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Title: Pope Francis Implementing Change Of Lord’s Prayer: ‘Lead Us Not Into Temptation’
Source: Daily Wire
URL Source: https://www.dailywire.com/news/3922 ... ge-lords-prayer-lead-paul-bois
Published: Dec 11, 2018
Author: Paul Bois
Post Date: 2018-12-11 10:19:45 by IbJensen
Keywords: None
Views: 1313
Comments: 19

(Phony pope, Bergoglio.)

The Vatican under Pope Francis will soon be implementing a change to the Lord's Prayer, also known as the Pater Noster, switching out the line "lead us not into temptation" for the Francis-approved "abandon us not into temptation."

According to the U.K.'s Express, the change to the Lord's Prayer comes after 16 years of research by experts who found a mistake in the current translation "from a theological, pastoral and stylistic viewpoint." It has been translated into literally hundreds of languages from the original texts in ancient Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic.

Last year around Christmas, Pope Francis spoke of his desire to update the "lead us not into temptation" part of the Lord's Prayer, arguing that it portrays God in a false light. "A father does not lead into temptation, a father helps you to get up immediately," the Pope said at the time.

"It is not a good translation because it speaks of a God who induces temptation," he added.

Pope Francis also asserted that other translations had already been changed to correct mistakes and to modernize the language. "The French have modified the prayer to ‘do not let me fall into temptation’, because it is me who falls, not the Lord who tempts me to then see how I fall," he said.

The Daily Wire's Michael Knowles explored why the original translation may actually be the correct one by adhering to the ancient Greek word peirasmos:

While peirasmos, the word for “temptation” in Ancient Greek, may be open to alternate interpretations, who precisely does the leading is not. Peirasmos connotes not only “temptation” but also “trial” and “testing,” as in "to test one’s mettle.” It is in all of these senses, two paragraphs before St. Matthew relates the prayer, that Jesus is “led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be [tempted/tested] by the Devil.” In both cases, while the Devil does the tempting, God leads the way to the trial.

Just why God might lead his faithful into temptation or testing poses a difficult theology question if not an outright mystery.

Defenders of the apparent change say that the new language simply switches out the literal translations so that modern ears may not get the wrong impression. Jimmy Akin argued at National Catholic Register that the current translation already has a change from the original Greek text, so Pope Francis is actually doing nothing radical, as others have asserted:

The previous petition in the standard Catholic version reads “and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us.”

That’s not what the Greek literally says.

It says, 'And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors' (Matt. 6:12).

Debts are a Semitic metaphor for sins, and the English translators have rendered this non-literally as 'trespasses' to make the concept clearer to English-speakers.

Luke did the same thing for Greek-speakers in his version of the Lord’s Prayer, where this petition reads, 'and forgive us our sins, for we ourselves forgive every one who is indebted to us' (Luke 11:4).

Spanish-speaking Catholics have already seen a change to the Lord's Prayer; the line 'forgive us our trespasses' to 'forgive us our mistakes.'

A representative from the Episcopal Conference said that new publication of the Pater Noster will "renew the ecclesiastic community."

"The Bishops intend for the publication of the new edition to be an opportunity to help renew the ecclesiastic community," said the rep, reports Express. "Liturgical reforms are just a starting point. The renewal shall include ordained ministers, as well as the believers."

"Developments like these are becoming increasingly crucial in the process of Christian initiation, in workshops and in proposals for the permanent training of the clergy," the rep added.


Poster Comment:

A change here, a change there. What does it all matter to the now meaningless Roman Catholic New Age Religion?

THIS is what is important to Francis....NOT CLEANING OUT THE CORRUPTION THAT IS IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THAT BEGAN WITH THE EVIL VATICAN II THAT EVENTUALLY CREATED AN ENTIRELY NEW RELIGION THAT HAS LITTLE TO DO WITH GOD. (1 image)

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#1. To: IbJensen (#0)

Question of the day.

Who said this?

"Would you like to see the pope on the end of a rope do you think he's a fool?"

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-12-11   10:27:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: A K A Stone (#1)

Who said this?

Who said what?

The pope is just another agnostic fool following those popes subsequent to Vatican II who completely ruined God's Church on earth by converting it to secular humanism.

IbJensen  posted on  2018-12-11   11:33:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: IbJensen (#2)

The Catholic church was never God's Church on Earth. There is no Pope in the Bible

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-12-11   11:40:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: A K A Stone (#3)

The line from Peter, at least up until Vatican II, was unbroken ever since Jesus Christ said "upon this rock (Peter) I will build my Church........"

IbJensen  posted on  2018-12-11   11:44:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: IbJensen (#4)

You didn't say he would build his church upon Peter

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-12-11   13:48:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: A K A Stone (#7)

He selected Peter as the head of His Church on earth. Peter, of course, was to be succeeded in order that the Church remain until the Second Coming.

IbJensen  posted on  2018-12-12   8:26:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: IbJensen (#9)

He selected Peter as the head of His Church on earth. Peter, of course, was to be succeeded in order that the Church remain until the Second Coming.

That is made up bullshit that doesn't jive with scripture.

Round 1 1. Christ does not say that He is making Peter the head of His church.

2. The key to understanding this scripture lies in the correct translation of the Greek words here rendered "Peter" and "rock." The Greek word translated "Peter" is petros, meaning "pebble" or "small stone," while the word rendered "rock" is petra, meaning "big rock" or "huge boulder."

3. Christ says He would build His church on the boulder, not on Peter the pebble. Christ is the rock (I Corinthians 10:4). He is also the "chief cornerstone," upon which the church is built (Ephesians 2:20).

4. Although Peter is shown in a leadership position among the apostles throughout the gospels and Acts, the early church leaders did not function in a strict hierarchical manner. Read and study Acts 15:1-29. Here is a ministerial conference called to discuss a matter of doctrine causing division in the church (verse 6). Peter makes his point (verses 7-11), which is later adopted by the other apostles and elders (verse 22). But it is James, the physical brother of Jesus Christ and pastor of the Jerusalem church, who sums up the conference's decision (verses 13-19). This helps us to understand how the apostles (plural) form the foundation of the church with the prophets (Ephesians 2:20).

5. Peter was not infallible. Read Matthew 16:21-23, where Jesus has to rebuke Peter severely for a wrong attitude immediately after His statement about the "rock." In addition, the apostle Paul later corrects him publicly for returning to the Jewish practice of refusing to eat with Gentiles (Galatians 2:11-14).

From these proofs, it is easy to see that Jesus did not say He would build His church on Peter, a mere man, but on Himself, and because of that, the church would endure and prevail.

https://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.sr/CT/BQA/k/218/Did-Christ- Build-Church-on-Peter-Matthew-1618.htm

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-12-12   8:48:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#13)

Christ does not say that He is making Peter the head of His church.

'Peter' in Aramaic means rock. Jesus didn't mean to refer to Peter as a blockhead, rather as the anchor to which he entrusted his Church.

IbJensen  posted on  2018-12-12   10:17:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: IbJensen (#15)

You have to add to scripture to come up with what you said.

Christ didn't build his church on a sinner.

He also doesn't like people praying to the non virgin sinner Mary. Yes Mary was a virgin but she had other kids after Jesus.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-12-12   15:15:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: A K A Stone (#17)

Christ didn't build his church on a sinner.

We're all sinners and you and I had best not discuss religion as I am as firm in my beliefs as you apparently are.

IbJensen  posted on  2018-12-13   8:03:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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