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International News Title: Myth -- "The failed policies of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney left the economy in a mess" It seems there is no one defending the policies of the Bush Administration. Even Republicans are distancing themselves from this administration, complaining of a spending binge and growth of the federal government. The Democrats have worked diligently to make us feel sorry for President Obama because he inherited a terrible fiscal mess. Well, yes, we have gone through a fiscal mess and he took office shortly after the financial panic started. But was it Democrat policies, not Republican ones that created the crisis. What caused the financial crisis? A housing/real estate bubble burst. The bubble was caused by making money easily available for home loans. Easy money caused buyers to bid up the prices of homes. Congress encouraged the growth of this bubble by pushing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (federal government holders of home mortgages) to reduce their loan standards and to increase their portfolio of loans; Congress thought these policies would be helping poor and disadvantaged families. The standard practice of asking for 20% down payments was abandoned and lending institutions gravitated to the point where 100% loans were being made (basically no down payment). The government, through Fannie and Freddie was buying loans of any type and didnt seem to care about lending standards. Lenders were not even required to verify the income of borrowers and many people speculated by purchasing real estate at more than they could afford because they believed that the value of the property would continue to increase. The easy money policies of the Federal Reserve (operates independent of the White House) contributed to real estate speculation by keeping interest rates low. Because mortgages are usually backed by solid collateral value (this was true when loan values were 80%) loans were bundled into investment packages and sold as low-risk investments around the world. These loan packages were rated as top quality investments by the rating agencies (problem area). Banks, looking for low-risk ways to invest short-term cash began to trade these securities. So far, all this seems reasonable. But these bundled loans were improperly valued because the collateral value was overstated. Banks were not making risky bets because these investments were rated as AAA. Perhaps banks knew that the underlying assets here were a bit shaky, but by the book, these were not considered risky investments. What event(s) started to shake the house of cards? Some evidence traces back to an effort by a large institutional investor (a major college endowment fund) to cash-out of some investments to meet a margin call - this is from memory, but can be checked). Their package of investments had to be sold at a large loss to get the cash they needed and this tremor triggered the earthquake. Now, in my opinion, things would have worked themselves out without our notice except for "mark-to-market" accounting rules that were instituted by congress as part of the over-reaction to the Enron collapse. Mark-to-market caused major investment organizations to value their securities based on the most recent "market" valuation of their assets. If your stuff was sold by a competitor for $1 per unit, then yours was now valued at $1 even though you paid $20. Yesterday your stuff was worth a lot. Today, based on mark-to-market it is worth near nothing. Therefore the assets you held on your balance sheet as security for some other investment were worth less and you were obligated to come up with cash NOW to cover the difference. So banks and other financial institutions were obligated to sell securities at fire-sale rates to get the cash needed to meet their obligations. If sanity had prevailed - pretty much impossible with Washington involved - the banks would have said "balderdash"; we plan to hold our assets (mortgage securities) until maturity and we will value them at the maturity rate. But the laws were different at the time and the banks (read Wall Street) have always been obliged to comply. All this triggered a mess. Congress has since quietly addressed the "mark-to-market" issue and, of all fixes thrown at the problem, this is probably the most significant. It is true that both Democrats and Republicans liked and encouraged expanded home ownership. President Bush expressed pride that were moving toward an ownership society" where a greater portion of the population owned and cared for physical assets. However, the Bush administration saw that Fannie and Freddie were stretching too far and early in their administration (2003) started making a series of proposals to establish tighter regulations. Democrat, Barney Frank, took the lead in resisting tighter regulations and even worked to expand risky lending. Excerpts on the subject from the New York Times of September 11, 2003 notes: The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago. and
Among the groups denouncing the (Bush) proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing. Bush tried to prevent the bubble, but he failed...so it's his fault. But if truth were important, the bubble did not burst because of failed policies of the Bush administration. The failures resulted from Democrat policies. This topic is too big to be properly addressed in a single blog item, but here are some other things to think about: · The Clinton Recession - George Bush inherited a pretty significant recession from the Clinton administration when he took office. In this case, it was the bursting of the bubble caused by over speculation in internet stocks the tech wreck. One of the main reasons why federal tax revenue grew so fast during the Clinton years was the fact that he presided at the time the internet blossomed. Our entire country began to profit from the fabulous productivity benefits of the internet (think email or e-commerce). We hardly remember this recession because it was handled fairly deftly by the Bushies. Initially, Bush proposed and Congress enacted a modest stimulation package and phased-in tax cuts. These actions gave consumers and businesses greater control of their own money and confidence in the future. In 2003, congress accelerated the phase-in of tax cuts and the economy grew, unemployment improved and revenues to the government increased. · Bush inherited 911 During the Clinton years, US interests were attacked several times. The Clintons basically treated these attacks as law enforcement issues and maintained a very low sense of urgency about the terrorist threats. We knew that Usama Bin Laden had declared war against the United States and we considered him our enemy. Even so, President Clinton declined opportunities to kill Bin Laden because the CIA had been instructed to capture him alive. Clinton and his National Security Adviser, Sandy Berger, also declined the chance to capture Usama Bin Laden, telling Sudan's President, who offered to provide him to us, that we did not have a legal basis to take control of him. The planning for 911 started well before the Bush administration took office. When the attacks of 911 took place, our world changed
talk about an inheritance! One of the main intents of the Bin Laden attacks was to disrupt our financial system. While it is obvious that the recent banking panic and bail-outs represented a serious problem, it was solvable by government providing back-up funding to the various banks and financial institutions. The main corrective support was provided by the Bush administration. Whether you do or dont agree that the government should have provided this support, Barack Obama did think it was necessary and voted for it while in his Senate seat. Most of the banking back-up loans have now been paid back with significant interest. However, when compared to the financial crisis that took place during 911, the 911 disasters were potentially much more severe and more difficult to manage. I remember being amazed and thanked God that the Bush administration was in charge at that time of 911. The Trade Centers were a hub of our financial system. Key people were killed, systems, records and infrastructure were destroyed in an instant. Yet we came back in a very short time. Hundreds and thousands of people worked in the background to repair our financial system and today, very few remember the wonderful work they did. · Bush was a big spender? Remember, while the Bush administration had a modest majority in Congress, it had a sharply divided Senate (50-50) and Tom Dashle (DSD) became majority leader just four months after Bush was inaugurated. Without going through the votes, I think I can state that Democrats opposed very little of the spending bills and proposed budgets that always exceeded the spending that Bush proposed. We need to remember that all spending bills originate in the House of Representatives. Bush may be faulted for being too willing to compromise with Congress. Today, Republicans chide him for failing to veto bills that were presented to him by Congress. However, Bush was in a difficult spot and every big spender (both Democrat and Republican) took advantage of the 911 environment to splurge on their favorite projects. On 911, President Bush turned his focus to keeping our country safe. He initiated military operations in Afghanistan, Iraq and many other areas around the world. Remember also that Bush had strong bi-partisan support for both of these actions. Later, after we had chased out the bad guys and each country was freed to democratically elect a government of its choice, the Democrats lost interest and started to accuse the Bush administration of tricking them into supporting the actions in Afghanistan and Iraq (although the leadership of both parties had complete access to the same intelligence as the President). Thereafter, Bush had to fight a congress that threatened to withhold funds for these military operations unless they got what they wanted. It is true that Bush contributed to spending initiatives with his proposal to expand prescription drug entitlements, but he had Democrat support for this initiative and some economic justification. Bush can take full credit for pushing the No Child Left Behind initiative and this did add modestly to the federal education budget. But much of the increased spending during the Bush administration was a result of 911. Huge expenses resulted from implementing the recommendations of the 911 Commission. These included, for example, the creation of the Department of Homeland Security. In a compromise with Democrats (union gift), Bush capitulated and all those security people at the airport and elsewhere around the country, became government employees. After 911, it is not surprising that federal spending grew more than revenues. However, the Bush administration did maintain some discipline in spite of congressional headwinds and was maintaining a path to get spending in line with revenues. · Bush Tax Cuts took revenue away from the government? Democrats choose to think simply about taxes. They think that increasing tax rates will result in greater revenues for the government and decreasing tax rates will reduce revenue. They point to the fact that government revenues increased significantly during the Clinton administration and relate that increase to increased tax rates during that time. They cite the budgetary surplus that briefly occurred during the Clinton years, but they fail to acknowledge the spending restraints that a Republican Congress imposed on Clinton and the fact that our economy was benefiting from the expansive internet/tech economy. The greatest way to increase revenues is to increase economic activity. The government gets a cut of all the money we make, so the more people are fully employed, the more revenues come in to the government. Allowing the people to keep more of their own money is a way to expand economic activity overall. The tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 resulted in increasing revenues for the government. Revenue in Bushs first year was $1.99 trillion. In his last year (2008) revenue was $2.52 trillion. Federal revenue increased by 28% in the environment of the Bush tax cuts. By looking at revenue and spending graphs, it can be seen that dips in revenue coincide with economic recessions (dips in economic activity negative growth). The tax cuts that were implemented have been purposely misrepresented as tax cuts for the rich. However, those with lower incomes were the most positively affected by the tax cuts. To help us remember, here is a very quick summary of the tax cuts as gleaned from Wikipedia: Many of the tax reductions in the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 (EGTRRA) were designed to be phased in over a period of up to 9 years. Many of these slow phase-ins were accelerated by the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003(JGTRRA), which removed the waiting periods for many of EGTRRA's changes. EGTRRA generally reduced the rates of individual income taxes: · a new 10% bracket was created for single filers with taxable income up to $6,000, joint filers up to $12,000, and heads of households up to $10,000. · the 15% bracket's lower threshold was indexed to the new 10% bracket · the 28% bracket would be lowered to 25% by 2006. · the 31% bracket would be lowered to 28% by 2006 · the 36% bracket would be lowered to 33% by 2006 · the 39.6% bracket would be lowered to 35% by 2006 The EGTRRA in many cases lowered the taxes on married couples filing jointly by increasing the standard deduction for joint filers to between 174% and 200% of the deduction for single filers. Additionally, it changed the rate of tax on dividend income starting in 2003 to 5% for those in the 0% or 15% brackets, falling to 0% in 2008. It was lowered to 15% for all other brackets. Today, Bush detractors claim that these tax cuts unfairly benefited the rich and have reduced federal tax revenue. The tax cuts are subject to a sunset clause and will expire on January 1, 2011 (two years) if congress fails to act. The truth is that these tax cuts have benefited the poor and the middle class much more than the rich (watch out for that term). According to a 2007 study, of the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) if the current benefits to the poor and middle class were to expire it would have a combined budgetary effect of $114 billion. By comparison, if the more maligned capital gains, dividends and estate tax provisions were to expire, this would only contribute $36 billion to the budget. Further, the individual income tax rate reductions come to $59 billion (2007 study) and are not really a tax cut for the rich. All families with taxable income over $62,000 (and single filers over $31,000) currently benefit and will be affected when taxes increase to previous levels. You can review federal revenue and spending from several sources, but the Interactive Charts at the Heritage Foundation are easy to view. Had enough?? Whew!! Whether or not this was useful or interesting to you, this was a bit cathartic and a positive exercise for me. Lets stop blaming Bush and start looking forward. Tune in tomorrow (lets say soon) for the solution.
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Niggering it up can be passed off as being an asshole but padlock says things that are just so fucking stupid...
No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
Then why did Bill Frist and Trent Lott let liberal Congress members from the opposition party head key committees under their chairmanship during the Bush administration's tenure.
http://imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2007/12/dodd.htm actually makes the case as I said that the housng lending was the root of the problem http://www.minneapolisfed.org/publications_papers/pub_display.cfm?id=4136 wants to make the case that CRA wasn't the problem. Well no, it wasn't the immediate problem, but these things tend to mestatasize, and banks weren't really worried about the niggers defaulting on their mortgages in the mid-2000's because they believed they could easily recover their money through housing price appreciation. And GSEs were continuing to back these mortgages hand over fist despite Bush's warnings.
This poster posts at LP...he has been...happy fun ball...long nosed gar...sardine sandwich and padlock..he posts there now as fifty yard line...
No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
Of course, it wasn't the cause of the HNIC depression. What's your point?
RINOS have always attempted to be the good guys and compromise with the fookin snake liberals. When conservatives are elected, they need to do to liberals just as liberals have always done to conservatives.....delegate them to the basement, shut and lock the door. Then piss on the vermin!
Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?
Illegals were also getting mortgages and ended up defaulting in even greater numbers.
Your analysis is wrong and wholly unsupported by anything to which you have referred. And Boy Blunder was jawboning the GSE's to get more involved in bank subprime...which was a moot point by that time because banks had already cut back on their mortgage lending...Boy Blunder's issue with the GSE's had nothing to do with sub prime financing and everything to do with their capital ratios...which, as we saw over the last two years, would not have made a difference had thety been 5 x's what they were... But again, bank sub prime lending had zipola to do with the financial crisis. It was their purchasing of private label finance company securities which put the banks in distress.
No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
That your point was stupid.
No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
Oh come on..... the whole era was about holding hands across the aisle and still is. McCain is that poster child.
That wasn't the point I made. Sober up and come back.
McCain isn't a conservative! Reread what I posted about RINOS!
Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?
The irony of this particular thread is 'war' didn't have a job under Clinton, Bush, or to date Obama. Think about it. we'e paying for this idiot to post online. For over a decade...
Without the Subprime problem, the overall financial crisis doesn't happen. There's no getting around that and Bush warned about it for at least 6 years. BTW, Obama's Commie Cunt Coakley is going down and it won't even be close enough for your beloveds Dims to try and steal.
Are you saying that the only contender that the pubbies could offer up to be the best their hope for president would be a RINO? You are just too funny.
WRONG. Subprime was NOT the problem. Bundling them and then using them as LEVERAGE was the problem. Until you understand that basic fact you will remain the clueless Ass Monkey bait that you really fear that you are... I challenge you to post any speech of Boy Blunder's in which he warned of the perils of sub prime lending PRIOR to the financial crisis.
No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
And what's your excuse..... as "owner" of a security company that gives out names and addresses of posters on the internet? lol
How do you know what point I was referring to Ass Monkey?
No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
Stay out of the fookin drug cabinet!
Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?
And without the existence of these horrible investment instruments to be bundled and sold as solid goods, the problem wouldn't have existed.
Make up your mind. Was McCain the leading contender and winner in the primaries for the Republican party or not? You are showing typical yucky behavior by stealing lies from liberator.
Coherent again? What a dumb fookin question! Were you conscious during the last election?
Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?
I'd laugh but I like my FICO @ 810...he's a lit fucking rocket that is guaranteed to go off...that's all I'll say...
No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
The bundling was of private label non bank mortgages. It's what Boy Blunder - your hero - allowed to go on in escalating fashion all throughout his "presidency:...
No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
Do you have a crush on sneakypete? Your tag line suggests you are asking him to marry you after you two had a lover's spat.
Back to incoherent. You should seek help for your mental problems.
Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?
I prefer spelling it incoherant.
You prefer spelling it wrong? http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Incoherent
I see the trashbag drunken struck stop "date" whininslut has sobered up enough to stink this site up.......are all the low wattage floorlickers booted off of the other sites going to congregate here now or what???...:):):)
Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.
It's that mental illness/drug problem!
Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?
It certainly appears that way. Good thing Stone doesn't require an entrance exam!
Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?
Why are you begging sneaky's forgiveness?
No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
When are you going to stop impersonating cops?
Why are you incoherent so frequently?
Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?
Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted? I hope you two get things settled between you. When's the big date?
When are you going to stop impersonating homo sapiens sapiens? Why have you been bounced from so many forums?
Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?
One thing fer shore...we know thet sneaky HAS to be the top...
No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
Another RINO got elected tonight. Here's your opportunity to put your money where your mouth is.
I'll bet you do! Are your fantasies drug induced or just the result of genetic manifestations?
Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?
You tell me. How many have I been bounced from? As many as Badeye? lololol
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