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Title: FAKE NEWS ARTICLE! No, the Trump Tower meeting was not 'totally legal'
Source: LA Times
URL Source: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-e ... conspiracy-20180806-story.html
Published: Aug 7, 2018
Author: HARRY LITMAN AND DAVID LIEBERMAN
Post Date: 2018-08-07 15:03:52 by Jameson
Keywords: conspiracy to, defraud the, United States
Views: 2430
Comments: 26

Exposing a longstanding lie blunt even by his standards, President Trump on Sunday confessed by tweet that the purpose of the June 9, 2016 Trump Tower meeting between his campaign and a Kremlin-linked lawyer was “to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics.”

It was left to his lawyer Jay Sekulow to try to clean up the mess. Addressing whether the meeting constituted a criminal violation, Sekulow told George Stephanopoulos on ABC’s “This Week” that “you have to look at what laws, rules, regulations, statutes are purportedly violated here.”

So let’s do that. Meeting with a foreign power to get assistance with a presidential campaign is not totally legal; special counsel Robert S. Mueller III almost certainly could indict Donald Trump Jr. today for what is publicly known about the meeting; and the president should be deeply concerned about his own liability.

Mueller’s February indictment of the Internet Research Agency, and associated Russian entities and individuals, charged a conspiracy to influence the election to damage Hillary Clinton, Sens. Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and support Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump — let’s call it an electioneering conspiracy. The indictment charged violations of 18 U.S. Code § 371 — conspiracy to commit an offense against, or to defraud United States.

The Trump Tower meeting clearly fits established definitions of “conspiracy to defraud the United States.”

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Poster Comment: It looks like Bad News Bears for dip-shit Jr

and of course if Mikey The Fixer talks......

Odds of us finding out if a sitting president can pardon himself: 2 to 1

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#18. To: Jameson, A K A Stone, Liberator, misterwhite, Justified (#0)

On the face of it, Trump Jr. was approached by a foreign government seeking to influence an American election. Trump Jr. welcomed the possibility of influence, and candidate Trump’s actions, while circumstantial, indicate that he intended to make use of that information. It is irrelevant, in conspiracy law, that Trump Jr. found the information ultimately worthless, or as Trump said, that “it went nowhere.”

On the face of it, Donald Trump, Jr. was approached by his acquaintance Rob Goldstone about an alleged offer of official information related to him by Emin who allegedly stated his father had met with the Crown prosecutor of Russia that morning. Of course, there is no King of Russia, and there is no Crown prosecutor of Russia.

On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Rob Goldstone wrote:

Good morning

Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.

What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

Best

Rob Goldstone

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Candidate Trump’s actions, while circumstantial, indicate that he intended to make use of that information.

What actions? What information? No information was provided. Veselnitskaya is a private attorney, and the Crown prosecutor of Russia does not exist. Emin Agalarov is a singer/songwriter. Aras Agalarov is a Russian businessman billionaire.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-08-07   22:28:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: nolu chan (#18)

Dip-Shit, Jr. was approached by his acquaintance Rob Goldstone about an alleged offer of official information related to him by Emin who allegedly stated his father had met with the Crown prosecutor of Russia that morning. Of course, there is no King of Russia, and there is no Crown prosecutor of Russia.

Your point is valid.

DSJR is obviously stupid, and was being compromised by Goldstone.

"...What information? ...?

In my opinion, the "information" was the hacked e-mails....but, it really doesn't matter, does it? The purpose of the meeting - from the perspective of the campaign - was to gain and utilize illegally obtained information.

Veselnitskaya is a private attorney, Emin Agalarov is a singer/songwriter. Aras Agalarov is a Russian businessman billionaire.

Sure. Believe what you wish.

The Russians intended to compromise and control DS45 and his entire corrupt family.

It looks like they were successful.

Jameson  posted on  2018-08-08   7:42:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jameson, A K A Stone (#23)

Veselnitskaya is a private attorney, Emin Agalarov is a singer/songwriter. Aras Agalarov is a Russian businessman billionaire.

Sure. Believe what you wish.

No, that is what a pathological blowhard, such as yourself, does. I am always willing to present facts and sources relied upon for my claims.

NATALIA VESELNITSKAYA - PRIVATE ATTORNEY

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/342118-homeland-security-confirms-special-entry-for-russian-lawyer

Homeland Security confirms special entry for Russian lawyer

By John Solomon and Jonathan Easley - 07/14/17 05:53 PM EDT

[excerpt]

The Homeland Security Department confirmed Friday that Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya was granted special entry to the United States on multiple occasions in 2015 and 2016 at the request of the Justice Department.

It also said Veselnitskaya eventually won a nonimmigrant work visa around the time she met President Trump’s eldest son in New York last summer.

Homeland told The Hill that Veselnitskaya was allowed to enter the United States on multiple occasions between September 2015 and February 2016 under a “Significant Public Benefit Parole” document requested by the Justice Department so she could participate in a court case for a client.

The request was done “in concurrence” with the U.S. attorney's office in New York City, which was enforcing a civil asset forfeiture case against Prevezon Holdings, a company owned by Russian businessman Denis Katsyv, whom Veselnitskaya represented as a private attorney in their home country.

[...]

A federal prosecutor in the U.S. Attorney's office in Manhattan told the court in a hearing in January 2016 that the “extraordinary circumstances” parole request needed to be approved by Attorney General Loretta Lynch.

[...]

In an interview with NBC News, Veselnitskaya stated her June trip involved lobbying against the Magnitsky Act and that she never had any dirt to share on Clinton.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalia_Veselnitskaya

[excerpt]

Education and career

Veselnitskaya has said that she graduated with distinction from the Moscow State Legal Academy in 1998. She attests that she was then employed by the prosecutor's office in Moscow Oblast, where she worked on legislation. She claims to have won over 300 legal cases. She then moved into private practice, focusing on land deals in the expanding Moscow suburbs.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/23/natalia-veselnitskaya-mueller-investigation-545588

Russian lawyer who met with top Trump campaign officials says Mueller hasn't contacted her

By LOUIS NELSON
Politico
04/23/2018 07:15 AM EDT

[excerpt]

The Russian attorney said Mueller’s team, which is investigating Russian efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and allegations that individuals tied to Trump colluded in those efforts, has not contacted her. If it does not, she said, it would be an indication that the special counsel’s office “is not working to discover the truth.”

https://www.businessinsider.com/ap-russian-lawyer-questions-why-mueller-hasnt-contacted-her-2018-4

[Excerpt]

The apparent lack of interest shown by Mueller's team in her testimony could be a sign the special counsel is not eager to find out what happened, Veselnitskaya told the AP in the interview in downtown Moscow.

"If Mueller's team is not working to discover the truth, they will never question me," she said.

[...]

The Senate Intelligence Committee approached Veselnitskaya earlier this year, but she refused to go the United States, saying she feared for her safety. The lawyer and the committee's investigators instead met in a Berlin hotel on March 26 and talked for three hours.

"That was essentially a monologue. They were not interrupting me," Veselnitskaya said. "They listened very carefully...Their questions were very sharp, pin-pointed."

The investigators mainly wanted to know about her 2016 meeting at Trump Tower. Veselnitskaya says she repeated her previous statements about it, insisting that she was not linked to the Russian government and merely wanted to discuss sanctions against Russia.

Veselnitskaya's said the Berlin interview also focused on information in memos compiled by a former British spy whose work was funded by the Democratic National Committee and Clinton's campaign. The dossier contains numerous allegations of Russian ties to Trump, his associates and the Trump campaign.

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ARAS AND EMIN AGALAROV - FATHER BILLIONAIRE, SON POP SINGER

https://www.forbes.com/profile/aras-agalarov/#1125e53b2133

#1339 Aras Agalarov

As of 8/8/18

REAL TIME NET WORTH
$1.7B

  • Aras Agalarov began his business journey bringing premium goods to Russia. He later pivoted to the development of luxury retail centers.

  • Now Agalarov owns more than ten large shopping centers, a concert hall, oceanarium and exhibition complex.

  • His company Crocus Group is the general contractor for two stadium projects that will be used at the 2018 FIFA World Cup.

  • Agalarov's son, Emin, helps his father in business; he moonlights as a pop singer.

  • Crocus City Hall hosted the Miss Universe finals in 2013. Donald Trump attended the ceremony and met with the Agalarovs.

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I SHOWED YOU MINE, YOU SHOW ME YOURS

In my opinion, the "information" was the hacked e-mails....but, it really doesn't matter, does it? The purpose of the meeting - from the perspective of the campaign - was to gain and utilize illegally obtained information.

The meeting could not have taken place without the kind cooperation of AG Loretta Lynch signing off on an extraordinary circumstances parole (visa) request, and private attorney Veselnitskaya met with Fusion GPS before and after the meeting. Fusion GPS was financed by the Hillary Clinton campaign with payments via the DNC and Perkins Coie. There is reason to believe it was a sting operation set up by the corrupt Clinton campaign and the corrupt Democrat party, along with Fusion GPS and Christopher Steele who were paid lots of money to write political fiction about golden showers and such, and funnel their fiction into the U.S. Intelligence information stream.

What basis is there to back up your opinion that the never seen information was hacked emails?

Who supposedly had these hacked emails? The non-existent Crown Prosecutor of Russia?

Wy would a real Russian source claim contact with the non-existent Crown Prosecutor of Russia?

The Russians intended to compromise and control DS45 and his entire corrupt family.

It looks like they were successful.

What is the factual basis underlying your claim that the Russians intended to compromise and control DS45?

What is the factual basis underlying your claim that the Russians were successful in compromising and controlling DS45?

What is it that makes it appear, to you, that the Russians are controlling DS45?

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