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Title: Freeper :When civil war comes, propagandists like Lemon will be legitimate military targets.
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URL Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3701863/posts#1
Published: Nov 1, 2018
Author: backwoods-engineer
Post Date: 2018-11-01 09:51:27 by A K A Stone
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When civil war comes, propagandists like Lemon will be legitimate military targets. Just like Julius Streicher was in WWII.
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#1. To: A K A Stone (#0)
A civil war is possible, but it does not seem very likely. Trump is going to win next Tuesday. His party will easily win the Senate, securing his ability to continue to fill the judiciary (which, in the long game, is the key to victory). And they will hold the House, securing him from impeachment, and allowing for a much more rapid application of his plans. The Democrats will have been defeated politically, twice in a row (Trump's election, and now this), and they will be absolutely staggering under the blows. Unable to launch successful political attacks, there will be tremendous demoralization on the Left, and a substantial number of moderate Democrats and centrist independents who have voted Democrat in the past will follow the stronger horse. The Democrats won't be energized by their defeat at all. Some radicals will, but that won't touch off a civil war. Rather, it will be a subject addressed by law enforcement, in a country in which the Right already controls most of the apparartus of power. The much more significant outcome of the election will be the crushing of the Bushite/Romneyite Right, the Republican Party of the Country Club. The whole Russia investigation, the whole shadow government of the GOP that has actually resisted Trump, will have also been decisively defeated. There have been a huge number of that sort of people's retirement from Congress. When the Republicans win on Tuesday, it will be a new Republican party - Trump's party - the Tea Party, if you will, but disciplined by Trump's control and focused on him as the leader. The political civil war within the Republican Party will have been won: the country club will have been defeated, and the Bushite and Romneyite holdouts will be banished from power. In the aftermath, the Republican party will obey Trump, and will swiftly move in Congress to follow his lead. We have already seen the switch with Graham, one of the most obnoxious anti- Trump voices of the past four years. McCain is dead, and Graham has watched Trump win, the Democrats lose and the country club wing of the GOP, that he has always hung onto, lose. He has already substantially shifted colors and fallen into line behind Trump. After this election the Never Trumpers will be a rump, and they will not hold any of the major levers of power in the GOP anymore. Trump will. Rosenstein and co. will swiftly shut down the Russia investigation, and Mueller will either fall in line and EXONERATE Trump, further burying both the Democrats AND the Never Trump right, OR he will try some sort of last-ditch Never Trump report, and be fired. Yes, there will be yet another effort to make a brouhaha over it, but the Trumpish victory in the election will have not just given the real practical power to Trump, but have demonstrated the truth: the American voters do not give a damn. So, at worst Mueller and the Never Trumpers will try to use law enforcement and investigation to bring down Trump - a last ditch - and Trump will demonstrate that the Justice Department and the investigative power of the United States belongs to the popular President and his powerful popular party, and that the people have taken sides and DON'T CARE about legalities and rigged investigations. With all of the power flowing to Trump and the Tea Party Trumpers, the Republicans will cave and submit completely - the ALTERNATIVE is for that investigative power to be turned on them individually and their wealth and power stripped individually - because Trump's people are just as capable of carrying out vindictive prosecution as those who have attacked him, but the people Trump will crush with the prosecutorial power are NOT the Chief Executive of the nation with immunity and veto and commander-in-chief authority. In other words: Trump cannot be destroyed by the Koch brothers, but the Koch brothers can be destroyed by Trump and the Justice Department. Therefore, the Kochs, and the Romneys, and the Bushes - all of them on the Right, will kneel before Trump and submit to him. Never Trump ends with Trump's victory next Tuesday. With a demoralized country club Right and a demoralized Left, and all the reins of power in his hand, Trump will move SWIFTLY to enact his agenda. He will be very much like FDR, except that FDR didn't control the Supreme Court and had to break it. Trump starts out with the Court - the election will have broken his enemies. The economy will surge, and the bulk of the people will be pretty happy. "Trumpism" will become the "New Deal" and America will politically realign behind it just as America realigned for two generations between the New Deal and the Great Society. The illegal immigration surge will end and, with manufacturing jobs coming back and able to support families, mark 1 mod 0 American families will start having kids again, stabilizing the traditional political majority, and thereby making civil war less and less likely. There won't be a civil war. There will be a Trumpish future.
You talk as you know what will happen. I'm hopeful but I don't have your certainty. Hopefully you are correct.
https://www.youtube.com/results? search_query=alfred+rosenberg { golf clap } for "UNPRECEDENTED" (((conservatism)))
Still 4.
We shall see. I've got a bet riding on this, just like I did on Trump's election. If I lose, I will have to fly to Chicago, bottle of fine single-malt Scotch Whiskey in hand, and admit defeat in person to two people and buy them steak dinners, and listen to them as they gloat. When I win, those two people will have to get on planes from Chicago and Michigan, respectively, and fly to New York, then take cars out to Connecticut, bringing me bottles of fine vodka (one each: Tito's and Grey Goose), and treat me to a steak dinner, at which I will gloat and lord it over them - just like I did after Trump's win back in November, 2016. Events have developed following the template that I have expected, and I see no reason to doubt they will continue to do so. I expect that the Republicans will be net +5 in the Senate, and net +2 in the House. After that, I expect a swift end to the Mueller probe with no accusations against the President.
Thanks. Just checking. And in other news... folks who've been indoctrinated to believe there is no Truth were SHOCKED to discover that the gravitational constant (9.807 m/s² on Earth) still results in an acceleration which is abruptly terminated by an equal and opposite force when they reach ground level after following the "progressive" herd off a cliff!
You mean you hope all the straw will have been blown out of the "Russian" red herring. Meanwhile -- Who is Felix Sater?
Felix is a govt agent. You are a Nazi like idiot asshole wiper.
I'm a sane American. You're an American.
LOL. Yeah, him and Walter Mitty. Meanwhile, in reality land:
I don't care.
You are mostly sane.
Kind'a convenient when a tax-fraud case hinges upon evidence suppressed by convicted felon ((("agents"))) plea agreement, ehh?
He's convicted felon racketeer (((Russian))) who called (D)onald Trump "our boy". "our boy" -- Is that like a "friend of (((ours)))" thing? "You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the "Russian Revolution." It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be understated. Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Sater Felix Henry Sater (born Felix Mikhailovich Sheferovsky; March 2, 1966) is an American former mobster, real estate developer and former managing director of Bayrock Group LLC, a real estate conglomerate based out of New York City. Sater has been an advisor to many corporations, including The Trump Organization, Rixos Hotels and Resorts, Sembol Construction, Potok (formerly the Mirax Group), and TxOil. In 1998, Sater pleaded guilty to his involvement in a $40 million stock fraud scheme orchestrated by the Russian Mafia, and became an informant for the Federal Bureau of Investigation and federal prosecutors, assisting with organized crime investigations. In 2017, Sater agreed to cooperate with investigators into international money laundering schemes. Early life and family Sater was born in Moscow into a Russian Jewish family, the son of Mikhail Sheferovsky and Rachel Sheferovskaya. He has a sister, Regina. The family emigrated to Israel when Felix was 8 years old to avoid religious persecution in the Soviet Union, and eventually came to the United States, living in Baltimore, Maryland before settling in Brighton Beach, New York in 1974. Felix and his sister adopted the surname Sater. Mikhail Sheferovsky (also known as Michael Sheferofsky) states that the family name was Saterov at some point. According to the FBI, Mikhail Sheferovsky was an underboss for Russian Mafia "boss of bosses" Semion Mogilevich and convicted of extorting money from local restaurants, grocery stores, and a medical clinic. Felix Sater is reportedly a childhood friend of Michael Cohen. [...] Personal life Sater resides in Port Washington, New York. He has three daughters. Felix Sater is an active member of the Chabad of Port Washington and was named their Man of the Year in 2010 and 2014. [snip] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/anthonycormier/felix-sater-trump-russia-undercover-us-spy Felix Sater has been cast as a Russian mafioso, a career criminal, and a key business associate of President Donald Trump's — but he spent more than two decades as an intelligence asset who helped the US government track terrorists and mobsters. “Greed is my go-to weapon.” Anthony Cormier Jason Leopold Posted on March 12, 2018, at 11:56 a.m. ET In the sprawling Trump-Russia investigation, one name constantly pops up: Felix Sater. In story after story, Sater is described as Donald Trump’s former business partner, a convicted stock swindler who was born in the Soviet Union, worked in Russia, tried to win Trump a deal in Moscow, and even helped broker a Ukrainian peace plan that Vladimir Putin would have loved. Basically, he’s portrayed as something just short of a Russian spy. Effectively, he has been a spy — but for the United States. For the first time, BuzzFeed News has verified the surprising sweep of Sater’s undercover work and many of his specific exploits. He worked as an asset for the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency (or DIA) and tracked Osama bin Laden. Then he worked for more than a decade for the FBI, providing intel on everything from the mob to North Korea’s drive for nuclear weapons. He still operates as a source for the bureau, according to two current FBI agents. [...] “At the direction of the FBI,” the Department of Justice stated in a newly unsealed court filing, Sater traveled to the Middle East after 9/11 to collect “valuable intelligence” on “key leaders in al Qaeda,” and he helped “in a number of other areas, including Russian organized crime.” In other court filings, the Justice Department said Sater’s work on behalf of the United States “involves 18 foreign governments” as well as “various families of La Cosa Nostra,” and that his help was “of an extraordinary depth and breadth.” Specific exploits confirmed by BuzzFeed News include: The CIA, DIA, FBI, and leaders of the House Intelligence Committee all declined to comment. [snip] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - https://www.businessinsider.com/felix-sater-tax-fraud-case-trump-russia-2017-9 Natasha Bertrand A Manhattan court dismissed a $250 million civil tax fraud case against Russian-American businessman Felix Sater on Wednesday, Business Insider has learned. The civil tax-fraud case against Sater, a former associate of President Donald Trump, and the real-estate company he cofounded, Bayrock, was being prosecuted as a qui tam case, which allows a whistleblower to file on the state's behalf. The attorney general's office can then choose to intervene or not. The purported whistleblower in this case was a lawyer named Fred Oberlander, who at one point represented Sater's former business partner Jody Kriss in a money-laundering suit against Bayrock. Oberlander acknowledged Wednesday that he had filed his qui tam complaint based on information that had been stricken by federal judges from Kriss' original complaint, an attorney who attended the hearing on Wednesday told Business Insider. The attorney said "the argument did not go well for Oberlander, and it seemed likely that the complaint would be dismissed based on Oberlander's use of information that the federal judges had previously ordered removed from the federal complaint as confidential." Sater and his lawyer, Robert Wolf, confirmed afterward that the case had been dismissed. Attorney General Eric Schneiderman's office declined to intervene in the case last year. He sent a letter in February 2016 notifying the New York Supreme Court of a "misleading" press release Oberlander had issued claiming that Schneiderman had green-lighted the case, "when in fact the State had expressly declined to intervene," Schneiderman wrote. The attorney general's office said it would continue to monitor the case going forward to protect the state's rights and interest. Wolf, Sater's lawyer, said the case was dismissed "on the merits," rather than on procedural grounds. He noted that Oberlander and another lawyer involved in the case against Sater, Richard Lerner, have twice been referred to the DOJ for criminal contempt "regarding their misconduct" in the proceedings against Sater. Lerner told a reporter he plans to appeal the decision to toss the qui tam case. [snip] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chabad CHABAD Founded in 1775 by Rabbi Schneur Zalman of Liadi, the name "Chabad" is a Hebrew acronym for Chochmah, Binah, Da'at: "Wisdom, Understanding, and Knowledge", which represent the intellectual underpinnings of the movement.The name Lubavitch is the Yiddish name of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth village Lubowicze (Lyubavichi) now in Russia, where the movement’s leaders lived for over 100 years. In the 1930s, the sixth Rebbe of Chabad, Rabbi Yosef Yitzchak Schneersohn, moved the center of the Chabad movement from Russia to Poland. After the outbreak of World War Two, the sixth Rebbe moved the center of the movement to the United States. In 1951, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson became the seventh Chabad Rebbe. The seventh Rebbe transformed the movement into one of the largest and most widespread Jewish movements in the world today. Under Rabbi Menachem Mendel's leadership, the movement established a network of more than 3,600 institutions that provide religious, social and humanitarian needs in over 1,000 cities, spanning 100 countries[9] and all 50 American states. Chabad institutions provide outreach to unaffiliated Jews and humanitarian aid, as well as religious, cultural and educational activities at Chabad-run community centers, synagogues, schools, camps, and soup kitchens. The movement is thought to number between 40,000 and 200,000 adherents. In 2005 the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs reported that up to one million Jews attend Chabad services at least once a year. In 2013, Chabad forecast that their Chanukah activities would reach up to 8,000,000 Jews in 80 countries worldwide. [...] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
CHABAD. (((Russians))) "You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the "Russian Revolution." It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be understated. Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators." Korah was: Same ol' Ba'al shyte - different municipal, organized criminal, outhouse!
You would have served Hitler if you were German and lived in that time period. Probably at a concentration camp because that would get you off. You're sick on the head.
Nope. Wouldn't have collaborated with the Tzar's murderers either. Probably would've ended up either dead of in a Gulag. Got any more gifilda-straw?
Why don't you tell the class how "UNPRECEDENTED" the Holodmor Genocide was?
Why don't you tell the class what you would do if you were in charge of babysitting a Jew.
I'd feed it, change its diaper, and return it to its parents.... with a copy of the New Testament. So, what about that "UNPRECEDENTING" Holodomor Genocide? Pretty sure starving 7-12+ million people to death is a whole lot of "PRECEDENTED".
Would bank fraud be grounds for IMPEACHMENT?
https ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia Funny how most of the mighty keyboard warrior/looser Useful Idiots who are just Jonesin' for a "civil war"... probably couldn't low crawl 50 feet from their Toyota before succumbing to a major cardiac event. Zombeyland Rule #1: CARDIO!
You must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia did so in 1917, over a century ago, that Bolsheviks have not ruled Russia since 1991, nearly 30 years ago, and that Bolsheviks have never come close to ruling the USA, so when speaking of American politics, Bolsheviks simply do not matter. Russia has never been all that important, other than as a Cold War military adversaries. So all sorts of intricate conspiracy theorizing about Bolsheviks and the bad things they did to foreign people on the other side of the world really doesn't move the American political needle at all - not because we're stupid, but because we're rationally ignorant: American politics isn't trivial pursuit.
Meanwhile, there's Felix, the lieutenant's son.... and the other Chabadnik miscreants who'd like to change who rules what in Russia, again. But mental giants like you - the Mouse/Lizard/Whatever Whisperer... "Don't Care". Must be a real conundrum for David Duke's fan club that their Useful Idiot heroic Judas Goat could get it so right about Organized Crime, and yet still support (D)onaldo the Magnificent and his Chabadnik associates. { golf clap }
Ok. I can see this is really important to you. Go ahead and publish it. I'll skim it.
Subject to the jurisdiction of means "can be tried by the courts of". Illegals can be, and are. That's what the courts will say. And they will be right.
No subject to the jurisdiction. Means you you subjects ot US law or a foreign law. The drafters of the law made that clear. THAT is what they voted for. That is a historical fact.
Listen to Duke himself on the video. A precedent for the Chabniks, btw, would be Shabbatai Tzvi and his cult of doomsday awaiting useful idiots, circa 1660. Same old sheeple fleecing con artist / affinity fraud mentality. There is nothing new under the Aten!
No, it doesn't. It means "can be tried in the courts of", the Supreme Court has made that clear over and over again. And the Supreme Court has the final say on what the Constitution means, subject only to the amendment process by the USA.
You're making stuff up. It means subject to the jurisdiction thereof. Of course anyone in the country could be arrested for committing crimes. That is a no brainer. That doesn't mean they are subjects of this jurisdiction.
They can be arrested, yes, by the executive power - the police. But not everybody can be tried in the courts. Diplomats can be arrested, but they cannot be tried, because our courts do not have jurisdiction over foreign diplomats with immunity. The President, if he went berserk drunk driving, could be arrested by the police, but he could not be tried in regular court, because while he is president, the criminal courts do not have jurisdiction. JURIS-diction refers to the juridical authority - the courts - not to the executive authority - the police, the army. I'm not making things up. Jurisdictional limits are bread and butter bar exam stuff. Every case brought in court includes a preliminary section explaining to the judge why he has the authority to preside over and rule on the case at all. Jurisdiction means subject to adjudication by the courts of the land. It does not refer to whether or not the police can arrest you. If the President started to beat his wife to death, the Secret Service and any Generals present could - and would - physically intervene to stop him EVEN THOUGH they don't have the legal authority to issue orders to the President, but what they could not do is then bring charges based on that before some judge to have the President punished. The Queen is above the law in Britain, but if she went out and started running people over in her car, they would stop her physically, of course. What they wouldn't be able to do is TRY her in a court. That's jurisdiction: the power to try in a court, to adjudicate a judicial case. It does not refer to the actual physical power of the armed forces to do something.
Oh. "Subjects" now are we in this jurisdiction? Must've missed that memo / tweet from the (D)ufus in Chief. “THE United States are a new nation, or political society, formed at first by the Declaration of Independence, out of those British subjects in America, who were thrown out of royal protection by act of parliament, passed in December, 1775. A citizen of the United States, means a member of this new nation. The principle of government being radically changed by the revolution, the political character of the people was also changed from subjects to citizens . The difference is immense. Subject is derived from the Latin words, suband jacio, and means one who is under the power of another; but a citizen is an unit of a mass of free people, who, collectively, possess sovereignty. Subjects look up to a master, but citizens are so far equal, that none have hereditary rights superior to others. Each citizen of a free state contains, within himself, by nature and the constitution, as much of the common sovereignty as another. In the eye of reason and philosophy, the political condition of citizens is more exalted than that of noblemen. Dukes and earls are the creatures of kings, and may be made by them at pleasure: but citizens possess in their own right original sovereignty.” A Dissertation on the manner of acquiring the character and privileges of a citizen of the United States . [Charleston, S.C.? : s.n.], 1789. 8 pp.; 22 cm. (8vo)
Never heard of him... Stumpy must've banned everybody who had anything worthwhile to say...
I’d take the shot... and later, sleep like a baby. He’s a racist asshole.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
The thread topic is: A: Freeper: When civil war comes, propagandists like Lemon will be legitimate military targets. B: Miscellaneous Jew bullshit C: Miscellaneous irrelevant bullshit D: Orange man bad E. ALL THE ABOVE F. NONE OF THE ABOVE
When civil war comes, propagandists like Lemon will be legitimate military targets. Just like Julius Streicher was in WWII.
#2. To: Vicomte13 (#1)
#3. To: A K A Stone (#0)
(Edited)
Just like Julius Streicher was in WWII
2+2= _____ this week?
#4. To: VxH (#3)
#5. To: A K A Stone (#2)
You talk as you know what will happen. I'm hopeful but I don't have your certainty. Hopefully you are correct.
#6. To: Vicomte13 (#4)
(Edited)
Still 4.
#7. To: Vicomte13 (#5)
I expect a swift end to the Mueller probe with no accusations against the President.
#8. To: VxH (#7)
#9. To: A K A Stone (#8)
You are a Nazi like idiot asshole wiper.
#10. To: A K A Stone (#8)
Felix is a govt agent.
#11. To: VxH (#7)
Who is Felix Sater?
#12. To: Vicomte13 (#9)
#13. To: A K A Stone (#8)
#14. To: Vicomte13 (#11)
--Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
#15. To: VxH (#10)
Felix Sater
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia How A Player In The Trump-Russia Scandal Led A Double Life As An American Spy
BuzzFeed News Reporter
BuzzFeed News Reporter New York court dismisses $250 million tax fraud case against Russia-born former Trump associate
Business Insider
Sep. 28, 2017, 6:30 AM Chabad, also known as Lubavitch, Habad and Chabad-Lubavitch, is an Orthodox Jewish, Hasidic movement. Chabad is today one of the world's best known Hasidic movements and is well known for its outreach. It is one of the largest Hasidic groups and Jewish religious organizations in the world.
#16. To: nolu chan (#15)
--Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
A: The Pharaoh's Treasurer
B: A Levite
C: The Organized Criminal instigator of the rebellion against Moses
D: Associated with "fallen angels"
E: A Gold Bug.
F: ALL OF THE ABOVE
#17. To: VxH (#16)
(Edited)
You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic
#18. To: A K A Stone (#17)
(Edited)
You would have served Hitler if you were German and lived in that time period.
#19. To: A K A Stone (#17)
#20. To: VxH (#19)
#21. To: A K A Stone (#20)
(Edited)
#22. To: A K A Stone (#20)
#23. To: A K A Stone (#0)
legitimate military targets.
How's that workin' for the (((Russians))) and "our boy"?
#24. To: VxH (#14)
You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians.
#25. To: Vicomte13 (#24)
(Edited)
that Bolsheviks have not ruled Russia since 1991
#26. To: Vicomte13 (#24)
#27. To: VxH (#25)
#28. To: A K A Stone (#26)
#29. To: Vicomte13 (#28)
#30. To: Vicomte13 (#27)
Go ahead and publish it.
#31. To: A K A Stone (#29)
No subject to the jurisdiction. Means you you subjects ot US law or a foreign law. The drafters of the law made that clear.
#32. To: Vicomte13 (#31)
"can be tried in the courts of"
#33. To: A K A Stone (#32)
Of course anyone in the country could be arrested for committing crimes. That is a no brainer. That doesn't mean they are subjects of this jurisdiction.
#34. To: A K A Stone (#32)
(Edited)
That doesn't mean they are subjects of this jurisdiction
#35. To: A K A Stone (#0)
Author: backwoods-engineer
(Since 2008-10-18)
#36. To: A K A Stone (#0)
Lemon
#37. To: VxH (#16)
Korah was:
A: The Pharaoh's Treasurer
B: A Levite
C: The Organized Criminal instigator of the rebellion against Moses
D: Associated with "fallen angels"
E: A Gold Bug.
F: ALL OF THE ABOVE
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