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Title: What Can Be Done When They Come for the Guns?
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URL Source: http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-ne ... hey-come-for-the-guns_10082018
Published: Oct 8, 2018
Author: Jeremiah Johnson
Post Date: 2018-10-09 11:22:00 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 3800
Comments: 33
One of the bad things about writing an article such as this one is that no matter what position it takes, it is attacked by an army of naysayers and protesters. This may seem innocuous, but it is not. In reality, it detracts from attempting to make a productive point of discussion. Their objective is to foster argument and conflict. Some are paid trolls and shills, and others genuinely feel the need to stand up and be heard…even if just to argue a point…whether that point has merit or not. Akin to Colin Kaepernick, protesting years after he lost in the Super Bowl to the Ravens and not during…after he was cut from the team…protesting an “injustice” that never existed. But they never include their E-mail addresses or identities, perhaps because their vitriolic comments may be interpreted by the authorities as threats that warrant charges. In the end, they won’t be around to help you when you need it. You’ll need to think on your feet. Nothing that I’ve written for you has ever been to harm you or to not provide you with either information or “food for thought,” and I’m not about to reverse my position. We are at a juncture that most people do not recognize…on the precipice of tyranny. This piece is going to give you information that you can act on or choose not to act on. In the end, it is your decision and you’re on your own with it. What to do when they come for the guns. In truth, there are many things you can do about it. I’ll put out some information, but I’m not telling you what to do, nor advocating doing it. This last one you would have to be especially careful with. The detection devices the State will use are not to be taken lightly. I’m giving you these ideas for starters. There are more, but I’m not going to give you what I would do. Understand what you’re dealing with. I write articles such as this one. If you think they don’t notice this, you better think again. They also notice that you read these articles. They know (and have recorded) all your e-mails, comments, and key strokes. This is the age where you must take extreme precautions, because what is coming down the pike will not be good. Food for thought with this article. Take the information and ideas, formulate your own plans, and run with the ball when you feel it’s the time. Jeremiah Johnson is the Nom de plume of a retired Green Beret of the United States Army Special Forces (Airborne). Mr. Johnson is also a Gunsmith, a Certified Master Herbalist, a Montana Master Food Preserver, and a graduate of the U.S. Army’s SERE school (Survival Evasion Resistance Escape). He lives in a cabin in the mountains of Western Montana with his wife and three cats. You can follow Jeremiah’s regular writings at SHTFplan.com or contact him here. This article may be republished or excerpted with proper attribution to the author and a link to www.SHTFplan.com.
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#1. To: Deckard (#0)
What is the satisfaction and personal reward you get from purposely and needlessly trying to arouse public fear about an issue? Why do you continually try to scaremonger as you repeatedly spread such ridiculously exaggerated rumors of some fictious impending danger?
You're a government-worshiping, brainwashed sheeple. Hey, didn't you vote for this guy? Trump: "Take the guns first, go through due process second"
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. Tater is a clear and present danger, be prepared.
You bet your “cotton picking ass” that I am definitely a “clear and present danger” to every asshole Paultard libertarian as I continue to condemn them for having such a preposterous fantasy. So preposterous that one can only wonder how alleged intelligent adults can seriously entertain it. Ah, but the power of the human mind to rationalize things is truly awesome in their mythical world. Your warning is futile for there is absolutely no way to “be prepared” from my attacks with more “truth bombs” released than could ever be imagined.
You're a government-worshiping, brainwashed sheeple. You are one sick asshole who continually spreads your ideology of fear through propaganda articles you mainly parrot that are collected from The Free Thought Project along with other yellow journalism sources and the likes thereof in your effort to fulfill a concealed agenda. The difference between you and a terrorist is that you fight with false information and not direct violence. You may be surprised to learn this is no new idea since SCOTUS has repeatedly authorized depriving persons of liberty or property without first according them a full trial-type due process proceeding – which comes later. This according to law professor John Banzhaf, who teaches many of these fundamental Supreme Court due process cases. While the Constitution provides “nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law,” there Have been numerous situations where the deprivation did take place long before there is time for a full evidentiary hearing in court known a “due process hearing”. The “take the guns first, go through due process second" action is most common, and not surprising that one this is most closely analogous to the seizure of weapons to which Trump mentioned. For example: It does occur when there are ANY REASONABLE GROUNDS to believe that a law enforcement official is not fit to continue patrolling with a firearm. . SCOTUS has UPHELD the “take-first and due-process evidentiary hearing later” procedure, even in cases where the risks of not acting promptly do not involve public health or safety. Hey, you are damned well right. I most certainly did vote for Donald Trump and I continue to be proud of doint that with each passing day as Trump continues his actions to “Make America Great Again”. God Bless Donald Trump !!!
Oh wait, now I remember you. Aren't you the clown who believes that Americans have no right to defend themselves against government tyranny? Look asshole - the plan all along is to DISARM American citizens. Your ignorance does not negate that fact.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. RESIST! https://rotunda.upress.virginia.edu/founders/default.xqy?keys=FOEA-print-04-02-02-4598 This was a documented early and insidious intrusion into the right to keep and bear arms. They have been coming for our guns ever since. Meeting Minutes of University of Virginia Board of Visitors, 4 Oct. 1824 [excerpt] [...] Substitutes in the form of arms shall be provided by the Proctor, at the expence of the University; they shall be distinguished by numbers, delivered out, recieved in and deposited under the care and responsibility of the Instructor, in a proper depository to be furnished him; and all injuries to them by a student shall be repaired at the expence of such Student. This was approved by the board. The board included Thomas Jefferson, drafter of the Declaration of Independence, and James Madison, drafter of the Second Amendment.
That's like asking, "What Can Be Done When Your Daughter Says She's Pregnant? The time to deal with those issues is waaaay before they happen with the intent of preventing them.
Whether it's occasional forgetfulness or loss of short-term memory that is now so obviously interfering with your daily life, there are many causes of memory loss. To what do you attribute your poor memory problem? Is it medications, alcohol or drug use? I strongly suspect the latter based on your posting history and how you constantly promote the use of drugs. And “there you go again” using your inflammatory rhetoric….”government tyranny.” What do you mean “tyranny?” I look at the historical definition of tyranny and see that it referres to a ruler (“tyrant”) who is not legitimate, according to the law or tradition of the country. In simple words, he did not properly come into the line of rule but as in the inheritance, like kings. Defend “themselves against government tyranny?” Why worry about defending against government tyranny when the absolute best way to avoid tyranny is to implement a governmental system of checks and balances. The United States did that a long time ago. The Founding Fathers brilliantly saw to that task when they established our system of government in which each branch keeps a check on the other branches with no one branch controlling too much power. You do agree, don’t you? If you avoid tyranny, which our system of government was designed to do and effectively does, then there is no use to needlessly concern yourself worrying about defending against tyranny? Est-ce pas vrai?
Look asshole - the plan all along is to DISARM American citizens. Show “the plan” of which you speak and anticipate the usage thereof. Can you? Left Wing Loon President Trump advocates Chairman Mao's position on firearms ownership. He says that there will be a ban on bump stocks in a couple of weeks, and he's also pushing Stop and Frisk. All of these are violations of the 2nd amendment, with some 4th amendment violations thrown in for good measure. He's very dedicated to the David Hogg/Dianne Feinstein agenda.
This point has been discussed and dismissed. Nothing here. Move along ...
In your effort to demonize President Trump and feel you are attempting in some way to prevent him from taking weapons out of the hands off the people when he is doing no such thing, you have now through your blatant stupidity ignorantly joined the zealots who fabricate malicious claims to attack President Trump. One of the false assertions is the repeated claim that “they” are coming to take your guns away like the commie Chairman Mao did. This is perhaps the most repeated fear statement and thusly links gun control to communism for a paranoidal association. This association is done so it will appear that anyone who supports gun control is portrayed as being a communist. The automatic association you have made here between Trump and communism is just plain dishonest and thoroughly exposes your ignorant and scheming ways. Shame on you….shame on you! Go make a check and get back to me if you find on any website that deals in Chinese law, a law that prohibited anyone from having any guns during the revolutionary period in China. I contend there is literally no law during the revolutionary period that prohibited anyone from having any guns and furthermore, there is absolutely no source for claiming that the Party took people’s guns away. I challenge you to prove me wrong. In your search for the truth you will find that during the revolutionary time the people in China were armed. They carried their guns to work, carried them into the fields and carried them everywhere. No, Mao didn’t ban people from having guns. Mao’s government officials were the ones that gave guns out to people in order to arm their “People’s Army."
You need to stay on topic.
That’s BULLSHIT and you damn well know that it is. Stop making up lies!!!
Quit making up lies attempting to defend Mao & Donnell.
Now you need to show any evidence Chairman Mao restricted or confiscated guns. Can you? You made the association. Now you need to show any evidence Chairman Mao restricted or confiscated guns. Can you?
Hey, fuckstain, tell me, the last 4 presidential candidates you voted for... what have they done to protect my 2nd amendment rights? Nothing you say? That’s what I thought. Shut your cream catcher.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
THE MEME YOU POSTED: So, I’m here to tell your deceiving and lying ass that Mao never said: “You register and ban the firearms before the slaughter.” You need to stop putting out false bullshit and trying to pass off a lie as a factually true historical quotation just to promote your sick agenda. You are just like Deckard, another sick POS who will blindly believe anything you find on the Internet, especially if it feeds your confirmation bias. Mao never wanted gun control. Mao never wanted to take the guns from laboring class or keep the guns out of their hands. YOUR MEME IS PURE BULLSHIT – IT IS A LIE AND SHOULD BE TAKEN DOWN. I will now present the 1938 paragraph below that contains the CORRECT phrase; the central phrase (in bold), cited as deriving from the 1938 speech via the Selected Works, is thr EXACT wording given in Mao's Quotations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_power_grows_out_of_the_barrel_of_a_ g un.
Wow - defending Mao huh? WTF are you doing on this site commie? China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. It matters greatly that you continue to post LIES and I say that it’s time for Stone to bridle your lies and reign you in from continuing to post them. To this end, I am now calling on Stone to immediately delete your posts #15 and #19 that contain unproven accusations….in other words, multiple lies. I challenged you on the Mao quote lie by showing you where the quote you posted was a lie when I reproduced the entire paragraph containing the correct remark Mao made in 1938. But that did not phase you and now “here you come again” when you continue to post the SAME lie in post #19 showing that something happened with Mao and you are unable to verify it happened. It is bad enough when you post a lie where you tried to show that in 1938 Mao Ta Sung said “you register and ban the firearms before the slaughter” and you cannot show a source for that quote. But it is far worse that you are posted a FLAT OUT LIE about President Donald Trump and I am here to say that you have gone TOO far with your constant lying. You have now passed being repulsive when you lied with an accusation where you stated that “Left Wing Loon President Trump advocates Chairman Mao's position on firearms ownership” thereby accusing President Trump of contemplating a Mao position and action that Mao NEVER stated or held. STOP with the damned LIES, hondo !!!
Yet you want to continue to post your commie propaganda and declare your love for Chairman Mao.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. I’ll kick your stupid ass later.
Yet you want to continue to post your commie propaganda and declare your love for Chairman Mao. I want no such thing. I want to continue attacking and debunking lies. And that is what I damned well will do. Understand?
Everyone here knows Hondo is a liar. He isn't truthful. He exxagerates and stretches and outright lies. Maybe I should just ban him and Fred Mertz. They don't add a whole lot here. Fred just whines and creis like a snowflake. Hondo makes stuff up like a little kid. We know who he is.
And I can also say I feel the ban action would add stature to your forum. I really don’t know how you have tolerated them for so long. Anyway, I have no problem with Fred since he placed me on bozo and I no longer read his posts. And I am just about to the point of completely ignoring hondo. In fact, I am probably already there. Edit - Whatever you may decide to do, please leave Deckard alone. Deckard continues to provide a platform for some great entertainment. His irrational musings would be dearly missed by all.
They are squatters... nothing more.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I like Deckard. I like to argue with him too.
Real tough guy, aren't you commie?
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. Nope. I'm just a truthfully straight forward ole country boy who will challenge any and all lies. Don't you ever forget that !!!
America beat China by one year to establish gun control when the first major federal fun control law passed in the 20th century was the National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934. The National Firearms Act was passed after Prohibition-era gangsterism peaked with the Saint Valentine's Day massacre of 1929. "Gun control" isn't synonymous with “gun confiscation” libertarian asshole. The subject hondo and I were discussing was “gun confiscation” and never “gun control.” But since you stuck your nose in, I ask you to now show me where Mao said: “You register and ban the firearms before the slaughter.”
The lies just never stop from Chairman Mao's Canary, tater tot. I was discussing Gun Control/Confiscation, and Gatlin was mostly off topic with pro-Mao/Trump commie propaganda, shuck 'n jive about gun control not being confiscation, and Donnell & Mao are real cool cats. So called "gun control" tyranny is accompanied by and enforced with jail, confiscations, 4th amendment illegal search and seizure (theft), blacklists including prohibition against voting for a representative government (permanent "felon"). At this point, one is a tax slave, a second class peon/serf. Does the phrase "Taxation without Representation" sound familiar? Gun Control = Gun Confiscation
Yes it is. That is obvious, and elementary knowledge to any one with a bit of common sense, and even a minimal amount of historical knowledge!!! However, those that are not as smart as they think they are, will fail to understand !!!
Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers) "No one ever rescues an old dog. They lay in a cage until they die. PLEASE save one. None of us wants to die cold and alone... --Dennis Olson " AMERICA! Designed by geniuses. Now run by idiots.
#2. To: Gatlin (#1)
...ridiculously exaggerated rumors of some fictious impending danger?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#3. To: Gatlin, Songbird Tater, squeeler rat fink (#1)
#4. To: hondo68 (#3)
Tater is a clear and present danger …
… be prepared.
#5. To: Deckard (#2)
..ridiculously exaggerated rumors of some fictious impending danger?
Trump: "Take the guns first, go through due process second"
Hey, didn't you vote for this guy?
#6. To: Gatlin (#4)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#7. To: Deckard (#0)
What Can Be Done When They Come for the Guns?
No Student shall, within the precincts of the University, introduce, keep or use any spirituous or vinous liquors, keep or use weapons or arms of any kind, or gunpowder, keep a servant, horse or dog, appear in school with a stick, or any weapon, nor, while in school, be covered without permission of the Professor, nor use tobacco by smoking or chewing, on pain of any of the minor punishments at the discretion of the Faculty, or of the board of Censors, approved by the Faculty.
#8. To: Deckard (#0)
What Can Be Done When They Come for the Guns?
#9. To: Deckard (#6)
Oh wait, now I remember you.
You obviously don’t. Aren't you the clown who believes that Americans have no right to defend themselves against government tyranny?
Nope! Look asshole - the plan all along is to DISARM American citizens.
Show “the plan” of which you speak and anticipate the usage thereof. Can you? Your ignorance does not negate that fact.
Your lonely sole assertion does not validate the drastic and incomprehensible radical action you allege.
#10. To: Gatlin, Take the Guns First, NYC Left Wing Loon, Trump, tyrannical scofflaw, *Bang List* (#9)
(Edited)
#11. To: hondo68 (#10)
(Edited)
... the plan all along is to DISARM American citizens.
#12. To: hondo68 (#10)
(Edited)
Left Wing Loon President Trump advocates Chairman Mao's position on firearms ownership.
#13. To: hondo68 (#10)
He [Trump] says that there will be a ban on bump stocks in a couple of weeks, and he's also pushing Stop and Frisk. All of these are violations of the 2nd amendment, with some 4th amendment violations thrown in for good measure.
We are discussing “coming for your guns” which is the topic of this thread, not bump stocks or stop and frisk.
#14. To: hondo68 (#10)
(Edited)
He's [Trump is] very dedicated to the David Hogg/Dianne Feinstein agenda.
#15. To: Gatlin, Peers Morgan Tater (#12)
#16. To: hondo68 (#15)
You made the association.
#17. To: Deckard (#2)
Trump: "Take the guns first, go through due process second"
#18. To: hondo68, A K A Stone (#15)
(Edited)
“All political power comes from the barrel of the gun: You register and ban the firearms before the slaughter.” Mao Tae Sung 1938
Mao definitely said the first part, but nowhere is there anything to show he ever said "you register and ban the firearms before the slaughter." Mao wanted the laboring people to awaken to the importance of having guns in their own hands. He said that by having guns, they can create Party organizations. He continued by saying that tjey can also create cadres, create schools, create culture, create mass movements and everything in Yenan has been created by having guns. He continued saying that all things grow out of the barrel of a gun. Mao then concludes by saying that experience in the class struggle in the era of imperialism teaches them that it is only by the power of the gun that the working class and the laboring masses can defeat the armed bourgeoisie and landlords; in this sense we may say that only with guns can the whole world be transformed.
You have been reading the words of a man who wanted guns in the hands of the working class and the laboring masses. Communists do not fight for personal military power (they must in no circumstances do that, and let no one ever again follow the example of Chang Kuo- tao), but they must fight for military power for the Party, for military power for the people. As a national war of resistance is going on, we must also fight for military power for the nation. Where there is naivete on the question of military power, nothing whatsoever can be achieved. It is very difficult for the labouring people, who have been deceived and intimidated by the reactionary ruling classes for thousands of years, to awaken to the importance of having guns in their own hands. Now that Japanese imperialist oppression and the nation-wide resistance to it have pushed our labouring people into the arena of war, Communists should prove themselves the most politically conscious leaders in this war. Every Communist must grasp the truth, "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party. Yet, having guns, we can create Party organizations, as witness the powerful Party organizations which the Eighth Route Army has created in northern China. We can also create cadres, create schools, create culture, create mass movements. Everything in Yenan has been created by having guns. All things grow out of the barrel of a gun. According to the Marxist theory of the state, the army is the chief component of state power. Whoever wants to seize and retain state power must have a strong army. Some people ridicule us as advocates of the "omnipotence of war". Yes, we are advocates of the omnipotence of revolutionary war; that is good, not bad, it is Marxist. The guns of the Russian Communist Party created socialism. We shall create a democratic republic. Experience in the class struggle in the era of imperialism teaches us that it is only by the power of the gun that the working class and the labouring masses can defeat the armed bourgeoisie and landlords; in this sense we may say that only with guns can the whole world be transformed. We are advocates of the abolition of war, we do not want war; but war can only be abolished through war, and in order to get rid of the gun it is necessary to take up the gun.
#19. To: Gatlin, Butthurt liberal (#18)
#20. To: Gatlin, hondo68 (#18)
Mao never wanted to take the guns from laboring class or keep the guns out of their hands.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#21. To: hondo68 (#19)
Who took the guns?
It matters not WHO took the guns.
#22. To: Gatlin, hondo68 (#21)
I am now calling on Stone to immediately delete your posts #15 and #19
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#23. To: Deckard, hondo68, A K A Stone (#20)
(Edited)
WTF are you doing on this site ...
Right now I am on this site in the process of trying to get hondo’s lies deleted and especially his lie about President Trump, you brain damaged piece of shit libertarian doper.
#24. To: Deckard, hondo68, A K A Stone (#22)
I am now calling on Stone to immediately delete your posts #15 and #19.
#25. To: Gatlin (#23)
Right now I am on this site in the process of trying to get hondo’s lies deleted and especially his lie about President Trump,
#26. To: A K A Stone (#25)
(Edited)
Maybe I should just ban him and Fred Mertz. They don't add a whole lot here.
I would never advocate they be banned, but I will say they definitely add nothing to your forum.
#27. To: Gatlin (#26)
Fred’s Ass Hurtz & Hondope
#28. To: Gatlin (#26)
#29. To: Gatlin (#23)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#30. To: Deckard (#29)
(Edited)
Real tough guy, aren't you ...
#31. To: Deckard (#20)
China established gun control in 1935.
No shit?
#32. To: Gatlin, Trump, stop and frisk, take the guns first, ban bump stocks, *Bill of Rights-Constitution* (#31)
(Edited)
The subject hondo and I were discussing was “gun confiscation” and never “gun control.”
#33. To: hondo68 (#32)
" Gun Control = Gun Confiscation "
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