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Title: The New Police Motto: “Shoot First, Ask Questions Later”
Source: Lew Rockwell/NYPDTRUTH.COM
URL Source: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/02 ... oot-first-ask-questions-later/
Published: Feb 22, 2019
Author: John J. Baeza
Post Date: 2019-02-22 04:22:57 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 4081
Comments: 30

Being a police officer was not just a career for me- for better or worse it defined me.  Period.

Both my grandfathers were New York City cops; my late father was a Lt. in the New York City Fire Department; my uncle was a New York City cop for three years before he made the right move and switched over to the New York City Fire Department where he retired as a Battalion Chief. One of my cousins is a cop in the New York City suburbs.  Another cousin is a former New York State correction officer and yet another one is a firefighter in upstate New York. All have worked in some of the toughest neighborhoods and assignments in this country.

I had the fortune and honor of working in what was then, per capita, the most violent precinct in the city. It was one of the city’s smallest precincts covering less than one square mile.  And I knew this was a place of courage and honor on my first tour there when I swung open those heavy brass doors to enter the 32nd Precinct, Harlem.  The precinct had its own nickname: “The Tomb of Gloom.”  After opening those doors and never having done one minute on patrol how did I know the 32nd Precinct was hallowed ground and such a place of courage and honor?  As I stepped inside the precinct my attention was immediately drawn to a memorial for those 32nd  Precinct officers who made the supreme sacrifice and were killed in the line of duty. There are 26 plaques on that wall.  There were, by far, more names on that memorial wall than in any other of the city’s 77 precincts. In a precinct that covers less than one square mile.

While working my way up from patrolling a beat on foot to riding in a radio car with my partner I had the incredible luck to work with some of the bravest, most heroic cops on the face of the planet.  And there were a lot of them.  I looked up to them and they always had a kind word of advice for me that made me a better cop and helped me become the person I am today. I will never forget those men of honor.  In the 32nd Precinct there seemed to be an unwritten rule that, although you might unholster your gun 10 times each tour, you were more heroic if you could wrestle a gun out of someone’s hand. 

I was taught very early on that there was no honor in beating a fleeing criminal-especially if handcuffed.  I was taught that, in essence, I was the good guy and he was the bad guy and we both were doing our jobs.  It was not honorable to have a “heavy hand.”  It was only honorable to do your job and use only the force necessary to make the arrest.  In a precinct so small it is impossible to hide corruption and police brutality.  I did not see a hint of either during my years in the 32nd Precinct. I am proud to be a 32nd Precinct alumni.

When I look back on my experience at the 32nd Precinct I see real “peace officers” at work. No SWAT raids, no armored vehicles.  Just cops getting by with their wits, guts, and courage.

When I look at the current police culture I see a theme of “Officer Safety First, Citizens Second.”  Which leads to the other new unofficial motto “Shoot First, Ask Questions Later.”

I recently viewed a video of a speech made by Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY, Engine 69 in Harlem.

Ray’s speech was original and referred to the fire service but it mirrored the problem we see with the “Officer Safety First” police problem plaguing this country.[1]

I would like to adapt Ray’s speech and make it relevant to the problem with today’s policing.

The mantra of “the officer is first and the citizen, or even the criminal, is second” must be changed. This pecking order is the problem. This change can only come from good leadership and effective training starting at the police academy level and continuing throughout an officer’s career.

Attempting to make the officer’s job safer by teaching him to place himself above those in need is wrong.  We have seen this time and again with botched militarized search warrants and with officers refusing to engage a school shooter.

When that parent or teacher meets the officer outside the school or their house and tells the officer their child is trapped at gunpoint inside the officer is their last hope.  What is an officer to do?  Wait for a SWAT team or armored vehicle?  Wait for five other officers for backup?  No, the officer must find a way to save that life if humanly possible.  What are the officer’s chances?  Their chances are always the same-50/50.  Either you do it or you don’t.

We need more courage, determination, and pride. We need more of the old style “peace officer” tactics used as depicted on television by that Sheriff that rarely carried a gun-Andy Griffith. Some cops will respond “you are aware we are not in Mayberry anymore don’t you?” My reply to that is that people are people if you treat them with dignity and respect whether in Mayberry or Harlem.  We need to use tactics like those depicted by Paul Newman’s character in the movie “Fort Apache: The Bronx.”[2]

I will leave you with the following:  Too much officer safety makes Johnny a terrible leader, a poor last hope for the citizens he has sworn an oath to protect and serve, and a first rate candidate for a “shoot first, ask questions later” mentality.

[1] See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwiyP1JkTY8&t=1048s

[2] See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWshVtIA63Q

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#1. To: EVERYONE (#0) (Edited)

We need more courage, determination, and pride. We need more of the old style “peace officer” tactics used as depicted on television by that Sheriff that rarely carried a gun-Andy Griffith.
In order to return to the “old days” and have any of the old style “peace officers” we would need to again have “old style citizens” to lead America back to a traditional Conservative morality based on citizens’ self-reliance, decency, the family and respect for the law.

I look around my age group and see older people who are bewildered and heartily torn by a world that appears to sometimes changing far to fast in the wrong direction for comfort. The old certainties are now crumbling with traditional values falling away to be lost forever.

When I look at the current police culture I see a theme of “Officer Safety First, Citizens Second.” Which leads to the other new unofficial motto “Shoot First, Ask Questions Later.”
When I look at the current culture in an increasing number of the citizenry and I see a large and seemingly growing theme of “me first and my way above all.” Which leads to the new unofficial motto by radicals to say “fuck the police, I’ll do whatever I want to.”

So it all has begun that day after day, week after week and month after month we now see attacks on the very noble and stable pillars that are the foundation of our society – the Church, the law, the presidency and even the Constitution.

Where does it all end or start to end?

Not with another self-serving agenized bullshit article blaming the police for the problems that face us in trying to live in a harmonious and neighborly fashion.

No this should not be about the police. At least not entirely. Oh yea, the police do give us reason to be somewhat heartbroken today, the reason faux news assembles panels to talk about the fraught intersection between citizens and the law.

Can any thinking or compassionate person blame those who are sick and tired of those who rather respond to the actual problem with frustration and anger than in constructive and compassionate ways? There are among us those who seek every cowardly avenue of avoidance they can find to “blame the cops for everything.” They take refuge in defensiveness and attacking with conscious and systemic biases as if only they see the fault of the problem. As if only their feelings are what this is all about as they try to shout down the messengers.

Oh, it's okay to demand the police have better training, use more body cams, and establish more community liaisons. But to lay the onus entirely on the men and women in blue as SOME OF YOU CONTINUALLY DO is to delude yourselves. For you fail to see that ultimately, the police are not the problem.

We are …

Gatlin  posted on  2019-02-22   8:15:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Gatlin (#1)

Not with another self-serving agenized bullshit article blaming the police for the problems that face us in trying to live in a harmonious and neighborly fashion.

This was written by a former cop. One would tend to believe that his experience would carry some weight in discussing problems within police departments and the rampant cowardice displayed by many of today's badged "heroes".

Deckard  posted on  2019-02-22   8:24:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Deckard (#2)

The New Police Motto: “Shoot First, Ask Questions Later”

The Old Criminal Motto: Shoot First, Answer Questions Later

misterwhite  posted on  2019-02-22   9:41:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: misterwhite (#4)

I would like to see a comparison of the number of cops killed because they failed to shoot in a situation despite perceived danger, and the number of people who were killed by cops who were perceived as threats but were no threat at all, either because they were unarmed or, even if they were, had in retrospect no motive to threaten the cop, such as a legal concealed carry holder.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-02-22   10:30:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Pinguinite (#6)

In keeping within the scope of the article, I'd be interested in comparing the number of cops shot at with no provocation versus the number of people shot at by cops with no provocation.

And by "no provocation" I'm excluding toy guns, Airsoft guns, or anything that can be perceived as a gun. An individual who points a cell phone at a cop, in the dark, in a tense situation, deserves to be shot.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-02-22   11:54:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: misterwhite (#7) (Edited)

Okay, so it's only possible for cops to be provoked. Ordinary people cannot be provoked, such that if a cop points a gun at some guy walking down the street, that is NOT provocation. But if a guy points a cell phone at a cop walking down the street, that IS provocation.

Is that correct?

I just want to make sure I understand the double standard correctly.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-02-22   14:08:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Pinguinite (#10)

Ordinary people cannot be provoked, such that if a cop points a gun at some guy walking down the street, that is NOT provocation.

I seriously doubt it's done with the intention of provocation. How it's perceived is another matter entirely. And the proper reaction to that "provocation" is a yet a third argument.

So, pick one of those three and we can discuss it.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-02-24   11:46:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: misterwhite (#16)

So when a California cop starts harrassing a guy walking down the street with a backpack, and in the course of making his life difficult says something like "See these fists? They are going to fuck you up!", would that NOT constitute provocation?

But no, I'm not going to entertain your double standard silliness. I have things to do that range from important to the extreme routine and even mundane, and spelling out the hyprocrisy for you doesn't make the list.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-02-24   13:34:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Pinguinite (#17)

says something like "See these fists? They are going to fuck you up!", would that NOT constitute provocation?

I would see that as a warning -- no different than if the officer threatened to use a baton or a taser on "a violent, unpredictable man who was to blame for the altercation because he was combative and ignored officers’ orders".*

*As quoted by the defense attorney of the officers after their acquittal by a jury of their peers.

The real world uses facts, not your bleeding-heart emotions, to judge people.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-02-25   9:17:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: misterwhite (#18)

The real world uses facts, not your bleeding-heart emotions, to judge people.
I may find it beneficially advantageous to use that great slam line sometimes in the future, with your permission of course.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-02-25   9:29:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Gatlin (#19)

I may find it beneficially advantageous to use that great slam line sometimes in the future, with your permission of course.

Though I normally charge a modest fee, you may use it for free.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-02-25   9:53:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#21. To: misterwhite (#20)

Thank you, you are an extremely gracious person.

It was a good line.

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