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Title: Judge Orders Mueller To Prove Russian Company Meddled In Election
Source: ZeroHedge
URL Source: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018 ... ssian-company-meddled-election
Published: Oct 20, 2018
Author: Tyler Durden
Post Date: 2018-10-20 22:08:32 by nolu chan
Keywords: None
Views: 206
Comments: 18

Judge Orders Mueller To Prove Russian Company Meddled In Election

by Tyler Durden
ZeroHedge
Sat, 10/20/2018 - 14:35

A Washington federal judge on Thursday ordered special counsel Robert Mueller's team to clarify election meddling claims lodged against a Russian company operated by Yevgeny Prigozhin, an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, according to Bloomberg.

Concord Management and Consulting, LLC. - one of three businesses indicted by Mueller in February along with 13 individuals for election meddling, surprised the special counsel in April when they actually showed up in court to fight the charges. Mueller's team tried to delay Concord from entering the case, arguing that thee Russian company not been properly served, however Judge Dabney Friedrich denied the request - effectively telling prosecutors 'well, they're here.'

Concord was accused in the indictment of supporting the Internet Research Agency (IRA), a Russian 'troll farm' accused of trying to influence the 2016 US election.

On Thursday, Judge Freidrich asked Mueller's prosecutors if she should assume they aren't accusing Concord of violating US laws applicable to election expenditures and failure to register as a foreign agent.

Concord has asked Dabney to throw out the charges - claiming that Mueller's office fabricated a crime, and that there is no law against interfering in elections.

According to the judge’s request for clarification, the Justice Department has argued that it doesn’t have to show that Concord had a legal duty to report its expenditures to the Federal Election Commission. Rather, the allegation is that the company knowingly engaged in deceptive acts that precluded the FEC, or the Justice Department, from ascertaining whether they had broken the law. -Bloomberg

On Monday, Friedrich raised questions over whether the special counsel's office could prove a key element of their case - saying that it was "hard to see" how allegations of Russian influence were intended to interfere with US government operations vs. simply "confusing voters," reports law.com.

During a 90-minute hearing, Friedrich questioned prosecutor Jonathan Kravis about how the government would be able to show the Russian defendants were aware of the Justice Department and FEC’s functions and then deliberately sought to skirt them.

“You still have to show knowledge of the agencies and what they do. How do you do that?” Friedrich asked.

Kravis, a prosecutor in the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia, argued that the government needed only to show that Concord Management and the other defendants were generally aware that the U.S. government “regulates and monitors” foreign participation in American politics. That awareness, Kravis said, could be inferred from the Russians’ alleged creation of fake social media accounts that appeared to be run by U.S. citizens and “computer infrastructure” intended to mask the Russian origin of the influence operation.

That is deception that is directed at a higher level,” Kravis said. Kravis appeared in court with Michael Dreeben, a top Justice Department appellate lawyer on detail to the special counsel’s office. -law.com

Concord pleaded not guilty in May. Their attorney, Eric Dubelier - a partner at Reed Smith, has described the election meddling charges as "make believe," arguing on Monday that Mueller's indictment against Concord "doesn't charge a crime."

"There is no statute of interfering with an election. There just isn’t," said Dubelier, who added that Mueller's office alleged a "made-up crime to fit the facts they have."

Dubelier added that the case against Concord Management is the first in US history "where anyone has ever been charged with defrauding the Justice Department" through their failure to register under FARA.

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#1. To: nolu chan (#0)

"election meddling"

What a crock of Red herring shyte.

"Our Boy", AKA Donaldo the magnificent, is up to his flabby chins in the Chabad Mafia; and THAT is who benefits from the DOJ being gridlocked into a bipartisan cluster frack.

VxH  posted on  2018-10-21   1:35:13 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: VxH (#1)

nolu chan  posted on  2018-10-21   1:41:46 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: nolu chan (#2)

Team Drumpf's entry for NASCAR?

VxH  posted on  2018-10-21   3:22:05 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: VxH (#1)

"election meddling"

A far cry from "Russia hacked the election".

misterwhite  posted on  2018-10-21   10:14:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: VxH (#3)

nolu chan  posted on  2018-10-21   13:10:50 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: VxH (#1)

The Chabad mafia. What does that even mean? Are you an anti-Semite?

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-10-21   20:19:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Vicomte13 (#6)

The Chabad mafia. What does that even mean?

That you can resurrect rodents - but are too stupid to use Google?

https://www.google.com/search?q=Trump+Chabad+Mafia

VxH  posted on  2018-10-22   1:20:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: VxH (#7)

I cannot resurrect anything. God can do anything. He did do that, at least once. And that has nothing to do with Google.

I’m not too stupid to use Google. I’m too uninterested. I see old lunatics raving about conspiracy theories, acting as though all of us should know the details of the strange hobbyhorses they have in their minds.

In my view, if somebody is going to talk about some dark and mysterious force, the “Chabad Mafia”, then he ought to be willing to discuss what it is. No, I’m not going to go research it. I doubt it really exists as anything other than a localized something-or-other. Sounds Jewish. And because I ascribe no supernatural power or influence to Jews, I simply am not interested in spending the bandwidth to learn about your hobbyhorse. I have offered you the opportunity to explain in your own words what the Chabad Mafia is, and why I should care enough about it to go look it up. You reply by bringing up an actual miracle.

You’re doing that for two reasons: (1) To make me cringe, but it doesn’t. All you’re doing is reminding me of how lucky I am to be so much closer to God than you. God raised a rodent in my hands, but he’s let you go nuts alone in your basement seeing Joooooooos behind everything.

(2) To make anybody who reads dismiss me, and presumably to listen to you.

Trouble is, even if I were a completely delusional psychotic, I would still be more polite, rational and nice to talk to than you are. So by picking on me you’re not advancing your cause with me - you’re reminding me that I’m blessed and you’re not. And you’re not actually gaining market share with your audience either, because you just look and sound like a dick.

You’re proposed that there is a thing - obviously a Jewish thing - called the Chabad Mafia, and that it somehow controls the Scottish Presbyterian New York billionaire President Donald Trump. This seems unlikely. It sounds like the sort of Jewish conspiracy nonsense that drove the Germans berserk and caused them to burn down their own country.

If it’s not, if its something real, explain yourself. Don’t ask people who think yoiu’re a nut to go look at nutty websites. Explain it yourself.

Notice, please, that the guy for whom God raised a rodent is the ONLY ONE who actually tries to engage you on the IDEAS you present. Everybody else mocks you and curses at you. I mock you only in proportion to the degree you mock me. I would like to hear what YOU have to say, mostly because I have compassion for what I perceive to be an old man struggling with mental health, loneliness and anger issues, and going down the path of anti-Semitism because that’s the path than has been laid out already by mentally unstable, lonely angry men in the past.

By having YOU talk about the Jooooos you see behind every rock, it is my hope that you will find that it doesn’t really hold together, and that you’ll engage in more wholesome mental activity.

So, my talking to you is actually an act of kindness, on my part. I’m doing good to one who insults me, just like Jesus said to do.

Tell me about your Chabad Mafia, and why I should care about it. And where it starts to drop off into nonsense, see the crazy yourself and decide to back away from the abyss, for your own good.

And yes, God DID raise a rodent and a lizard from the dead right in my presence. I never said that I did it. I can’t raise anything from the dead. I always have recounted what happened the same way. It is a mark of the dishonesty of those who attack me with it that they change my oft-repeated story from God raising the dead to me doing it - something I never, ever said. If you can’t even get THAT right, why would I trust your judgment or honesty on anything else you say?

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-10-22   7:39:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Vicomte13 (#8) (Edited)

You're full of delusional shyte, as usual.

VxH  posted on  2018-10-22   11:47:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: VxH, Vicomte13, A K A Stone (#1)

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PRIOR TO THE DIVERSIONARY BULLSHIT, THIS WAS A THREAD ABOUT THE RUSSIAN MEDDLING LITIGATION WHICH HAS COLLAPSED IN COURT.

Title: Judge Orders Mueller To Prove Russian Company Meddled In Election
Source: ZeroHedge
URL Source: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-20/judge-orders-mueller-prove-russian-company-meddled-election
Published: Oct 20, 2018
Author: Tyler Durden

As for the NPC diversionary bullshit....

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chabad

CHABAD

Chabad, also known as Lubavitch, Habad and Chabad-Lubavitch, is an Orthodox Jewish, Hasidic movement. Chabad is today one of the world's best known Hasidic movements and is well known for its outreach. It is one of the largest Hasidic groups and Jewish religious organizations in the world.

Founded in 1775 by Rabbi Schneur Zalman of Liadi, the name "Chabad" is a Hebrew acronym for Chochmah, Binah, Da'at: "Wisdom, Understanding, and Knowledge", which represent the intellectual underpinnings of the movement.The name Lubavitch is the Yiddish name of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth village Lubowicze (Lyubavichi) now in Russia, where the movement’s leaders lived for over 100 years.

In the 1930s, the sixth Rebbe of Chabad, Rabbi Yosef Yitzchak Schneersohn, moved the center of the Chabad movement from Russia to Poland. After the outbreak of World War Two, the sixth Rebbe moved the center of the movement to the United States.

In 1951, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson became the seventh Chabad Rebbe. The seventh Rebbe transformed the movement into one of the largest and most widespread Jewish movements in the world today. Under Rabbi Menachem Mendel's leadership, the movement established a network of more than 3,600 institutions that provide religious, social and humanitarian needs in over 1,000 cities, spanning 100 countries[9] and all 50 American states. Chabad institutions provide outreach to unaffiliated Jews and humanitarian aid, as well as religious, cultural and educational activities at Chabad-run community centers, synagogues, schools, camps, and soup kitchens.

The movement is thought to number between 40,000 and 200,000 adherents. In 2005 the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs reported that up to one million Jews attend Chabad services at least once a year. In 2013, Chabad forecast that their Chanukah activities would reach up to 8,000,000 Jews in 80 countries worldwide.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Sater

Felix Sater
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Felix Henry Sater (born Felix Mikhailovich Sheferovsky; March 2, 1966) is an American former mobster, real estate developer and former managing director of Bayrock Group LLC, a real estate conglomerate based out of New York City. Sater has been an advisor to many corporations, including The Trump Organization, Rixos Hotels and Resorts, Sembol Construction, Potok (formerly the Mirax Group), and TxOil.

In 1998, Sater pleaded guilty to his involvement in a $40 million stock fraud scheme orchestrated by the Russian Mafia, and became an informant for the Federal Bureau of Investigation and federal prosecutors, assisting with organized crime investigations. In 2017, Sater agreed to cooperate with investigators into international money laundering schemes.

Early life and family

Sater was born in Moscow into a Russian Jewish family, the son of Mikhail Sheferovsky and Rachel Sheferovskaya. He has a sister, Regina. The family emigrated to Israel when Felix was 8 years old to avoid religious persecution in the Soviet Union, and eventually came to the United States, living in Baltimore, Maryland before settling in Brighton Beach, New York in 1974. Felix and his sister adopted the surname Sater. Mikhail Sheferovsky (also known as Michael Sheferofsky) states that the family name was Saterov at some point. According to the FBI, Mikhail Sheferovsky was an underboss for Russian Mafia "boss of bosses" Semion Mogilevich and convicted of extorting money from local restaurants, grocery stores, and a medical clinic.

Felix Sater is reportedly a childhood friend of Michael Cohen.

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Personal life

Sater resides in Port Washington, New York. He has three daughters. Felix Sater is an active member of the Chabad of Port Washington and was named their Man of the Year in 2010 and 2014.

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https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/anthonycormier/felix-sater-trump-russia-undercover-us-spy

How A Player In The Trump-Russia Scandal Led A Double Life As An American Spy

Felix Sater has been cast as a Russian mafioso, a career criminal, and a key business associate of President Donald Trump's — but he spent more than two decades as an intelligence asset who helped the US government track terrorists and mobsters. “Greed is my go-to weapon.”

Anthony Cormier
BuzzFeed News Reporter

Jason Leopold
BuzzFeed News Reporter

Posted on March 12, 2018, at 11:56 a.m. ET

In the sprawling Trump-Russia investigation, one name constantly pops up: Felix Sater. In story after story, Sater is described as Donald Trump’s former business partner, a convicted stock swindler who was born in the Soviet Union, worked in Russia, tried to win Trump a deal in Moscow, and even helped broker a Ukrainian peace plan that Vladimir Putin would have loved.

Basically, he’s portrayed as something just short of a Russian spy.

Effectively, he has been a spy — but for the United States. For the first time, BuzzFeed News has verified the surprising sweep of Sater’s undercover work and many of his specific exploits. He worked as an asset for the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency (or DIA) and tracked Osama bin Laden. Then he worked for more than a decade for the FBI, providing intel on everything from the mob to North Korea’s drive for nuclear weapons. He still operates as a source for the bureau, according to two current FBI agents.

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“At the direction of the FBI,” the Department of Justice stated in a newly unsealed court filing, Sater traveled to the Middle East after 9/11 to collect “valuable intelligence” on “key leaders in al Qaeda,” and he helped “in a number of other areas, including Russian organized crime.” In other court filings, the Justice Department said Sater’s work on behalf of the United States “involves 18 foreign governments” as well as “various families of La Cosa Nostra,” and that his help was “of an extraordinary depth and breadth.”

Specific exploits confirmed by BuzzFeed News include:

  • He obtained five of the personal satellite telephone numbers for Osama bin Laden before 9/11 and he helped flip the personal secretary to Mullah Omar, then the head of the Taliban and an ally of bin Laden, into a source who provided the location of al-Qaeda training camps and weapons caches.

  • In 2004, he persuaded a source in Russia’s foreign military intelligence to hand over the name and photographs of a North Korean military operative who was purchasing equipment to build the country’s nuclear arsenal.

  • Sater provided US intelligence with details about possible assassination threats against former president George W. Bush and secretary of state Colin Powell. Sater reported that jihadists were hiding in a hut outside Bagram Air Base and planned to shoot down Powell’s plane during a January 2002 visit. He later told his handlers that two female al-Qaeda members were trying to recruit an Afghan woman working in the Senate barbershop to poison President Bush or Vice President Dick Cheney.

  • He went undercover in Cyprus and Istanbul to catch Russian and Ukrainian cybercriminals around 2005. After the FBI set him up with a fake name and background, Sater posed as a money launderer to help nab the suspects for washing funds stolen from US financial institutions.

The CIA, DIA, FBI, and leaders of the House Intelligence Committee all declined to comment.

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https://www.businessinsider.com/felix-sater-tax-fraud-case-trump-russia-2017-9

New York court dismisses $250 million tax fraud case against Russia-born former Trump associate

Natasha Bertrand
Business Insider
Sep. 28, 2017, 6:30 AM

A Manhattan court dismissed a $250 million civil tax fraud case against Russian-American businessman Felix Sater on Wednesday, Business Insider has learned.

The civil tax-fraud case against Sater, a former associate of President Donald Trump, and the real-estate company he cofounded, Bayrock, was being prosecuted as a qui tam case, which allows a whistleblower to file on the state's behalf. The attorney general's office can then choose to intervene or not.

The purported whistleblower in this case was a lawyer named Fred Oberlander, who at one point represented Sater's former business partner Jody Kriss in a money-laundering suit against Bayrock.

Oberlander acknowledged Wednesday that he had filed his qui tam complaint based on information that had been stricken by federal judges from Kriss' original complaint, an attorney who attended the hearing on Wednesday told Business Insider.

The attorney said "the argument did not go well for Oberlander, and it seemed likely that the complaint would be dismissed based on Oberlander's use of information that the federal judges had previously ordered removed from the federal complaint as confidential."

Sater and his lawyer, Robert Wolf, confirmed afterward that the case had been dismissed.

Attorney General Eric Schneiderman's office declined to intervene in the case last year. He sent a letter in February 2016 notifying the New York Supreme Court of a "misleading" press release Oberlander had issued claiming that Schneiderman had green-lighted the case, "when in fact the State had expressly declined to intervene," Schneiderman wrote.

The attorney general's office said it would continue to monitor the case going forward to protect the state's rights and interest.

Wolf, Sater's lawyer, said the case was dismissed "on the merits," rather than on procedural grounds. He noted that Oberlander and another lawyer involved in the case against Sater, Richard Lerner, have twice been referred to the DOJ for criminal contempt "regarding their misconduct" in the proceedings against Sater.

Lerner told a reporter he plans to appeal the decision to toss the qui tam case.

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nolu chan  posted on  2018-10-22   14:54:55 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: nolu chan (#10)

Ah, an affiliation with the Lubavitchers. Ok. Those folks are quite the fanatics.

There is a lot of intricacy to the case. So, what is it that VxH wants me to believe? That because some prominent wealthy New York guy committed tax fraud (allegedly), that therefore Trump is in league with Israel (which is baaaad because...?)

Behind every great fortune is a great crime. We all know that. So what? Off with their heads? Sieg Heil? What?

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-10-22   19:05:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Vicomte13 (#11)

Ah, an affiliation with the Lubavitchers. Ok. Those folks are quite the fanatics.

There is a lot of intricacy to the case. So, what is it that VxH wants me to believe?

VxH wants to redirect the thread away from the collapse of the Russian meddling legal case where a defendant actually and very unexpectedly showed up and proceeded to kick the unprepared special counsel's butt.

Another topic to be distracted from is the mid-term election and, more specifically, the blue wave we were hearing all about not so long ago.

He does not care what you believe. He wants you to engage in an irrelevant debate about some ridiculously diversionary nonsense. If the Joo mafia will get that job done for him, you may chase your tail about his Joos, Lubavichers, chabod, and Felix Sater.

That because some prominent wealthy New York guy committed tax fraud (allegedly), that therefore Trump is in league with Israel (which is baaaad because...?)

He failed to note that Sater committed fraud 20 years ago and was then flipped to work undercover for alphabet city, such as the FBI and the CIA for the past 20 years.

Behind every great fortune is a great crime. We all know that. So what? Off with their heads? Sieg Heil? What?

While Sater was involved in fraud 20 years ago, he has since become an American intel asset.

On another thread ---

https://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=57490&Disp=15#C15

#15. To: nolu chan (#13)

Those who control the past control the future (((those))) who control the present control the past.

Who was Alfred Rosenberg - and how does he fit into the "UNPRECEDENTED" bullshyte narrative that's been fed to the sheeple for 100+ years?

VxH posted on 2018-10-20 10:15:44 ET

Same shit, different irrelevant diversion.

I dismissively replied with an equally irrelevant cartoon. If he wanted to tell me something about some Jewish guy born in Estonia when it was Russian, and who went on to become part of the German propaganda effort, and got himself hanged for his trouble, he could just tell me. It is just a tactic these NPCs use to hand out homework, and have their target chase his tail for their enjoyment.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-10-23   14:41:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: nolu chan (#12)

It is just a tactic these NPCs use to hand out homework

What's an NPC?

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-10-23   17:31:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Vicomte13 (#13)

What's an NPC?

Sorry about that.

Going back over twenty years, NPC actually stands for Non-Player Character and derives from computer role playuing games (RPGs) where the actual player interacts with NPCs generated by the game program. NPCs use artificial intelligence and/or a script to communicate with the player.

4chan popularized a meme based on the Non-Player Character to ridicule the hive mind group think of the liberal drive-by media which appears to read scripted talking points from the same teleprompter.

The dastardly 4chan rebels opened accounts with names such as NPC-18 or NPC-37.

The meme characters feature generic faces. They rather savagely satirize the liberal talking points of the day which are blasted word for word by the various MSM talking heads and party hacks, and then echoed about the internet.

In short, NPC has become a nerd's derogatory term for those who mindlessly present or echo the talking points of the day. It infers these bots exhibit the intellect of an NPC.

From Rush Limbaugh today:

Anyway, greetings, folks. Great to have you. We have for the first time… Well, it’s tough to say first time. We have an official… There is no bones about it, no mistake about it. We have an official, complete and total alignment among the Drive-By Media. Now going into the last two weeks before the midterm elections, the mainstream media is completely aligned, they are completely in sync, they are totally coordinated.

It doesn’t matter where you go in the Drive-By Media today, you are going to see everything under a subject heading or an umbrella: “Trump Spreads Lies and Stokes Fears Ahead of Election.” That graphic has been on CNN 95% of the time today. So much so, I took a picture of it here to make sure that I would remember it verbatim. “Trump Spreads Lies and Stokes Fears Ahead of Election.” Washington Post headline: “Trump and Republicans Settle on Fear and Falsehoods as a Midterm Strategy.”

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nolu chan  posted on  2018-10-23   19:04:35 ET  (3 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: nolu chan, vicomte13, lizard king (#12)

VxH wants to redirect the thread away from the collapse of the Russian meddling legal case

(D)rumpf isn't colluding with Russians. He's colluding with the Synagogue of Satan and the "Jewish" mafia.

Putin knows exactly what they are.

So did Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn:

"You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the "Russian Revolution." It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be understated. Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators."
--Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

VxH  posted on  2018-10-25   10:50:00 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: VxH (#15)

(D)rumpf isn't colluding with Russians. He's colluding with the Synagogue of Satan and the "Jewish" mafia.

Of course, the great, the magnificent President Donald J. Trymp is colluding with the Synagogue of Satan and the "Jewish" mafia.

The evidence you present is overwhelming and I can't believe how the entire world missed it.

Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time.

And I thought is was the Black Death, perpetrated by fleas.

What does this mean? The Walking Dead? Zombie Apocalypse? A rally featuring the great, the magnificent President Donald J. Trump?

nolu chan  posted on  2018-10-25   14:15:56 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: VxH, lizard king (#15)

lizard king

Excerpt from David Icke's book "The Biggest Secret"

Then there are the experiences of Cathy O'Brien, the mind controlled slave of the United States government for more than 25 years, which she details in her astonishing book, "Trance Formation Of America", written with Mark Phillips. She was sexually abused as a child and as an adult by a stream of famous people named in her book. Among them were the US Presidents, Gerald Ford, Bill Clinton and, most appallingly, George Bush, a major player in the Brotherhood, as my books and others have long exposed. It was Bush, a paedophile and serial killer, who regularly abused and raped Cathy's daughter, Kelly O'Brien, as a toddler before her mother's courageous exposure of these staggering events forced the authorities to remove Kelly from the mind control programme known as Project Monarch. Cathy writes in "Trance Formation Of America" of how George Bush was sitting in front of her in his office in Washington DC when, he opened a book at a page depicting lizard-like aliens from a far off, deep space place. Bush then claimed to be an 'alien' himself and appeared, before her eyes, to transform 'like a chameleon' into a reptile. Cathy believed that some kind of hologram had been activated to achieve this and from her understanding at the time I can see why she rationalized her experience in this way. Anyone would, because the truth is too fantastic to comprehend until you see the build up of evidence. There's no doubt that alien based mind programmes are part of these mind control projects and that the whole UFO/extraterrestrial scene is being massively manipulated, not least through Hollywood films designed to mold public thinking. Cathy says in her book that George Lucas, the producer of Star Wars, is an operative with NASA and the National Security Agency, the 'parent' body of the CIA. But given the evidence presented by so many other people, I don't believe that what Bush said and Cathy saw was just a mind control programme. I think he was revealing the Biggest Secret, that a reptilian race from another dimension has been controlling the planet for thousands of years. I know other people who have seen Bush shape-shift into a reptilian.

You are definitely on to some there. The evidence is overwhelming.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-10-25   14:18:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: nolu chan (#17)

Disinformation was much more entertaining when it was mixed in with UFO's, the Bermuda Triangle, and Ancient Eqyptian space aliens.

Got any footage of Elvis having lunch with Bigfoot on the way to planet Xenu?

VxH  posted on  2018-10-27   18:15:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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