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Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 46. #24. To: A K A Stone (#0) I think you have misspelled, it what you describe is a demorat; although I know how you could make the mistake as democrats seem individually to have similar characteristics. Allegedly a democrat is some one who believes in free speech, somewhat an oxymoron in the way they behave believing that unless you believe as they do you have no right to express an alternative opinion. There are things you cannot say such as; a baby has a right to live migrants must obey the law I can do what I like on my own property I can own a gun paraclete  posted on  2018-11-12   0:23:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: paraclete (#24) (Edited) I know how you could make the mistake as democrats seem individually to have similar characteristics. Allegedly a democrat is some one who believes in free speech, somewhat an oxymoron in the way they behave believing that unless you believe as they do you have no right to express an alternative opinion. There are things you cannot say such as; a baby has a right to live migrants must obey the law I can do what I like on my own property I can own a gun Yes. These and many other issues are the Democrats' Achilles' Heel. They are totalitarians on social and freedom issues. They want to control speech - unless it's theirs. They don't care about the freedom of religion or the right to keep and bear arms. They don't really care about the Constitution, except when it serves their purposes. They worship at the altar of abortion, and they have made public sexual deviancy into a civil right. They're not at all keen on law and order, or - post Vietnam - national defense. Because of all of these bad traits, Democrats are unable to get a lock on power. Independents like me find them disgusting. Because Republicans are terrible at economics and hate poor people, sick people, old people and anybody they have to spend money on, they're disgusting in their own right. And so the 28% or so who are Republican and the 32% or so who are Democrat take their positions in every election cycle, and the 40% of us who are Independents choose between two bad options, taking a "Shoot the wolf closest to the sled" approach. In general, the key Democratic social programs are so deeply entrenched that a few years of Republican rule - with substantial numbers of Democrats in the Senate and in the judiciary and administrative agencies to slow down or stop any sort of radical elimination program - cannot really touch them. So we can have relative financial irresponsibility under Republican rule but not have to endure the Democrat totalitarianism on religious, speech and personal liberty issues. Once the Republicans fuck up the economy again, as they always do with steep tax cuts uncoupled with spending cuts, we end up putting a Democrat back in their to right them ship. But the Democrats' odious school-marm tone costs them power once things have stabilied. If Democrats weren't such cunts they'd be the permanent majority. The same is true if Republicans didn't hate working people so much. But it is what it is. And that's why Independents decide all American elections, and why neither party gets a lock on power - although Democrats did largely have a lock during a half- century of building the Social Welfare state. Vicomte13  posted on  2018-11-12   7:04:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #32. To: Vicomte13 (#26) They had a lock on power when people had nothing, now 64% of voters don't care enough to turn up, but listen to them howl about the result paraclete  posted on  2018-11-12   8:02:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #33. To: paraclete (#32) They had a lock on power when people had nothing, now 64% of voters don't care enough to turn up, but listen to them howl about the result When have the American people had nothing? This has always been a relatively rich, middle class country. Slaves had nothing, and immigrants fresh off the boat from Ireland and Italy, etc., often started with nothing, but pretty soon they had something, because they were able to easily get jobs and earn money, and farmers were able to easily buy land (something virtually impossible for the poor in crowded, cramped old Europe). People had something, but there was a gaping hole when they got hold or sick. Social Security covered that. The first universal public school system in the world, for both sexes, was Massachusetts Bay colony, and it was a fantastic success. New England may have been rustic and very much a farmer-and-tradesman society in the 1600s and 1700s, but it was also the most educated place on the planet, with a higher literacy rate than London or Paris or Rome. That New England model spread from there to the Midwest by way of the Northwest Ordnance, which partition one- thirty-sixth of the land specifically for public education purposes. Americans, more than any other people, have mostly always had something, mostly always been "middle class" by the standards of the time. They always "had something". And were relatively well-educated. It was a well-educated middle class population that voted for Social Security and Unemployment benefits and Medicare, because we decided we needed it. Vicomte13  posted on  2018-11-12   8:39:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #41. To: Vicomte13 (#33) Americans, more than any other people, have mostly always had something, You do know that was a depression in the US about 100 years ago, a US led depression, and at that time many had nothing and were prepared to sign on to a socialist agenda. Of course you conveniently forgot that in the rush of nationalist fervour that acclaimed what the rich did in the eighteenth century that ripped your nation apart and again what they did in the nineteenth century. It seems the rich love to bathe in blood, the blood of the poor. You know what it is they always HAD, pride and it is not a virtue paraclete  posted on  2018-11-12   22:53:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #42. To: paraclete (#41) and at that time many had nothing and were prepared to sign on to a socialist agenda. Vic is all for the socialist agenda. He once said America should be taxed and spread our wealth to the whole world. He wants worldwide globalist welfare. He said so. FDR the socialist is practically a god to him. Vic thinks there hasn't been a greater president since FDR. A K A Stone  posted on  2018-11-12   22:58:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #43. To: A K A Stone (#42) (Edited) Vic thinks there hasn't been a greater president since FDR. That's true. FDR ended the Great Depression, established the modern social welfare state, and won World War II WITHOUT destroying democracy, individual liberty and capitalism, as the other nations did. He faced the two worst existential threats to America since the Civil War, and mastered them, and the people voted for him four times on account of it. FDR was great. The near-greats right behind him were Eisenhower and Reagan. JFK would have been great - he was on the right track - but he was killed before he could do it. LBJ and Nixon could have been great, and did some good things. But their personal demons caught up with them. That may be the future of Trump as well. He is definitely doing a lot of positive things that are very good for America as a whole, but the seamy side of the man himself may come to engulf his Presidency, as was the case with Nixon, LBJ and Clinton. Truman, Ford, HW Bush, Clinton, W Bush and Obama - meh. Mediocre. Obama proved that a well-educated, articulate, smart, charismatic black man can be as incompetent and mediocre a President as a comparable white guy. Of course the Democrats demonize the Republicans, and the Republicans demonize the Democrats. And the rest of us sane people see them and judge both political mafia families to be hypocritical and blind to their own faults. Vicomte13  posted on  2018-11-13   8:27:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #44. To: Vicomte13 (#43) Capitalists ended the depression. That prick FDR extended it. He also stole the peoples gold. He was a worthless pile of shit just like his cunt wife. A K A Stone  posted on  2018-11-13   8:59:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #46. To: A K A Stone (#44) Capitalists ended the depression. Capitalists caused it with an unregulated stock market and laissez-faire refusal to intervene with any sort of systematic unemployment relief. FDR was able to rearrange the system sufficiently to save capitalism AND democracy, no thanks to the capitalists who resisted him. They also resisted US preparation for World War II, but FDR outfoxed them. Vicomte13  posted on  2018-11-13   9:24:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 46. #47. To: Vicomte13 (#46) The Federal Reserve was the cause simpleton. A K A Stone  posted on  2018-11-13 14:38:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 46. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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