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Title: Lauren Southern: Thrown Out Of Sydney No Go Zone
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Published: Jul 27, 2018
Author: Lauren Southern
Post Date: 2018-07-27 15:46:49 by Justified
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Wow. Great work by Laura Southern. If not for the few Lauren Southerns who are hands-on exposing what's going on in the West, we would NOT know that Sydney Australia, London England, Paris France, and Detroit MI all use government and law enforcement to VIOLATE standing law to sanction AND enforce Sharia Law. IN WESTERN CITIES, IN WESTERN NATIONS! This means the governments of Australia, Britain, France, and the USA are all complicit legalizing Sharia's Mooslem criminality, rape, slavery, and pedophilia. So...Why isn't THIS yuge news? Where is the outrage that has instead been reserved for President Trump? Oh that's right -- the Mainstream Media like the New York Times, CNN, MSNBC, and yes, even FOX News are somehow all ordered NOT to mention Sharia Law is taking over cities and towns. We can of course merely "follow the money". OR also consider that for the fascist Left and their monopoly of "News" sources and truth, "The Enemy of My Enemy is my Friend". And for the Left, Islam is an ally against Christianity, Western Civ's (dying) liberties, and Capitalism.
She is brave and smart well beyond her years. She is what Regressives fear the most. A smart well informed person who can communicate and think while debating.
She is very courageous. And principled. She is what Regressives fear the most. A smart well informed person who can communicate and think while debating. Exactly. And for that she is on their "LIST". All Conservatives who can articulate our message and the concept of "Freedom" and "Truth" is their enemy. "Regressives" is much closer to their group ID. Colleges are THE hotbeds for Regressive Insanity. These dopey kids (or in many cases, their Regressive parental units) are paying $20k+ per year NOT to learn any discernible skill or vocation for the new labor force. They don't even know the English language while their people-skills are atrocious.
Does this mean that if we do not comply with Sharia Law (in the future) and it is enforced by government edict that we are violating Romans 13? Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Gatlin would have you believe that not submitting to government authorities in all cases is tantamount to disobeying God
Don't even get me started with their (lack of) simple math skills and legible penmanship. I work with several 20-sometings and its really mind-boggling to see their lack of basic common sense.
The "Common Sense" deficit is the scariest thing. Yup.
All I did was post Romans 13 King James Version (KJV). I shall do so again. 1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. 6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. 8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. 12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. 13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying. 14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof. But what does the Bible say about twisting God’s word? Let’s find out: I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. For your obedience is known to all, so that I rejoice over you, but I want you to be wise as to what is good and innocent as to what is evil. The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. What do you think it means?
If/when Sharia Law becomes the Law of The Land and is enforced by government edict - are we disobeying God when we disobey the gooberment? How about if/when primae noctis becomes law. Are we wrong to disobey it? Did Elijah violate God's principle of submission to authority when he openly challenged Ahab and Jezebel? Did David violate God's principle of submission to authority when he refused to surrender to Saul's troops? Did Daniel violate God's principle of submission to authority when he disobeyed the king's law to not pray audibly to God? Did the three Hebrew children violate God's principle of submission to authority when they refused to bow to the image of the state? Did John the Baptist violate God's principle of submission to authority when he publicly scolded King Herod for his infidelity? Did Simon Peter and the other Apostles violate God's principle of submission to authority when they refused to stop preaching on the streets of Jerusalem? Did Paul violate God's principle of submission to authority when he refused to obey those authorities that demanded he abandon his missionary work? In fact, Paul spent almost as much time in jail as he did out of jail. ****** Did the Americans who led the Revolution against the British violate God's principle of submission? Romans 13: Setting It Straight It is more than interesting that some 95% of the 14,000 evangelical churches that graced the German landscape during Hitler’s rise to power bought into the identical misinterpretation of Romans 13 that the vast majority (probably at least 95%) of the 300,000 evangelical churches that grace America’s landscape have bought into today. For example, one German pastor in 1933 gushed, “Christ has come to us through Hitler.” In like manner, many pastors today foolishly preach that God directs us through our President (whoever he is), or our Supreme Court, or virtually any other government agency. And speaking of the ignominious infatuation with government by Nazi-era German clergymen, Erwin Lutzer, in his brilliant book, “Hitler’s Cross”, wrote, “The swastika meant more to some pastors than did the Cross.” And there is absolutely no question that many pastors in America today place far more value on the US flag (symbolizing to them the power and authority of the state) than they do the Cross of Christ or the teachings and authority of the Holy Scriptures.
I don't comply with it now and have no intention of complying with it in the future. I'm old and bored,so things might get interesting if they decide to come here and arrest me for not complying.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Bullshit, and I would like the US, NZ and Canada to keep its racist, xenophobic rabble rousers out of my country. This little bitch came here not for a speaking tour but to get in the face of Muslims. We have generally peaceful relations with Muslims in our nation and we would like it to stay that way. So if we throw them out we are not against free speech but enforcing our hate speech laws
Are you sure about this? Is it a FACT....Really? If the Apostle Paul did spend almost as much time in jail as he did out of jail, as you say is a fact....then the Apostle Paul only lived to be 11 or 12 years old. Why do I say this? Because the During his ministry the apostle Apostle Paul spent about a total of 5 1/2 to 6 years in jail. Do you ever....EVER....fact check ANYTHING you post? Or do you always just blindly copy and paste? I’ll go with the latter.
She's a Canukistani from Surrey BC. If President Trump was serious about only allowing the best to enter America, he'd deport her NOW! I wonder if she's a registered DACA "Dream Student"? If so Trump will be granting her amnesty along with millions of illegal aliens. He'll sign the amnesty bill because he's an open borders globalist, like Bush & Obama.
Does Paul in Romans 13:1-7 argue that the civil government of this world has legitimate authority over the people of God? We believe that the obedient, called-out people of God are not bound to obey manmade civil governments. God's people are answerable to God above all else and are bound by His commands. Exactly my point.
For Posting Comment Does Paul in Romans 13:1-7 argue that the civil government of this world has legitimate authority over the people of Go?We believe that the obedient, called-out people of God are not bound to obey manmade civil governments. God's people are answerable to God above all else and are bound by His commands. Exactly my point. Hey, that’s my point....I posted it.
Excellent post.
So down under you do not believe in free speech but fear of being beaten up by bullies? So they moslems have basically taken Australia territory and you are okay with this? So what if Nazi's came and took territory for their little world?
Don't peddle that bullshit here. We don't allow hate speech, we don't consider sedition and rabble rousing free speech. This is a free country where people live freely together. Our Muslim population, about 2%, is basically peaceful, and we would like to keep it that way. No way I tolerate Islamic terrorism but I don't tolerate international rabble rousers either. Want to get in the face of Muslims, go to the Middle East and peddle your bullshit there
That is a liberal made up term to impose limitts on your freedoms. You don't live in a free country. You are quite defensive about it. Kind f like a slave who mist obey his master.
As I said don't peddle your bullshit here, I don't live in a police state, I don't need a gun to defend myself, the cops are not likely to break down my door on a pretext. I like feeding your liberal bullshit back to you, you don't live in a free country, more people are incarcerated in your country than anywhere else, you have one gun for every member of the population and you call this liberty, I call it tyranny
You still don't live in a free country. You do live in a beautiful country. It's a shame you're kind of dumb.
Really because you are not allowed to go on public street in your own land. That's part of free speech. And another thing they are not "basically peaceful" if you are not allowed to act normal around them. We are not talking cusing pulling out your Johnson and swinging it around. Im talking walking down the street in normal close carrying a bible and wearing cross or cross of David wearing a beanie hat. You have concede a portion of your land to the most hateful people on earth. Equal to only Regressives in hate and intolerance. Moslems are just gang bangers with religious protections! Sooner you get this the sooner you can fix it!
It is free from the bullshit you have to put up with, we like it that way
really you are an idiot, aren't you. Of course I can walk safely down any public street. As to "free speech" I am not allowed to racially reveil anyone without consequence, nor am I allowed to persecute anyone because of their religion. We suffer fools poorly, which maybe why we find americans obnoxious
Lets see you walk down "their" street wearing jewish garb and chanting jewish songs. Even full out Christian garb asking if anyone wants to covert and see what happens. Either you are a western culture or not. You can not be multicultural because it does not exist. So again you have allowed yourself to be conquered and given up your land to people who will only take and take more until they kick you off your land. Isn't Regressivism great!!!/s
OMG you guys are really screwed up down under! What the hell happen? Regressives take over the government?
Don't judge us by Victoria, if ever there was a screwed up part of the country it is Victoria. The result of too much progressive government. They have real problems of violence stemming from racial groups. Migration gone mad, Sudanese gangs roam the streets, Mafia, police violence. Maybe they are just trying to be like America while the rest of us are trying to get on with our life in this sun soaked place away from the gloom of Melbourne
Let's see you take your own advice. What is jewish garb? what is Christian garb? the only odd garb we see around here is Muslim garb
Am I the only one that thinks the cop she is talking with looks to be of Muddle-Eastern descent?
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
So Australia doesn't allow free speech? You must be VERY proud!
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Either you are a western culture or not. You can not be multicultural because it does not exist. So again you have allowed yourself to be conquered and given up your land to people who will only take and take more until they kick you off your land. Isn't Regressivism great!!!/s WELL SAID!
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Man I feel like I'm in some kind of crazy tv twilight show that never ends! Either 30% of the population is crazy(maybe so jealous they can not see straight) or they are naturally self destructive.
I am proud my nation doesn't allow idiots like Southern to stir up trouble. This is Australia and we don't have your notions of freedom where any idiot can rabble rouse, but then we have less rabble to rouse than you do
Either 30% of the population is crazy(maybe so jealous they can not see straight) or they are naturally self destructive. I'm not sure that many of them are smart enough to qualify as insane.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Yeah,I know,and you are ignorant enough to brag about it like it's a good thing.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I'm am neither ignorant or a braggart, that territory is taken by americans
Yes why have reason and law when you can have chaos and no go zones paid for by hard working citizens of western culture? I know you would rather have hordes of "Diverse cultures" (not the same as "diverse races" under one culture) where good honest citizens must hide from to keep from being murdered, raped and assaulted. Well done Regressives!
You are so clueless you are even ignorant about being a braggart.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
#2. To: Liberator (#1)
#3. To: Justified (#2)
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#4. To: Liberator, Gatlin (#1)
This means the governments of Australia, Britain, France, and the USA are all complicit legalizing Sharia's Mooslem criminality, rape, slavery, and pedophilia.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.
#5. To: Liberator (#3)
They don't even know the English language while their people-skills are atrocious.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.
#6. To: Deckard (#5)
#7. To: Deckard (#4)
Gatlin would have you believe that not submitting to government authorities in all cases is tantamount to disobeying God
Nah, I will have you believe no such thing. Romans 13 King James Version (KJV)
You can read that and do what you want to. Romans 16:17-20 ESV
I found that verse extremely interesting, Deckard.
#8. To: Gatlin (#7)
1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.
#9. To: Deckard (#4)
Does this mean that if we do not comply with Sharia Law (in the future) and it is enforced by government edict that we are violating Romans 13?
#10. To: Liberator (#1)
the Mainstream Media like the New York Times, CNN, MSNBC, and yes, even FOX And for the Left, Islam is an ally against Christianity, Western Civ's (dying) liberties, and Capitalism.
#11. To: Deckard (#8)
1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
If/when Sharia Law becomes the Law of The Land and is enforced by government edict - are we disobeying God when we disobey the gooberment?
It’s the same as I said with Romans 13 ...you can read that and do what you want to. How about if/when primae noctis becomes law.
Same answer. Are we wrong to disobey it?
Same answer. Did Moses violate God's principle of submission to authority when he killed the Egyptian taskmaster in defense of his fellow Hebrew?
Moses did what he wanted to do. Did Elijah violate God's principle of submission to authority when he openly challenged Ahab and Jezebel?
Elijah did what he wanted to do. Did Elijah violate God's principle of submission to authority when he openly challenged Ahab and Jezebel?
Elijah did what he wanted to do. Did David violate God's principle of submission to authority when he refused to surrender to Saul's troops?
David did what he wanted to do. Did Daniel violate God's principle of submission to authority when he disobeyed the king's law to not pray audibly to God?
Daniel did what he wanted to do. Did the three Hebrew children violate God's principle of submission to authority when they refused to bow to the image of the state?
The three Hebrew children did what they wanted to do. Did John the Baptist violate God's principle of submission to authority when he publicly scolded King Herod for his infidelity?
John did what he wanted to do. Did Simon Peter and the other Apostles violate God's principle of submission to authority when they refused to stop preaching on the streets of Jerusalem?
Simon Peter did what he wanted to do. Did Paul violate God's principle of submission to authority when he refused to obey those authorities that demanded he abandon his missionary work?
Paul did what he wanted to do. In fact, Paul spent almost as much time in jail as he did out of jail.
Paul didn’t what to do that. Did the Americans who led the Revolution against the British violate God's principle of submission?
The Americans did what they wanted to do. Get a grip and really understand Romans 13:1-7. How are we going to overcome Romans 13?
What was Apostle Paul really saying?
The best way to bring understanding on Romans 13 is to ask, "Who was apostle Paul writing to at Rome?"
The answer is found at Romans 1:7: Paul was writing to all those in Rome who are "beloved of God, called to be saints." He was not writing to the general population at Rome. He was specifically addressing the "called out ones," the Body of Christ.
If apostle Paul was advocating obedience to secular authorities, then Caesar would have no cause against him. Why would Caesar have Paul beheaded if he was promoting obedience to Rome?
The world loves its own. If Paul belonged to Caesar, Caesar would not want to kill his own. If Paul was promoting "be subject to Caesar," then Paul would be Caesar's friend. You would not kill your own. You don't destroy the very instrument that advertises for you.
The truth is that Apostle Paul was beheaded for promoting a rival government known as the Kingdom of God or the Kingdom of Heaven. Already this new government was turning the world upside down. Caesar had Paul killed to help stop this threat to Rome's power.
If Romans 13 does not mean "obey the State," what does it mean? Romans 13 means, "Remember them which have the rule over you," as you will also find at Hebrews 13:7. Since Paul was addressing the saints at Rome, it is logical that he would instruct them to submit to those who look after their souls. It is a reminder to be obedient to the authorities God has placed over His people. For they are truly the "ministers of God to thee for good." Unlike worldly rulers, God's ministers are not a terror to good works but to the evil. Therefore, "do that which is good and thou shalt have praise of the same."
Powers Not Ordained By God
Romans 13 is probably the most devastating thing to a Christian in the hands of the ungodly. It sounds so convincing to obey those who appear to be in power. For too long, secular governments have used Romans 13 as a club to beat Christians into obedience to them. Just because a group maintains power through their guns and jails, does not mean God put them there.
God said there are powers not ordained by Him at Hosea 8:4, "They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not."
God didn't put them in power over the righteous. That's Satan's idea. The righteous don't need worldly, filthy authorities, which are no authorities at all. Do you think that they can instruct the righteous? They themselves steal. They themselves are perverts. And they presume to instruct the righteous? I don't think so.
Secular Governments Persecuted Paul
Apostle Paul had many troubles with worldly rulers. He was given 39 stripes five times by the Jews, beaten with rods three times, in perils by his own countrymen and by the heathen, and frequently in prison. (See 2 Corinthians 11:23-26). In Damascus the governor kept the city of the Damascenes with a garrison, desiring to apprehend Paul. "And through a window in a basket was I let down by the wall, and escaped his hands," wrote Paul at 2 Corinthians 11:32. That is the same Paul that wrote Romans 13. He was forced to flee from the civil authorities, those "powers that be" that people say are ordained of God. Sorry folks, this does not compute. When Paul says, "the powers that be," he is saying the powers that be powers, are ordained of God. In other words, the only true powers are those that God ordains.
The crux of the matter is this, Does Paul in Romans 13:1-7 argue that the civil government of this world has legitimate authority over the people of God? We believe that the obedient, called-out people of God are not bound to obey manmade civil governments. God's people are answerable to God above all else and are bound by His commands. At the same time, God's people are not to use their liberty as a cloak to do evil, to foment rebellion or waste time trying to influence the politics of the governments of this world. Furthermore, we believe Paul in Romans 13:1-7 is referring to the spiritual leaders of the Body of Christ, not the civil authorities of this world.
If Paul is saying, "Obey the civil authorities," then he has a conflict in his life. Is Paul promoting Caesar or separating from Caesar? If Paul is promoting Caesar, there is no way I want Paul in my Bible. He can't work for Caesar and Jesus Christ. Caesar already has his writings, they are called "revised statutes" or the "law of the land." You can have them if you want. I would rather have God's Word. Actually that which is called the "law of the land," is the law of the devil. The term is used in the U.S. Constitution, where men claim that their laws are the supreme law of the land (See U.S. Constitution, Article VI).
Supreme Law of the Land
"Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets" (Matthew 22:36-40). Do you know what that represents to a Christian? These two commands are the Supreme Law of the Land. If you believe that something else is the supreme law of the land for a Christian, someone has deceived you. It was a thief who drew you away from the true Supreme Law of the Land (see John 10:8).
If you have the two great commandments, how much allegiance do you have left for the worldly rulers of this dark age? Let me tell you, you have ZERO allegiance to Satan and his agents. All your time is spent "loving God" and "loving neighbor," and there is no room left over for obeying Satan and his minions.
And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. 1 John 5:19
Submitting to the King of Heaven
As true followers of Jesus, we are led by the Spirit and our lives reflect the fact that we belong to another kingdom, the Kingdom of Heaven. Our stay on earth is only transitory. As citizens of Heaven, we are bound to submit and pledge allegiance to the King of Heaven and His government over us. We are not bound to obey the government of some nation just because we happen to be living within their so- called "borders."
Remember, "The earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof" (1 Corinthians 10:26). Yet there is a pack of thieves out there who have divided up the earth and perverts are ruling over it. And they are doing it at the egging on of Satan himself.
Romans 13 has been wrongly interpreted by ruling secular governments to mean a Christian must submit to them. This misinterpretation forms a powerful weapon to neutralize and misdirect the power of God's Kingdom.
As the followers of Jesus Christ, we belong to another Kingdom, the Kingdom of Heaven. The Kingdom has its own government, its own laws, and its own leaders. Apostle Paul was not commanding us in Romans 13 to submit to the civil authorities of the kingdoms of this world. He was commanding us to submit to the authority of God's leaders who oversee the "called-out ones."
It is a fallacy that Paul was commanding Christians at Rome to submit to the secular government. It is time that Christ's followers renounce their allegiance to the ever- changing governments of men. They must set an example that there is a higher and more perfect form of government, the Kingdom of Heaven.
Of course there will be consequences. Jesus was brought to Pilate to be crucified on charges of "perverting the nation, and forbidding to give tribute to Caesar, saying that he himself is Christ a King" (Luke 23:2). We, too, must be willing to sacrifice even our very lives to proclaim God's sovereign rulership over us.
Loyalty and Obedience to Christ
When we boldly declare that we belong to God's Kingdom, we are left with no choice but to trust God for His provision in the face of a hostile world. We quickly learn that our safety is in our obedience. To trust in carnal weapons and physical force is vanity. We serve a living God. He is well able to make a way for us regardless of how much the modern day Nebuchadnezzar's rage and threaten to destroy us.
Christians are in no way bound by the Scriptures to obey and support the manmade governments of this world. We are bound to live peaceably with all men to the greatest degree possible. Yet our loyalty, allegiance, and obedience must always be found at the feet of Christ. Our goal is to see souls brought to Christ. The more fully we separate from the world and consecrate ourselves to God, the more power we will have to infiltrate the hearts and minds of men with a living example of the Gospel. The world must see that God does have a people on this earth, and that His power dwells in their midst. Let us commit ourselves to His kingdom and be His people.
Warning: Beware of the Living Bible and the Good News Bible. They are merely Bible paraphrases, not translations. The wording is not true to the original Hebrew and Greek. The scriptures are perverted to support secular Christianity.
Romans 13:1-7
King James Bible (Translation)
1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
Living Bible (Paraphrase)
1 Obey the government, for God is the one who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power.
2 So those who refuse to obey the laws of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow.
3 For the policeman does not frighten people who are doing right; but those doing evil will always fear him. So if you don't want to be afraid, keep the laws and you will get along well.
4 The policeman is sent by God to help you. But if you are doing something wrong, of course you should be afraid, for he will have you punished. He is sent by God for that very purpose.
5 Obey the laws, then, for two reasons: first, to keep from being punished, and second, just because you know you should.
6 Pay your taxes too, for these same two reasons. For government workers need to be paid so that they can keep on doing God's work, serving you.
7 Pay everyone whatever he ought to have: pay your taxes and import duties gladly, obey those over you, and give honor and respect to all those to whom it is due.
The Trump Card 1Peter 2:13
When Romans 13 is interpreted against its traditional meaning, 1 Peter 2 v. 13 is usually used by supporters of obedience to the government as a trump card. As a result, I included a short analysis of 1 Peter to illustrate how it reinforces this "new" interpretation of Romans 13, rather than contradicts it.
There are several similarities between 1 Peter and Romans 13. Like Paul, Peter is writing to the church at a time when they are undergoing persecution by the governing authorities. Peter tells the people that, in this time, they should not conform (v.14 - same as Romans 12 v.2), stresses the importance of keeping their faith (v.7-8 - same as Romans 12 v. 11-13) and encourages them to love (v.22, ch. 2 v.17 - same as Romans 12 v.9). Much of the first chapter is spent congratulating the church because they are maintaining their faith in Christ "though now for a while . . . you have been grieved by various trials" (v.6), and urges them to continue persisting. It is in this spirit that we go into second chapter of Peter.
In order to understand 1 Peter 2 v. 13, it is critical that one understands the verses 11-25. In this section of the chapter, Peter's main focus is to instruct the people to do good in the face of evil, just as Romans 12 14-21 does. Peter is echoing Paul's command to overcome the evil they are facing with good. Peter states in ch. 2 v. 12 that they should do good works so that evildoers will observe them and they should glorify God when it is their time to be persecuted. The purpose for doing this is not to show obedience to the government, but to expose their hypocrisy and to "silence the ignorance of foolish and ignorant men" (v. 15). [Take note here: Peter is calling the government ignorant and foolish!] By abstaining from any wrongdoing against Christ's commands and not resisting any suffering that comes their way, their actions will be "commendable before God" (v. 21). By doing good, their persecutors will not be able to justify the violence they are using against innocent people in the same way that those who killed Christ and caused him to suffer will not. The heart of what Peter is trying to convey to the church can be found in ch. 2 v. 19-21 — not in v. 13. His command is not obey the government. He is stressing what Paul said and what Jesus commanded on the sermon on the mount - Blessed are the you when they revile you and persecute you and speak evil against you for my name's sake. In fact, v. 23 in 1 Peter ch. 2 is a direct reference to that.
The same problem of misinterpreting the word "submit" is also the reason for a misunderstanding of Peter. As I have said before, the word does not mean to obey, so the assertion that "submit" here is different from the true meaning of "submit" in Romans makes little sense. Peter is telling the church to willingly take part in the persecution that comes their way. Like Romans 13, 1 Peter is not a call to obedience to government. It is a call to follow Christ's footsteps by not resisting suffering for the name of God.
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#12. To: Deckard (#8)
In fact, Paul spent almost as much time in jail as he did out of jail.
Wow!
#13. To: paraclete, Libertarian Party of Canada, tater, canaries of the north (#10)
Nationality: Canadian
Party: Libertarian Party of Canada
This little bitch came here not for a speaking tour but to get in the face of Muslims
#14. To: Gatlin (#11)
For too long, secular governments have used Romans 13 as a club to beat Christians into obedience to them. Just because a group maintains power through their guns and jails, does not mean God put them there.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.
#15. To: Deckard (#14)
For too long, secular governments have used Romans 13 as a club to beat Christians into obedience to them. Just because a group maintains power through their guns and jails, does not mean God put them there.’’
#16. To: Justified (#0)
#17. To: paraclete (#10)
Bullshit, and I would like the US, NZ and Canada to keep its racist, xenophobic rabble rousers out of my country. This little bitch came here not for a speaking tour but to get in the face of Muslims. We have generally peaceful relations with Muslims in our nation and we would like it to stay that way.
#18. To: Justified (#17)
So they moslems have basically taken Australia territory and you are okay with this?
#19. To: paraclete (#18)
We don't allow hate speech
#20. To: A K A Stone (#19)
You don't live in a free country. You are quite defensive about it. Kind f like a slave who mist obey his master.
#21. To: paraclete (#20)
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#22. To: paraclete (#18)
#23. To: A K A Stone (#21)
You still don't live in a free country.
#24. To: Justified (#22)
Really because you are not allowed to go on public street in your own land.
#25. To: paraclete (#24)
#26. To: paraclete (#24)
#27. To: Justified (#26)
What the hell happen?
#28. To: Justified (#25)
Lets see you walk down "their" street wearing jewish garb and chanting jewish songs. Even full out Christian garb asking if anyone wants to covert and see what happens.
#29. To: Justified (#0)
#30. To: paraclete (#18)
We don't allow hate speech,
#31. To: Justified (#25)
Lets see you walk down "their" street wearing jewish garb and chanting jewish songs. Even full out Christian garb asking if anyone wants to covert and see what happens.
#32. To: sneakypete (#31)
#33. To: sneakypete (#30)
You must be VERY proud!
#34. To: Justified (#32)
Man I feel like I'm in some kind of crazy tv twilight show that never ends!
#35. To: paraclete (#33)
his is Australia and we don't have your notions of freedom
#36. To: sneakypete (#35)
you are ignorant enough to brag about it like it's a good thing.
#37. To: paraclete (#33)
I am proud my nation doesn't allow idiots like Southern to stir up trouble.
#38. To: paraclete (#36)
I'm am neither ignorant or a braggart, that territory is taken by americans
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