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Title: Freeper :When civil war comes, propagandists like Lemon will be legitimate military targets.
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URL Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3701863/posts#1
Published: Nov 1, 2018
Author: backwoods-engineer
Post Date: 2018-11-01 09:51:27 by A K A Stone
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Views: 3274
Comments: 37

When civil war comes, propagandists like Lemon will be legitimate military targets. Just like Julius Streicher was in WWII.

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#1. To: A K A Stone (#0)

When civil war comes, propagandists like Lemon will be legitimate military targets. Just like Julius Streicher was in WWII.

A civil war is possible, but it does not seem very likely.

Trump is going to win next Tuesday. His party will easily win the Senate, securing his ability to continue to fill the judiciary (which, in the long game, is the key to victory). And they will hold the House, securing him from impeachment, and allowing for a much more rapid application of his plans.

The Democrats will have been defeated politically, twice in a row (Trump's election, and now this), and they will be absolutely staggering under the blows. Unable to launch successful political attacks, there will be tremendous demoralization on the Left, and a substantial number of moderate Democrats and centrist independents who have voted Democrat in the past will follow the stronger horse. The Democrats won't be energized by their defeat at all. Some radicals will, but that won't touch off a civil war. Rather, it will be a subject addressed by law enforcement, in a country in which the Right already controls most of the apparartus of power.

The much more significant outcome of the election will be the crushing of the Bushite/Romneyite Right, the Republican Party of the Country Club. The whole Russia investigation, the whole shadow government of the GOP that has actually resisted Trump, will have also been decisively defeated. There have been a huge number of that sort of people's retirement from Congress. When the Republicans win on Tuesday, it will be a new Republican party - Trump's party - the Tea Party, if you will, but disciplined by Trump's control and focused on him as the leader. The political civil war within the Republican Party will have been won: the country club will have been defeated, and the Bushite and Romneyite holdouts will be banished from power.

In the aftermath, the Republican party will obey Trump, and will swiftly move in Congress to follow his lead.

We have already seen the switch with Graham, one of the most obnoxious anti- Trump voices of the past four years. McCain is dead, and Graham has watched Trump win, the Democrats lose and the country club wing of the GOP, that he has always hung onto, lose. He has already substantially shifted colors and fallen into line behind Trump. After this election the Never Trumpers will be a rump, and they will not hold any of the major levers of power in the GOP anymore. Trump will.

Rosenstein and co. will swiftly shut down the Russia investigation, and Mueller will either fall in line and EXONERATE Trump, further burying both the Democrats AND the Never Trump right, OR he will try some sort of last-ditch Never Trump report, and be fired. Yes, there will be yet another effort to make a brouhaha over it, but the Trumpish victory in the election will have not just given the real practical power to Trump, but have demonstrated the truth: the American voters do not give a damn.

So, at worst Mueller and the Never Trumpers will try to use law enforcement and investigation to bring down Trump - a last ditch - and Trump will demonstrate that the Justice Department and the investigative power of the United States belongs to the popular President and his powerful popular party, and that the people have taken sides and DON'T CARE about legalities and rigged investigations.

With all of the power flowing to Trump and the Tea Party Trumpers, the Republicans will cave and submit completely - the ALTERNATIVE is for that investigative power to be turned on them individually and their wealth and power stripped individually - because Trump's people are just as capable of carrying out vindictive prosecution as those who have attacked him, but the people Trump will crush with the prosecutorial power are NOT the Chief Executive of the nation with immunity and veto and commander-in-chief authority.

In other words: Trump cannot be destroyed by the Koch brothers, but the Koch brothers can be destroyed by Trump and the Justice Department. Therefore, the Kochs, and the Romneys, and the Bushes - all of them on the Right, will kneel before Trump and submit to him. Never Trump ends with Trump's victory next Tuesday.

With a demoralized country club Right and a demoralized Left, and all the reins of power in his hand, Trump will move SWIFTLY to enact his agenda. He will be very much like FDR, except that FDR didn't control the Supreme Court and had to break it. Trump starts out with the Court - the election will have broken his enemies.

The economy will surge, and the bulk of the people will be pretty happy. "Trumpism" will become the "New Deal" and America will politically realign behind it just as America realigned for two generations between the New Deal and the Great Society.

The illegal immigration surge will end and, with manufacturing jobs coming back and able to support families, mark 1 mod 0 American families will start having kids again, stabilizing the traditional political majority, and thereby making civil war less and less likely.

There won't be a civil war. There will be a Trumpish future.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-11-01   10:59:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

You talk as you know what will happen. I'm hopeful but I don't have your certainty. Hopefully you are correct.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-11-01   11:16:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: A K A Stone (#2)

You talk as you know what will happen. I'm hopeful but I don't have your certainty. Hopefully you are correct.

We shall see.

I've got a bet riding on this, just like I did on Trump's election.

If I lose, I will have to fly to Chicago, bottle of fine single-malt Scotch Whiskey in hand, and admit defeat in person to two people and buy them steak dinners, and listen to them as they gloat.

When I win, those two people will have to get on planes from Chicago and Michigan, respectively, and fly to New York, then take cars out to Connecticut, bringing me bottles of fine vodka (one each: Tito's and Grey Goose), and treat me to a steak dinner, at which I will gloat and lord it over them - just like I did after Trump's win back in November, 2016.

Events have developed following the template that I have expected, and I see no reason to doubt they will continue to do so.

I expect that the Republicans will be net +5 in the Senate, and net +2 in the House.

After that, I expect a swift end to the Mueller probe with no accusations against the President.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-11-01   11:55:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Vicomte13 (#5)

I expect a swift end to the Mueller probe with no accusations against the President.

You mean you hope all the straw will have been blown out of the "Russian" red herring.

Meanwhile --

Who is Felix Sater?

VxH  posted on  2018-11-01   11:59:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: VxH (#7)

Felix is a govt agent.

You are a Nazi like idiot asshole wiper.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-11-01   12:03:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: A K A Stone (#8)

Felix is a govt agent.

LOL. Yeah, him and Walter Mitty.

Meanwhile, in reality land:

VxH  posted on  2018-11-01   12:07:12 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: VxH (#10)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Sater

Felix Sater
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Felix Henry Sater (born Felix Mikhailovich Sheferovsky; March 2, 1966) is an American former mobster, real estate developer and former managing director of Bayrock Group LLC, a real estate conglomerate based out of New York City. Sater has been an advisor to many corporations, including The Trump Organization, Rixos Hotels and Resorts, Sembol Construction, Potok (formerly the Mirax Group), and TxOil.

In 1998, Sater pleaded guilty to his involvement in a $40 million stock fraud scheme orchestrated by the Russian Mafia, and became an informant for the Federal Bureau of Investigation and federal prosecutors, assisting with organized crime investigations. In 2017, Sater agreed to cooperate with investigators into international money laundering schemes.

Early life and family

Sater was born in Moscow into a Russian Jewish family, the son of Mikhail Sheferovsky and Rachel Sheferovskaya. He has a sister, Regina. The family emigrated to Israel when Felix was 8 years old to avoid religious persecution in the Soviet Union, and eventually came to the United States, living in Baltimore, Maryland before settling in Brighton Beach, New York in 1974. Felix and his sister adopted the surname Sater. Mikhail Sheferovsky (also known as Michael Sheferofsky) states that the family name was Saterov at some point. According to the FBI, Mikhail Sheferovsky was an underboss for Russian Mafia "boss of bosses" Semion Mogilevich and convicted of extorting money from local restaurants, grocery stores, and a medical clinic.

Felix Sater is reportedly a childhood friend of Michael Cohen.

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Personal life

Sater resides in Port Washington, New York. He has three daughters. Felix Sater is an active member of the Chabad of Port Washington and was named their Man of the Year in 2010 and 2014.

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https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/anthonycormier/felix-sater-trump-russia-undercover-us-spy

How A Player In The Trump-Russia Scandal Led A Double Life As An American Spy

Felix Sater has been cast as a Russian mafioso, a career criminal, and a key business associate of President Donald Trump's — but he spent more than two decades as an intelligence asset who helped the US government track terrorists and mobsters. “Greed is my go-to weapon.”

Anthony Cormier
BuzzFeed News Reporter

Jason Leopold
BuzzFeed News Reporter

Posted on March 12, 2018, at 11:56 a.m. ET

In the sprawling Trump-Russia investigation, one name constantly pops up: Felix Sater. In story after story, Sater is described as Donald Trump’s former business partner, a convicted stock swindler who was born in the Soviet Union, worked in Russia, tried to win Trump a deal in Moscow, and even helped broker a Ukrainian peace plan that Vladimir Putin would have loved.

Basically, he’s portrayed as something just short of a Russian spy.

Effectively, he has been a spy — but for the United States. For the first time, BuzzFeed News has verified the surprising sweep of Sater’s undercover work and many of his specific exploits. He worked as an asset for the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency (or DIA) and tracked Osama bin Laden. Then he worked for more than a decade for the FBI, providing intel on everything from the mob to North Korea’s drive for nuclear weapons. He still operates as a source for the bureau, according to two current FBI agents.

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“At the direction of the FBI,” the Department of Justice stated in a newly unsealed court filing, Sater traveled to the Middle East after 9/11 to collect “valuable intelligence” on “key leaders in al Qaeda,” and he helped “in a number of other areas, including Russian organized crime.” In other court filings, the Justice Department said Sater’s work on behalf of the United States “involves 18 foreign governments” as well as “various families of La Cosa Nostra,” and that his help was “of an extraordinary depth and breadth.”

Specific exploits confirmed by BuzzFeed News include:

  • He obtained five of the personal satellite telephone numbers for Osama bin Laden before 9/11 and he helped flip the personal secretary to Mullah Omar, then the head of the Taliban and an ally of bin Laden, into a source who provided the location of al-Qaeda training camps and weapons caches.

  • In 2004, he persuaded a source in Russia’s foreign military intelligence to hand over the name and photographs of a North Korean military operative who was purchasing equipment to build the country’s nuclear arsenal.

  • Sater provided US intelligence with details about possible assassination threats against former president George W. Bush and secretary of state Colin Powell. Sater reported that jihadists were hiding in a hut outside Bagram Air Base and planned to shoot down Powell’s plane during a January 2002 visit. He later told his handlers that two female al-Qaeda members were trying to recruit an Afghan woman working in the Senate barbershop to poison President Bush or Vice President Dick Cheney.

  • He went undercover in Cyprus and Istanbul to catch Russian and Ukrainian cybercriminals around 2005. After the FBI set him up with a fake name and background, Sater posed as a money launderer to help nab the suspects for washing funds stolen from US financial institutions.

The CIA, DIA, FBI, and leaders of the House Intelligence Committee all declined to comment.

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https://www.businessinsider.com/felix-sater-tax-fraud-case-trump-russia-2017-9

New York court dismisses $250 million tax fraud case against Russia-born former Trump associate

Natasha Bertrand
Business Insider
Sep. 28, 2017, 6:30 AM

A Manhattan court dismissed a $250 million civil tax fraud case against Russian-American businessman Felix Sater on Wednesday, Business Insider has learned.

The civil tax-fraud case against Sater, a former associate of President Donald Trump, and the real-estate company he cofounded, Bayrock, was being prosecuted as a qui tam case, which allows a whistleblower to file on the state's behalf. The attorney general's office can then choose to intervene or not.

The purported whistleblower in this case was a lawyer named Fred Oberlander, who at one point represented Sater's former business partner Jody Kriss in a money-laundering suit against Bayrock.

Oberlander acknowledged Wednesday that he had filed his qui tam complaint based on information that had been stricken by federal judges from Kriss' original complaint, an attorney who attended the hearing on Wednesday told Business Insider.

The attorney said "the argument did not go well for Oberlander, and it seemed likely that the complaint would be dismissed based on Oberlander's use of information that the federal judges had previously ordered removed from the federal complaint as confidential."

Sater and his lawyer, Robert Wolf, confirmed afterward that the case had been dismissed.

Attorney General Eric Schneiderman's office declined to intervene in the case last year. He sent a letter in February 2016 notifying the New York Supreme Court of a "misleading" press release Oberlander had issued claiming that Schneiderman had green-lighted the case, "when in fact the State had expressly declined to intervene," Schneiderman wrote.

The attorney general's office said it would continue to monitor the case going forward to protect the state's rights and interest.

Wolf, Sater's lawyer, said the case was dismissed "on the merits," rather than on procedural grounds. He noted that Oberlander and another lawyer involved in the case against Sater, Richard Lerner, have twice been referred to the DOJ for criminal contempt "regarding their misconduct" in the proceedings against Sater.

Lerner told a reporter he plans to appeal the decision to toss the qui tam case.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chabad

CHABAD

Chabad, also known as Lubavitch, Habad and Chabad-Lubavitch, is an Orthodox Jewish, Hasidic movement. Chabad is today one of the world's best known Hasidic movements and is well known for its outreach. It is one of the largest Hasidic groups and Jewish religious organizations in the world.

Founded in 1775 by Rabbi Schneur Zalman of Liadi, the name "Chabad" is a Hebrew acronym for Chochmah, Binah, Da'at: "Wisdom, Understanding, and Knowledge", which represent the intellectual underpinnings of the movement.The name Lubavitch is the Yiddish name of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth village Lubowicze (Lyubavichi) now in Russia, where the movement’s leaders lived for over 100 years.

In the 1930s, the sixth Rebbe of Chabad, Rabbi Yosef Yitzchak Schneersohn, moved the center of the Chabad movement from Russia to Poland. After the outbreak of World War Two, the sixth Rebbe moved the center of the movement to the United States.

In 1951, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson became the seventh Chabad Rebbe. The seventh Rebbe transformed the movement into one of the largest and most widespread Jewish movements in the world today. Under Rabbi Menachem Mendel's leadership, the movement established a network of more than 3,600 institutions that provide religious, social and humanitarian needs in over 1,000 cities, spanning 100 countries[9] and all 50 American states. Chabad institutions provide outreach to unaffiliated Jews and humanitarian aid, as well as religious, cultural and educational activities at Chabad-run community centers, synagogues, schools, camps, and soup kitchens.

The movement is thought to number between 40,000 and 200,000 adherents. In 2005 the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs reported that up to one million Jews attend Chabad services at least once a year. In 2013, Chabad forecast that their Chanukah activities would reach up to 8,000,000 Jews in 80 countries worldwide.

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nolu chan  posted on  2018-11-01   12:21:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: nolu chan (#15)

CHABAD.

(((Russians)))

"You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the "Russian Revolution." It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be understated. Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators."
--Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Korah was:
A: The Pharaoh's Treasurer
B: A Levite
C: The Organized Criminal instigator of the rebellion against Moses
D: Associated with "fallen angels"
E: A Gold Bug.
F: ALL OF THE ABOVE

Same ol' Ba'al shyte - different municipal, organized criminal, outhouse!

VxH  posted on  2018-11-01   12:27:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: VxH (#16) (Edited)

You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic

You would have served Hitler if you were German and lived in that time period. Probably at a concentration camp because that would get you off. You're sick on the head.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-11-01   12:36:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#17)

Why don't you tell the class how "UNPRECEDENTED" the Holodmor Genocide was?

VxH  posted on  2018-11-01   12:47:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: VxH (#19)

Why don't you tell the class what you would do if you were in charge of babysitting a Jew.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-11-01   12:48:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#20) (Edited)

I'd feed it, change its diaper, and return it to its parents.... with a copy of the New Testament.

So, what about that "UNPRECEDENTING" Holodomor Genocide?

Pretty sure starving 7-12+ million people to death is a whole lot of "PRECEDENTED".

VxH  posted on  2018-11-01   12:51:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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