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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Opinions/Editorials See other Opinions/Editorials Articles Title: Freeper :When civil war comes, propagandists like Lemon will be legitimate military targets. Source: [None] URL Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3701863/posts#1 Published: Nov 1, 2018 Author: backwoods-engineer Post Date: 2018-11-01 09:51:27 by A K A Stone Keywords: None Views: 3321 Comments: 37 When civil war comes, propagandists like Lemon will be legitimate military targets. Just like Julius Streicher was in WWII. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 32. #1. To: A K A Stone (#0) When civil war comes, propagandists like Lemon will be legitimate military targets. Just like Julius Streicher was in WWII. A civil war is possible, but it does not seem very likely. Trump is going to win next Tuesday. His party will easily win the Senate, securing his ability to continue to fill the judiciary (which, in the long game, is the key to victory). And they will hold the House, securing him from impeachment, and allowing for a much more rapid application of his plans. The Democrats will have been defeated politically, twice in a row (Trump's election, and now this), and they will be absolutely staggering under the blows. Unable to launch successful political attacks, there will be tremendous demoralization on the Left, and a substantial number of moderate Democrats and centrist independents who have voted Democrat in the past will follow the stronger horse. The Democrats won't be energized by their defeat at all. Some radicals will, but that won't touch off a civil war. Rather, it will be a subject addressed by law enforcement, in a country in which the Right already controls most of the apparartus of power. The much more significant outcome of the election will be the crushing of the Bushite/Romneyite Right, the Republican Party of the Country Club. The whole Russia investigation, the whole shadow government of the GOP that has actually resisted Trump, will have also been decisively defeated. There have been a huge number of that sort of people's retirement from Congress. When the Republicans win on Tuesday, it will be a new Republican party - Trump's party - the Tea Party, if you will, but disciplined by Trump's control and focused on him as the leader. The political civil war within the Republican Party will have been won: the country club will have been defeated, and the Bushite and Romneyite holdouts will be banished from power. In the aftermath, the Republican party will obey Trump, and will swiftly move in Congress to follow his lead. We have already seen the switch with Graham, one of the most obnoxious anti- Trump voices of the past four years. McCain is dead, and Graham has watched Trump win, the Democrats lose and the country club wing of the GOP, that he has always hung onto, lose. He has already substantially shifted colors and fallen into line behind Trump. After this election the Never Trumpers will be a rump, and they will not hold any of the major levers of power in the GOP anymore. Trump will. Rosenstein and co. will swiftly shut down the Russia investigation, and Mueller will either fall in line and EXONERATE Trump, further burying both the Democrats AND the Never Trump right, OR he will try some sort of last-ditch Never Trump report, and be fired. Yes, there will be yet another effort to make a brouhaha over it, but the Trumpish victory in the election will have not just given the real practical power to Trump, but have demonstrated the truth: the American voters do not give a damn. So, at worst Mueller and the Never Trumpers will try to use law enforcement and investigation to bring down Trump - a last ditch - and Trump will demonstrate that the Justice Department and the investigative power of the United States belongs to the popular President and his powerful popular party, and that the people have taken sides and DON'T CARE about legalities and rigged investigations. With all of the power flowing to Trump and the Tea Party Trumpers, the Republicans will cave and submit completely - the ALTERNATIVE is for that investigative power to be turned on them individually and their wealth and power stripped individually - because Trump's people are just as capable of carrying out vindictive prosecution as those who have attacked him, but the people Trump will crush with the prosecutorial power are NOT the Chief Executive of the nation with immunity and veto and commander-in-chief authority. In other words: Trump cannot be destroyed by the Koch brothers, but the Koch brothers can be destroyed by Trump and the Justice Department. Therefore, the Kochs, and the Romneys, and the Bushes - all of them on the Right, will kneel before Trump and submit to him. Never Trump ends with Trump's victory next Tuesday. With a demoralized country club Right and a demoralized Left, and all the reins of power in his hand, Trump will move SWIFTLY to enact his agenda. He will be very much like FDR, except that FDR didn't control the Supreme Court and had to break it. Trump starts out with the Court - the election will have broken his enemies. The economy will surge, and the bulk of the people will be pretty happy. "Trumpism" will become the "New Deal" and America will politically realign behind it just as America realigned for two generations between the New Deal and the Great Society. The illegal immigration surge will end and, with manufacturing jobs coming back and able to support families, mark 1 mod 0 American families will start having kids again, stabilizing the traditional political majority, and thereby making civil war less and less likely. There won't be a civil war. There will be a Trumpish future. Vicomte13  posted on  2018-11-01   10:59:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: Vicomte13 (#1) You talk as you know what will happen. I'm hopeful but I don't have your certainty. Hopefully you are correct. A K A Stone  posted on  2018-11-01   11:16:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: A K A Stone (#2) You talk as you know what will happen. I'm hopeful but I don't have your certainty. Hopefully you are correct. We shall see. I've got a bet riding on this, just like I did on Trump's election. If I lose, I will have to fly to Chicago, bottle of fine single-malt Scotch Whiskey in hand, and admit defeat in person to two people and buy them steak dinners, and listen to them as they gloat. When I win, those two people will have to get on planes from Chicago and Michigan, respectively, and fly to New York, then take cars out to Connecticut, bringing me bottles of fine vodka (one each: Tito's and Grey Goose), and treat me to a steak dinner, at which I will gloat and lord it over them - just like I did after Trump's win back in November, 2016. Events have developed following the template that I have expected, and I see no reason to doubt they will continue to do so. I expect that the Republicans will be net +5 in the Senate, and net +2 in the House. After that, I expect a swift end to the Mueller probe with no accusations against the President. Vicomte13  posted on  2018-11-01   11:55:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: Vicomte13 (#5) I expect a swift end to the Mueller probe with no accusations against the President. You mean you hope all the straw will have been blown out of the "Russian" red herring. Meanwhile -- Who is Felix Sater? VxH  posted on  2018-11-01   11:59:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: VxH (#7) Who is Felix Sater? I don't care. Vicomte13  posted on  2018-11-01   12:07:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: Vicomte13 (#11) He's convicted felon racketeer (((Russian))) who called (D)onald Trump "our boy". "our boy" -- Is that like a "friend of (((ours)))" thing? "You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the "Russian Revolution." It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be understated. Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators." --Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn VxH  posted on  2018-11-01   12:14:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: VxH (#14) You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. You must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia did so in 1917, over a century ago, that Bolsheviks have not ruled Russia since 1991, nearly 30 years ago, and that Bolsheviks have never come close to ruling the USA, so when speaking of American politics, Bolsheviks simply do not matter. Russia has never been all that important, other than as a Cold War military adversaries. So all sorts of intricate conspiracy theorizing about Bolsheviks and the bad things they did to foreign people on the other side of the world really doesn't move the American political needle at all - not because we're stupid, but because we're rationally ignorant: American politics isn't trivial pursuit. Vicomte13  posted on  2018-11-01   14:13:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: Vicomte13 (#24) A K A Stone  posted on  2018-11-01   14:20:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: A K A Stone (#26) Subject to the jurisdiction of means "can be tried by the courts of". Illegals can be, and are. That's what the courts will say. And they will be right. Vicomte13  posted on  2018-11-01   14:36:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: Vicomte13 (#28) No subject to the jurisdiction. Means you you subjects ot US law or a foreign law. The drafters of the law made that clear. THAT is what they voted for. That is a historical fact. A K A Stone  posted on  2018-11-01   14:42:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: A K A Stone (#29) No subject to the jurisdiction. Means you you subjects ot US law or a foreign law. The drafters of the law made that clear. No, it doesn't. It means "can be tried in the courts of", the Supreme Court has made that clear over and over again. And the Supreme Court has the final say on what the Constitution means, subject only to the amendment process by the USA. Vicomte13  posted on  2018-11-01   14:49:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #32. To: Vicomte13 (#31) "can be tried in the courts of" You're making stuff up. It means subject to the jurisdiction thereof. Of course anyone in the country could be arrested for committing crimes. That is a no brainer. That doesn't mean they are subjects of this jurisdiction. A K A Stone  posted on  2018-11-01   14:52:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 32. #33. To: A K A Stone (#32) Of course anyone in the country could be arrested for committing crimes. That is a no brainer. That doesn't mean they are subjects of this jurisdiction. They can be arrested, yes, by the executive power - the police. But not everybody can be tried in the courts. Diplomats can be arrested, but they cannot be tried, because our courts do not have jurisdiction over foreign diplomats with immunity. The President, if he went berserk drunk driving, could be arrested by the police, but he could not be tried in regular court, because while he is president, the criminal courts do not have jurisdiction. JURIS-diction refers to the juridical authority - the courts - not to the executive authority - the police, the army. I'm not making things up. Jurisdictional limits are bread and butter bar exam stuff. Every case brought in court includes a preliminary section explaining to the judge why he has the authority to preside over and rule on the case at all. Jurisdiction means subject to adjudication by the courts of the land. It does not refer to whether or not the police can arrest you. If the President started to beat his wife to death, the Secret Service and any Generals present could - and would - physically intervene to stop him EVEN THOUGH they don't have the legal authority to issue orders to the President, but what they could not do is then bring charges based on that before some judge to have the President punished. The Queen is above the law in Britain, but if she went out and started running people over in her car, they would stop her physically, of course. What they wouldn't be able to do is TRY her in a court. That's jurisdiction: the power to try in a court, to adjudicate a judicial case. It does not refer to the actual physical power of the armed forces to do something. Vicomte13  posted on  2018-11-01 16:34:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #34. To: A K A Stone (#32) (Edited) That doesn't mean they are subjects of this jurisdiction Oh.  "Subjects" now are we in this jurisdiction? Must've missed that memo / tweet from the (D)ufus in Chief.   “THE United States are a new nation, or political society, formed at first by the Declaration of Independence, out of those British subjects   in America, who were thrown out of royal protection by act of parliament, passed in  December, 1775. A citizen of the United States, means a member of this new nation. The principle of government being radically changed by the revolution, the political character of the people was also changed from subjects to citizens . The difference is immense. Subject is derived from the Latin words,  suband jacio, and means one who is under  the power of another; but a citizen is an unit of a mass of free people, who, collectively, possess sovereignty. Subjects look up to a master, but citizens are so far equal, that none have hereditary rights superior to others. Each citizen of a free state contains, within himself, by nature and the constitution, as much of the common sovereignty as another. In the eye of reason and philosophy, the political condition of citizens is more exalted than that of noblemen. Dukes and earls are the creatures of kings, and may be made by them at pleasure: but citizens possess in their own right original sovereignty.” A Dissertation on the manner of acquiring the character and privileges of a citizen of the United States . [Charleston, S.C.? : s.n.], 1789. 8 pp.; 22 cm. (8vo) http://www.classi capologetics.com/r/Ramsay.Citizen.pdf VxH  posted on  2018-11-01 16:44:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 32. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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