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Title: Myth -- "The failed policies of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney left the economy in a mess"
Source: lipstatic.com
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Published: Jan 19, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-01-19 19:05:15 by dont eat that
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It seems there is no one defending the policies of the Bush Administration. Even Republicans are distancing themselves from this administration, complaining of a spending binge and growth of the federal government.

The Democrats have worked diligently to make us feel sorry for President Obama because he inherited a terrible fiscal mess. Well, yes, we have gone through a fiscal mess and he took office shortly after the financial panic started. But was it Democrat policies, not Republican ones that created the crisis.

What caused the financial crisis? A housing/real estate bubble burst. The bubble was caused by making money easily available for home loans. Easy money caused buyers to bid up the prices of homes. Congress encouraged the growth of this bubble by pushing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (federal government holders of home mortgages) to reduce their loan standards and to increase their portfolio of loans; Congress thought these policies would be helping poor and disadvantaged families. The standard practice of asking for 20% down payments was abandoned and lending institutions gravitated to the point where 100% loans were being made (basically no down payment). The government, through Fannie and Freddie was buying loans of any type and didn’t seem to care about lending standards. Lenders were not even required to verify the income of borrowers and many people speculated by purchasing real estate at more than they could afford because they believed that the value of the property would continue to increase.

The easy money policies of the Federal Reserve (operates independent of the White House) contributed to real estate speculation by keeping interest rates low.

Because mortgages are usually backed by solid collateral value (this was true when loan values were 80%) loans were bundled into investment packages and sold as low-risk investments around the world. These loan packages were rated as top quality investments by the rating agencies (problem area). Banks, looking for low-risk ways to invest short-term cash began to trade these securities. So far, all this seems reasonable.

But these bundled loans were improperly valued because the collateral value was overstated. Banks were not making risky bets because these investments were rated as AAA. Perhaps banks knew that the underlying assets here were a bit shaky, but by the book, these were not considered risky investments.

What event(s) started to shake the house of cards? Some evidence traces back to an effort by a large institutional investor (a major college endowment fund) to cash-out of some investments to meet a margin call - this is from memory, but can be checked). Their package of investments had to be sold at a large loss to get the cash they needed and this tremor triggered the earthquake.

Now, in my opinion, things would have worked themselves out without our notice except for "mark-to-market" accounting rules that were instituted by congress as part of the over-reaction to the Enron collapse. Mark-to-market caused major investment organizations to value their securities based on the most recent "market" valuation of their assets. If your stuff was sold by a competitor for $1 per unit, then yours was now valued at $1 even though you paid $20. Yesterday your stuff was worth a lot. Today, based on mark-to-market it is worth near nothing. Therefore the assets you held on your balance sheet as security for some other investment were worth less and you were obligated to come up with cash NOW to cover the difference. So banks and other financial institutions were obligated to sell securities at fire-sale rates to get the cash needed to meet their obligations.

If sanity had prevailed - pretty much impossible with Washington involved - the banks would have said "balderdash"; we plan to hold our assets (mortgage securities) until maturity and we will value them at the maturity rate. But the laws were different at the time and the banks (read Wall Street) have always been obliged to comply. All this triggered a mess.

Congress has since quietly addressed the "mark-to-market" issue and, of all fixes thrown at the problem, this is probably the most significant.

It is true that both Democrats and Republicans liked and encouraged expanded home ownership. President Bush expressed pride that were moving toward an “ownership society" where a greater portion of the population owned and cared for physical assets. However, the Bush administration saw that Fannie and Freddie were stretching too far and early in their administration (2003) started making a series of proposals to establish tighter regulations. Democrat, Barney Frank, took the lead in resisting tighter regulations and even worked to expand risky lending.

Excerpts on the subject from the New York Times of September 11, 2003 notes: “The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.” and

“…Among the groups denouncing the (Bush) proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.”

Bush tried to prevent the bubble, but he failed...so it's his fault. But if truth were important, the bubble did not burst because of failed policies of the Bush administration. The failures resulted from Democrat policies.

This topic is too big to be properly addressed in a single blog item, but here are some other things to think about:

· The Clinton Recession - George Bush inherited a pretty significant recession from the Clinton administration when he took office. In this case, it was the bursting of the bubble caused by over speculation in internet stocks – the “tech wreck”. One of the main reasons why federal tax revenue grew so fast during the Clinton years was the fact that he presided at the time the internet blossomed. Our entire country began to profit from the fabulous productivity benefits of the internet (think email or e-commerce). We hardly remember this recession because it was handled fairly deftly by the Bushies. Initially, Bush proposed and Congress enacted a modest stimulation package and phased-in tax cuts. These actions gave consumers and businesses greater control of their own money and confidence in the future. In 2003, congress accelerated the phase-in of tax cuts and the economy grew, unemployment improved and revenues to the government increased.

· Bush inherited 911 – During the Clinton years, US interests were attacked several times. The Clintons basically treated these attacks as law enforcement issues and maintained a very low sense of urgency about the terrorist threats. We knew that Usama Bin Laden had declared war against the United States and we considered him our enemy. Even so, President Clinton declined opportunities to kill Bin Laden because the CIA had been instructed to capture him alive. Clinton and his National Security Adviser, Sandy Berger, also declined the chance to capture Usama Bin Laden, telling Sudan's President, who offered to provide him to us, that we did not have a legal basis to take control of him. The planning for 911 started well before the Bush administration took office. When the attacks of 911 took place, our world changed…talk about an inheritance!

One of the main intents of the Bin Laden attacks was to disrupt our financial system. While it is obvious that the recent banking panic and “bail-outs” represented a serious problem, it was solvable by government providing back-up funding to the various banks and financial institutions. The main corrective support was provided by the Bush administration. Whether you do or don’t agree that the government should have provided this support, Barack Obama did think it was necessary and voted for it while in his Senate seat. Most of the banking back-up loans have now been paid back with significant interest. However, when compared to the financial crisis that took place during 911, the 911 disasters were potentially much more severe and more difficult to manage.

I remember being amazed and thanked God that the Bush administration was in charge at that time of 911. The Trade Centers were a hub of our financial system. Key people were killed, systems, records and infrastructure were destroyed in an instant. Yet we came back in a very short time. Hundreds and thousands of people worked in the background to repair our financial system and today, very few remember the wonderful work they did.

· Bush was a big spender? – Remember, while the Bush administration had a modest majority in Congress, it had a sharply divided Senate (50-50) and Tom Dashle (D–SD) became majority leader just four months after Bush was inaugurated. Without going through the votes, I think I can state that Democrats opposed very little of the spending bills and proposed budgets that always exceeded the spending that Bush proposed. We need to remember that all spending bills originate in the House of Representatives. Bush may be faulted for being too willing to compromise with Congress. Today, Republicans chide him for failing to veto bills that were presented to him by Congress. However, Bush was in a difficult spot and every big spender (both Democrat and Republican) took advantage of the 911 environment to splurge on their favorite projects. On 911, President Bush turned his focus to keeping our country safe. He initiated military operations in Afghanistan, Iraq and many other areas around the world. Remember also that Bush had strong bi-partisan support for both of these actions. Later, after we had chased out the bad guys and each country was freed to democratically elect a government of its choice, the Democrats lost interest and started to accuse the Bush administration of tricking them into supporting the actions in Afghanistan and Iraq (although the leadership of both parties had complete access to the same intelligence as the President). Thereafter, Bush had to fight a congress that threatened to withhold funds for these military operations unless they got what they wanted. It is true that Bush contributed to spending initiatives with his proposal to expand prescription drug entitlements, but he had Democrat support for this initiative and some economic justification. Bush can take full credit for pushing the No Child Left Behind initiative and this did add modestly to the federal education budget. But much of the increased spending during the Bush administration was a result of 911. Huge expenses resulted from implementing the recommendations of the 911 Commission. These included, for example, the creation of the Department of Homeland Security. In a compromise with Democrats (union gift), Bush capitulated and all those security people at the airport and elsewhere around the country, became government employees.

After 911, it is not surprising that federal spending grew more than revenues. However, the Bush administration did maintain some discipline in spite of congressional headwinds and was maintaining a path to get spending in line with revenues.

· Bush Tax Cuts took revenue away from the government? – Democrats choose to think simply about taxes. They think that increasing tax rates will result in greater revenues for the government and decreasing tax rates will reduce revenue. They point to the fact that government revenues increased significantly during the Clinton administration and relate that increase to increased tax rates during that time. They cite the budgetary surplus that briefly occurred during the Clinton years, but they fail to acknowledge the spending restraints that a Republican Congress imposed on Clinton and the fact that our economy was benefiting from the expansive internet/tech economy.

The greatest way to increase revenues is to increase economic activity. The government gets a cut of all the money we make, so the more people are fully employed, the more revenues come in to the government. Allowing the “people” to keep more of their own money is a way to expand economic activity overall. The tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 resulted in increasing revenues for the government. Revenue in Bush’s first year was $1.99 trillion. In his last year (2008) revenue was $2.52 trillion. Federal revenue increased by 28% in the environment of the Bush tax cuts. By looking at revenue and spending graphs, it can be seen that dips in revenue coincide with economic recessions (dips in economic activity – negative growth).

The tax cuts that were implemented have been purposely misrepresented as “tax cuts for the rich”. However, those with lower incomes were the most positively affected by the tax cuts. To help us remember, here is a very quick summary of the tax cuts as gleaned from Wikipedia:

Many of the tax reductions in the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 (EGTRRA) were designed to be phased in over a period of up to 9 years. Many of these slow phase-ins were accelerated by the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003(JGTRRA), which removed the waiting periods for many of EGTRRA's changes.

EGTRRA generally reduced the rates of individual income taxes:

· a new 10% bracket was created for single filers with taxable income up to $6,000, joint filers up to $12,000, and heads of households up to $10,000.

· the 15% bracket's lower threshold was indexed to the new 10% bracket

· the 28% bracket would be lowered to 25% by 2006.

· the 31% bracket would be lowered to 28% by 2006

· the 36% bracket would be lowered to 33% by 2006

· the 39.6% bracket would be lowered to 35% by 2006

The EGTRRA in many cases lowered the taxes on married couples filing jointly by increasing the standard deduction for joint filers to between 174% and 200% of the deduction for single filers.

Additionally, it changed the rate of tax on dividend income starting in 2003 to 5% for those in the 0% or 15% brackets, falling to 0% in 2008. It was lowered to 15% for all other brackets.

Today, Bush detractors claim that these tax cuts unfairly benefited the rich and have reduced federal tax revenue. The tax cuts are subject to a sunset clause and will expire on January 1, 2011 (two years) if congress fails to act.

The truth is that these tax cuts have benefited the poor and the middle class much more than the rich (watch out for that term). According to a 2007 study, of the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) if the current benefits to the poor and middle class were to expire it would have a combined budgetary effect of $114 billion. By comparison, if the more maligned capital gains, dividends and estate tax provisions were to expire, this would only contribute $36 billion to the budget. Further, the individual income tax rate reductions come to $59 billion (2007 study) and are not really a tax cut for the rich. All families with taxable income over $62,000 (and single filers over $31,000) currently benefit and will be affected when taxes increase to previous levels.

You can review federal revenue and spending from several sources, but the Interactive Charts at the Heritage Foundation are easy to view.

Had enough?? Whew!!

Whether or not this was useful or interesting to you, this was a bit cathartic and a positive exercise for me.

Let’s stop blaming Bush and start looking forward. Tune in tomorrow (lets say soon) for the solution.

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#53. To: e_type_jag (#49)

Padlock is here too

No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...

war  posted on  2010-01-19   22:12:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: e_type_jag (#49)

When are you going to stop impersonating cops?

mininggold  posted on  2010-01-19   22:14:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: mininggold (#52)

Why are you begging sneaky's forgiveness?

Why are you incoherent so frequently?

Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-01-19   22:16:14 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Ibluafartsky (#55)

Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?

I hope you two get things settled between you. When's the big date?

mininggold  posted on  2010-01-19   22:18:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: mininggold (#54)

When are you going to stop impersonating cops?

When are you going to stop impersonating homo sapiens sapiens? Why have you been bounced from so many forums?

Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-01-19   22:19:21 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: mininggold (#56)

One thing fer shore...we know thet sneaky HAS to be the top...

No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...

war  posted on  2010-01-19   22:19:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Ibluafartsky (#57)

Another RINO got elected tonight. Here's your opportunity to put your money where your mouth is.

mininggold  posted on  2010-01-19   22:21:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: mininggold (#56)

I hope you two get things settled between you.

I'll bet you do! Are your fantasies drug induced or just the result of genetic manifestations?

Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-01-19   22:21:49 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Ibluafartsky (#57)

Why have you been bounced from so many forums?

You tell me. How many have I been bounced from? As many as Badeye? lololol

mininggold  posted on  2010-01-19   22:23:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: mininggold (#59)

Another RINO got elected tonight.

Another leftist slut bit the dust! I'll accept it with magnanimity.

Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-01-19   22:25:04 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Ibluafartsky (#62)

Another leftist slut bit the dust! I'll accept it with magnanimity.

You said today what you have in store for RINOs or is it just more your typical cheap talk?

mininggold  posted on  2010-01-19   22:26:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: mininggold (#54)

When are you going to stop impersonating cops?

Right after you stop impersonating a fascist bootlicking dimTARD drunken truck stop whore.

Let me know when that occurs ok?

I have only 5 people that have faggotly/earmuffed/bozoed me....

Make it 6....I don't need to see your responses to my ridiculing of you here either. I don't do it for your eyes, bitch.

Pig.

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-01-19   22:27:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: e_type_jag (#64)

Did you ever learn those Penal codes? That was sooo funny. A "cop" who didn't know the basic penal codes.

mininggold  posted on  2010-01-19   22:30:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: war (#53)

Padlock is here too

Well whatever...I don't keep up I suppose as unlike you I have more than one place to post/view......padlock is not my "bud" war.......

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-01-19   22:33:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: mininggold (#63)

You said today what you have in store for RINOs or is it just more your typical cheap talk?

Are you Mexican?

Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-01-19   22:34:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: mininggold (#65)

Did you ever learn those Penal codes?

Well how's about you recite whatever you've been charged with and try me out?

Just keep it to the past 2 years as I won't have all night......IOW don't list your recurring convictions ok?

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-01-19   22:35:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: e_type_jag, HAG (#64)

LOL!

Is that any way to treat the retarded drunken neo-nazi HAG who lives off of the gooberment tit?

Why YES, as a matter of fact, it is!

Hey HAG did you call to congratulate SENATOR ELECT Brown yet?

LOL!

Esse Quam Videri.

Mad Dog  posted on  2010-01-19   22:36:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: war (#53)

How's about them Mass voters huh?

Chuckles......NY-23 redux.

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-01-19   22:37:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Mad Dog (#69)

Hey HAG did you call to congratulate SENATOR ELECT Brown yet?

Give her some time to come up to speed on what's been happening since her parole.

She'll give him a call after she gets enough truck stop turnover $$ to buy one of those cheap 7-11 cell phones to dial him up on.....at her going rate that may take a week or more of 10-a-days.

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-01-19   22:40:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: e_type_jag (#71)

LOL!

Makes sense.

Esse Quam Videri.

Mad Dog  posted on  2010-01-19   22:43:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: e_type_jag (#68)

Well how's about you recite whatever you've been charged with and try me out?

Honey... unlike you I could work at any forensic facility tomorrow if I wanted to. My prints are clean.

mininggold  posted on  2010-01-19   22:49:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Mad Dog (#72)

To: e_type_jag

LOL!

Makes sense.

What funniest is when they get so worked up they can't bear to see the eviscerating verbal surgery we perform on them.

Some of them like 2 sentence fredjerx, public stall denizen dick tanner and whinyskank really are not worth argumentative surgical discourse with....better just to drive them away and make fun of them.

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-01-19   22:52:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: e_type_jag (#71)

Why, is that the heart throb of the working girls from Valley Jo you are posting too? The King of Mare Island? (Don't tell fartsky).

mininggold  posted on  2010-01-19   22:54:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: e_type_jag (#74)

LOL!

They are all just a bunch whiny obammybot pussies.

They pee their tutus when people treat them the way that they treat people , then they go crying to mommy, (site owner or admin).

Some of them like pony tail spandex boy and HAG are owners of "depreciating assests" and they just can't deal with that.

If LP didn't exist what would these losers talk about?

They bore even themselves with their brain dead PC libTURD drivel.

LOL!

Esse Quam Videri.

Mad Dog  posted on  2010-01-19   23:03:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: mininggold (#73)

Honey...

Darlin, don't get too "truck stop" in the vernacular....I'm not interested in what you sell.

Forensic facility?? btw.... is that what you call the floor of a Peterbuilt?....or are you referring to the puddles around you after a day's work?

Skank....:):)....honestly.....you won't win this.....just do the bozo/earmuffs and don't look at it as a defeat......some people just lack the horsepower to keep up.

I'll not let up and I don't debate a shill like you anymore than I value the opinion or responses from a block of cement.

You are that block ya dumb convict.

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-01-19   23:05:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Mad Dog (#76)

I'll have this ditz as number 6 by tomorrow....unless she grew a set of stainless steel ears to go along with the cement in her skull:)

Always bet on Black.

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-01-19   23:08:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: mininggold, Ibluafartsky (#45)

Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?

Do you have a crush on sneakypete? Your tag line suggests you are asking him to marry you after you two had a lover's spat.

Yukon thinks he's being clever by quoting a question asked of me like I quote Palin's response to questions asked of her. He's in LUV with Palin and it drives him nuts when he sees somebody that doesn't share his blind obsession.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-01-20   0:13:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: sneakypete (#79)

I like your Palin quote tag-line.

I appreciate the explanation. Yukky is honoring you even if he doesn't realize it.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-01-20   0:17:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: sneakypete (#79)

Yukon thinks

That is evident. It is also evident that you don't, won't or can't. Does yukon kick your ass all over the internet? He seems to drive you people crazy!

Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-01-20   0:18:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: e_type_jag, Gilbey's Gal (#77)

Honey...

Darlin, don't get too "truck stop" in the vernacular....I'm not interested in what you sell.

Forensic facility?? btw.... is that what you call the floor of a Peterbuilt?....or are you referring to the puddles around you after a day's work?

Skank....:):)....honestly.....you won't win this.....just do the bozo/earmuffs and don't look at it as a defeat......some people just lack the horsepower to keep up.

I'll not let up and I don't debate a shill like you anymore than I value the opinion or responses from a block of cement.

You are that block ya dumb convict.

(tearing from laughter)

Liberator  posted on  2010-01-20   2:29:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: e_type_jag (#64)

LMAO

(Is that wrong?)

Sheeeeeet....8^D

Liberator  posted on  2010-01-20   2:32:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Liberator (#82)

I'll not let up and I don't debate a shill like you anymore than I value the opinion or responses from a block of cement.

After re reading that it makes me chuckle too:)

That was the post that drove the hi mileage "human" truck stop mattress to my latest earmuffing/bozo badge of honor. I also think I picked up war since he is close to suicidal at being on the wrong end yet again.....plus the verbal bratdowns and punk'd postings I've sent his way.....:)

I now have 7 of these pieces of filth driven into the "I can't bear the abuse of the Jag" closet:)

7 could be the record here on LF.

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-01-20   3:18:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: e_type_jag (#84)

That was the post that drove the hi mileage "human" truck stop mattress to my latest earmuffing/bozo badge of honor.

I also think I picked up war since he is close to suicidal at being on the wrong end yet again.....plus the verbal bratdowns and punk'd postings I've sent his way.....:)

Still rofl...

I now have 7 of these pieces of filth driven into the "I can't bear the abuse of the Jag" closet:)

"I can't bear the abuse of the Jag" closet:)" LOL - but dayum? Who'll be left to rag on? 7 LF pelts...

How's the tally at LP? I'm at 14.

Liberator  posted on  2010-01-20   3:28:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Liberator (#85)

I've only racked up 5 at LP.....one of them is the chick goes by the name of war who can't show her face there anymore....so I guess the number is really 4.

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-01-20   3:55:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: padlock (#40)

And without the existence of these horrible investment instruments to be bundled and sold as solid goods, the problem wouldn't have existed.

How do you explain the car industry and the commercial real estate market?

You're wrong at every turn, Puddin' Pop...

It was over leverage of asset securitzation across a broadband of markets...

No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...

war  posted on  2010-01-20   7:47:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: e_type_jag (#66)

Sure he is...so what if he has that "nigger" thing going? You're BOTH republicans...

No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...

war  posted on  2010-01-20   7:59:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: e_type_jag (#70)

How's about them Mass voters huh?

You mean the one's that already have Universal health care with pro-choice Brown's support?

No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...

war  posted on  2010-01-20   8:00:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: e_type_jag (#74) (Edited)

What funniest is when they get so worked up they can't bear to see the eviscerating verbal surgery we perform on them.

No..."what funniest is" you thinking that made sense outside of Watts...

No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...

war  posted on  2010-01-20   8:15:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Ibluafartsky (#81)

. Does yukon kick your ass all over the internet?

Uhhhhh,no.

He seems to drive you people crazy!

It's always frustrating having to deal with a fool. Talking sense to your alter ego is the equivalent of trying to teach a mule how to tapdance.

Don't worry,we all understand why you have trouble understanding this.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-01-20   8:25:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: e_type_jag, Liberator (#84)

You're a legend in your own mind lol. You are bozo'd because you aren't worth the trouble to read. You are a retard with nothing to say.

Now get back to circle jerking with Luberator.

Biff Tannen  posted on  2010-01-20   8:32:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: e_type_jag (#84)

7 could be the record here on LF.

I'm at 10 but I've been here longer...good luck with being an asshole...not that you need it...

No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...

war  posted on  2010-01-20   8:39:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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