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Title: Are the Interventionists Now Leaderless?
Source: Pat Bucanan.org
URL Source: http://buchanan.org/blog/are-the-in ... tionists-now-leaderless-129973
Published: Sep 1, 2018
Author: Patrick J. Buchanan
Post Date: 2018-09-01 07:27:55 by buckeroo
Keywords: None
Views: 4204
Comments: 40

“McCain’s Death Leaves Void” ran The Wall Street Journal headline over a front-page story that began:

“The death of John McCain will leave Congress without perhaps its loudest voice in support of the robust internationalism that has defined the country’s security relations since World War II.”

Certainly, the passing of the senator whose life story will dominate the news until he is buried at his alma mater, the Naval Academy, on Sunday, leaves America’s interventionists without their greatest champion.

No one around has the prestige or media following of McCain.

And the cause he championed, compulsive intervention in foreign quarrels to face down dictators and bring democrats to power, appears to be a cause whose time has passed.

When 9/11 occurred, America was united in crushing the al-Qaida terrorists who perpetrated the atrocities. John McCain then backed President Bush’s decision to invade Iraq in 2003, which had no role in the attacks.

During Barack Obama’s presidency, he slipped into northern Syria to cheer rebels who had arisen to overthrow President Bashar Assad, an insurgency that led to a seven-year civil war and one of the great humanitarian disasters of our time. McCain supported the expansion of NATO into Eastern Europe and the Baltic, right up to Russia’s border. When Georgia invaded South Ossetia in 2008, and was expelled by the Russian army, McCain roared, “We are all Georgians now!” He urged intervention. But Bush, his approval rating scraping bottom, had had enough of the neocon crusades for democracy.

McCain’s contempt for Vladimir Putin was unconstrained. When crowds gathered in Maidan Square in Kiev to overthrow an elected pro-Russian president, McCain was there, cheering them on.

He supported sending arms to the Ukrainian army to fight pro-Russian rebels in the Donbass. He backed U.S. support for Saudi intervention in Yemen. And this war, too, proved to be a humanitarian disaster.

John McCain was a war hawk, and proud of it. But by 2006, the wars he had championed had cost the Republican Party both houses of Congress.


McCain was instrumental in bringing Trump to the forefront of American politics.

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#9. To: buckeroo (#0)

I largely agreed with McCain on foreign policy and war.

Where we parted ways is over post-Cold War Russia and Vladimir Putin.

McCain could never see that Russia was not the USSR, and that Putin was not a Stalin-like figure. His hatred was too deeply entrenched. That caused a serious divide between me and him on a central aspect of foreign policy.

As far as playing the Islamists off against each other, and bombing the hell out of Islamist shitholes, he and I were on the same page. After 9/11 I thought we should have invaded, conquered and forcibly converted (to secularism) all of the terror-supporting states of the Middle East: Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran - whatever it took.

McCain had a tin ear on Russia. I agreed with him elsewhere.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-09-01   14:05:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Vicomte13 (#9)

As far as playing the Islamists off against each other, and bombing the hell out of Islamist shitholes, he and I were on the same page.

Yet, the good ol' USA helped to create the current strife in and about the Islamist terrorists that still exist in the ME.

Ever hear of "Freedom Fighters" by Ronald Reagan? Ever look into the legacy of this bullshit?

buckeroo  posted on  2018-09-01   14:19:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: buckeroo (#10)

Ever hear of "Freedom Fighters" by Ronald Reagan? Ever look into the legacy of this bullshit?

It defeated the USSR, bringing it to a speedy end, so ultimately the price was worth paying. You have to break some eggs to make an omelette.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-09-01   14:40:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#12. To: Vicomte13 (#11)

It defeated the USSR, bringing it to a speedy end, so ultimately the price was worth paying. You have to break some eggs to make an omelette.

I have a term for you and your lame perspective: FUCK YOU and the HORSE YOU RODE.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-09-01 15:51:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Vicomte13 (#11) (Edited)

we should have invaded, conquered and forcibly converted (to secularism) all of the terror-supporting states of the Middle East: Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran ... ultimately the price was worth paying

Shame on you!

A Pole  posted on  2018-09-01 16:19:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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