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Title: GOP lawmaker: Second Kavanaugh accuser refusing to talk to Congress
Source: Washington Examiner
URL Source: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ ... r-refusing-to-talk-to-congress
Published: Sep 25, 2018
Author: Susan Ferrechio
Post Date: 2018-09-25 16:45:03 by nolu chan
Keywords: None
Views: 110
Comments: 5

GOP lawmaker: Second Kavanaugh accuser refusing to talk to Congress

by Susan Ferrechio
Washington Examiner
September 25, 2018 03:55 PM

Deborah Ramirez, a Yale University classmate of Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, is refusing to talk to the Senate Judiciary Committee about her accusation against Kavanaugh, a GOP lawmaker said Tuesday.

Sen. John Kennedy, R-La., who sits on the committee, said a lawyer for Ramirez told committee staff she would not speak to them about her allegation that Kavanaugh flashed his naked groin in her face during an alcohol-laden party their freshman year. Ramirez made the accusation in a blockbuster Sunday night New Yorker story.

“Our counsel repeatedly tried to reach him,” Kennedy said of Ramirez's lawyer. “They finally did reach him, and he said we are not issuing a statement. He said if you want our statement, read the New Yorker.”


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#1. To: nolu chan (#0)

I would to if I were a liar!

To legally be bound to a lie can get you arrested!! Well in a normal world!

Like I said before these lying political hacks I mean accusers need to be punished! This actually harms women who have been sexual assaulted for real!!

Justified  posted on  2018-09-25   17:04:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#2. To: nolu chan, Liberator, Vicomte13 (#0)

What a drive by shooting that was. You guys see this?

The New Yorker published new accusations on Sunday from a second woman who alleges that Judge Brett Kavanaugh acted sexually inappropriate towards her at a party during their college years.

Deborah Ramirez, 53, alleges that while she was at a Yale party, intoxicated to the point that she was on the ground in a "foggy" state "slurring" her words, Kavanaugh pulled his pants down and exposed himself to her.

The New Yorker report and a subsequent report from The New York Times both raise multiple red flags about the credibility of the allegations. Here are 10 key points compiled from both reports that raise serious questions about the claims:

1. The New Yorker could not find a single witness who could put Kavanaugh at the alleged party.

Buried more than 1,000 words into the report, Ronan Farrow and Jane Mayer wrote: The New Yorker has not confirmed with other eyewitnesses that Kavanaugh was present at the party. The magazine contacted several dozen classmates of Ramirez and Kavanaugh regarding the incident. Many did not respond to interview requests; others declined to comment, or said they did not attend or remember the party.

2. The New York Times could not find a single person who could corroborate Ramirez's claims.

The New York Times likewise could not find a single witness to backup her allegations:

The Times had interviewed several dozen people over the past week in an attempt to corroborate her story, and could find no one with firsthand knowledge. 3. The man accused of egging on Kavanaugh denied Ramirez's allegations and vouched for Kavanaugh's character.

Buried more than 1,400 words into The New Yorker story, Farrow and Mayer provide a quote from one of the men named by Ramirez:

One of the male classmates who Ramirez said egged on Kavanaugh denied any memory of the party. "I don’t think Brett would flash himself to Debbie, or anyone, for that matter," he said. Asked why he thought Ramirez was making the allegation, he responded, "I have no idea." The other male classmate who Ramirez said was involved in the incident commented, "I have zero recollection."

4. A third person that Ramirez claimed was at the party says she was not there for the alleged incident. The classmate, who was not named, said that "she was not present at the incident."

5. Ramirez contacted her former classmates, asking about the incident, and admitted she was not sure that Kavanaugh was the male who exposed himself.

The Times' report states:

Ms. Ramirez herself contacted former Yale classmates asking if they recalled the incident and told some of them that she could not be certain Mr. Kavanaugh was the one who exposed himself.

6. A woman who claims she was "best friends" with Ramirez says Ramirez never mentioned the story and initially said her friend's accusations against Kavanaugh might be "politically motivated."

Buried nearly 1,700 words into the New Yorker piece, the report states: The former friend who was married to the male classmate alleged to be involved, and who signed the statement, said of Ramirez, “This is a woman I was best friends with. We shared intimate details of our lives. And I was never told this story by her, or by anyone else. It never came up. I didn’t see it; I never heard of it happening.” She said she hadn’t spoken with Ramirez for about ten years, but that the two women had been close all through college, and Kavanaugh had remained part of what she called their “larger social circle.” In an initial conversation with The New Yorker, she suggested that Ramirez may have been politically motivated. Later, she said that she did not know if this was the case.

7. Ramirez, just like Christine Blasey Ford, is a registered Democrat and is dedicated to leftist causes.

Farrow and Mayer note more than 1,800 words into their report that "Ramirez is a registered Democrat," noting that she "works toward human rights, social justice, and social change."

8. Ramirez wasn't even sure her memory was correct — until she spent six days going over it with her Democrat lawyer.

"In her initial conversations with The New Yorker, she was reluctant to characterize Kavanaugh’s role in the alleged incident with certainty," the outlet reports. "After six days of carefully assessing her memories and consulting with her attorney, Ramirez said that she felt confident enough of her recollections to say that she remembers Kavanaugh..."

The New Yorker waits for more than 2,100 words to inform readers that Ramirez's lawyer is "Stanley Garnett, a former Democratic district attorney in Boulder..."

9. Ramirez admits there are holes in her memory due to how much she drank at the party.

"She was at first hesitant to speak publicly, partly because her memories contained gaps because she had been drinking at the time of the alleged incident," The New Yorker report states in the second paragraph. Ramirez said that at the party, where students were playing a drinking game, she "quickly became inebriated" because of the large amounts of alcohol she was consuming, adding that she became so intoxicated that she "was on the floor, foggy and slurring her words."

10. People who knew Ramirez after her time at Yale say that she never once mentioned the incident — until Kavanaugh's nomination was pending. More than 1,500 words into the article, The New Yorker report states:

In a statement, two of those male classmates who Ramirez alleged were involved in the incident, the wife of a third male student she said was involved, and three other classmates, Dino Ewing, Louisa Garry, and Dan Murphy, disputed Ramirez’s account of events: “We were the people closest to Brett Kavanaugh during his first year at Yale. He was a roommate to some of us, and we spent a great deal of time with him, including in the dorm where this incident allegedly took place. Some of us were also friends with Debbie Ramirez during and after her time at Yale. We can say with confidence that if the incident Debbie alleges ever occurred, we would have seen or heard about it—and we did not. The behavior she describes would be completely out of character for Brett. In addition, some of us knew Debbie long after Yale, and she never described this incident until Brett’s Supreme Court nomination was pending. Editors from the New Yorker contacted some of us because we are the people who would know the truth, and we told them that we never saw or heard about this.

10 Serious Problems With New Accusations Against Kavanaugh

I guess you all heard that there is a third accusation out there as peddled by sleazy Stormy Daniels lawyer. Something about Kavanaugh and Judge being part of some satanic torture chamber date rape cult.

redleghunter  posted on  2018-09-25   17:28:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#3. To: redleghunter, all (#2)

"In her initial conversations with The New Yorker, she was reluctant to characterize Kavanaugh’s role in the alleged incident with certainty," the outlet reports. "After six days of carefully assessing her memories and consulting with her attorney, Ramirez said that she felt confident enough of her recollections to say that she remembers Kavanaugh..."

Ding bat wanted to know if she would be sued or could be put in jail! That's why her statement is so vague and its also the reason she will not go under oath!

This is more the truth.

Neo-liberalism is a mental disease and should be treated as such!

Justified  posted on  2018-09-25   18:09:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#4. To: Justified (#1)

To legally be bound to a lie can get you arrested!! Well in a normal world!

-If- it is perjury or made to a federal official. Statements made to newspapers do not violate perjury laws or 18 USC 1001 on false statements. Statements made to your Congressional Representative, or to your attorney are safe, as are statements forwarded by your Representative.

False statements about a nomination made directly to a Senator (Feinstein) with jurisdiction to act upon the nomination may fall within 18 USC 1001. When they say Kavanaugh gave his statement under penalty of felony, this is what they are referring to. It is the law which snagged Martha Stewart for an unsworn false statement to federal agents.

A defamatory unsworn statement can certainly get your sued for slander or libel, but usually it is a tort (a civil wrong) and not a crime.

The "Ford" letter appears to have been drafted by an attorney with delivery effected by the attorney to Rep. Eshoo. The unredacted copy of the letter, as released by Feinstein, shows no signature of Dr. Ford. It shows her name, by itself, typewritten. To indicate a signature, it should appear "/s/ Christine Blasey". Rep. Eshoo had her staff hand carry the letter to Sen. Feinstein. This appears to indicate a lot of knowledge and work to make the statements non-actionable under 18 USC 1001.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-09-25   19:07:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#5. To: redleghunter (#2) (Edited)

What a drive by shooting that was. You guys see this?

The original thread links to The New Yorker story. I snipped after two paragraphs out of takedown concern.


[S]enate Democrats Investigate a New Allegation of Sexual Misconduct, from Brett Kavanaugh’s College Years

In the article it states, "The New Yorker has not confirmed with other eyewitnesses that Kavanaugh was present at the party. The magazine contacted several dozen classmates of Ramirez and Kavanaugh regarding the incident."

The New Yorker did not report that the New York Times had contacted dozens of classmates and struck out, declining to go to print with the story.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-09-25   19:22:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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