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Title: Ann Coulter: Trump’s Great Wall Becomes Trump’s Great Stall
Source: Breitbart
URL Source: https://www.breitbart.com/the-media ... ll-becomes-trumps-great-stall/
Published: Nov 28, 2018
Author: Ann Coulter
Post Date: 2018-11-29 12:43:48 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 2047
Comments: 19

For those of us who were ecstatic the night Donald Trump was elected president, who watch election night videos over and over again, it used to be easy to defend him against the charge that he is just a BS-ing con man who would say anything to get elected.

It’s getting harder.

Trump was our last chance. But he’s spent two years not building the wall, not deporting illegals — “INCREDIBLE KIDS!” — and not ending the anchor baby scam.

Within 10 seconds of Trump’s leaving office, there will be no evidence that he was ever president. Laws will be changed, executive orders rescinded, treaties re-written and courts packed.

Trump will leave no legacy at all. Only a wall is forever.

We had no choice. No one else was promising to save America.

“On day one, we will begin working on an impenetrable, physical, tall, powerful, beautiful southern border wall. We will use the best technology, including above- and below-ground sensors, that’s the tunnels. Remember that: above and below. Towers, aerial surveillance and manpower to supplement the wall, find and dislocate tunnels and keep out criminal cartels …” –Presidential candidate Donald J. Trump

But then he signed a spending bill expressly prohibiting him from building any part of the wall.

“I will never sign another bill like this again. I’m not going to do it again.” — President Trump, after signing a spending bill that blocked any funding for a wall.

Today, eight months later, Trump is about to sign another spending bill that will give him no money for the wall.

Anyone want to bet me that he won’t?

So much for the world’s greatest negotiator.

Donald Trump is the commander in chief. He doesn’t need Congress’ approval to defend the nation’s borders.

But as long as his excuse for not building the wall is that Congress hasn’t appropriated money for it, why on earth would he sign a spending bill that doesn’t give it to him?

There is no tomorrow on this. Republicans are about to lose the House. It’s now or never.

We didn’t need someone to tell us how hard it is to get anything done in Washington. We knew that.

That’s why we hired a builder. We didn’t care what Trump’s position on the lira was. We didn’t care about Syria. We were just looking for the best contractor we could find so we would finally get a wall.

If we were talking about a golf course in Scotland, I think Trump could figure out how to get it done.

But instead of winning, we’re getting whining. We’re told it’s Congress’ fault for not giving Trump money to build the wall! The ACLU will sue! A judge will stop him! Blame Paul Ryan! (Possible Trump epitaph: Chuck wouldn’t let me!)

President Reagan bombed Libya in retaliation for two U.S. serviceman being killed by a bomb in a West Berlin discotheque — TWO!

But Trump thinks he needs the preapproval of Congress, the ACLU and a district court judge in Hawaii to do something about tens of thousands of Americans being killed every year by illegal alien heroin dealers, drunk drivers and straight-up murderers.

Reagan invaded Grenada because the country was becoming a Soviet client state. No Grenadian threatened to touch a hair on any American’s head. One wonders what Reagan’s reaction would have been to someone telling him, YOU CAN’T DO THAT! THE ACLU WILL SUE!

If Reagan had Trump’s advisers, we’d be speaking Russian.

The ACLU, the Center for Constitutional Rights, the Southern Poverty Law Center and the other anti-American groups opposing Trump on immigration were the very same groups that opposed Reagan. They would have been happy if the U.S.S.R. had nuked this country.

Sadly for them, Reagan kept his promises, and we won the Cold War. So now the back-up plan is to destroy our country by flooding it with the Third World.

We needed Reagan and got P.T. Barnum instead.

Evidently, Trump knew he could bomb an innocent country based on false information about the Syrian government using nerve gas in April 2018. (Actual reason: Ivanka cried.) No less than the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons spent months testing the bodies allegedly killed by nerve gas. Conclusion: No nerve gas.

But we’re supposed to believe that Trump doesn’t realize that he’s also allowed to defend the citizens of this country. Does he know he’s president?

Even if noted constitutional law scholar Jared Kushner has convinced Trump that he needs congressional approval before he’s allowed to repel invaders at our border — but doesn’t need Congress to bomb an innocent country because Ivanka cried — the president could order the troops to invade Mexico and build the wall 10 yards in.

But all we get are bombastic tweets and useless half-measures. The conservative media have been excitedly reporting that Obama put illegal alien kids in cages too! Obama used tear gas on the invaders too!

Yes, exactly — and none of that worked. That’s why we voted for the guy who promised to build a wall.

Unlike the president, we knew that the deluge of poor people flooding our country would never stop until we had an impenetrable border.

And whatever happened to that executive order on anchor babies? Is Trump “trying” to sign that, too? Maybe he got writer’s cramp.

Trump also promised to deport illegals — even the ones Democrats have given cute names to.

“We’re always talking about ‘Dreamers’ for other people. I want the children that are growing up in the United States to be dreamers also. They’re not dreaming right now.” — Presidential candidate Donald J. Trump

“The executive order (on “Dreamers”) gets rescinded.” — Presidential candidate Donald J. Trump

Is it Paul Ryan’s fault that Trump did a 180 on “Dreamers,” called them “INCREDIBLE KIDS” and tried to give them amnesty?

Every day that Trump does not keep his promises on immigration, thousands of immigrants turn 18 and start block voting for the Democrats, while thousands of traditional Americans die off.

Florida and Texas are about five years away from turning solid blue. Trump was our last chance. After this, the country is never going to elect a Republican president again.

So the next time you watch one of those election night videos, remember: If Trump doesn’t keep his immigration promises, Hillary might as well have won.

Trump will leave no legacy whatsoever. Without a wall, he will only be remembered as a small cartoon figure who briefly inflamed and amused the rabble.

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#1. To: Deckard (#0) (Edited)

Trump will leave no legacy whatsoever. Without a wall, he will only be remembered as a small cartoon figure who briefly inflamed and amused the rabble.

Without a Wall, he will be the last Republican President, and a one-termer.

The jig is up for you Republicans. It's Waterloo. You win it, or you're done.

My bet: you're done.

I hope I'm wrong. I want the Wall. But Trump's track record so far is just pure GOP greed: slash taxes for the rich, balloon the deficits, and obfuscate about everything else.

Trump has the power to start building the Wall. He has the power to aggressively appeal lower courts who try to stop him. He has tremendous power.

He's not using it. If he doesn't, he won't have it for much longer.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-11-29   13:39:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

Without a Wall,

There will never be a wall.

It is physically impossible

It is fiscally irresponsible

No one in congress wants it to actually happen

Come January, with new leadership in the HOR - this stupidity comes to an end.

If we wish to be honest with ourselves, we all knew the truth - (that there will never be a wall) - when "then-candidate" DS opened his pie-hole and lied, "The Mexicans will pay for it."

We can discuss "Border management" anytime - but there is not going to be any wall.

Jameson  posted on  2018-11-29   13:54:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jameson (#2)

We can discuss "Border management" anytime - but there is not going to be any wall.

Nothing to discuss. America voted for a Wall. Republicans and Democrats defeated them on the Wall. So there will be no Wall.

That means that the demographics will skew further and further Democrat, until the Republicans can't win anything anymore - starting with the next election.

The Americans who voted for a Wall will punish the man who promised them a Wall and who could have made it happen, by hook or by crook, but who didn't. He will go down first. The Democrats will be mobilized to get him, and the Republicans, divided between "Never Trumpers" on the one hand, and Border Wall folks who will view Trump's failure to deliver the same way that "No New Taxes" folks viewed H.W. The next President will be a Democrat, and the one after that, and the one after that.

A Democrat President will declare an amnesty, DACA forever, etc. The Hispanic vote will be the decisive factor.

So that's it: game over for the GOP. They defeated the Wall, and ended their own future in the process. Bye bye Republicans.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-11-29   15:01:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Vicomte13 (#3)

So that's it: game over for the GOP.

If you're correct, history will will look very harshly upon the president and his positions that killed it...........

Jameson  posted on  2018-11-29   15:42:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jameson (#4)

If you're correct, history will will look very harshly upon the president and his positions that killed it...........

He didn't kill it. He's merely the guy in office when the whole marionette parade of lies that has been the Republican Party for years finally came crashing down, because REPUBLICANS would not actually execute what they campaigned on.

The Republicans are the dog that caught the car. They put together a coalition of Christians, gun nuts, Border-bots and Ayn Randians - promising to end abortion, strict gun laws, illegal immigration and taxes and regulation. They gathered in a majority of the voters.

But the Republican Party is actually owned and operated by the multimillionaires of the Country Club, and THEY favor abortion, gun laws, cheap immigrant labor and regulations that choke off rising competition. The only taxes THEY care about are taxes that affect corporations, capital gains, dividends and inheritances. They know that the middle and working and striving classes have to be taxed to death to pay, because they use control of government to protect THEIR forms of wealth from taxes.

Now, to be clear, that tax game is THE REASON for the Republican Party to really exist, in the minds of its owners. That and regulation that chokes out their competition, and government contracting stockjobbing that puts trillions of taxpayer money into corporate pockets. THAT agenda, and ONLY that agenda, is what the Republican Party IN FACT is all about. THAT is what the Country Club cares about, and where the Republicans are always EFFECTIVE in getting laws passed.

But on everything else - abortion (favored by the country club, but disfavored by the bulk of Republican voters); illegal immigration (favored by the country club but opposed by Republican voters; gun laws (favored by the country club, but disfavored by the Republican voters) - the Republicans can never quite seem to get it done. And then it's always "Those demonic damned Democrats, if only THEY did not block it."

Now, truth is, the vast majority of Republican voters are simple people with straightforward beliefs, but no actual knowledge of government. So they TRUST Republicans when the Republicans say that the Democrats blocked them. Truth is, the Democrats have not been able to block ANYTHING since January 2017. Nor were they able to block anything during several years of W Bush's Presidency, when the Republicans also controlled both Houses, the Supreme Court and the White House.

The Republicans have had years in which they could have rammed through their entire agenda, and then relied upon their control of the Supreme Court to prevent the Democrats from undoing any of it.

And in that time the Republicans always reliably cut taxes on the wealthy, and deregulated their favored businesses. And did NOTHING ELSE. With all the power, they made ZERO progress on ANY of the agenda items of their voters. Why? Because the REAL Republican Party, the Country Club, does not WANT ANY OF THAT, and WILL NOT EVER advance any of the things they sell themselves to the voters with. The GOP is, in FACT, pro-choice, anti-gun, pro-illegal immigration (cheap labor) and pro-middle-class tax.

With Donald, something happened. A guy who really seemed to be anti- immigration, pro-life, pro-gun, etc., got the votes of the same people who always voted Republican, and he seems to actually genuinely support those things, so he has pressed for them - and he was pressing a WHOLLY REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT to enact the various things that the rank-and-file want.

The obstruction of a few judges is absurd. And the Republicans and conservative media have focused on the judges. Truth is, local judges are subject to higher judges, and if the Justice Department WANTS a quick answer on appeal, they have the means to get it. The Republicans control the Supreme Court, if they want the Supreme Court to take up an appeal, they can get it done, and done fast. The lower courts that interpose can be RAPIDLY slapped down, if the Republicans WANT TO. But they DON'T want to. They rode to power on Trump's coattails, but they hate HIM, because they wanted a Jeb or a Romney or Rubio - some guy from the Country Club - NOT some guy who actually appealed to the voters and who would at least TRY (or make a show of it).

So the Republicans emasculated Trump by blocking everything. And then they blamed the Democrats.

Now, that still sort of works. Republican voters are kind of stupid in that regard. Many of THEM want to blame Trump. Other Republicans hate Trump so badly they are willing to hand the country over forever to the Democrats.

So that's what's going to happen: the demographic flow that favors Democrats won't stop, and the Democrats will ultimately gain all of the levers of power. They're only one seat away from controlling the Supreme Court. If Ginsburg holds on until 2020, the Democrats will be back in, and Clarence Thomas is not a young man either.

Flip one seat on the Supreme Court the Democrats way, and they will be command of the judiciary for the first time since 1969. You can expect that DEMOCRATS will wield the FULL power of their offices and control. They have an agenda, on which they campaign, but THEY are pretty much straightforward and honest about what it is that they want.

Like the Republican Party - the REAL Party, the Country Club - Democrats are pro-choice, pro-gay, anti-gun. They are pro-immigration, but for a different reason: to make a political majority. Once they have a solid majority, they will become an anti-immigrant party again, to protect the wages and union jobs of their existing voters. Right now they are sacrificing union job security in order to flood the country with people who vote 3:1 Democrat. But once they have control of government, they'll stop that.

Democrats want to tax the rich more to pay for better social programs. THAT is REALLY why the Republican Country Club hates them. THAT is really the game.

But the Republicans have lost the game because they would not give Trump the Wall. Everything else could be worked out in time, but stopping the illegal flow is paramount right NOW, IF the Republicans are not to be swamped in future elections.

The Republicans are not going to build the Wall, so they will be swamped, so the Democrats will rule America with an ever greater reach as the years go on.

Because I believe in the social safety net and in taxing the rich proportionally the same way I am taxed, I am not living in fear of the Democrat takeover. But Republicans should be. The Country Club is going to get its greatest fear: taxes, and it will have so burnt the Bubba vote that they will diminish it.

It's been coming for a long time. The Country Club will blame Trump for it, but it's not really Trump - it's the Bushes and Romneys and their ilk.

The Republicans have one last shot to save themselves: they still control the government between now and January. They can ram through the key things they need, including the Wall. But they won't - never had any intention of it.

So the future for Repubicans is very, very bleak, and it's completely self- imposed. They HAD the power, they didn't use it.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-11-29   17:44:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Jameson (#2)

Really? I wonder how Israel made their wall?

For one years welfare for illegal aliens you could build dozens of walls every year. So it would actually be fiscally irresponsible not to build the wall!

Justified  posted on  2018-11-29   18:07:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

" He has tremendous power.

He's not using it. If he doesn't, he won't have it for much longer. "

Agree completely.

Forget a " big beautiful wall ". another Trump esque Taj Maha. Place razor wire, and high density minefields, bring troops from Europe to cover with fire. ROE - Shoot at anything / anybody that tries to breech the wire. Use drones, and choppers. As CIC, he can do that. If some Judge objects, ask him how many divisions he commands? Then tell him to stick his court order up his ass!

The American people will support Trump on that !!!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

"No one ever rescues an old dog. They lay in a cage until they die. PLEASE save one. None of us wants to die cold and alone... --Dennis Olson "

AMERICA! Designed by geniuses. Now run by idiots.

Stoner  posted on  2018-11-29   19:05:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Vicomte13 (#5)

Ann Coulter is spot on.

Vicomte, is spot on. It makes me sick to KNOW This.

Q is a psy-ops operation put on by the Deep State actors to keep the sheeple away from the armory, and awaiting "JUST THE RIGHT MOMENT" for MAGA Man T to save us all. He is a helluva salesman and like PT Barnum, he entertained us for a while, but we will only have our memories when the show is over.

THIS IS A TAG LINE...Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.

jeremiad  posted on  2018-11-29   19:57:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Stoner (#7)

Forget a " big beautiful wall ". another Trump esque Taj Maha. Place razor wire, and high density minefields, bring troops from Europe to cover with fire. ROE - Shoot at anything / anybody that tries to breech the wire. Use drones, and choppers. As CIC, he can do that. If some Judge objects, ask him how many divisions he commands? Then tell him to stick his court order up his ass!

The American people will support Trump on that !!!

I won't.

Bring the troops and put them on the border? Sure. Minefields? Absolutely not! Fire-on-sight, at will? Absolutely not!

We're not going to murder illegal aliens at the border. No.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-11-29   20:00:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Vicomte13 (#9)

Fine. Then prepare yourself to be over run and massacred by MS 13 types.

The option I proposed I think is the only option that will work.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

"No one ever rescues an old dog. They lay in a cage until they die. PLEASE save one. None of us wants to die cold and alone... --Dennis Olson "

AMERICA! Designed by geniuses. Now run by idiots.

Stoner  posted on  2018-11-29   20:05:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Stoner (#10)

Vic is a leftist with delusions.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-11-29   21:05:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A K A Stone (#11)

" Vic is a leftist with delusions. "

Obviously. I think he has good intentions, but is seriously lacking in a sense of reality on this issue. I have family that are Catholic, and suffer the same. Vic told me once that he was both a lawyer and a minister. That explains him being verbose. I still think he has good intentions, just misguided a lot.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

"No one ever rescues an old dog. They lay in a cage until they die. PLEASE save one. None of us wants to die cold and alone... --Dennis Olson "

AMERICA! Designed by geniuses. Now run by idiots.

Stoner  posted on  2018-11-29   21:57:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Stoner (#12)

I never told you I was a minister, because I've never been a minister.

I may have told you I was a lawyer and a military person, as I was at one point. But minister? No, I never claimed to be that. Perhaps administrator? Not minister.

I'm Roman Catholic and married with children. Being a minister would be quite a trick to pull off.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-11-30   6:27:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Stoner (#10) (Edited)

Fine. Then prepare yourself to be over run and massacred by MS 13 types.

I'm not the one preventing the Wall from being put up. The Republicans are. That's just a fact. They have held all the power since Trump was elected - all three branches of government. They have not been blocked by the Democrats - they refused to do it.

The same was true when W was President. The Republicans held all three branches of government, and refused to do anything about immigration.

You're doing what Republicans do - they're very good at it: blame other people for their failures. I didn't fail here. I would put up that Wall if I could. The Republicans CAN, but they DON'T, and they WON'T. So they blame Democrats, or people who are not Republicans - they blame EVERYBODY for their failures. But the failure is their's alone. When you have all the power, which they do, there is literally nowhere to hide.

Lying skunks and sociopaths CONTINUE to blame others when they are caught out in their lies. There literally is nowhere for the Republicans to hide: THEY blocked the Wall. THEY could still ram it through bodies THEY control RIGHT NOW. But they won't.

Why, then, blame me, for pointing out that their not doing so MEANS that the demographics will continue to change making it impossible for the Republicans to win? I'm just pointing to the natural and inevitable consequences of THEIR failure. I didn't fail here. I'd put up the Wall, if I could.

If MS 13 overruns the country, it will be because REPUBLICANS didn't put up the Wall. It will not be because of me - at all - in any way shape or form. Republicans deflect blame for their own failures and inadequacies. They are guilty here, not me.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-11-30   6:34:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Vicomte13 (#13)

" I never told you I was a minister, because I've never been a minister. "

OK, I stand corrected. Maybe I have you confused with someone else.

No harm intended . I apologize!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

"No one ever rescues an old dog. They lay in a cage until they die. PLEASE save one. None of us wants to die cold and alone... --Dennis Olson "

AMERICA! Designed by geniuses. Now run by idiots.

Stoner  posted on  2018-11-30   7:05:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Vicomte13 (#14)

Boy, you come off with a small tirade. Wow.

I agree with your dislike of the Republicans ! And I am NOT blaming you for anything. Because of the obvious reasons for not having the wall, and we all realize the inevitable consequences of not stopping the invasion, I simply offered another way the invasion could be stopped.

It is NOT my fault that it is the only viable solution to the problem.

But you adamantly opposed that. I simply was pointing out that if we do not employ a viable solution, the logical consequences would be to be over run, raped, and murdered by the MS 13 types.

You may have some fantasy that that will not happen. That is delusional.

So, if the Republicans are not going to build the wall, and we know the Demoncraps will not build the wall. AND, you do not want the military to deploy wire & minefields, OK. What the hell is your solution ??

I guess you are going to go stand on the border and hold up your arms and yell " Go Back !"

Yeah, riiiiiiiiiight !!! LOL !!!

You may be willing to allow your family, and our nation to be put in danger, but NOT I !!!

I don't like my option. But there is no other viable solution! These people are not backing off.

I DO NOT want to see blood spilled. And I DO NOT want to see American blood spilled, either my family's, or one of my fellow citizens. And besides the crime they will bring to our nation, there is the disease(s) they are bringing.

Since they (the invaders ) will not cease & desist on their own, force will be required.

After a few are blown apart by mines, then they will back off.

Like I told Stone, I think you have good intentions, but you are very naive. Get real !!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

"No one ever rescues an old dog. They lay in a cage until they die. PLEASE save one. None of us wants to die cold and alone... --Dennis Olson "

AMERICA! Designed by geniuses. Now run by idiots.

Stoner  posted on  2018-11-30   7:45:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Stoner (#16)

Ok, let's get real. Planting mines and gunning down unarmed civilians trying to cross a border is not real. It's a crime against humanity, actually. No American court will tolerate it. The electorate won't tolerate it. It's not going to happen, ever, because it's not a realistic solution.

The Wall is a realistic solution, but it's not going to happen either, because neither party wants it.

The other realistic solution involves fining and prosecuting American businesses that hire illegal aliens, strengthening ID checks, and making it too dangerous to hire the workers at cheap wages. Punish them hard enough, and the jobs for illegals will dry up, and immigration with it.

But that's not going to happen either, because the dirty little secret on the Republican side is that the Republican Country Club LOVES that cheap exploitable illegal labor. They derive substantial profits from not hiring American for low-skilled mass labor, and they ALWAYS go for the profits, and structure the law to protect their profits.

Truth is, we cannot get immigration reform that shuts down that cheap labor flow from the Republican Party or the Democratic Party. The owners of the Republican Party - the Country Club - WANT that cheap labor, and most Democrats want those future votes: Hispanic immigrants are their majority maker.

The people left out of this are the Republican rank and file who keep voting for Republicans to stop the flow, and who keep being betrayed, and the blue collar Democrats, union and non-union, whose low-skill jobs are handed to illegals.

The only possible way to stop the illegal immigration flow in the short term is for the rank and file to leave the Republican Party, and the blue collar to leave the Democrat Party, and form a new party (which will gain a lot of independents), and then take over and do it.

But we already have seen just how impossible it is in America to stand up any sort of third party. People are too devoted to their exixting political parties, as if they were religions. What else can explain the behavior of Republicans who keep voting for the GOP to end abortion and control the Border, no matter how many times Lucy moves the football. And what else can explain the behavior of Blacks, who vote overwhelmingly for the Democrats in spite of being ghettoized and neglected by Democrat government and even shot up by police forces controlled by Democrat governments?

So, the third party option is out, because Americans won't do it.

What, then, is left? "What the hell is my solution?"

My answer is that there is no proactive solution, because America is divided and paralyzed. So, then, we are left watching developments that we can't change, sort of like watching your country lose a war, knowing that other things COULD be done, but won't be.

I am reminded of what General von Rundstedt said after the German defeat at the Normandy beachheads, with the Americans and British ashore and reinforcing. He said that the obvious thing that needed to be done was "End the damned war!" He know that there was no constellation of things that Germany could do to win at that point. It was over. Outnumbered, outgunned, outproduced and outfought on every side, Germany was doomed. And when you're doomed to defeat, von Rundstedt knew, the best thing you can do in war is END IT, before your country is made into a battleground, and before you lose millions MORE men in a fight you cannot win.

When I entered the military almost 40 years ago, Hispanics were something like 4% of the population. The most important minority was Blacks, at about 12%. Today, Hispanics are 18% of the population and rising rapidly. (Of course, part of this is the result of definitions. Some of my forebears come out of the Basque country, so according to the Census taker, that makes ME Hispanic. I can't help but think of that famous Spaniard, Inigo Montoya, saying to Vizzini: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." To call the European Spanish and Portuguese "Hispanic" is stretching it. To call Basques, whose territory straddles the French and Spanish border, "Spanish", and then classify "Spanish" as "Hispanic" for the Census purposes - Hoo wee, THAT'S a stretch. My point: people like me, maybe a lot of them, are included under that "Hispanic" label used in the official statistics, so we probably should take that 18% figure with a shaker of salt.

Still, the numbers have increased (even if exaggerated by adding in Spanish, Portuguese and Basques), in part because of Heavy illegal immigration, in part because of heavy legal immigration, and in part because of the relatively high Hispanic birth rate.

Now, you can call me "naïve" if it pleases you to do so. I know you're angry. The thought of committing crimes against humanity on the border is born of frustration, which is very real, certainly, and legitimate. But it is not a "real" solution. It's naïve to believe that the US would ever do that. We will not. There is no electoral or political majority to permit anything like that, and there would be massive protests within the military were it asked to perform such a role. Machine gunning unarmed civilians? That would not happen. Mutinies and arrests of officers who ordered it might. Being completely realistic and not a bit naïve, here's the truth: Republicans won't do it. No third party will be formed. The immigration will continue. The birth rate will continue to swell Hispanic ranks. The country will become more and more bilingual. That is reality. What is to be "done" about it? In part, accept it. The culture will inevitably change with immigration, just as it did with Italian, German, Irish and other immigrant groups in the past. That is not a disaster at all. In fact, America has a lot better food than Britain precisely BECAUSE we are so diverse, and all of the good food comes with it. Crime is crime: it has to be controlled as crime is always controlled. Poor people always have higher crime rates, and Hispanic immigrants skew poor. But blacks are native born Americans, for centuries, and they have the worst crime rates of all (because they're poor), so those who oppose immigration are going to need to tone down the hysteria about crime. Yes, immigration of poor people means crime, but the crime is driven by the poverty: poor Italian and Irish immigration was also accompanied by substantial crime spikes. It's just the way it is with poor people: there is more desperation and dysfunction, and that means more crime. We don't have to be happy about it, but if we're not going to stop the immigration, we're not going to do any good by exaggerating the crime rate. It's still very low. And the answer to crime is more police, more monitoring, more surveillance and more enforcement, also rehabilitation and education. As a political tactic to GET action on the border, crime is a winner: it mobilizes the Republican base very effectively. BUT - being realistic and not naïve - the Republican Party is owned by the rich, and THEY have NO INTENTION OF EVER stopping the flow or putting up a wall - cheap labor is a source of tremendous profit to them. So, the tactic riles up the base, and causes them to vote for Republicans, who actually HAVE power. But the Republicans WON'T build the Wall, or do anything else to stop immigration. They just won't. Republican politicians are primarily financed by the rich, and the rich want the free flow of labor across that Border. There is NOTHING that can be done through the Republican party to stop it. NOTHING. They will NEVER favor the rabble who vote for them over the rich who fund their campaigns and who give them cushy jobs on their departure. Not ever. It is naïve in the extreme to believe that they will, and it is naïve to believe that the Republicans are not ultimately the party of the rich. They manifestly are, and the rich LIKE illegal immigration, so they are NEVER EVER going to restrict it.

The Democrats support illegal immigration, for now. It is what guarantees their future political dominance. Hispanics skew poor, and the Democrats support the social welfare benefits that Republicans are always attacking. This gives the Democrats a permanent electoral advantage with the poor. Also, the Democrats are for an easy path to permanent residency and citizenship - and will defend the right to "anchor baby" status. This puts them in tension with the working class and the unions. Democrats are not naturally open-borders folks. They are at present, because it brings in more Democrat voters at the expense of the unions and working class. Now, the Republicans COULD pick up some of that vote, if they were willing to change their policies to be pro- labor. But the Republican Party is the party of the rich, and there is no way in hell that they will EVER consider doing that. So, what will stop illegal immigration? In the end, it will be the Democrats who stop it. Once they have built a heavy, permanent electoral majority giving them control of government, it will be THEM who become the champions, again, of blue collar workers, and THEY will move to close the border to illegal immigration. They won't build a wall. What they'll do is hire a lot more government workers (which equals union jobs) to police the border and enforce the law.

So, in the end, the problem of illegal mass immigration will correct itself, because the Democrats will choke it off in order to please the unions. This won't happen any time soon. The Country has to get a lot more Hispanic first. Want to stop it from happening? You can't. There are things that COULD be done, but there's no will to do it. The Republicans have completely betrayed you, and they have done so because of the monetary greed of the very rich - whom the Republicans will never, ever touch, because they own the party. There is no naivete in that: it is truth. I'm not a defeatist, I am a realist, like von Rundstedt was. There comes a point when you have lost the war, and to save what is left from destruction you have to admit defeat and make peace. If millions were willing to admit that the Republican Party has betrayed them and leave it to create a new one, there would be hope. There is no will to do that. So there is nothing to do but watch the defeat unfold.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-11-30   10:44:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Vicomte13 (#17)

Well Vic, I have to agree with your political analysis. It is true. That is one of the reasons why I have long said that the USA would go the way of the Roman Empire, into the dustbin of history. I have long hated both parties. Neither one will do what is in the best interest of the nation. They both are on the march to destroy the nation.

I wish a viable third party could be put together, but am realistic enough to know that will never happen.

Just have another bourbon & water, and watch the nation go down the drain !!

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Stoner  posted on  2018-11-30   12:02:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Stoner (#18)

Well, Stoner, I don't think that what I'm about to write here is going to cheer you up very much at all, which is why I held off for a day or two to think about it, but you may draw some cold comfort from it, so I'll go ahead and write it. (There's also the matter that what I have to say will probably enrage A K A Stone once again, and some others, and invite a lot of incoming invective towards my end, and I don't enjoy that very much.) So I'll proceed with caution, but I will proceed.

It's difficult to start, because we're not standing in exactly the same position. I perceive you to be a conservative Anglo-Saxon white Protestant conservative, probably of English or Scottish or Scots-Irish ancestry, at least predominantly. Your family has probably been in America a long time, and you have a sense that this is YOUR country, and that you're losing it. There are three things that you feel are headed in the wrong directlon: You don't like the drift of the economics, you don't like the drift of the civic politics, you don't like the drift of the morality, you don't like the drift of the culture.

To be more concrete: you don't like social welfare and the taxes that it requires, you don't like these things in part because you perceive them to be different from the country as founded, you don't like the open tolerance of things that used to not be acceptable (such as homosexuality, unmarried cohabitation, legalised marijuana, and abortion). And in general you do not like the appearance of Spanish alongside of English on official documents such as ballots. I'm not going to comment on whether or not you are annoyed or offended by "uppity blacks" or the trend towards mixed marriages, the "browning" of society. If you don't like those things, you probably grew up in the Southern, Midwestern or Mountainous parts of the country. If you grew up in the South, you probably have an opinion on the Civil War: that it was not about slavery but about states rights. If you grew up in the North and are a traditional conservative, you probably also don't think it was really about slavery, but about preserving the Union. You probably think of yourself as a Constitutionalist, and the Constitution is the legal and moral basis by which you express your opposition to things like social welfare and taxes.

Is that fair?

Now, it would be easy, and it would be the modern way, to talk about my own ethnic background, how I am not Anglo-Saxon, etc., and to couch the conflict between your world view and mine in those terms, but I'm not going to do that. Instead, I'm going to focus on what I believe to be THE defining difference between the traditional Anglo-Saxon Protestant conservative America that you see fading, and wish to see preserved, and the America that has come to replace it since the late 1800s.

I think the difference can be attributed to the rise from about 1% to about 20% of the proportion of Roman Catholics in the American population. Now, "Roman Catholic" brings in its train a great number of racial and ethnic features: Irish, Southern German, Italian, Polish, Eastern European (Austrian, Hungarian, Cxech). Today it brings the Hispanics. Not Roman Catholic, but very similar in general civic ideals are the Greek Orthodox and the Jews.

In the 19th Century, mass immigration from Catholic Europe was met with political hysteria. The chief claim was that as the proportion of Catholics in the population grew and grew, that Catholic voters would fundamentally change the Anglo-Saxon Protestant culture, civic, political and economic. When the US went to war with Mexico in 1846, when Congress declared the war it was stipulated from the very outset that Mexico would NOT be made part of the United States. To do so, Congress thought, would alter the very nature of American culture - the Anglo-Saxon Protestant world would be reduced to but half of a new America whose other half was composed of Spanish-speaking Catholics, with different laws and different assumptions about almost everything.

Admitting Mexico would have done that in one fell swoop. That was prevented by Congress. But immigration from the old Roman imperial parts of Europe meant that the progressive flooding of the country with Catholics would come as surely, just more slowly.

And come it did. And with it came Catholic ideas about governance, about social welfare and law, exactly as the Anglo-Saxon Protestants had feared. FDR's victory, and the victory of the New Deal, was made possible because urban Catholics voted as a bloc for FDR. Catholics were the basis for the Democrat supremacy that began in 1932. The social welfare net of the New Deal and since has nothing in common with the capitalism of the Founders or their Anglo- Saxon Protestantism. It is a very Catholic impulse.

Now, to the Anglo-Saxon Protestant conservative like yourself. not only is the social welfare state contrary to the founding economic and legal constitutional principles, it is also immoral in a Christian religious sense. We need only look at A K A Stone's fulminations about how I support "thieves" because social welfare and its concomitant taxation is THEFT in his Christian religious do.

For Catholics, of course, social welfare is an absolute moral duty. Most American Catholics won't articulate it, but there is a deep-rooted sense among Catholics that to get America past the evils of slaughtering Indians, enslaving and segregating the blacks, and letting the poor rot required Catholic immigration to bring the numbers to shore these things up.

Now, these things are very likely to cause conservative Anglo-Saxon Protestants to be coming out of your chair in anger and disbelief. While the ethnic and cultural overtones in all of it are subdued, the things that stands forth as most offensive is the Catholic sense of moral superiority with regards to social welfare versus conservative Protestants. When things are an an "English versus Irish" or "German versus Italian" level of difference, there's a degree of shoulder shrug: cultures are different. Americans, of all people, know that and have been able to absorb all sorts of features of different cultures. But when it comes to religion, particularly when the difference is conservative Protestantism versus Catholicism, the furies that go all the way back to the wars of the Reformation are let loose. Within culture, the Anglo-Saxons have always spoken down their noses about Catholics. For a country that began Anglo-Saxon Protestant to find itself adopting the civic mores of the Catholics, and seeing Catholics (and Jews) entirely occupy the Supreme Court - this is an affront at the very deepest level of the psyche. It means that "God's people" are losing their own country! (Of course the Catholics view it as the victory of God's people: themselves.)

That's really the root of the game, and the reason why you feel so very badly and dejected about the future I described, that the country is sliding into the dustbin of history, while I see the future of America much more brightly.

For example, when I say that the future of the country is bilingual, to you this is a disaster. To me, it's a good thing. As long as the lingua franca (of English, as long as English remains the dominant language, or Spanish, if that replaces English someday) is taught and used in public transactions, for ease of discourse. Having no personal ethnic stake in either English OR Spanish (being neither Spanish nor English in ethnic origin), I feel no emotional tie to either language. To me, being a mix of ethnicities that all had to learn English to function in America, English language is not an emotional issue. In truth, if I could turn back time in America, I'd turn it back to the French and Indian wars and ensure that the French defeated the English and North America was French. We would still be free (France had a revolution the same time we did), and either part of a greater French Empire, or independent from France, but French speaking. That appeals to me more on an ethnic basis. But that's not the point. The point is that something like language is a BIG DEAL to an ethnic Anglo-Saxon American, and seeing another language rise seems like a disaster. But to somebody like me, that we speak English is simply an accident of pre-US colonial history. English is not a vital moral or ethical feature of the United States. We would still be America if we spoke French or Spanish, or Dutch for that matter.

So, something that is of very great emotional concern to an Anglo-Saxon conservative like yourself, is a nullity for me. In truth, I wish that the French had won the French and Indian Wars, making North America a French colony just before the French Revolution. Then straddling the Atlantic as an Atlantic power, Napoleon's France would have handily whipped the English, rolled up to St. Petersburg by sea and forced the capitulation of Russia, and united Europe and the Americas into one French Empire. There would have been no European colonial competition and no World Wars. The world would be free, and organised as various provinces of the French Republic. We'd all speak French, be as free as we are, have done away with slavery without a civil war, and would all be far better off than we are. That's my ideal alternate history timeline.

Of course it didn't happen that way, but the only people who see England as the "mother country" and who feel the deep cultural tie to England are the Anglo-Saxons. Irish-Americans don't. Italian Americans don't. Polish-Americans don't. The French don't. There's a whole cultural baggage that comes with being Anglo-Saxon and seeing the collapse of the British Empire, and then the gradual rise of other languages in America that makes the current situation emotionally painful for them. The rest of us, who are not Anglo-Saxons, see no loss whatever in the rise of other languages alongside of English in the USA. Europe has functioned with 50 languages, and about 8 main ones, forever. And truth is, when people speak more than one language they do tend to be broader-minded.

So, that's one feature of the future that you see with a degree of horror, that we're "losing something" essential, but I see very much as a positive thing. Having many languages is not a detriment to anybody EXCEPT the dominant culture that feels its dominion slipping. But the dominion of English over the USA was always artificial anyway. We're not an "English" country. We're a mix of everything. English is fine, but so is Spanish. Having two languages is not a weakness but a strength, in my eyes. I speak French and English (and some Spanish and German), and these are all assets, not hindrances. They are not a hindrance in ANY sense. America will be a smarter country, on average, as people stretch themselves to be bilingual.

And unlike Canada, where it's the French and the English having to deal with each other, in America the Spanish speakers are just another mixed part of a mix.

The second thing that you see as a weakness but that I see as an improvement is the decisive victory of social welfare, starting with FDR in 1932. He was only able to do this because of the urban Catholic vote in the Northern cities. It was, in a sense, the victory of one theological view - the Catholic statist way (whose purest expression was Louis XIV's France) over the Anglo-Saxon Protestant way (whose purest expression was the Southern Plantation) . This economic and political change has been THE thing, more than any other, that marks the transition from the old Anglo-Saxon Protestant America of the Founders to the new multi- ethnic mixed America of today. There were a huge number of people in the Great Depression who needed a break and who voted for FDR, but the decisive difference was wrought by the accumulation of Catholics starting with the Irish potato famine on through the waves of Italians and Southern and Eastern Europeans in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries.

Anglo-Saxon Protestant America felt the pressure, and abhorred it, yet the immigration continued in spite of their political agitation. That happened for EXACTLY the same reason that it continues today: the rich capitalists cared a lot more about the profits from the cheap exploitable labor than they did about the cultural purity or religious beliefs of the opponents.

They say that if you let a camel get its nose under the tent, soon you'll have the whole camel in the tent. Catholic immigration was viewed in just exactly those stark terms in the 19th Century, and the Anglo-Saxon Protestants strove to prevent it because of the change to everything they knew it would wreak. The rich of those days wanted the immigrants, for economic reasons, and so the immigrants came, and the culture and society DID change, just exactly as the Anglo-Saxon Protestants feared it would. The same fears and the same trends continue today.

Of course, from an Anglo-Saxon Protestant viewpoint, the history is very bleak, and the precedent means it is not going to get any better: the country will be more and more Catholic, and more and more like FDR and French statism, and less and less Anglo-Saxon Protestant, less and less like the Founders. If somebody has lashed himself to the mast of Anglo-Saxon conservatism and preservation of what was, then one sees a slide into disaster.

Of course, I'm a French Catholic. I see the trend as being very positive. The Founders' economy was a slave plantation economy - that's who the leaders of the Revolution and early republic were. Poverty was grim for the poor then, and the slave. The Social Welfare state has given retirement to the aged, and health care, and universal public education, and poverty relief. Ifs a very Catholic belief that these things are all of the obligations of the King. One of the key REASONS why so many British and Irish people fled to America as immigrants is precisely BECAUSE poverty in England was such a ghastly thing, with so little relief, and a "Bloody Code" that would prescribe whipping and hanging for petty economic crimes such as stealing food. France, by contrast, had relatively few emigrants to America, because to be poor in France was considerably less horrible than in England, thanks to poverty relief efforts by the French Crown.

This is not some difference that comes from FDR, or from the Communists or the Socialists of the 20th Century. It's a pronounced difference between the kingdoms of old Catholic Europe versus old Protestant Europe. The difference is visible today, the very sharp ideological battle lines between "Bible-believing" AKA Stone, and Catholic Vicomte13. So, IF you side with the religious-economic ethos of the Founders and the Anglo-Saxons, then the future looks bleak indeed, with more of the same.. But if you have a Catholic outlook, then things have improved, and as we move towards universal health insurance coverage - some sort of improvement on Obamacare, things will improve further. Once we have pre-school and college expenses covered in some substantial fashion, the social welfare structure will be complete.

The Anglo-Saxon spouts that this is socialism, and Communism, and heading towards Nasi Germany and Soviet Russia, but it isn't. It's headed towards Catholic France and Italy, or post- Christian secular Scandinavia and Holland. Anglo-Saxons will never be CONVINCED that the social welfare state is better, just as there are many diehards who still won't admit that the Southern plantation system was a moral AND ECONOMIC disaster for most people in the South. It was, to them, a "States Rights' question: if those people wanted to live in that sort of misery, then they had the RIGHT to....except of course the Anglo-Saxon won't admit that the bulk of the South was in economic misery during that period. Blacks were, poor whites without land were. It was a bad scene. Still, there is simply a horror of social welfare and the state among conservative Anglo-Saxon Protestants in America, and the bitterest pill of all is to admit that that war has been lost forever.

To the WASP it's a pure loss. But to the French Catholic, like myself, America has actually gotten better and better, in fits and starts, all along. It's freer now for all, wealthier, with a better safety net. That only seems likely to improve.

Sp I look and see a multi-lingual, even more mixed-racial future of a stronger social welfare safety net and a more economically egalitarian society, with gobs of personal liberty, and I see an America that is even better than today. To you, though, some of these things are just signs of abject decline and loss, culturally and economically, and politically.

The interesting thing, from my perspective, is where two particular issues that WASPs and Catholics like myself agree upon. The first is that unlimited immigration will impoverish the country. While the flow of Latinos looks likely to go on as far as the eye can see, in fact it will only go on until the Democrats have secured a strong majority of the voters. Then they will have a strong interest in protecting the workers already here, and it will be the Democrats who eventually clamp down on it. And the Republicans for their part, no longer able to rely on Democrat obstruction, will move in the direction of open immigration, because the business interests that own and operate the GOP will not accept immigration restrictions that will increase the cost of labor. Ultimately, the flow will be slowed and the illegal flow largely stopped, by the Democrats, to protect working class jobs.

The other intriguing possible development is more of a longshot. Abortion is illegal in all of Latin America except for Cuba, which is Communist, and Puerto Rico, which is American. Latinos are Catholic, and conservative when it comes to abortion. They oppose it. Now, in America they vote Democrat because they need social welfare, and because the Democrats openly invite them in with their policies. It is entirely possible that once the Democrats have secured power on a Hispanic base, and once they have put into place the other key pieces of the social safety net, that Catholic pressure within the Democrat party could act to curb abortion.

It's a longshot, but possible. With the Republicans, there is no future, and abolishing abortion has never been possible.

So, while those changes don't look good to you, I'm sure, I'm actually quite bullish on America's future. I expect we will skew more Catholic, statist, with a complete social safety net, so that we will come to resemble very prosperous Catholic countries like France, Luxembourg, Belgium, Italy, Southern Germany and Austria, or secular Scandinavia. European Catholic countries are more restrictive of abortion than we our. Our "abortion on demand" law is pretty extreme by world standards. Only the Communist countries have abortion laws as loose as ours.

If you are able to set aside cultural preferences, and accept that, if expensive, a social safety network will at least benefit your family too, then the future looks pretty good.

It won't look like the British Founders' country. That's true. Essentially, in the end, the French Catholics will have won on all of the major points. But that's actually a pretty good result. If you were to go to Europe TODAY and had to pick a place to live, and were limited in your choice to Paris or Lyon, on one side, or London or Manchester on the other side, the French side of a Channel is a much more pleasant place to live.

The country of the Founders died in the Civil War. The plantation economy and the sweatshop died in the New Deal. Yes, it is not possible for you to get as rich as quickly as a capitalist in America anymore, but you can still get plenty rich, and truth is, you and your family aren't rich capitalists anyway, and aren't going to become them, but it's sure better to have Social Security, education and health insurance than the alternative.

Political defeat is a bitter pill to swallow, but this defeat brings some pretty good things in its train, from my perspective. If you can adopt at least part of my perspective, you can be less glum about it.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-12-01   17:06:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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