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Title: Ocasio-Cortez Is Asked How America Will Pay For Her Socialist Dreams. Guess How Much Information She Has In Her Head.
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URL Source: https://www.dailywire.com/news/3419 ... rica-will-pay-her-hank-berrien
Published: Aug 8, 2018
Author: HANK BERRIEN
Post Date: 2018-08-08 08:59:25 by IbJensen
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Speaking with host Jon Lovett on Pod Save America, New York Democratic socialist darling Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was asked for details as to how America would pay for her socialist dreams, such as universal healthcare and free college tuition. Although she spouted for roughly two minutes, the answer Ocasio-Cortez offered was this: she has no idea. Lovett prompted the descent into puffery and sound and fury signifying nothing by stating: We don’t talk about what defense costs; we’re about to hit a trillion dollars in debt because of the corporate tax cuts; yet when we talk about pre-K, healthcare, college, suddenly it’s unrealistic because of the cost. And it’s not just bad faith Republicans that make that argument; you hear it from Democrats as well. What’s your response to that? Ocasio-Cortez started like a house afire: “Well, I think it’s that exact same thing.” That makes it abundantly clear. She continued, “It’s that we… you know they say, ‘How are you going to pay for it?’ as though they haven’t used those same ways to pay for unlimited wars, to pay for trillion dollar tax cuts and tax cut extensions. They use these mechanisms to pay for these things all the time.” What “same ways"? What “mechanisms"? But we digress. Ocasio-Cortez waxed eloquent with more brilliantisms: “They only want to know — it just seems like their pockets are empty when we’re talking about education and investing in human capital in the United States: education, healthcare, housing, and investing in the middle class.” It would seem the students who want to game the system by getting college education for free are the ones with empty pockets while in her dreams the adults in the room have to ante up, and what she means by “investing in the middle class” is anyone’s guess, but she had more: All of a sudden, there’s nothing left. All of a sudden the wealthiest nation in the world, we’re just totally scarce. We have complete scarcity when it comes to the things that are the most important. She might want to visit socialist Venezuela for a look at “complete scarcity” of things that are most important, such as food. Ocasio-Cortez continued, "And so for me, I think it belies a lack of moral priority and it’s unfortunate." As opposed to making others pay for your dreams, which used to be called stealing. Ocasio-Cortez then rambled on: I think that — but I also think a lot of these folks, especially those perhaps on the Democratic side, perhaps they don’t even see it, you know? I don’t know. I don’t know if that’s a generous interpretation or not, but I legitimately think that they start kind of buying into conservative talking points. They get dragged into their court all the time. And I think it is because there’s this really myopic, and also, just misunderstanding of politics as this flat 2-dimensional left/right thing. And so they always feel like, “Okay, the Right says this thing. We have to respond to it.” And that’s why they’re winning. That’s why they’ve won for the last ten years, because they’ve dragged us onto their court. And we refuse to have our own strong message to force them to play defense on. In all that verbiage, did you see an answer as to how the young socialist would pay for her dreams? Didn’t think so. https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1026919316665450496
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#10. To: Stoner (#9)
I want a solid gold toilet. lol
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Ah, Vic can’t help his weaknesses. He’s been brainwashed by the libtard propaganda machine. He’s ok.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Very expensive receptacle to deposit chunks of Obama, LOL !!
Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers) "No one ever rescues an old dog. They lay in a cage until they die. PLEASE save one. None of us wants to die cold and alone... --Dennis Olson " AMERICA! Designed by geniuses. Now run by idiots.
Ah yes we have to keep the lazy portion of society alive so that they can vote, by stealing from productive people. Get real...
Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
Ocasio-Cortez Won’t Debate Shapiro Because He’s ‘Sexist’, So Conservative Ladies Step Up https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/ocasio-cortez-conservative-ladies/? utm_source=Email&utm_medium=conservativevideos&utm_campaign=dailyam&utm_content= libertyalliance
Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
Get real... Le chien aboie, la caravane passe.
Vicomte13 - Increasingly, I am convinced, you are a fuckin' idiot every time you create a post.
Increasingly, I am convinced, you are a fuckin' idiot every time you create a post. You aren’t completely a kook.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Les chiens, donc.
But, you are. As a personal opinion, you are an insane asshole that adds no added value to anyone.
“Assholes” are important, ba ba ba Fucky. That’s why everyone has one.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I know you don't care you're going to keep it up with the faux empathy schtick. Making people be responsible for themselves will help them more that making someone else responsible for them. It's called turning a child into an adult something that not a lot of parents are capable of doing with their children nowadays. And I'm sure the reason for that is they're not adults either, they received participation trophy's too. The last few generations have been given more and more free stuff by their parents (their parents falsely claim they care about them). If they really cared they would make the children learn what the real world is like instead of trying to shield them from it, but that would be mean wouldn't it? (You were given free schitt so you think your kids deserve even more free schitt, don't you)? So the parents of these last 2 generations label everybody who disagrees with them as racists, homophobes, bigots, white supremacists, etc, etc, etc. The biggest problem with the labelers is they're perfectly happy with a certain class of people being "slaves" to their feelings/policies, it's called financial slavery (which is actually worse than what they've labeled the nay sayers). This is all about the labelers feeling good about themselves because it makes them look like they "really care" about the poor and destitute of the country when they really don't. The policies they tout will make others poor and destitute too, but that doesn't really matter that they're destructive to man. It's all about them feeling good about themselves and being popular with their stupid friends/family. The real world awaits you stick your head thru the window/door in the wall of hypocrisy you've built around yourself to keep the nay sayers out. Go visit some other countries (I'm not talking about EU socialist where you were raised, real schittholes like Africa and ME) and you'll find most of the people just want a way to provide for their families and be free to chose the way they do it. Not have some government panoche hand them a few scraps, a cardboard box to live in and a bunch of hollow promises (lies), which is all the socialistic types have to offer... And if it weren't for us mean Americans you'd still be part of Germany or the USSR being their financial slaves...
Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
So where did yours (Gatlin) run off to??
Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
So the parents of these last 2 generations label everybody who disagrees with them as racists, homophobes, bigots, white supremacists, etc, etc, etc. The biggest problem with the labelers is they're perfectly happy with a certain class of people being "slaves" to their feelings/policies, it's called financial slavery... The policies they tout will make others poor and destitute too, but that doesn't really matter that they're destructive to man. It's all about them feeling good about themselves and being popular with their stupid friends/family. The real world awaits you...And if it weren't for us mean Americans you'd still be part of Germany or the USSR being their financial slaves... OUTSTANDING RANT!
Yes, he is ok. I like Vic. But I'm worried about him. He's been careening Left-ward rapidly. But why?? IS it the Left's propaganda machine that's influencing him? Vic: I can't help but note you're becoming more heavily Humanist-Secularist in personal philosophy. Hey, it's *your* life and opinion....but WHY the Big Change?
Back to washing dishes at his local ACLU clubhouse kitchen? HuffPo/DU forums?
Can you believe this Commie-broad darling?? ANY conservative women would chew her up and spit her out in ANY debate. Her ONLY chance is a Debate FIX. And even at that she's mentally-intellectually ill-equipped. The GOP has to make her one-half of The Face of the Dem-Donkey Party; The OTHER half is Maxine-James Brown.
More like plunging toilets for them, they're so full of shit at those places they need a full time bathroom attendant. Some people have these little ploys they like to pull on other posters, I see it on every forum I've ever been on. His little ploy is he's smart and you're a stupid nincompoop. And when his bullschitt ploy comes back to bite/haunt him it's time to runaway for awhile and hope people forget what happened. Sooner or later he'll be back as himself or with another pseudo name, they just can't resist.
Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
I’ll submit that he’s been that way since you’ve known him... and there are quite a few more that purposely hide the amount of LEFT in them, to have a place to post, after being de-nutted by the wheelchair RINO. All it takes is a love for anti government, and all the Paultards here or on LP will embrace you... as long as you hide your love for welfare, abortion, open borders and drugs.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
She's just a good little drone for who knows who, someone is paying her way. She's nothing more than a female Obama (another community organizer) who preys on stupid people so they can reap the rewards and get rich. Obozo played it all the way to the White Hut and now lives off of rich Democrap donors who are still stupid enough to give him money even though he was/is a failure.
Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
If I were a single dude, I’d bend her over the hood of a patrol car... and cross those crazy eyeballs of hers... but I’d not give her the time of her life, twice. She’s a loony kook.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I normally don't do rants cause with a lot of folks that's just their way of attempting to baffle with bullschitt, short and sweet is better. Where would all of these so called "successful" socialist countries be without America footing the bill for NATO and other defense programs? (I think we're about to find out). Maybe we should send them some of our minorities to go along with the Muzzy's they're importing and see how that works out for them? Oh wait, never mind that would mean we would have to up the timetable by 20 years for having to save them from themselves again. We're going to have to do that sooner or later and this would hasten the inevitable...
Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
Speaking of retards...... Is This the Next Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez? Ayanna Pressley says the Democratic Party needs new blood. She’ll have to take down a popular incumbent to make her case. By JOANNA WEISS | August 12, 2018 A few weeks before Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez won her New York congressional primary, Boston City Councilor Ayanna Pressley spoke to roomful of young Democrats at the Bell-in-Hand, a Boston tavern that dates back to 1795. She was explaining why she should unseat a congressman who, she suggested, might as well have been in office for that long. It wasn’t that her opponent in Massachusetts’ 7th District, 10-term Rep. Michael Capuano, had a voting record that was objectionable, or had neglected the district for a national profile—the standard complaints you hear in a primary challenge. Instead, it was a question of approach, of personal history translated to legislative priorities, of the value in filling Massachusetts’ only majority-minority district—currently served by a 66-year-old white man—with a 44-year-old black woman who has experienced the struggles of the inner city. Pressley talked, with a lyrical lilt, about growing up in Chicago with a single mother; her father’s incarceration; her survival of sexual assault. She said she’d draw renewed attention to the economic and social disparities within the district, the way income and life expectancy vary precinct by precinct. Rest of the article is at the link: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/08/12/ayanna-pressley- massachusetts-democrats-progressives-219352
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The real world is one in which we have had Social Security, Unemployment Benefits and regulated working hours for 85 years, and government subsidized health care and food and housing support for the poor for 54 years. I live in the real world, and I support the parameters of the real world as they exist. The majority of people do. You are the kook out in the fever swamp pretending that I have to convince you of something in order to maintain the reasonable social safety net we already have in place. But I have already won this war. The status quo is what I want. I'd like it to be run BETTER, more efficiently, and more effectively, but the basic structure is pretty robust, if imperfect. So, I don't have to do anything but stand pat, and I already have 80% of what I want. You have pretty much 0% of what you want, but you scream and bellow at me AS THOUGH you were in power and your ideas ruled the roost. Actually, your belief system was defeated on the political battlefield and plowed under nearly a century ago. You bellyache and scream, which is your right, but the REAL world is the world I describe, and like - that you scream about AS THOUGH I were trying to persuade you to let it be put into place. It ALREADY IS in place. I've ALREADY WON this war. YOU are screaming and bellyaching like a defeated German or a defeated Confederate AS THOUGH I have to persuade you of anything. You insult me AS THOUGH I were appealing to you, trying to get something from you. Actually, my position is that I'd prefer to discuss these things rationally, but if you won't then FUCK YOU, KEEP HANDING OVER A THIRD OF WHAT YOU EARN, OR THE ARMED OFFICERS OF MY STATE WILL COME SHOOT YOU IN THE FACE. My side won, your side lost, and you WILL pay tribute, or we will put you in a cage. THAT is the REAL world. You will OBEY my moral imperativea, and you WILL pay heavy taxes to support MY moral imperatives, and I will give your views precisely FUCK ALL, because we won and you lost. THAT is the real world. I slum here with the likes of you to try to have a reasonable conversation, but you talk like somebody who is actually in charge, whose ideas are actually the laws. In the REAL world my ideas are the laws, and people who think like me are in charge. I don't hate you out of the box. I have empathy for your plight (real, not faux), and I would like to help you see why your position is too extreme, and why we can't go back to the sort of world you want. But you respond with such contempt, vitriol and hatred that finally I come to the shoulder shrug. Ok, you're miserable. You hate the real world. You're never going to calm yourself down. Fine. Just pay your taxes to keep my programs going, and I won't have to send the goon squad to shoot you. Capisce?
I haven't moved at all. I was Catholic, and I remain Catholic. I have always opposed abortion, for example: it is the killing of the innocent. And therefore I oppose the death penalty as we administer it, because we kill the innocent. I could support the death penalty if we had the protections in place that God put into place when he instituted it in Israel, but we won't, and therefore I oppose the death penalty. I was arguing those same positions in 1995 as a 1L in law school. I haven't moved at all. When it comes to war, I can support a truly just war, that is fought with the goal of swift and decisive victory, but wars of empire are not that. The Cold War against the USSR was a just war. The War on Terror COULD have been, but we turned it into a forever war for empire, and that renders it unjust. I have the same view of Social Security as Ronald Reagan - he was a lifelong supporter of it. If my tone has changed, it is because I've gotten more muscular in my reply to abuse of the things I believe. Also, I've gotten a lot more frank about being the adult in the room. Our society has by and large come down on my side of most things, so I am largely simply supporting the status quo. It is fine when people oppose the status quo. It is delusional when they pretend that their cranky opinions are the status quo. Cranky, delusional people are not shy about treating the people who disagree with them like shit. And hey, guess what, I can treat them like shit in reply too! It isn't as though they don't deserve it.
I have been this way all along, and I've never hidden the amount of God in me.
Jesus didn't say that so you don't believe it. You said you don't believe the Bible. Another Vic hypocrisy.
I guess I have to put up with your obtuseness as long as I post here. It is true: we are not bound to the judicial rules of the Old Testament, but they DO safeguard against killing the innocent - and Jesus DID say not to kill the innocent (or anybody else). So, we are not OBLIGATED to impose the Old Testament rules of evidence and trial, but we ARE obliged, by Jesus, to not kill the innocent. Our existing processes kill the innocent. By pointing to the Old Testament rules, I pointed to a set of rules that will prevent killing the innocent by mistake. True, we don't have to use those particular rules. We could come up with some other set of rules. I am content with the Old Testament set, because they would obviously address the issue, and also because I would assume that God-squadding bible-thumpers like yourself would not put up opposition to using a biblical standard. But it's true, we are not required to use those procedures. We DO, however, have to obey Jesus and not kill the innocent. Right now we kill the innocent, so I oppose the death penalty. You apparently don't like the Biblical standard, since you're attacking it (and attacking me for proposing it) - so you've knocked that out as a standard. Knock that out, and I'm left with Jesus saying not to kill, and no standard on offer to avoid killing, therefore I must oppose the death penalty absolutely. We can't kill the innocent, and you won't allow the Biblical standard for determining guilt. So we're left with no reliable standard I can think of. I still have the commandment from Jesus to not kill the innocent, so I'm left simply opposing the death penalty outright. If that's what you want too, then we're in agreement. I suspect that you very much want the death penalty to remain, because you're an un-Christian hard-ass who equates your right wing politics with what Jesus and the Bible said. So, you're going to want a death penalty that doesn't have the protections of the innocent that God's Old Testament procedures have, and you're going to support a judicial system that ends up killing the innocent. So, essentially, your politics trump Jesus and you think that's entirely reasonable and Christian because...you're an American Right Winger, and that's exactly the way you hypocrites reason. But the reasoning is flawed, and therefore unpersuasive, and the country keeps drifting towards me and away from you. Deus vult.
Yes he did. You said to shoot cz82 in the face if he resists theft. You worship yourself. You're not Catholic or you would believe differently. Not your acid trip raising lizards from the dead.
NO I am pointing out the blaring hypocricy of an arrogant hypocrite who speaks out of both sides of his ass cheeks. You said the old testament is a fable. Now you are saying we should use it. You are a goofball.
Why is it people always over exaggerate to "try" to make a point? I never said I wanted to kick all people off of subsistence. The point is there are "some" people who don't deserve to be on it because they don't want to be responsible. I'm only saying they should be made to be responsible just like you said I should have my money stolen from me at gunpoint to subsidize those folks. So what does the Bible say about stealing? Lets see: A man’s negligence which results in a loss to his neighbor. Exodus chapter 22 (verses 1-15) describes several acts of negligence which deprive a neighbor of his property, and which thus require restitution. Oh and here’s another one: He who steals must steal no longer; but rather he must labor, performing with his own hands what is good, so that he will have something to share with one who has need. (I just love Catholic hypocrites, maybe you need to brush up on what’s really in the Bible instead of interpreting it to say what you want it to say). You claim to like Trump and what he's doing so why not embrace his concept of creating jobs so that everybody who should be working, is capable of working or wants to work can provide for themselves and their families?? (He seems to want them to have the opportunity to be all they can be, don't you)? Why do you think he's also bringing back the work mandate for Welfare? (In your eyes just to be mean I suppose). Trump also wants to build a wall to keep even more lazy MFers out of this country, to keep them from sucking it dry monetarily. Is there something about those concepts that you don't like beings you're a Trump lover?? (Is it because it's about retirement time for you and you haven't prepared for it and want others to keep your lazy ass alive, or aren't they authoritarian enough for you)?? So how many people have died at the governments hands over the countless millennia thanks to your “perfect” system of government? (Which allows the crooked politicians to get richer and everybody else suffer because the politicians always morph it into full blown authoritarian/dictatorial/monarchial governments). How many billion is it now? 1, 2, 5?? You’re a historian you tell me… So who's the reasonable/responsible one here Vic, I’m not advocating for those deaths like you are?? BTW the only reason you think you've won is because people have found out that they can vote for and receive a free ride, and you’ve helped them achieve that. But sooner or later it will all cave in on itself (it always does/has) and there will be nothing to give those people you claim to want to help and they will die a slow, horrible, painful death. (You should be very proud of yourself)!! Now maybe you can see why I say your way is faux empathy but for some reason I doubt you will. P.S. I could tell you to go FO and die but then it would make me just as silly as you...
Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
More like plunging toilets for them, they're so full of shit at those places they need a full time bathroom attendant. Heh-heh... But more he was like *clogging* those toilets and working Over-time to do it.
His little ploy is he's smart and you're a stupid nincompoop. Yup. Exactamundo. Except the joke was on him. We'd seen it here...and at other forums (as at FR) -- these kinds of people will contact each other and call in Hyena-reinforcement in working to "gaslight" the opposition, people who indeed know exactly what's going on and onto the Group-Yoda act. Except here there was no one left to actually support Gilligan's One-Man ACLU Clown Show. And when his bullschitt ploy comes back to bite/haunt him it's time to runaway for awhile and hope people forget what happened. Sooner or later he'll be back as himself or with another pseudo name, they just can't resist. That's usually the trend, isn't it? He/they return...and...Sometimes people do learn and admit their errors. But it can't be faked or BS'd for long to those of us who've posted at these forums for a decade or two. Cred can't be redeemed if one can't admit they've been wrong. WE remember. Especially things like ACLU worship. Forum blackmail. Ridicule of the Bible WHILE also quoting it. And general hypocrisy and lies.
Maybe you're right; Maybe he's been hiding it. OR...maybe has recently just realized (or self-admitted) that the degree of "Socialist" acceptance/advocacy is much greater than he even thought. From my perspective, Vic's always been an enigma (he might even admit it); Solidly identifies conservative in certain ways, but solidly and decidedly LEFT in others. So where's that leave him of the political scale? Overall, probably Center. But that winds up allowing the Left to gain ground while undermining the Conservatism. Conservatism MUST increase, otherwise we know the USA WILL become full-blown Socialist (already the Dems are at the brink), and then comes the inevitable: Totalitarianism. And a hot CW2. The math is painfully easy for us to do, isn't it? For Vic -- who admits his degree of affection for our country and system vs "European" *is* divided -- maybe that's why he's more Socialist than Constitutionalist. All it takes is a love for anti government, and all the Paultards here or on LP will embrace you... as long as you hide your love for welfare, abortion, open borders and drugs. There are some extremely confused posters here who want it both ways...AND ALL WAYS. Without common-sense Law Enforcement we have a Portland OR/Berkeley CA type of nation. I am SICK of the daily dredged up isolated cases that broad-brush ALL of LE as petty, evil, over-officious bullies. It's intellectually and morally dishonest. AND worst of all, follows the BLM/0bama script of spreading HATE of cops and respect for The Law. Semi-Anarchists and Socialists only serve the OTHER SIDE. This is no time as you know to straddle the fence on Party politics. Especially with Trump (the "Independent" Libertarians and Conservatives were wishing for) at the helm fighting the fake Two-Parties (GOPe NWO puppets + Dem-Commies). Honestly, Ron Paul wasn't all that wrong on many things. He was surprisingly ahead of the curve on many; He KNEW long ago that our gummit's PTB (and those behind the scene) were a festering corrupt hell-hole pit of Globalists and Liars selling us out. But was dangerously naive in a number of crucial issues. Hardcore libertarians jumped on the band-wagon then took things too far into Anarchist territory.
There's actually a good chance that the entrenched Deep State and parent PTB (like ValJar, Brennan, the 0bama-Klinton NWO-Alliance like Soros) are subsidizing and fronting for nutjob Ortiz nutjob as well as ALL these emerging Democrat Party endorsed Socialists and Muzzies who HATE the USA (Have you noticed the HIGH number of radical La Raza-type and Muzzies (D) actually running for office??) She's nothing more than a female Obama (another community organizer) who preys on stupid people so they can reap the rewards and get rich. Obozo played it all the way to the White Hut and now lives off of rich Democrap donors who are still stupid enough to give him money even though he was/is a failure. EXACTLY. The Dems and their propaganda wing are desperate to find as many female 0bamas as possible: Ortiz-Crazed Eyeball Kook, Kamala Harris, etal "Communitah Organizing" at its most obvious. As with 0'Bammy (an elites' Manchurian Candidate if ever we saw one), they are hoping to heavily recruit that low-hanging fruit -- the sub-70 IQ demo along with the usual fake "disenfranchised"/"victim" demo, aka witches, BLM, Jihadists, HOMOs, self-loathing whites -- along with the flower of the Democrat Party: Mental deficient freaks, masochists and demon-possessed. Particularly annoying: 0bammy's life of celebrity and FREEBIES after having taking a wrecking ball to the USA. THIS guy has dome more to create this current atmosphere of daily derangement, hate and paranoia than anyone in history. (NOT including this treasonous fake MSM.)
Stop. You're killin' me.
I meant "rant" is the most complimentary way. YOU have been addressing and saying what needs to be said...on everything. It's almost as though our brains are tapped into the same sane, reality, truth-based source. It's...almost word for word. And like you, I have ZERO patience for the daily layers of lies being spewed from the Media (so-called "news" and sports) schools, talking heads, Hollywood, Commies, Socialists, BLM, ACLU, SPLC, feminazis, projecting hypocritical haters at every turn. They are ALL on the very SAME TEAM, with the VERY SAME GOAL: Take down the USA, our national Judeo-Christian heritage and traditions, capitalist system, and.... our Constitution. And at the root of ALL of this alliance: HATRED for God and HIS laws. The Secular Humanist World is one destined for Hell on Earth. Then Hell IN Hell.
I know what you meant we're cool.
Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
True. They want to be free to be a lazy POS and not be held responsible/accountable for their actions.
Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
I don't want it "Both" ways, and I'm not confused. I want it MY way. But I recognize that's not going to happen in any pure sense. Failing that, I want a set of compromises I can tolerate. Occasionally I'll say "If I were King..." and give MY way, but usually I skip all of that. I'm not going to get what I want, I know it, so why waste the time on it. Instead, I look at what is reasonably possible and practical in the real world, and try to stick within that bandwidth. Take any issue - you can pick it - and you will find this tension, between the perfect and the possible. I tend to write from the perspective of the possible, but most posters here write from the perspective of the perfect, as if they were King. Then they get really mad at folks who don't agree. I try for awhile, I play for awhile. Eventually I lose my temper and check out for awhile. The notion that I move around a lot is just not true though. I got banned from FR, long ago, because I criticized H.W. Bush for his handling of war and taxes. I haven't changed my mind about that at all. FR eventually moved over to where I was too. I haven't changed my view of abortion since 1977, when I had to write my first paper on the subject for 9th Grade English debate class. My view of the death penalty has been the same since I was a teenager. My view of taxation became more sophisticated once I studied the US and Euroepan tax laws, and realized how taxes are the central core of the very structure of the economy, and thought about the most equitable and least distortive methods of taxation (the answer is a gross wealth tax and the elimination of income and payroll taxes). I just don't change much, but I get accused of it. It puzzles me. I think what it is is that there are certain set-piece political beliefs that come as a package with party in the US. I'm an Independent. I see strength and weaknesses of both major parties. I have almost always voted Republican because the weaknesses of the Democrats have often been most glaring and worried me more, but I have none of the Republican partisan RAGE against Democrats, and I don't think that the Republicans are the bulwark against Communism or any such over the top rhetoric. That's just silly to me. So when I get targeted with rhetoric of that sort I just skim over it and ignore it. It's poppycock.
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#12. To: GrandIsland (#10)
" I want a solid gold toilet. "
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#15. To: CZ82 (#13)
Ah yes we have to keep the lazy portion of society alive so that they can vote, by stealing from productive people.
#16. To: Vicomte13, CZ82 (#15)
Le chien aboie, la caravane passe.
#17. To: buckeroo (#16)
Vicomte13 -
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#19. To: GrandIsland (#17)
You aren’t completely a kook.
#20. To: buckeroo (#19)
#21. To: Vicomte13 (#15)
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#22. To: GrandIsland (#20)
“Assholes” are important, ba ba ba Fucky. That’s why everyone has one.
#23. To: CZ82, Vicomte13 (#21)
If they [liberal zombies] really cared they would make the children learn what the real world is like instead of trying to shield them from it, but that would be mean wouldn't it? (You were given free schitt so you think your kids deserve even more free schitt, don't you)?
#24. To: GrandIsland, Vicomte13 (#11)
Vic can’t help his weaknesses. He’s been brainwashed by the libtard propaganda machine. He’s ok.
#25. To: CZ82, GrandIsland (#22)
So where did yours (Gatlin) run off to??
#26. To: CZ82 (#14)
Ocasio-Cortez Won’t Debate Shapiro Because He’s ‘Sexist’, So Conservative Ladies Step Up
#27. To: Liberator (#25)
Back to washing dishes at his local ACLU clubhouse kitchen? HuffPo/DU forums?
#28. To: Liberator (#24)
But I'm worried about him. He's been careening Left-ward rapidly
#29. To: Liberator (#26)
Her ONLY chance is a Debate FIX. And even at that she's mentally-intellectually ill-equipped.
#30. To: Liberator (#26)
Can you believe this Commie-broad darling??
#31. To: Liberator (#23)
(Edited)
OUTSTANDING RANT!
#32. To: CZ82 (#29)
#33. To: A K A Stone (#32)
#34. To: CZ82 (#21)
The real world awaits you
#35. To: Liberator (#24)
He's been careening Left-ward rapidly.
#36. To: GrandIsland (#28)
I’ll submit that he’s been that way since you’ve known him... and there are quite a few more that purposely hide the amount of LEFT in them,
#37. To: Vicomte13 (#35)
And therefore I oppose the death penalty as we administer it, because we kill the innocent. I could support the death penalty if we had the protections in place that God put into place when he instituted
#38. To: A K A Stone (#37)
Jesus didn't say that so you don't believe it. You said you don't believe the Bible. Another Vic hypocrisy.
#39. To: Vicomte13 (#38)
and Jesus DID say not to kill the innocent
#40. To: Vicomte13 (#38)
But it's true, we are not required to use those procedures. We DO, however, have to obey Jesus and not kill the innocent. Right now we kill the innocent, so I oppose the death penalty. You apparently don't like the Biblical standard, since you're attacking it (and attacking me for proposing it) - so you've knocked that out as a standard.
#41. To: Vicomte13 (#34)
Real world
#42. To: CZ82 (#27)
Back to washing dishes at his local ACLU clubhouse kitchen? HuffPo/DU forums?
#43. To: CZ82 (#27)
Some people have these little ploys they like to pull on other posters, I see it on every forum I've ever been on.
#44. To: GrandIsland, Vicomte13 (#28)
I’ll submit that he’s been that way since you’ve known him... and there are quite a few more that purposely hide the amount of LEFT in them...
#45. To: CZ82 (#29)
(Edited)
She's [Ortiz-Mao] just a good little drone for who knows who, someone is paying her way.
#46. To: GrandIsland (#30)
If I were a single dude, I’d... and cross those crazy eyeballs of hers...
#47. To: CZ82 (#31)
(Edited)
I normally don't do rants cause with a lot of folks that's just their way of attempting to baffle with bullschitt, short and sweet is better...
#48. To: Liberator (#47)
I meant "rant" is the most complimentary way.
#49. To: Liberator (#47)
And at the root of ALL of this alliance: HATRED for God and HIS laws.
#50. To: Liberator (#44)
There are some extremely confused posters here who want it both ways..
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