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Title: Judge sued over refusal to OK transgender teens' new names
Source: Newser
URL Source: http://www.newser.com/article/aba36 ... ansgender-teens-new-names.html
Published: Aug 5, 2018
Author: MARK GILLISPIE, Associated Press
Post Date: 2018-08-05 14:42:02 by hondo68
Keywords: what restroom, locker room, e uses at school, Heidi, Jenna, Elliott, James
Views: 314
Comments: 15

CLEVELAND (AP) — An attorney for the mothers of three transgender teens in Ohio said in a federal lawsuit filed Friday that a county judge has shown a disturbing pattern and practice of not allowing transgender children to legally change their names, refusals that can prove harmful and violates their constitutional right to equal protection.

The lawsuit names Joseph Kirby, the Probate and Juvenile Court judge in Warren County near Cincinnati. Kirby's bailiff said Friday the judge was out of town and unavailable for comment.

Stephanie Whitaker, of Mason, sued on behalf of her 15-year-old son Elliott after Kirby in June refused to allow him to change his name from Heidi, saying he should come back when he turns 18. Jennifer Saul sued to protect her 15-year-old son James, who has a hearing Aug. 14 before Kirby to change his name from Jenna. A woman listed in the lawsuit as Jane Doe says her 17-year-old son fears that Kirby will reject his name change petition, which hasn't yet been filed.

All three teens have been receiving therapy and medical treatment for gender dysphoria with their doctors fully supporting their name changes.

The lawsuit said Kirby refused to grant two other transgender teens name changes this year because they are minors. The only approval for a transgender minor this year in Warren County came from a court magistrate.

"Forcing children to wait until they're 18 to change their names increases their risk of being outed and bullied, having violence perpetrated against them and having depressive symptoms," attorney Joshua Langdon said.

It's especially important for transgender children to be allowed to use their new names on their driver's licenses, school records and college applications, Langdon said. He added that studies show the more times transgender children are "dead named" — referred to by their birth names — the higher the risk of suicide attempts.

Legal name changes are routine, even for children, if they and their parents are in agreement, Langdon said.

"The only time the court is supposed to step in is if there's a disagreement among the parties," he said.

Langdon noted the inappropriateness and irrelevance of Kirby's questioning of Elliott Whitaker at his June hearing. A transcript shows that Kirby asked the teen about what restroom or locker room he uses at school and whether his transition has anything to do with his sexual interests. Kirby also wondered whether Caitlyn Jenner "set the stage" for people to change their genders.

Kirby's subsequent ruling on Elliott's case mirrored his previous refusals. He noted that judges must take the best interest of a child into consideration when deciding whether to allow a legal name change and wrote that he's not saying, "no," but "not yet," and to try again when he turns 18.

Langdon said he is not aware of any other federal lawsuits that have been filed over such refusals.

"We're trying to make sure that judges don't treat transgender teens differently on account of their gender identity," Langdon said.

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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)

We should be killing these oddities of narure... if I’ve gotta pay for their weaknesses.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-08-05   15:08:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: GrandIsland (#1)

These canary youth should stay out of the bathrooms and crap on police cars like they do in The Donald's hometown New York, New York.

hondo68  posted on  2018-08-05   19:11:30 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: hondo68 (#2)

A young high paultard... this is why they deserve the occasional beating when they resist.

lol

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-08-05   19:39:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: hondo68 (#0)

So she squirted out three defectives?
Nah. Sounds like brainwashing and child abuse to me.

Hank Rearden  posted on  2018-08-06   11:37:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: hondo68, GrandIsland (#2)

The Donald's hometown New York, New York.

The Donald's hometown is NOT New York, New York.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-08-06   16:10:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: nolu chan, Queens, Manhattan, NYC (#5)

The Donald's hometown is NOT New York, New York.

America's mayor Ruby knows New York, New York.

hondo68  posted on  2018-08-06   16:32:54 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: hondo68, GrandIsland, Hank Rearden (#0)

Stephanie Whitaker, of Mason, sued on behalf of her 15-year-old son Elliott after Kirby in June refused to allow him to change his name from Heidi, saying he should come back when he turns 18.

Stephanie Walker meant to say that Kirby declined to legally change her daughter Heidi's name to Elliott until she is an adult.

Jennifer Saul sued to protect her 15-year-old son James, who has a hearing Aug. 14 before Kirby to change his name from Jenna.

What Jennifer Saul meant is that Kriby declined to legally change her daughter Jenna's name to James until she is an adult.

A woman listed in the lawsuit as Jane Doe says her 17-year-old son fears that Kirby will reject his name change petition, which hasn't yet been filed.

What Jane Doe meant to say is that she is a nut case. She is suing over a decision that has not yet been made, pursuant to a petition that has not yet been filed.

Legal name changes are routine, even for children, if they and their parents are in agreement, Langdon said.

"The only time the court is supposed to step in is if there's a disagreement among the parties," he said.

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2717.01

Ohio Revised Code
Title [27] XXVII COURTS
GENERAL PROVISIONS
SPECIAL REMEDIES
Chapter 2717: CHANGE OF NAME

2717.01 Application to change name of person - notice.

(A)

(1) A person desiring a change of name may file an application in the probate court of the county in which the person resides. The application shall set forth that the applicant has been a bona fide resident of that county for at least one year prior to the filing of the application, the cause for which the change of name is sought, and the requested new name. The application shall require the applicant to state whether the applicant has been convicted of, pleaded guilty to, or been adjudicated a delinquent child for identity fraud or has a duty to comply with section 2950.04 or 2950.041 of the Revised Code because the applicant was convicted of, pleaded guilty to, or was adjudicated a delinquent child for having committed a sexually oriented offense or a child-victim oriented offense.

(2) Except as provided in division (A)(4) of this section, notice of the application shall be given once by publication in a newspaper of general circulation in the county at least thirty days before the hearing on the application. The notice shall set forth the court in which the application was filed, the case number, and the date and time of the hearing.

(3) Except as provided by division (C) of this section, upon proof that proper notice was given or that notice was waived under division (A)(4) of this section and proof that the facts set forth in the application show reasonable and proper cause for changing the name of the applicant, the court may order the change of name.

(4) If an applicant for a change of name submits to the court, along with the application described in division (A)(1) of this section, satisfactory proof that the publication of the notice under division (A)(2) of this section would jeopardize the applicant's personal safety, both of the following apply:

(a) The court shall waive the notice requirement.

(b) If the court orders the change of name under division (A)(3) of this section, the court shall order the records of the change of name proceeding to be sealed and to be opened only by order of the court for good cause shown or at the request of the applicant for any reason.

(B) An application for change of name may be made on behalf of a minor by either of the minor's parents, a legal guardian, or a guardian ad litem. When application is made on behalf of a minor, in addition to the notice and proof required pursuant to division (A) of this section, the consent of both living, legal parents of the minor shall be filed, or notice of the hearing shall be given to the parent or parents not consenting by certified mail, return receipt requested. If there is no known father of the minor, the notice shall be given to the person who the mother of the minor alleges to be the father. If no father is so alleged, or if either parent or the address of either parent is unknown, notice pursuant to division (A) of this section shall be sufficient as to the father or parent.

Any additional notice required by this division may be waived in writing by any person entitled to the notice.

(C)

(1) The court shall not order a change of name under division (A) of this section if the person applying for a change of name or for whom the application for a change of name is made has a duty to comply with section 2950.04 or 2950.041 of the Revised Code because the applicant or the person on whose behalf the application for a change of name is made was convicted of, pleaded guilty to, or was adjudicated a delinquent child for having committed a sexually oriented offense or a child-victim oriented offense.

(2) The court shall not order a change of name under division (A) of this section if the person applying for a change of name or for whom the application for a change of name is made has pleaded guilty to, been convicted of, or been adjudicated a delinquent child for committing a violation of section 2913.49 of the Revised Code unless the guilty plea, conviction, or adjudication has been reversed on appeal.

(3) As used in this division, "sexually oriented offense" and "child-victim oriented offense" have the same meanings as in section 2950.01 of the Revised Code.

Amended by 129th General AssemblyFile No.178, SB 160, §1, eff. 3/22/2013.

Amended by 129th General AssemblyFile No.29, HB 86, §1, eff. 9/30/2011.

Effective Date: 12-17-1986.

Ohio is one of the states that does not permit a petitioner to change the gender (sex) identity on their birth certificate.

Tarzan of Ohio can change his name to Jane, but his birth certificate will continue to identify him as male.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-08-06   17:05:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: hondo68 (#6)

America's mayor Ruby knows New York, New York.

Rudy's hometown is not New York, New York either.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-08-06   17:10:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: nolu chan (#8)

Born Rudolph William Louis Giuliani
May 28, 1944 (age 74)
New York City, New York, U.S.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Giuliani

East Flatbush/Brooklyn if you want to get picky, but it's officially New York, New York as noted above.

hondo68  posted on  2018-08-06   17:46:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: hondo68 (#9)

East Flatbush/Brooklyn if you want to get picky, but it's officially New York, New York as noted above.

You should not try to lecture someone native born to NYC about where New York, New York is. Your quote from Wikipedia does not say "New York, NY," which has a specific connotation different from New York City, New York.

New York City, NY is not used by someone from NYC.

Someone from NYC is either from Bronx, NY; Queens, NY; Staten Island, NY; Broooklyn, NY; or New York, NY.

NYC is made up of five boroughs and five counties, geographically the same. The Bronx/Bronx county
Queens/Queens county
Staten Island/Richmond county
Brooklyn/Kings county
Manhattan/New York county

NY, NY consists of four zip codes 10001, 10002, 10003 and 10004. Mail addressed to New York, NY goes to New York county only.

NY, NY is geographically identical to the borough of Manhattan. That also makes it geographically identical to the county of New York.

Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island, and the Bronx are four of the five parts of NYC, and are commonly referred to by their borough names. New York, NY, aka The City or just New York, is the fifth part.

When New Yorkers refer to The City, or New York (in context of the city), that is Manhattan. Go out on The Island to an LIRR station and ask for a ticket to New York and that most definitely means a ticket to Penn Station across from The Garden, and most definitely does not mean Flatbush station.

New York on Manhattan island was New York before the other boroughs (or counties) were annexed to become part of the incorporated city.

New York City vernacular uses the borough name for all but Manhattan.

NY, NY is that part of NYC which is the borough of Manhattan or county of New York only. Manhattan is New York or The City.

Nobody who was born and grew up in Brooklyn or Queens claims New York, NY as their hometown.

Some anonymous nobody writing about Rudy Giuliani in Wikipedia is not exactly a source about the terminology of NYC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VBt-7ox8KA

And just look how those folks from The City look down upon those Brooklyn girls riding the Downtown Train.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-08-06   21:41:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: nolu chan, hondo68 (#10)

New York City, NY is not used by someone from NYC.

Your continuing prattle is further evidence of sumthing to do based on an otherwise idle person. It is total BULLSHIT and designed to coverup your own posting error(s).

buckeroo  posted on  2018-08-06   22:12:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: nolu chan (#10) (Edited)

Nobody who was born and grew up in Brooklyn or Queens claims New York, NY as their hometown.

I was born in Queens (Jamaica) and NY is on my passport.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2018-08-06   22:36:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Fred Mertz (#12)

I was born in Queens (Jamaica) and NY is on my passport.

Now tell the truth, THE WHOLE TRUTH....

Your passport lists your place of birth as "New York. U.S.A."

Isn't that correct?

Other places of birth that appear on passports are:

Alabama. U.S.A.
Alaska. U.S.A.
Arizona. U.S.A.
Arkansas. U.S.A.

Perhaps you detect a pattern there.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-08-07   0:13:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: nolu chan, NYC snowflake syndrome, Fred Mertz, buckeroo (#13)

Perhaps you detect a pattern

Yes you're still a NYC snowflake like Bernie & Donald, but Fred has made a full recovery.

hondo68  posted on  2018-08-07   0:32:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: hondo68 (#14)

Yes you're still a NYC snowflake like Bernie & Donald, but Fred has made a full recovery.

I haven't lived in New York for over 50 years. Your chronic problem with truth and snowflake syndrome continues.

As for the pattern shown by Place of birth (POB) on U.S. passports, see 7 FAM 1320 Appendix D Birth in the United States, "a. You must use the POB as provided in 7 FAM 1371 Appendix D for persons born in the fifty states, the District of Columbia, U.S. Territories, and Outlying Possessions." The 7 FAM 1370 Appendix POB Table: United States provides that the POB for birth in New York state is "NEW YORK, U.S.A."

That NEW YORK refers to the state, not the city.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-08-07   11:36:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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