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Title: The Twilight of Asset Forfeiture? (Copsuckers weep)
Source: Reason
URL Source: https://reason.com/archives/2018/12 ... the-twilight-of-asset-forfeitu
Published: Dec 16, 2018
Author: C.J. Ciaramella
Post Date: 2018-12-16 10:52:06 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 933
Comments: 8

2018 was a bad year for civil asset forfeiture, the infamous practice by which police can seize property even if the owner is not charged with a crime.

In late summer, Philadelphia settled a federal class-action lawsuit over its aggressive asset forfeiture program. (How aggressive? One 78-year-old pensioner had $2,000 seized after police found her possessing a small amount of marijuana, which her retired husband used to alleviate his arthritis.) The city agreed to drastically curtail when and how it seizes property from residents and to set up a $3 million fund for victims of its sticky-fingered cops.

Asset forfeiture will continue in Philadelphia, albeit in a limited form. But the salad days when police and prosecutors could seize 300 to 500 homes a year, according to the lawsuit, are now over.

Earlier in the summer, a federal judge struck down Albuquerque's asset forfeiture program, ruling the city "has an unconstitutional institutional incentive to prosecute forfeiture cases, because, in practice, the forfeiture program sets its own budget and can spend, without meaningful oversight, all of the excess funds it raises from previous years."

The U.S. Supreme Court, which previously seemed reluctant to interfere in such cases, has agreed to consider an asset forfeiture challenge out of Indiana. Arch-conservative Justice Clarence Thomas also sharply criticized the practice in a 2017 dissent in a different case. "These forfeiture operations frequently target the poor and other groups least able to defend their interests in forfeiture proceedings," he wrote.

The increased willingness of federal judges to consider the perverse profit incentives created by asset forfeiture, together with the possibility of a Supreme Court ruling on the issue, raises a real question: Are we seeing the twilight of such programs in the United States?

During the last five years or so, more than half of states have passed some form of asset forfeiture reform, limiting what was once a free-for-all cash grab benefiting law enforcement. In places such as Mississippi the reforms were modest—new annual reporting requirements, for instance. New Mexico and Nebraska, however, now mandate criminal convictions before property is forfeited. Most states have landed somewhere in the middle, adding procedural protections for property owners and rebalancing the burden of proof in forfeiture hearings.

Until recently, a major roadblock to all these reforms was Jeff Sessions. The former U.S. attorney general rolled back Obama-era restrictions and emboldened state and local law enforcement to ramp up seizures—and bypass stricter state laws—by partnering with federal authorities. How much longer that loophole remains open depends on Congress.

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

"The U.S. Supreme Court ... has agreed to consider an asset forfeiture challenge out of Indiana."

Whoa! They agreed to consider a challenge?? Well, this is indeed the end of civil asset forfeiture.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-12-16   11:49:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#0)

The U.S. Supreme Court, which previously seemed reluctant to interfere in such cases, has agreed to consider an asset forfeiture challenge out of Indiana.

Because he pleaded guilty to dealing heroin out of his car, I believe it is criminal asset forfeiture, not civil asset forfeiture.

Moot point. He is not challenging the seizure based on the constitutionality of Indiana's civil asset forfeiture laws, as the article implies. He is challenging the seizure based on a violation of the 8th amendment's excessive fines clause.

Currently, the 8th amendment only applies to the federal government. Mr. Heroin Drug Dealer believes the excessive fines clause should be incorporated and applied to the states also.

Once again, here we are looking at an activist Supreme Court deciding they, not the people, know what's best for every state. Why should each state have their own state constitution if the U.S. Supreme Court is going to decided that a one-size-fits-all constitutuion is better, and THEY write the rules?

misterwhite  posted on  2018-12-16   12:06:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: misterwhite (#2)

Currently, the 8th amendment only applies to the federal government. Mr. Heroin Drug Dealer believes the excessive fines clause should be incorporated and applied to the states also.

The 8th Amendment should apply to all levels of American government, obviously. As should the First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Seventh. There is no reason to permit states to act like fiefs that can abuse individual rights. The only reason to permit it in the first place was because the states would have never agreed to unify in their first place if their fiefdom status had not been respected back then.

It's time to bring the states into line with national norms of human rights.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-12-17   11:05:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Vicomte13 (#3)

The only reason to permit it in the first place was because the states would have never agreed to unify in their first place if their fiefdom status had not been respected back then.

The states unified in order to get certain things done that they couldn't do individually. So they wrote a document giving the newly formed federal government certain, defined, limited powers. The remaining powers they retained.

Fiefdom? Each state had their own state constitution which protected the rights of citizens in their respective state. And the citizens were proud of their state, identifying themselves as "Virginians", "Kentuckians", etc. If they wanted their state to protect certain rights they would have written them into their constitution.

The last thing the Founding Fathers wanted was a one-size-fits-all government.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-12-17   12:07:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: misterwhite (#4)

Yes, all of those things are true. Unfortunately the founders' Constitution also left one quarter of the population in literal chains, as a "states rights" matter, morally delegitimising the whole enterprise. The Civil War, and the massive growth of federal power required to win that, was the price of excessive states' rights. When the states have the "right" to enslave people, their rights are not worth preserving.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-12-17   19:43:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Vicomte13 (#5)

Unfortunately the founders' Constitution also left one quarter of the population in literal chains, as a "states rights" matter, morally delegitimising the whole enterprise.

The Founders' constitution also left a solution -- the amendment process -- which was used to end nationwide slavery.

And remember, you need 2/3 of the House and 2/3 of the Senate to even propose an amendment, then 3/4 of the states to approve it. Meaning the states were part of this process.

In the above case, we have five unelected and unaccountable justices determining how the citizens will live in their own state.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-12-18   10:06:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: misterwhite (#6) (Edited)

The Founders' constitution also left a solution -- the amendment process -- which was used to end nationwide slavery.

Sure. After the slaveholding states had been physically destroyed by the army, and then only readmitted to Congress with the right to vote and be part of their own self-government AT ALL after they first ratified the anti-slavery amendments. Ratification was a condition of readmission.

The South was crushed and militarily occupied, and only allowed to govern itself again if they first agreed to accept those constitutional amendment.

So sure, the "amendment process" was used to end slavery. And it was used like this: you are a conquered people under martial law. You will remain so, without political rights until you sign these papers.

That's how the "amendment process"was used to abolish slavery.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-12-19   7:04:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Vicomte13 (#7)

After the slaveholding states had been physically destroyed by the army,

Not to free the slaves. Lincoln could give a shit about the slaves.

"I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.
-- Abraham Lincoln letter to Horace Greeley, August 22, 1862

misterwhite  posted on  2018-12-19   10:06:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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