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Title: Americas Decade Of Decline
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American Conservative
URL Source: http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2009/12/28/americas-decade-of-decline/
Published: Dec 31, 2009
Author: Patrick James Buchanan
Post Date: 2009-12-31 12:41:06 by A K A Stone
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About the first decade of what was to be the Second American Century, the pessimists have been proven right. According to the International Monetary Fund, the United States began the century producing 32 percent of the world’s gross domestic product. We ended the decade producing 24 percent. No nation in modern history, save for the late Soviet Union, has seen so precipitous a decline in relative power in a single decade. The United States began the century with a budget surplus. We ended with a deficit of 10 percent of gross domestic product, which will be repeated in 2010. Where the economy was at full employment in 2000, 10 percent of the labor force is out of work today and another 7 percent is underemployed or has given up looking for a job. Between one-fourth and one-third of all U.S. manufacturing jobs have disappeared in 10 years, the fruits of a free-trade ideology that has proven anything but free for this country. Our future is being outsourced — to China. While the median income of American families was stagnant, the national debt doubled. The dollar lost half its value against the euro. Once the most self-sufficient republic in history, which produced 96 percent of all it consumed, the U.S.A. is almost as dependent on foreign nations today for manufactured goods, and the loans to pay for them, as we were in the early years of the republic. What the British were to us then, China is today. Beijing holds the mortgage and grows impatient as we endlessly borrow on equity and refuse to begin paying it down. The possibility exists of an eventual run on the dollar or even a U.S. debt default. Who did this to us? We did it to ourselves. We sold ourselves a lot of snake oil about the Global Economy, interdependence, free trade and “it doesn’t make any difference where goods are produced.” The George W. Bush Republicans ran up the deficit with tax cuts, two wars and a splurge in social spending to rival the guns-and-butter of the Great Society. Abandoning its role as the fellow who comes and takes away the punch bowl when the party’s getting good, the Fed kept the money flowing fast and free, creating the tech bubble that burst in Y2K and the stock and housing bubble that burst at decade’s end. To pull us back from the cliff’s edge, over which we were headed a year ago, the Fed doubled the money supply, while the administration ran up deficit spending to the highest level since World War II. Unlike World War II, however, there is no end in sight to these deficits. The stock market, which flat-lined over the decade, had to surge 50 percent in 2009 to retrieve the worst losses since the Depression. Everyone, it seems, except for Washington bureaucrats and Wall Street, for whom the bonuses never seem to stop, has been hammered by the sinking home values and shrinking portfolios. After Sept. 11, the nation was united behind a president as it had not been since Pearl Harbor. But instead of focusing on the enemies who did this to us, we took Osama bin Laden’s bait and plunged into a war in Iraq that bled and divided us, alienated Europe and the Arab world, and destroyed the Republican Party’s reputation as the reliable custodian of national security and foreign policy. The party paid — with the loss of both houses in 2006 and the presidency in 2008 — but the nation has not stopped paying. With nearly 200,000 troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and another 30,000 more on the way, al-Qaida is now in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and North Africa, while the huge U.S. military presence in Afghanistan and Iraq serves as its recruiting poster. Again, it is not a malevolent fate that has done this to us. We did it to ourselves. We believed all that hubristic blather about our being the “greatest empire since Rome,” the “indispensable nation” and “unipolar power” advancing to “benevolent global hegemony” in a series of “cakewalk” wars to “end tyranny in our world.” After a decade of self-delusion and self-indulgence, we must stop deceiving ourselves. As Hurricane Katrina demonstrated, the “can-do” nation that won World War II in Europe and the Pacific in less than four years, that put a man on the moon in the same decade JFK said we would, is history. We have a government that cannot balance its books, defend its borders or win its wars. And what is it now doing? Drafting another entitlement program as we are informed that the Social Security and Medicare trust funds have unfunded liabilities in the trillions. At the end of the first decade of the 21st century, the question is not whether we will preside over the creation of a New World Order, but whether America’s decline is irreversible.
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#12. To: lucysmom (#11)
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No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
My computer won't let me see the graphic.
So Kennedy was the responsible fookin rat-bastard? Democrud warmongers!
Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?
It works now.
A) Not only did he know about it he set John Mitchell and Maurice Stans off to raise the money to keep the burglars quiet. The tapes with his voice on it don't lie. HE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT BEFORE OR WHILE IT WAS HAPPENING. HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. B) Nixon campaigned on a secret plan to end the war which noone assumed meant that he was going to draw troops down while also escalating the war. Nixon had to draw troops back because of the Dim/Communist-controlled Congress. There was never anything to "win" in Viet Nam. Yet we had it won until that traitor Walter Cronkite went on tv and said we had lost.The PLA leadership even said they were going to make peace because their losses had been so horrendous and they had no hope of a military victory,and then Uncle Waltie spoke up on tv and said we had lost the war. Between him and the Dim communists in Congress they said that they knew they had just won the war politically,and all they had to do was hang tough.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
BTW,that part is 100% true,and most of the people getting rich were Dims.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
The plan is organized around seven principles: Kwanza? First, it offers every American an opportunity to obtain a balanced, comprehensive range of health insurance benefits; Second, it will cost no American more than he can afford to pay; Third, it builds on the strength and diversity of our existing public and private systems of health financing and harmonizes them into an overall system... LOL! Translation: "First,the check is in the mail. Secondly,I won't cum in your mouth."
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
That was mostly LBJ. JFK was dead and buried by the time it started to go bad,and Jackie Ho was off peddling her ass to a Greek toad.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
The words were Nixon's.
We've hashed this out before. He did not say that we had lost. He said that there was nothing to win and that the best we could hope for was a stalemate. Cronkite was hardly unique in his opinion. Support for the "war" had been a minority opinion since 1966. Both GOP and Dem potential nominees/candidates were lining up a whole year before TET to run for POTUS with ending the war as the lynchpin of their candidacy. Who, besides you, could forget Romney's incredible flip flop from support to opposition by claiming that his support was the result of "brainwashing"? I love you for your service sneak and I'll give quarter to your myopia as to what was playing out here while you were putting your life on the line but that was was never all that popular at the onset and continued to deteriorate long before the '68 election.
No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
The head of Bell Helicopter was not a dem...ditto McDonnell Douglas, North American Rockwell, and Fairchild-Republic. Brown Root was a different story...
No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
Check out the #5 horse in the 8th race at Fair Grounds today:
He did not say that we had lost. He said that there was nothing to win and that the best we could hope for was a stalemate. Translation: "Cronkite says we lost." Cronkite was hardly unique in his opinion. What was unique about "Uncle Walter" was being the talking head on the Communist News Service for so many years earned him the title of "The Most Trusted Man in America",and when he said it the sheeple believed it. He also knew he was lying. Support for the "war" had been a minority opinion since 1966. Both GOP and Dem potential nominees/candidates were lining up a whole year before TET to run for POTUS with ending the war as the lynchpin of their candidacy. "Ending the war" means different things to different people. To Cronkite and his leftist masters,it means surrendering to the communists and letting them take over. To me it mean defeating the communists,which we had pretty much done by the time Tet 68 was over. Who, besides you, could forget Romney's incredible flip flop from support to opposition by claiming that his support was the result of "brainwashing"? Who gives a flying rats ass what Romney or any other denizen of the communist north has to say about anything? that was was never all that popular at the onset and continued to deteriorate long before the '68 election. The ONLY two groups it was unpopular with were the college kids that were afraid of getting drafted,and the communist sympathizers like the Dim leadership. The protests STOPPED dead in the water the instant Nixon ended the draft,and after that it was only the communists in the US that were opposed to us fighting there. They were NEVER opposed to the communists fighting there or to the war itself.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
No,they were Dims in Republican clothing,known as "Country Club Republicans" at the time,and the daddy's of today's RINOs. They also paid off a lot of Dims to keep the war going before the Dim hard left took over control of the Party. We could have ended the war in 1965 if we had been serious about it by invading Hanoi and going after the leadership. We didn't,because as you said,"there is money to be made from war." It was true then,and it is still true now. Look at Boy Jorge and Bubba Barry for proof of this.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
The draft ended the same year that the war did....1973...doh. That said, the war was unpopular across every demographic save one...men aged which was white men aged 40-60. IN 1967, Gallup reported that 56% of the American people believed that the war was lost or at an impasse. To blame Cronkite is a misstatement of history.
No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
The war didn't end until 1975,and it was still going when the draft ended in 73. To blame Cronkite is a misstatement of history. To give him all the blame would be,but you have to be as partisan and blind as a bat to say he had no influence on the pressure put on Congress to sign a peace treaty,ANY peace treaty.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Huh? You gettin' senile? The peace accord was signed in late January of '73 and the US was out by the end of March.
No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
Again, huh? Congress doesn't sign a peace treaty. And the terms that NV offered Nixon in 1969 were the terms that we accepted in 1973. The only thing that was ever going to be accomplished in VietNam was a body count.
No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
And thus why I continue to be puzzled by your hatred of Walter Cronkite.
No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
So,you think the war was between the Vietnamese and the US?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Congress doesn't sign a peace treaty. Are you trying to claim Congress has no influence on treaties,or that their ability to shut down funding has no effect if they don't get their way? And the terms that NV offered Nixon in 1969 were the terms that we accepted in 1973. Yes,and prior to Cronkites report after Tet of 68 the NVN thought they had lost the war because of the ass-beating they got,and they were ready to sue for peace. Then Cronkite and the Communists in the Dim Party got involved in it,and they said they changed their minds because they knew they had won the war politically that they could never win militarily. The only thing that was ever going to be accomplished in VietNam was a body count. And the body count only soared after we pulled out. The only thing that was ever going to be accomplished in VietNam was a body count.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
You mean other than the fact that the cocksucker was a traitor and a liar?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Yep. Sorry...but yea...it was...
No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
They knew that they were going to get an ass beating. They didn't care. What they did know what that the cumulative lies being told by the US government to the US citizenry were going to be exposed. Never in hell did the US governmenrt prepare us for the fact that the NVA and VC were capable of attacking every major city and port in the South. The outcome of the battles were always going to be moot. Did you hear about what happened in Afghanistan over the last couple of days? Think RVN and 1962...
No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
Yep. Sorry...but yea...it was... ROFLMAO! It was between the communist north and the non-communist south,and it started when the north invaded the south. We had signed a treaty to come to the aid of the south if it were invaded,and that's why we went there. We did NOT invade,we were asked to come to South VN by the government there. Not surprising you don't know this,though.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
They didn't care. Well,yeah,they DID. In fact,according to none other than themselves,they expected the people of South Vietnam to rise up and support them. What they did know what that the cumulative lies being told by the US government to the US citizenry were going to be exposed. Oh,BullBarack! You know NOTHING about the reality of the VN war,or the history associated with it. Your entire knowledge base was given to you by communist teachers teaching spin,not fact. Never in hell did the US governmenrt prepare us for the fact that the NVA and VC were capable of attacking every major city and port in the South. Guess,what? They didn't. They did attack the major cities in the south,though. Which doesn't mean they took them all over. Despite the lies told by Cronkite and the others,they didn't even take over the US Embassy in Saidon. The outcome of the battles were always going to be moot. Not really. They got their asses handed to them,and even they admit it. Did you hear about what happened in Afghanistan over the last couple of days? Think RVN and 1962... You mean the incident where the mother of 3 was the CIA station chief and the one making the decisions on the ground there? The affirmative action bitch died as a result of her ignorance and lust for glory. It's just a damn shame she had to take others with her.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
You're relying on Giap? First off, he opposed Tet because he believed that the NVA and VC WOULD get their asses handed to them and as a strategic rather than tactical thinker of course he was going to oppose anything that would cost him a massive amount of troops. Secondly, his opinion is not supported by any of the other NV officials who have spoken about Tet and who insisted that the psychological impact would be immeasurable. As for the embassy...it WAS overrun but I never heard it reported or in doing historical research that it was reported to have been taken over. Oh,BullBarack! You know NOTHING about the reality of the VN war,or the history associated with it. Your entire knowledge base was given to you by communist teachers teaching spin,not fact. Well that's plain wrong...I appear to know far more than you do. And what happened in Afghanistan is that the legislative body there refused to confirm Karachi's cabinet appointments. So...we have a corrupt election and a reluctance of "opposition" to sanction the installed government...how long before the CIA asks Obama if they can take Karachi out by promising Obama that doing so will make everything better?
No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
You're relying on Giap? Silly me. What the hell did General Giap know? First off, he opposed Tet because he believed that the NVA and VC WOULD get their asses handed to them Part of the PLAN was to have the VC leadership and cadres killed off so the north would have no trouble with locals when they went to take over. and as a strategic rather than tactical thinker of course he was going to oppose anything that would cost him a massive amount of troops. He didn't give a rabid rats ass how many of them would die,as long as they would win. Secondly, his opinion is not supported by any of the other NV officials who have spoken about Tet and who insisted that the psychological impact would be immeasurable. No,they insisted the psychological impact would be immesaurable on the citizens of SVN,and they would see the north winning and rise up to join them. THIS is what would cause the US forces to leave,not the mere fact they had attacked. As for the embassy...it WAS overrun but I never heard it reported or in doing historical research that it was reported to have been taken over. I remember hearing it was "taken over" on the news. Well that's plain wrong...I appear to know far more than you do. Appearances can be deceiving. And what happened in Afghanistan is that... ...we had no business remaining there after removing the Taliban from power and killing off their leadership,and that it is none of our business what type of government they have as long as they aren't a threat to the US. This whole "installing democracy" BullBarack drives me nuts because everybody,including the supposedly over-educated talking heads on tv and our own elected officials nod their heads wisely when it is mention,and WE AIN'T EVEN A DEMOCRACY!
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I've seen nothing nor have I found anything that this had any impact in their thinking...
No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
Giap was 100% against Tet. He was dead set against because he refused to consider any aspect of the plan beyond the number of troops killed. The NV leadership cared less about the # of troops lost of they were successful in their incursions...and, let's face it, Khe Sahn kept Tet in the news for a looooong time...
No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
Goldilocks didn't hit the board at Fair Grounds yesterday.
What the hell did Khe Sahn have to do with it? It was a Marine base,not a city.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Say good night Gracie...Khe Sanh was a provincial capital. Quong Tri, IIRC...
No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
Bummer...
No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
Say good night Gracie...Khe Sanh was a provincial capital. Quong Tri, IIRC... DAYUM! It was the Marine Base at Khe Sahn that was in the news for months because of the repeated shelling and other attacks that had it under seige for months,not Quang Tri or any other city.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Correct...but it was a base not in the middle of nowhere...
No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need...
Actually,it was when it was built. US military bases in 3rd world countries tend to have cities grow up around them as the natives show up to provide goods and services,including labor. I talked with somebody that went there maybe 10 years ago,and he says there is nothing there now and you can't tell from looking that anything was ever there.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
So, SP, do you think the US is in a state of decline? I'm almost afraid to ask as everyone I've posted to so far seems to run away and not answer. Hope you aren't as easily scared away as the rest. lol
Absolutely. I'm not happy about saying that,but there it is. We have been in a state of decline ever since Reagan left office. It's been one loser after another ever since,and I am sorry to say I have no reasonable expectation that anything will change in 2012. Hope you aren't as easily scared away as the rest. lol I usually am because it's not my nature to speak my mind,but I'll make an exception this one time,just for you.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Me, too. Things are on a downward spiral.
Awww..well thank you. I'm flattered.
#13. To: war (#12)
#14. To: war (#9)
Sneak you are a true hero but you were put into a meat grinder so that any number of American corporations could simply stay in business not only courtesy of your blood but of taxpayer dollars. There was never anything to "win" in Viet Nam.
#15. To: war (#12)
#16. To: war (#9)
#17. To: war (#9)
any number of American corporations could simply stay in business not only courtesy of your blood but of taxpayer dollars.
#18. To: lucysmom (#10)
#19. To: Ibluafartsky (#14)
So Kennedy was the responsible fookin rat-bastard? Democrud warmongers!
#20. To: sneakypete (#18)
#21. To: sneakypete (#16)
(Edited)
Yet we had it won until that traitor Walter Cronkite went on tv and said we had lost.
#22. To: sneakypete (#17)
#23. To: war (#22)
#24. To: war (#21)
#25. To: war (#22)
The head of Bell Helicopter was not a dem...ditto McDonnell Douglas, North American Rockwell, and Fairchild-Republic. Brown Root was a different story...
#26. To: sneakypete (#25)
The protests STOPPED dead in the water the instant Nixon ended the draft
#27. To: war (#26)
The draft ended the same year that the war did....1973...doh.
#28. To: sneakypete (#27)
The war didn't end until 1975
#29. To: sneakypete (#27)
To give him all the blame would be,but you have to be as partisan and blind as a bat to say he had no influence on the pressure put on Congress to sign a peace treaty,ANY peace treaty.
#30. To: sneakypete (#25)
We didn't,because as you said,"there is money to be made from war."
#31. To: war (#28)
Huh? You gettin' senile? The peace accord was signed in late January of '73 and the US was out by the end of March.
#32. To: war (#29)
#33. To: war (#30)
And thus why I continue to be puzzled by your hatred of Walter Cronkite.
#34. To: sneakypete (#31)
So,you think the war was between the Vietnamese and the US?
#35. To: sneakypete (#32)
es,and prior to Cronkites report after Tet of 68 the NVN thought they had lost the war because of the ass-beating they got
#36. To: war (#34)
So,you think the war was between the Vietnamese and the US?
#37. To: war (#35)
#38. To: sneakypete (#37)
(Edited)
In fact,according to none other than themselves,they expected the people of South Vietnam to rise up and support them.
#39. To: war (#38)
#40. To: sneakypete (#39)
No,they insisted the psychological impact would be immesaurable [sic] on the citizens of SVN,and they would see the north winning and rise up to join them. THIS is what would cause the US forces to leave,not the mere fact they had attacked.
#41. To: sneakypete (#39)
What the hell did General Giap know?
#42. To: war (#41)
#43. To: war (#41)
.and, let's face it, Khe Sahn kept Tet in the news for a looooong time...
#44. To: sneakypete (#43)
What the hell did Khe Sahn have to do with it? It was a Marine base,not a city.
#45. To: Fred Mertz (#42)
#46. To: war (#44)
What the hell did Khe Sahn have to do with it? It was a Marine base,not a city.
#47. To: sneakypete (#46)
It was the Marine Base at Khe Sahn that was in the news for months because of the repeated shelling and other attacks that had it under seige for months,not Quang Tri or any other city.
#48. To: war (#47)
Correct...but it was a base not in the middle of nowhere...
#49. To: sneakypete (#48)
#50. To: 3-Dee (#49)
So, SP, do you think the US is in a state of decline?
#51. To: sneakypete (#50)
Absolutely. I'm not happy about saying that,but there it is.
#52. To: sneakypete (#50)
I usually am because it's not my nature to speak my mind,but I'll make an exception this one time,just for you.
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