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Title: Myth -- "The failed policies of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney left the economy in a mess"
Source: lipstatic.com
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It seems there is no one defending the policies of the Bush Administration. Even Republicans are distancing themselves from this administration, complaining of a spending binge and growth of the federal government.

The Democrats have worked diligently to make us feel sorry for President Obama because he inherited a terrible fiscal mess. Well, yes, we have gone through a fiscal mess and he took office shortly after the financial panic started. But was it Democrat policies, not Republican ones that created the crisis.

What caused the financial crisis? A housing/real estate bubble burst. The bubble was caused by making money easily available for home loans. Easy money caused buyers to bid up the prices of homes. Congress encouraged the growth of this bubble by pushing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (federal government holders of home mortgages) to reduce their loan standards and to increase their portfolio of loans; Congress thought these policies would be helping poor and disadvantaged families. The standard practice of asking for 20% down payments was abandoned and lending institutions gravitated to the point where 100% loans were being made (basically no down payment). The government, through Fannie and Freddie was buying loans of any type and didn’t seem to care about lending standards. Lenders were not even required to verify the income of borrowers and many people speculated by purchasing real estate at more than they could afford because they believed that the value of the property would continue to increase.

The easy money policies of the Federal Reserve (operates independent of the White House) contributed to real estate speculation by keeping interest rates low.

Because mortgages are usually backed by solid collateral value (this was true when loan values were 80%) loans were bundled into investment packages and sold as low-risk investments around the world. These loan packages were rated as top quality investments by the rating agencies (problem area). Banks, looking for low-risk ways to invest short-term cash began to trade these securities. So far, all this seems reasonable.

But these bundled loans were improperly valued because the collateral value was overstated. Banks were not making risky bets because these investments were rated as AAA. Perhaps banks knew that the underlying assets here were a bit shaky, but by the book, these were not considered risky investments.

What event(s) started to shake the house of cards? Some evidence traces back to an effort by a large institutional investor (a major college endowment fund) to cash-out of some investments to meet a margin call - this is from memory, but can be checked). Their package of investments had to be sold at a large loss to get the cash they needed and this tremor triggered the earthquake.

Now, in my opinion, things would have worked themselves out without our notice except for "mark-to-market" accounting rules that were instituted by congress as part of the over-reaction to the Enron collapse. Mark-to-market caused major investment organizations to value their securities based on the most recent "market" valuation of their assets. If your stuff was sold by a competitor for $1 per unit, then yours was now valued at $1 even though you paid $20. Yesterday your stuff was worth a lot. Today, based on mark-to-market it is worth near nothing. Therefore the assets you held on your balance sheet as security for some other investment were worth less and you were obligated to come up with cash NOW to cover the difference. So banks and other financial institutions were obligated to sell securities at fire-sale rates to get the cash needed to meet their obligations.

If sanity had prevailed - pretty much impossible with Washington involved - the banks would have said "balderdash"; we plan to hold our assets (mortgage securities) until maturity and we will value them at the maturity rate. But the laws were different at the time and the banks (read Wall Street) have always been obliged to comply. All this triggered a mess.

Congress has since quietly addressed the "mark-to-market" issue and, of all fixes thrown at the problem, this is probably the most significant.

It is true that both Democrats and Republicans liked and encouraged expanded home ownership. President Bush expressed pride that were moving toward an “ownership society" where a greater portion of the population owned and cared for physical assets. However, the Bush administration saw that Fannie and Freddie were stretching too far and early in their administration (2003) started making a series of proposals to establish tighter regulations. Democrat, Barney Frank, took the lead in resisting tighter regulations and even worked to expand risky lending.

Excerpts on the subject from the New York Times of September 11, 2003 notes: “The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.” and

“…Among the groups denouncing the (Bush) proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.”

Bush tried to prevent the bubble, but he failed...so it's his fault. But if truth were important, the bubble did not burst because of failed policies of the Bush administration. The failures resulted from Democrat policies.

This topic is too big to be properly addressed in a single blog item, but here are some other things to think about:

· The Clinton Recession - George Bush inherited a pretty significant recession from the Clinton administration when he took office. In this case, it was the bursting of the bubble caused by over speculation in internet stocks – the “tech wreck”. One of the main reasons why federal tax revenue grew so fast during the Clinton years was the fact that he presided at the time the internet blossomed. Our entire country began to profit from the fabulous productivity benefits of the internet (think email or e-commerce). We hardly remember this recession because it was handled fairly deftly by the Bushies. Initially, Bush proposed and Congress enacted a modest stimulation package and phased-in tax cuts. These actions gave consumers and businesses greater control of their own money and confidence in the future. In 2003, congress accelerated the phase-in of tax cuts and the economy grew, unemployment improved and revenues to the government increased.

· Bush inherited 911 – During the Clinton years, US interests were attacked several times. The Clintons basically treated these attacks as law enforcement issues and maintained a very low sense of urgency about the terrorist threats. We knew that Usama Bin Laden had declared war against the United States and we considered him our enemy. Even so, President Clinton declined opportunities to kill Bin Laden because the CIA had been instructed to capture him alive. Clinton and his National Security Adviser, Sandy Berger, also declined the chance to capture Usama Bin Laden, telling Sudan's President, who offered to provide him to us, that we did not have a legal basis to take control of him. The planning for 911 started well before the Bush administration took office. When the attacks of 911 took place, our world changed…talk about an inheritance!

One of the main intents of the Bin Laden attacks was to disrupt our financial system. While it is obvious that the recent banking panic and “bail-outs” represented a serious problem, it was solvable by government providing back-up funding to the various banks and financial institutions. The main corrective support was provided by the Bush administration. Whether you do or don’t agree that the government should have provided this support, Barack Obama did think it was necessary and voted for it while in his Senate seat. Most of the banking back-up loans have now been paid back with significant interest. However, when compared to the financial crisis that took place during 911, the 911 disasters were potentially much more severe and more difficult to manage.

I remember being amazed and thanked God that the Bush administration was in charge at that time of 911. The Trade Centers were a hub of our financial system. Key people were killed, systems, records and infrastructure were destroyed in an instant. Yet we came back in a very short time. Hundreds and thousands of people worked in the background to repair our financial system and today, very few remember the wonderful work they did.

· Bush was a big spender? – Remember, while the Bush administration had a modest majority in Congress, it had a sharply divided Senate (50-50) and Tom Dashle (D–SD) became majority leader just four months after Bush was inaugurated. Without going through the votes, I think I can state that Democrats opposed very little of the spending bills and proposed budgets that always exceeded the spending that Bush proposed. We need to remember that all spending bills originate in the House of Representatives. Bush may be faulted for being too willing to compromise with Congress. Today, Republicans chide him for failing to veto bills that were presented to him by Congress. However, Bush was in a difficult spot and every big spender (both Democrat and Republican) took advantage of the 911 environment to splurge on their favorite projects. On 911, President Bush turned his focus to keeping our country safe. He initiated military operations in Afghanistan, Iraq and many other areas around the world. Remember also that Bush had strong bi-partisan support for both of these actions. Later, after we had chased out the bad guys and each country was freed to democratically elect a government of its choice, the Democrats lost interest and started to accuse the Bush administration of tricking them into supporting the actions in Afghanistan and Iraq (although the leadership of both parties had complete access to the same intelligence as the President). Thereafter, Bush had to fight a congress that threatened to withhold funds for these military operations unless they got what they wanted. It is true that Bush contributed to spending initiatives with his proposal to expand prescription drug entitlements, but he had Democrat support for this initiative and some economic justification. Bush can take full credit for pushing the No Child Left Behind initiative and this did add modestly to the federal education budget. But much of the increased spending during the Bush administration was a result of 911. Huge expenses resulted from implementing the recommendations of the 911 Commission. These included, for example, the creation of the Department of Homeland Security. In a compromise with Democrats (union gift), Bush capitulated and all those security people at the airport and elsewhere around the country, became government employees.

After 911, it is not surprising that federal spending grew more than revenues. However, the Bush administration did maintain some discipline in spite of congressional headwinds and was maintaining a path to get spending in line with revenues.

· Bush Tax Cuts took revenue away from the government? – Democrats choose to think simply about taxes. They think that increasing tax rates will result in greater revenues for the government and decreasing tax rates will reduce revenue. They point to the fact that government revenues increased significantly during the Clinton administration and relate that increase to increased tax rates during that time. They cite the budgetary surplus that briefly occurred during the Clinton years, but they fail to acknowledge the spending restraints that a Republican Congress imposed on Clinton and the fact that our economy was benefiting from the expansive internet/tech economy.

The greatest way to increase revenues is to increase economic activity. The government gets a cut of all the money we make, so the more people are fully employed, the more revenues come in to the government. Allowing the “people” to keep more of their own money is a way to expand economic activity overall. The tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 resulted in increasing revenues for the government. Revenue in Bush’s first year was $1.99 trillion. In his last year (2008) revenue was $2.52 trillion. Federal revenue increased by 28% in the environment of the Bush tax cuts. By looking at revenue and spending graphs, it can be seen that dips in revenue coincide with economic recessions (dips in economic activity – negative growth).

The tax cuts that were implemented have been purposely misrepresented as “tax cuts for the rich”. However, those with lower incomes were the most positively affected by the tax cuts. To help us remember, here is a very quick summary of the tax cuts as gleaned from Wikipedia:

Many of the tax reductions in the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 (EGTRRA) were designed to be phased in over a period of up to 9 years. Many of these slow phase-ins were accelerated by the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003(JGTRRA), which removed the waiting periods for many of EGTRRA's changes.

EGTRRA generally reduced the rates of individual income taxes:

· a new 10% bracket was created for single filers with taxable income up to $6,000, joint filers up to $12,000, and heads of households up to $10,000.

· the 15% bracket's lower threshold was indexed to the new 10% bracket

· the 28% bracket would be lowered to 25% by 2006.

· the 31% bracket would be lowered to 28% by 2006

· the 36% bracket would be lowered to 33% by 2006

· the 39.6% bracket would be lowered to 35% by 2006

The EGTRRA in many cases lowered the taxes on married couples filing jointly by increasing the standard deduction for joint filers to between 174% and 200% of the deduction for single filers.

Additionally, it changed the rate of tax on dividend income starting in 2003 to 5% for those in the 0% or 15% brackets, falling to 0% in 2008. It was lowered to 15% for all other brackets.

Today, Bush detractors claim that these tax cuts unfairly benefited the rich and have reduced federal tax revenue. The tax cuts are subject to a sunset clause and will expire on January 1, 2011 (two years) if congress fails to act.

The truth is that these tax cuts have benefited the poor and the middle class much more than the rich (watch out for that term). According to a 2007 study, of the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) if the current benefits to the poor and middle class were to expire it would have a combined budgetary effect of $114 billion. By comparison, if the more maligned capital gains, dividends and estate tax provisions were to expire, this would only contribute $36 billion to the budget. Further, the individual income tax rate reductions come to $59 billion (2007 study) and are not really a tax cut for the rich. All families with taxable income over $62,000 (and single filers over $31,000) currently benefit and will be affected when taxes increase to previous levels.

You can review federal revenue and spending from several sources, but the Interactive Charts at the Heritage Foundation are easy to view.

Had enough?? Whew!!

Whether or not this was useful or interesting to you, this was a bit cathartic and a positive exercise for me.

Let’s stop blaming Bush and start looking forward. Tune in tomorrow (lets say soon) for the solution.

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#89. To: e_type_jag (#70)

How's about them Mass voters huh?

You mean the one's that already have Universal health care with pro-choice Brown's support?

No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...

war  posted on  2010-01-20   8:00:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: e_type_jag (#74)
(Edited)

What funniest is when they get so worked up they can't bear to see the eviscerating verbal surgery we perform on them.

No..."what funniest is" you thinking that made sense outside of Watts...

No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...

war  posted on  2010-01-20   8:15:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Ibluafartsky (#81)

. Does yukon kick your ass all over the internet?

Uhhhhh,no.

He seems to drive you people crazy!

It's always frustrating having to deal with a fool. Talking sense to your alter ego is the equivalent of trying to teach a mule how to tapdance.

Don't worry,we all understand why you have trouble understanding this.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-01-20   8:25:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: e_type_jag, Liberator (#84)

You're a legend in your own mind lol. You are bozo'd because you aren't worth the trouble to read. You are a retard with nothing to say.

Now get back to circle jerking with Luberator.

Biff Tannen  posted on  2010-01-20   8:32:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: e_type_jag (#84)

7 could be the record here on LF.

I'm at 10 but I've been here longer...good luck with being an asshole...not that you need it...

No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...

war  posted on  2010-01-20   8:39:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: mininggold (#37)

1. I don't own a security company.

2. I didn't give out 'names of posters'. I responded 'in kind' to my anti groupies once upon a time at LP, when Sally refused for 18 months to put a stop to that bullshit.

If you want to play, kid, get your facts straight, or your head out of your arse.

Badeye  posted on  2010-01-20   9:44:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: e_type_jag (#86)

've only racked up 5 at LP.....one of them is the chick goes by the name of war who can't show her face there anymore....so I guess the number is really 4.

You're a forum chicken but then everyone already knows that. But heh.... you've still got the liberator to tell your sob stories to.

mininggold  posted on  2010-01-20   12:11:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Badeye (#94)

2. I didn't give out 'names of posters'. I responded 'in kind' to my anti groupies once upon a time at LP, when Sally refused for 18 months to put a stop to that bullshit.

From someone who been posting for years and didn't hear the word Bushbot, you're a hoot. I'm sure you have confused yourself with all your made up stories.

Are all Pubbies so sociopathic?

mininggold  posted on  2010-01-20   12:15:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: e_type_jag (#84)

Oops...I lied...I only have 3...congrats on yer "pole" position...

No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...

war  posted on  2010-01-20   12:31:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: mininggold (#96)

Whatever kid, whatever. Track down Malador, he's brain damaged, and just your speed.

Badeye  posted on  2010-01-20   14:12:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Biff Tannen (#92)

Hey "Biff".

About last night.....BBBBBWWWWWAAAAAHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

Now piss off and go blow your crew.....again.

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-01-20   17:52:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: war (#97)

Oops...I lied...I only have 3...congrats on yer "pole" position...

Yeah something is up...last night I had 7 and today only 6.

I mentioned to fredjerx I hoped he'd FOAD.....maybe that's it:):):)

About last night........BBBBBBBBBBWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

..

BBBBBBBBBBWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-01-20   17:55:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: war (#89)

You mean the one's that already have Universal health care with pro-choice Brown's support?

Yes.......that's the crew:):)

The crew that gave you and your ilk the election defeat that is just what you hoped for......chuckles.....whirrrrrrrrrrrr......spinnnnnnnnnnnnn.......topppppple.... .....spin............whirrrrrrrrrrr.

This just burns you up to hear the hissing from the 4 flats on barack's express bus to socialist / fascist nirvana.

That and seeing the dead bastard murderering mysoginist racist plantation overlord replaced with a normal non convict philogynist decent guy.

oh....and.........

BBBBWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-01-20   18:04:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: mininggold (#95)

You're a forum chicken

Beats the heck out of being the forum mattress.

Disappear you tooth challenged needle tracked lightweight.....take your abuse from your truck stop overall wearing tricks.

You just dont rank. One a you idiots took me off earmuff/bozo...put me back on and stop posting to me.

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-01-20   18:11:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: e_type_jag (#101) (Edited)

I've voted for one major party candidate for national office in the last 16 years and that was for the House in the last election and it was my neighbor who was running.

Just because you buy into the two party fraud it doesn't mean that I have to. But chew on this: 59-41.

No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...

war  posted on  2010-01-20   18:27:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: e_type_jag (#102)

Bozo lasted one minute huh? You have absolutely no impulse control do you? Get's you in trouble all the time. No wonder they wouldn't let you be a cop, they couldn't afford the lawsuits.

mininggold  posted on  2010-01-20   18:45:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: mininggold, war (#104)

Bozo lasted one minute huh?

??

Huh?

Don't know why I'm bothering with you in noting for clarity I have not bozoed a soul on any forum.

I'd tell you to focus on the words here but that might detract from you finding a usable vein.

war.....this "perceptive" tramp exemplifies your "army".....good luck in the Fall......chuckles:)

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-01-20   18:53:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: e_type_jag (#105) (Edited)

The world will be a better place when you are put in jail with your fellow cop impersonators and other criminals. You can test your "wit" on them.

Maybe they will even let you have conjugal rights with liberator.

LOLOL

mininggold  posted on  2010-01-20   19:03:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: mininggold (#106)

The world (for everyone one not driving laong haul trucks) will be a better place when you are not converting oxygen into carbon dioxide.

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-01-20   19:24:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: e_type_jag, mininggold (#102)

Beats the heck out of being the forum mattress.

Disappear you tooth challenged needle tracked lightweight.....take your abuse from your truck stop overall wearing tricks.

Liberator  posted on  2010-01-20   19:25:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Gilbey's Gold (#106)

conjugal rights

Speaking of "conjugal rights," I'm NOT going to mention those forensic specimens you "examine".

Liberator  posted on  2010-01-20   19:32:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Felate-o-rator (#109)

It's time for you to come out of the closet. There is no way in hell that you are not a latent case. You talk about man on man waaaay to much for it to be anything other than your compulsion...

No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...

war  posted on  2010-01-20   19:42:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: 20 Percent Unemployment (#11)

Aren't you posting to yourself here?

Bickus Dickus  posted on  2010-01-20   19:47:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: war (#110)

It's time for you to come out of the closet.

Says the "guy" in the ponytail, dangling hoop earrings, and Spandex outfit who just happens to make habit of announcing at an anonymous website exactly where he works.

Uh-huh.

Liberator  posted on  2010-01-20   20:02:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Felate-o-rator (#112)

The fact that you fantasize about that - and embellish it as I don't wear earrings or earring for that matter - as being a man being alluring says it all, Ass Monkey.

No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...

war  posted on  2010-01-20   20:11:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Auntie Spandex (#113)

I don't wear earrings or earring for that matter...

Thank you for that very special fashion announcement, Auntie Spandex.

Liberator  posted on  2010-01-20   20:23:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Liberator (#114) (Edited)

Thank you for that very special fashion announcement

Awww...poor little Pole Smoker...did I ruin the moment?

No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...

war  posted on  2010-01-20   20:29:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Liberator (#109)

I was just trying to play matchmaker..... you two would make such a compatable couple. A cop impersonator and a Christian impersonator, a match made in heaven.

mininggold  posted on  2010-01-20   20:33:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: mininggold (#116)

I was just trying to play matchmaker

What's going on here whining?

Are you offering to play matchmaker without collecting the customary 10 dollars you collect from your string of truck stop tricks?

You might want to consider not swallowing the condoms all the time as it seems the latex is clogging your airway and starving your remaining 600 brain cells.

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-01-20   22:38:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: e_type_jag (#117)

But I'm the one who devolves debate...or is this where that extra 10 points on any civil service exam go?

No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...

war  posted on  2010-01-21   8:11:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Badeye (#94)

I bet you regret your on-line bragging now. Especially that fishlips picture!

Biff Tannen  posted on  2010-01-21   8:16:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Biff Tannen (#119)

I bet you regret your on-line bragging now. Especially that fishlips picture!

Chuckles...he's STILL whining about Goldi banning his ass at LP for gleaning then revealing personal information? Geezus fuck badeye move the fuck on already...that was how many years ago?

No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...

war  posted on  2010-01-21   8:28:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: war (#120)

He reads LP every day hoping to find a post that mentions him.

Biff Tannen  posted on  2010-01-21   8:46:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Biff Tannen (#121)

I took him off bozo for a minute to read how he had responded to you. Not only is he still whining he's still in denial. For him to claim that he was only responding in kind reveals him for the patholgical liar most of us know him to be.

No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...

war  posted on  2010-01-21   8:51:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: war (#122)

Supposedly he has ways to find out info on people, running checks on prospective hires for companies, I think.

He's got maladork's mom calling his office and to him responding in kind is to do illegal background checks on people.

What a fuckhead.

Biff Tannen  posted on  2010-01-21   9:11:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: Biff Tannen (#123)

Chyea..."supposedly" all right...it's what his "business" is...his ass should have been banned for what he did to malodor. Badeye is a lit rocket...highly unstable and since he has demonstrated that he is still so highly hung up on Goldi's rejection it's just best to ignore him until he works out his issues - which by all appearances will be never - because he's doomed to repeat the same bullshit...look at how he refers to Goldi...he uses her name...talk about self- indicting...

My advice is that while he is around avail yourself of a good credit protection service...

No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...

war  posted on  2010-01-21   9:19:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: Biff Tannen (#119)

That you think speaking factually about my life is 'bragging' just tells me how pathetic yours must be. I feel sorry for you, and others like you.

Badeye  posted on  2010-01-21   9:21:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: war (#120)

No whining here. As I've noted for three years, I'm glad I got away from Stormfront lite years ago.

Badeye  posted on  2010-01-21   9:22:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Biff Tannen (#123)

Supposedly he has ways to find out info on people, running checks on prospective hires for companies, I think.

He's got maladork's mom calling his office and to him responding in kind is to do illegal background checks on people.

What a fuckhead.

I've never even tried to discover who's behind various screen names, thats just war trying to explain away how so many of us discovered he's the fraud of New York City...actually long island.

Second, that goofy beeyatch claims she isn't maladorks mommy. She called my office years ago claiming to be a company in need of employment screening, which my various organizations don't do.

Third, there is no such thing as a 'illegal background check' dumbass. Public Records are PUBLIC RECORDS, you moron...(laughing)

Badeye  posted on  2010-01-21   9:25:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Liberator (#112)

So close to the reality, its staggering.

Badeye  posted on  2010-01-21   9:25:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: sneakypete (#91)

It's always frustrating having to deal with a fool.

It appears you have yet to conquer that inner devil.

Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-01-22   15:33:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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