allegedly had a child with a 105º fever. He delivered the child back into the care and custody of parents who were "true believers" in "natural medicine."
That is a question that would need be asked of him.
#53. To: nolu chan (#50)
Later that day, did he develop a concern about the child or his license?
I have no idea.
#54. To: nolu chan (#49)
Another masterpiece of obfuscatory writing with the passive tense has the decision appear to have descended from the heavens. It is not attributed to any person or agency.
That’s true. The decision was an orphan that just appeared.
That I don’t understand.
#55. To: nolu chan (#49)
Another masterpiece of obfuscatory writing with the passive tense has the decision appear to have descended from the heavens. It is not attributed to any person or agency. The decision was an orphan that just appeared.
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