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Title: FAKE NEWS ARTICLE! No, the Trump Tower meeting was not 'totally legal'
Source: LA Times
URL Source: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-e ... conspiracy-20180806-story.html
Published: Aug 7, 2018
Author: HARRY LITMAN AND DAVID LIEBERMAN
Post Date: 2018-08-07 15:03:52 by Jameson
Keywords: conspiracy to, defraud the, United States
Views: 2425
Comments: 26

Exposing a longstanding lie blunt even by his standards, President Trump on Sunday confessed by tweet that the purpose of the June 9, 2016 Trump Tower meeting between his campaign and a Kremlin-linked lawyer was “to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics.”

It was left to his lawyer Jay Sekulow to try to clean up the mess. Addressing whether the meeting constituted a criminal violation, Sekulow told George Stephanopoulos on ABC’s “This Week” that “you have to look at what laws, rules, regulations, statutes are purportedly violated here.”

So let’s do that. Meeting with a foreign power to get assistance with a presidential campaign is not totally legal; special counsel Robert S. Mueller III almost certainly could indict Donald Trump Jr. today for what is publicly known about the meeting; and the president should be deeply concerned about his own liability.

Mueller’s February indictment of the Internet Research Agency, and associated Russian entities and individuals, charged a conspiracy to influence the election to damage Hillary Clinton, Sens. Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and support Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump — let’s call it an electioneering conspiracy. The indictment charged violations of 18 U.S. Code § 371 — conspiracy to commit an offense against, or to defraud United States.

The Trump Tower meeting clearly fits established definitions of “conspiracy to defraud the United States.”

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#14. To: Jameson, A K A Stone, Liberator, misterwhite, Justified (#0)

Meeting with a foreign power to get assistance with a presidential campaign is not totally legal; special counsel Robert S. Mueller III almost certainly could indict Donald Trump Jr. today for what is publicly known about the meeting; and the president should be deeply concerned about his own liability.

Meeting with a private attorney from Russia is not meeting with a foreign power.

Veselnitskaya's presence was unknown until she appeared and she is not, and she was not then (or later), held out to be a representative of Russia or any other foreign government.

BAIT AND SWITCH

Mueller’s February indictment of the Internet Research Agency, and associated Russian entities and individuals, charged a conspiracy to influence the election to damage Hillary Clinton, Sens. Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and support Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump — let’s call it an electioneering conspiracy. The indictment charged violations of 18 U.S. Code § 371 — conspiracy to commit an offense against, or to defraud United States.

This refers to an indictment of Internet Research Agency LLC, not Donald Trump, Jr. or any American entity.

United States v. INTERNET RESEARCH AGENCY LLC (1:18-cr-00032) District Court, District of Columbia.

The indictment is dated February 16, 2018.

INDICTMENT as to INTERNET RESEARCH AGENCY LLC (1) count(s) 1, 2, 3-8, CONCORD MANAGEMENT AND CONSULTING LLC (2) count(s) 1, CONCORD CATERING (3) count(s) 1, YEVGENIY VIKTOROVICH PRIGOZHIN (4) count(s) 1, MIKHAIL IVANOVICH BYSTROV (5) count(s) 1, MIKHAIL LEONIDOVICH BURCHIK (6) count(s) 1, ALEKSANDRA YURYEVNA KRYLOVA (7) count(s) 1, ANNA VLADISLAVOVNA BOGACHEVA (8) count(s) 1, SERGEY PAVLOVICH POLOZOV (9) count(s) 1, MARIA ANATOLYEVNA BOVDA (10) count(s) 1, ROBERT SERGEYEVICH BOVDA (11) count(s) 1, DZHEYKHUN NASIMI OGLY ASLANOV (12) count(s) 1, 2, 3-8, VADIM VLADIMIROVICH PODKOPAEV (13) count(s) 1, GLEB IGOREVICH VASILCHENKO (14) count(s) 1, 2, 3-8, IRINA VIKTOROVNA KAVERZINA (15) count(s) 1, 3-8, VLADIMIR VENKOV (16) count(s) 1, 3-8. (FORFEITURE ALLEGATION) (tl) (Entered: 02/16/2018)

It was a public relations stunt gone wrong when CONCORD MANAGEMENT AND CONSULTING LLC showed up by its American attorney and demanded discovery and a speedy trial. Mueller's team almost immediately requested a delay and has yet to effect service on anyone in that case but CONCORD MANAGEMENT AND CONSULTING LLC, who effected service by their appearance through their attorney.

Having appeared in court for the initial appearance and arraignment, Mueller's public relations stunt went off the rails when defendant CONCORD MANAGEMENT AND CONSULTING LLC unexpectedly appeared by their attorney. Mueller's team was completely unprepared to proceed to trial (so why were they there?) and requested a delay.

MOTION to Continue Initial Appearance and Arraignment by USA as to INTERNET RESEARCH AGENCY LLC, CONCORD MANAGEMENT AND CONSULTING LLC, CONCORD CATERING, YEVGENIY VIKTOROVICH PRIGOZHIN, MIKHAIL IVANOVICH BYSTROV, MIKHAIL LEONIDOVICH BURCHIK, ALEKSANDRA YURYEVNA KRYLOVA, ANNA VLADISLAVOVNA BOGACHEVA, SERGEY PAVLOVICH POLOZOV, MARIA ANATOLYEVNA BOVDA, ROBERT SERGEYEVICH BOVDA, DZHEYKHUN NASIMI OGLY ASLANOV, VADIM VLADIMIROVICH PODKOPAEV, GLEB IGOREVICH VASILCHENKO, IRINA VIKTOROVNA KAVERZINA, VLADIMIR VENKOV. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit A, # 2 Exhibit B, # 3 Exhibit C, # 4 Exhibit D, # 5 Text of Proposed Order)(Rhee, Jeannie) (Entered: 05/04/2018)

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18 U.S.C. § 371. Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States

https://law.justia.com/codes/us/2016/title-18/part-i/chapter-19/sec.-371/

§ 371. Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States

If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

If, however, the offense, the commission of which is the object of the conspiracy, is a misdemeanor only, the punishment for such conspiracy shall not exceed the maximum punishment provided for such misdemeanor.

Conspiracy to commit an offense requires the identification of some predicate offense. Said separate offense need not have been committed, but it must be identified, and some overt act to further the conspiracy to commit the act must have been taken.

Who conspired to commit what offense against the United States? What overt act was taken to further the conspiracy to commit the act?

Who conspired to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof? What overt act was taken to further the conspiracy to commit the act?

What is the criminal statute for talking to a private Russian attorney?

Did Fusion GPS, hired by the Democrats, enter into a criminal conspiracy?

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