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Title: Anti-immigration party set for gains as Sweden swings right
Source: Yahoo News
URL Source: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/anti-immi ... s-sweden-swings-220942202.html
Published: Sep 9, 2018
Author: Simon Johjnson
Post Date: 2018-09-09 08:07:33 by IbJensen
Keywords: None
Views: 196
Comments: 22

STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Swedes vote on Sunday in a tight election dominated by fears over asylum and welfare, with the populist, anti-immigration Sweden Democrats vying to become the biggest party in a country long seen as a bastion of economic stability and liberal values.

Far-right parties have made spectacular gains throughout Europe in recent years following a refugee crisis sparked by civil war in Syria and ongoing conflicts in Afghanistan and parts of Africa.

In Sweden, the influx of 163,000 asylum seekers in 2015 has polarized voters, fractured the cozy political consensus and could give the Sweden Democrats, a party with roots in the neo-Nazi fringe, a veto over which parties form the next government.

"Traditional parties have failed to respond to the sense of discontent that exists," Magnus Blomgren, a social scientist at Umea University.

"That discontent maybe isn't directly related to unemployment or the economy, but simply a loss of faith in the political system. Sweden isn't alone in this."

The center-left bloc, uniting the minority governing Social Democrat and Green parties with the Left Party, is backed by about 40 percent of voters, recent opinion polls indicate, with a slim lead over the center-right Alliance bloc.

The Sweden Democrats, who want the country to leave the European Union and put a freeze on immigration, have about 17 percent, up from the 13 percent they scored in the 2014 vote, opinion polls suggest.

But their support was widely underestimated before the last election and some online surveys give them as much as 25 percent, a result that would likely make them the biggest party, dethroning the Social Democrats for the first time in a century.

That could weaken the Swedish crown in the short term, but analysts do not see any long-term effect on markets from the election as economic growth is strong, government coffers are well stocked and there is broad agreement about the thrust of economic policy.

EUROSCEPTIC VOICES

Sweden has flirted with populism before. New Democracy, founded by an aristocrat and a record producer, won nearly 7 percent of the vote in 1991 promising strict immigration policies, cheaper alcohol and free parking, before crashing out of parliament only three years later.

But if the Sweden Democrats get a quarter of the vote, it would be a sensation in a country described as a "humanitarian superpower" by then Moderate party prime minister Fredrik Reinfeldt in 2014.

It would also make them the biggest populist party in the Nordic region, topping the Danish People's Party, which got 21 percent in 2015, and trump the 12.6 percent for the far-right Alternative for Germany which swept into the Bundestag in 2017.

With an eye on the European Parliament elections next year, Brussels policymakers are watching the vote in Sweden closely, concerned that a nation with impeccable democratic credentials could add to the growing chorus of euroscepticism in the EU.

Sweden took in more asylum seekers per capita than any other country in Europe in 2015, magnifying worries about a welfare system that many voters already believe is in crisis.

Lengthening queues for critical operations, shortages of doctors and teachers and a police service that has failed to deal with inner-city gang violence have shaken faith in the "Swedish model", built on a promise of comprehensive welfare and social inclusion.

Sweden Democrat leader Jimmie Akesson has labeled the vote a choice between immigration and welfare.

He has also promised to sink any government that refuses to give his party a say in policy, particularly on immigration.

Mainstream politicians have so far rebuffed him.

But with some kind of cooperation between parties in the center-left and center-right blocs the only other alternative out of the current political deadlock, analysts believe Akesson may yet end up with some influence on policy.

With both options unpalatable to the traditional players, forming a government could take weeks.

Polling stations open at 0600 GMT and close at 1800 GMT, with exit polls set be published by Sweden's two main broadcasters around that time. Results from the vote count will become clear later in the evening.


Poster Comment:

Hopefully, this will be a continuing trend throughout Europe And it is about time.

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#1. To: IbJensen, RLK (#0)

This would be great.

There is still one problem. They will be out bred by those on welfare. A slow strangle until the low iq anti-western people take over the country.

If they do not ship them back they will condemn their children to hell!

I was studying iq subject and found that no country has ever flourished with a medium iq of less than 90-95. Which is crazy but makes sense. That's really the difference between western and 3rd world. (I think RLK knows something about this)

Justified  posted on  2018-09-09   10:00:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Justified (#1)

To save Western civilization ALL Muslims MUST be shipped the hell out of the nations they've invaded....with the consent of the respective nation's political hacks.

Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.

IbJensen  posted on  2018-09-09   16:11:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: IbJensen, All (#2)

To save Western civilization ALL Muslims MUST be shipped the hell out of the nations they've invaded....with the consent of the respective nation's political hacks.

All third world people with a lower than average iq of the country they are going to should be shipped back. Why make the mentally poorest people of your own country suffer a double blow of being in the lowest intelligence of the country you were born, which means you will earn the lowest income in that country, but import a bunch of competition from other parts of the whose family investing nothing to the betterment of that country!!!

Justified  posted on  2018-09-09   17:48:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: IbJensen (#0)

As in France, the center Left will form a coalition with the Center Right to continue governing.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-09-10   7:17:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Vicomte13 (#4)

A coalition party of the center means that the governing body stands for nothing, rather it straddles the center line and dithers the day away.

Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.

IbJensen  posted on  2018-09-10   7:34:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: IbJensen (#5) (Edited)

A coalition party of the center means that the governing body stands for nothing, rather it straddles the center line and dithers the day away.

That's one way to look at it.

Another way to see it is that people are by and large content with the status quo, that the center is the consensus position, and that the differences between center-left and center-right are matters of marginalia: how MUCH should be spend on youth sports or retirement benefits, as opposed to WHETHER there will be government sponsorship of youth sports or retirement benefits.

In America, most Republican and Democrat voters are towards the center. Most agree on things like the necessity of Social Security, Medicare, public schooling and welfare. Their disputes are on the edges, or on cultural issues, and while those differences magnify in the normal political season, when somebody like David Duke comes out of the woodwork, Republicans cross the voter lines in droves, because he's way, WAY out there on the edge on an issue on which average Republicans and Democrats are a lot more in synch about than either is with Duke.

Same thing in Sweden. For most Swedes, the question is one of degree, not a matter of wanting to rethink and remake the entire society. Just because they don't like rising crime and the visible ghetto, or pressure on social services, doesn't mean they're ready to undo the basic structure of the country they believe in.

In France the Left - all the way over to the Socialists - voted for the Right to prevent the Far Right candidate from winning the election. This would be the equivalent of the California Democrats voting for Reagan to prevent David Duke from winning the governorship.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-09-10   8:12:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Vicomte13 (#6)

In America, most Republican and Democrat voters are towards the center. Most agree on things like the necessity of Social Security, Medicare, public schooling and welfare.

You are sounding like a dumb liberal again. and again and again.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-09-10   8:52:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Vicomte13 (#6)

Most agree on things like the necessity of Social Security

Established because people didn't have enough sense to save for their retirement. Over the years I've talked with more than one person who stated that they have no savings, rather they're relying on Social Security. They blow the excess on frivolities.

I know I'm not the only one here that can say this, but I've paid the max into the ponzi scheme and know full well that if I'd invested that money in even a mediocre mutual fund I'd have millions of additional dollars in my brokerage account. I daresay that since I've paid in for over 50 years I'd have ten million or more..

Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.

IbJensen  posted on  2018-09-10   10:22:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: IbJensen (#8)

I know I'm not the only one here that can say this, but I've paid the max into the ponzi scheme and know full well that if I'd invested that money in even a mediocre mutual fund I'd have millions of additional dollars in my brokerage account.

First, you would not have millions more. The max Social Security benefit does not give you millions.

Second, during all those years of paying into Social Security you ALSO had, through Social Security, disability insurance and a survivor's life insurance annuity, both for your spouse and your dependent children.

And all of these overlapping insurance products were provided to you as a matter of right - there was no health screening nor any other screening.

Had you gotten sick at any time, you were insured, and your wife and kids were insured.

Your "If I had put it into a mutual fund I'd have millions more" is factually false. Go back and pick one of the few mutual funds that actually existed back when you started working, and go ahead and calculate out the actual money you put in and the returns - less the management fees (can't leave those out). It does not amount to MILLIONS of dollars difference. It'll amount to some difference.

Now go and price disability insurance and a life annuity - adjustable for inflation - that's important: Social Security adjusts for inflation, your investments and your insurance policies don't - with guaranteed insurability. Price that out and add the cost of that to the cost of the retirement annuity itself.

Then come back to me and tell me the numbers. You don't need to do that. I did that analysis long ago. You flat out CANNOT BUY insurance that good. And the closest you can get will cost you, in the aggregate, over twice what Social Security got you.

So, you're old and you managed to avoid being disabled, or dying and leaving minor kids without support. That's great for you. But though YOU want to ignore the benefit of that insurance you had all along, most people recognize that the combination of things that Social Security covers is far more than just a retirement annuity.

If you do the calculation, factoring in guaranteed insurability and inflation adjustment, you can't get close to the Social Security price. Social Security is the best comprehensive insurance policy money can buy. An actual detailed analysis will prove that to you, if you do it.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-09-10   12:23:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Vicomte13 (#9) (Edited)

He didn't want Insurance dumbass. Not forced upon him dumbass. FDR was a dumbass just like you. Your Marxist not a follower of Jesus. You don't have faith enough he'll take care of you you think man has to do it

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-09-10   12:28:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A K A Stone (#7)

You are sounding like a dumb liberal again. and again and again.

Nope. I'm sounding like a centrist, Independent American, part of the center mainstream. You're sounding like a crazy when you cite Social Security, Medicare, public schooling and welfare as things that are dumb and liberal.

The bulk of voters in your own party will never, ever cut those programs off, not ever. Reagan was a big champion of Social Security.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-09-10   12:29:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A K A Stone (#10)

You don't have faith enough he'll take care of you you think man has to do it

I know that Jesus won't take care of our physical needs in this world. This country, and all of the other Christian countries before Social Security, and all of the Christian countries that still don't have Social Security and Disability Insurance and Welfare and Universal Public Education have grinding poverty, starvation, and ignorance.

So no, Jesus won't save Christians from the fate that millions of Christians suffer. That's WHY we installed welfare and Social Security and all that - because God WON'T DO IT.

Jesus is not a gumball machine. Trust him and you'll learn to read. Trust him and you'll never be crippled, disabled, sick and unable to work. Trust him and you won't go hungry in retirement. You seem to really believe that God is a gumball machine, so you set yourself as a enemy to the sort of social welfare that God established even in ancient Israel.

You have the right to do that. The rest of us will be realists and understand that Jesus' deal gives us hope primarily in the world to come. Sure, sometimes he'll perform a miracle in this world - he did for me. This does not mean that I go running down docks and dive in headlong, in the confidence that God will save me.

In the ultimate sense of sending my spirit to Paradise and passing final judgment, yes, but in the immediate real world physical sense, when I'm standing there blinking at him because I'm dead asking "Why? Why?" the answer is obvious: You broke your neck and drowned, dumbass, what did you expect?

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-09-10   12:37:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Vicomte13 (#11)

You're sounding like a crazy when you cite Social Security, Medicare, public schooling and welfare as things that are dumb and liberal.

There you go lying again. The pope lies about Christ you lie about what I said.

Now go back and read what I said and retract your lie.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-09-10   13:00:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Vicomte13 (#12)

I know that Jesus won't take care of our physical needs in this world.

He sure will not if you don't have faith. Which you just proclaimed.

By the way is healing a broken neck a physical need?

So God wont take care of our physical needs you say but he will do magic tricks for you like raising cockroaches from the dead? You're a barrel of laughs.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-09-10   13:02:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Vicomte13 (#12)

So no, Jesus won't save Christians from the fate that millions of Christians suffer. That's WHY we installed welfare and Social Security and all that - because God WON'T DO IT.

Not Catholics generally speaking.

But he saves your broken neck and raises mice and roaches from the dead.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-09-10   13:04:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Vicomte13 (#12)

Sure, sometimes he'll perform a miracle in this world - he did for me.

Does God perform miracles on a whim?

Or when someone prays and has faith?

Or something else you goofy Catholics imagine to be true?

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-09-10   13:06:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Vicomte13 (#4)

First, you would not have millions more. The max Social Security benefit does not give you millions.

You've completely misunderstood what I was alluding to. Therefore I can say very little to you excepting that you are incapable as to what I was referring to. I would suggest that you refrain from posting until you've passed the sophomore grade of high school.

Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.

IbJensen  posted on  2018-09-10   13:12:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: A K A Stone (#15)

But he saves your broken neck

He did. He didn't tell me why. Maybe just so my existence will antagonize you. Maybe that is the purpose for which God kept me alive: to stand as a living, breathing testimony against what you think about him, who reduces you to a raging, sputum-spitting rage whenever you have to deal with me. How you kick at the goad.

I rather hope that the purpose of my preservation was not simply to be a living counterexample to your belief system. That would be very sad for me, and make you more important in the universe than I would hope you are.

But who can say?

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-09-10   15:04:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#16)

Does God perform miracles on a whim?

He performs miracles as he chooses. And he doesn't answer to you or to me or to anybody else for what he chooses to do.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-09-10   15:05:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: IbJensen (#17)

You've completely misunderstood what I was alluding to. Therefore I can say very little to you excepting that you are incapable as to what I was referring to. I would suggest that you refrain from posting until you've passed the sophomore grade of high school.

I understand perfectly well what you said: that if you didn't have to put your money into Social Security, that you'd have millions more than you do from your Social Security benefit, because you would have been able to invest that money in mutual funds instead, and be much better off.

I'm replying that you would have had a lot less protection over the years, on many vectors, and that you would not have MILLIONS more than you're getting with Social Security, because at the standard rate of returns of mutual funds over a 5 year career, a few thousand dollars of social security payment - the maximum tax, doesn't become MILLIONS.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-09-10   15:18:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Vicomte13 (#20)

One word: appreciation.

Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.

IbJensen  posted on  2018-09-11   8:00:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: IbJensen (#21)

One word: appreciation.

Not enough to make millions of difference at the low levels of principal over a working career.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-09-11   20:22:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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