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Title: New Cohen Tape Surfaces a Bigger Trump Fish
Source: Bloomberg
URL Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti ... ording-surfaces-a-bigger-catch
Published: Jul 26, 2018
Author: Timothy L. O'Brien
Post Date: 2018-07-26 13:38:47 by Jameson
Keywords: Frank, Wilson, Lives
Views: 14590
Comments: 112

Allen Weisselberg knows far more than the president’s former lawyer.

About two months before Election Day in 2016, Donald Trump and his former lawyer (and self-described “fixer”) Michael Cohen were chatting about how to convince a former Playboy model, Karen McDougal, to keep quiet about what she described as a long-term affair with the presidential candidate.

“We’ll have to pay,” Cohen said, according to a recording of the conversation that CNN obtained and broadcast Tuesday night.

“Pay with cash,” Trump appears to respond.

“No, no,” Cohen says. Earlier in the conversation Cohen suggested that he “open a company for the transfer of all of that info” to the National Enquirer and its parent company, American Media Inc. AMI’s chairman, David Pecker, is a friend of the president and he is also referred to on the tape. The Enquirer had already purchased McDougal’s account of her affair with Trump earlier in 2016 and then never published it. Trump and Cohen appear to be discussing a second payment to McDougal (and there is no indication that it was ever made).

“I’ve spoken to Allen Weisselberg about how to set the whole thing up,” Cohen tells Trump. “So, I’m all over that. And, I spoke to Allen about it.”

Weisselberg isn’t a bit player in Trumplandia and his emergence on the Cohen- Trump recording – as someone possibly facilitating a scheme apparently meant to disguise a payoff – should worry the president. Weisselberg has detailed information about the Trump Organization’s operations, business deals and finances. If he winds up in investigators’ crosshairs for secreting payoffs, he could potentially provide much more damaging information to prosecutors than Cohen ever could about the president’s dealmaking.

Cohen, of course, already is reportedly being investigated by federal prosecutors in New York for possibly engaging in bank fraud, wire fraud and campaign finance violations. To the extent that his legal travails spill over onto the president, it’s worrisome to the White House. But campaign finance violations aren’t likely to be as threatening to Trump as more serious transgressions such as, for example, obstruction of justice or exchanging policy favors for financial gain.

Moreover, Cohen has only worked for Trump since 2006, and he never operated as a traditional lawyer. Instead, he brought potential licensing deals to the president's attention for years and also worked with the career criminal and Trump business partner Felix Sater on a proposal for a Trump project in Moscow. (Sater and Cohen, childhood friends, also paired up to push an initiative to end economic sanctions against Russia imposed because of its military annexation of part of Ukraine; Putin, according to my Bloomberg News colleagues, reportedly discussed a plan to resolve the conflict in Ukraine during his private meeting with Trump in Helsinki last week.)

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#42. To: GrandIsland (#40)

has "broke" no laws

**broken**

victim of public schools?

I think we'll find out a lot about just how many laws have been broken by Mrs. Putin....before the mid-terms....

collusion: secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose

Jameson  posted on  2018-07-29   19:00:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Jameson (#42)

You would make good fertalizer.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-07-29   19:06:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: A K A Stone (#43)

**fertalizer**

**Fertilizer**

Too wasted to spell-check?

That's ok.... you get a pass.

We both know why, right?

I'd be pounding the Four-Loko like it was my last night before heading to county jail too, if I were you.

Party-on Wayne!

Looking forward to November!!!

collusion: secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose

Jameson  posted on  2018-07-29   19:15:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: GrandIsland (#40)

THAT’S ALL I CARE ABOUT.

Ahhhh....

The low-IQ voter.

Congratulations!!

YOU!! are the demographic that the Russian crime lords knew they could compromise with the right greasy lying degenerate candidate...

collusion: secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose

Jameson  posted on  2018-07-29   19:20:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Jameson (#45)

The low-IQ voter.

51% voted for Shitlery because she has (it’s believed) a cunt. Who’s the low IQ voter?

lol

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-07-29   19:41:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Jameson (#32)

collusion: secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/04/03/alan-dershowitz-mueller-probe-trump-collusion-not-crime

Dershowitz on Alleged Trump Collusion: Robert Mueller 'Inventing a Crime'

Fox News
April 3, 2018
Hannity (video at link)

Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz reacted to reports that Special Counsel Robert Mueller is investigating President Donald Trump for possible collusion, but does not consider Trump a criminal target in the probe.

Dershowitz, a longtime Democrat who supported Hillary Clinton in 2016, said Mueller would be "inventing a crime" to charge Trump in that case.

"There's no such crime as 'collusion' in the federal statute," he said.

[snip]

https://www.newsweek.com/alan-dershowitz-donald-trump-impeachment-1012672

Dershowitz: President Donald Trump Should Not Be Impeached Even If He Colluded With Russia | Opinion

By Alan Dershowitz
Newsweek
On 7/9/18 at 2:56 PM

[excerpt]

What if President Donald Trump were to be impeached for colluding with Russia during the presidential campaign? If there were proof of such collusion—and to date I have seen none—that would be a serious political sin. An American should not collude with a foreign power, especially a hostile foreign power, in an effort to enhance his candidacy. But there is a dispositive difference between a political sin and a high crime and misdemeanor. There is no such crime of collusion in the context of an election. Collusion may entail other crimes, such as election law violations or accessory to crimes such as hacking. But collusion itself is simply not a crime.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-29   19:53:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: GrandIsland (#46)

Who’s the low IQ voter?

You

You are the LOW IQ Voter.

YOU are the voter who was targeted by the Russians...too stupid to think logically...willing to vote on pure emotion and hatred...

You delivered to the Russians their victory - without them firing single shot...

collusion: secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose

Jameson  posted on  2018-07-29   21:27:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Jameson (#48)

YOU are the voter who was targeted by the Russians...

You stupid cunt. I was already going to vote for Trump, LONG BEFORE the Russians hacked Shitlarys email.

I’d vote for Putin before I’d vote for a filthy snowflake. Go fuck yourself.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-07-29   21:31:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Jameson (#48)

Do you really believe the delusions you post?

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-07-29   22:04:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Jameson (#48)

You delivered to the Russians their victory

The Bolshevik-Zionists, not the Russians.

They'd like to see Putin gone too - so they can legalize sodomy in Russia like they did in their fake "israel" in 1963.

VxH  posted on  2018-07-29   22:16:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: nolu chan (#27) (Edited)

And lying is not yet a crime without more, such as lying under oath. Perjury is a crime. Lying is not.

Lev 6:1-4

6 The Lord said to Moses: 2 "If anyone sins and is unfaithful to the Lord by deceiving his neighbor about something entrusted to him or left in his care or stolen, or if he cheats him, 3 or if he finds lost property and lies about it, or if he swears falsely, or if he commits any such sin that people may do — 4 when he thus sins and becomes guilty NIV

What does this mean, Your Worshipfulness?

VxH  posted on  2018-07-29   22:20:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: VxH (#51)

I'm not sure who is dumber you or Jameson. Probably Jameson but you are a close runner up.

You voted for Trump. You're just upset he doesn't hate Jews like yourself and Hitler.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-07-29   22:23:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: A K A Stone (#53) (Edited)

You voted for Trump.

I voted for "You'd be in jail".

But (D)rumpf, the deceiving zionist judas poodlegoat, lied about that like everything else.

VxH  posted on  2018-07-29   22:29:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: VxH (#54)

You voted for Trump. Thank you.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-07-29   22:31:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Jameson (#34)

He will resign with a shit-load of angry tweets in the middle of the night.

MAGA: "My Attorney Got Arrested!"

VxH  posted on  2018-07-29   22:35:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: VxH (#56)

Your top issue is you hate Jews. Even though Jews are Superior to you in every way.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-07-29   22:37:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: A K A Stone (#55)

You voted for Trump. Thank you.

No. I voted FOR Ben Carson, then I voted against Hillary Clinton.

Grab 'em by the whaaaat?

VxH  posted on  2018-07-29   22:39:11 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: A K A Stone (#57)

Your top issue is you hate Jews.


Rev 2:9

I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

KJV

VxH  posted on  2018-07-29   22:41:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: VxH (#59)

You are out of context.

Bibi isn't a Jew?

You really are a dumb bigot.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-07-29   22:43:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: VxH (#58)

Rationalize all you want. You clicked on Trump Pence. Thanks loser.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-07-29   22:44:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: A K A Stone (#60) (Edited)

What year did the synagogue of Satan legalize sodomy, again, in their state establishment?

1963

Same ol' Ba'alshyte, different municipal toilet.

Bibi isn't a Jew?

No more or less so than Korah, the Pharaoh's treasurer was. What happened to him again?

VxH  posted on  2018-07-29   22:46:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Jameson, A K A Stone (#44) (Edited)

We both know why, right?

I'd be pounding the Four-Loko like it was my last night before heading to county jail too, if I were you.

{ crickets crickets crickets }

Nobody is smart enough to lie - such a yugely important lesson my dad and his LEO coworkers taught their kids. Thank God for men like them.

The best way not to get caught lying is... don't lie.

"AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE"

VxH  posted on  2018-07-29   23:14:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: VxH (#52)

What does this mean, Your Worshipfulness?

It means that you are one truly stupid, ignorant cunt...

... in addition to being a lying sack of shit fraud who claimed to know the Einsteinian math of the General and Special theory of relativity, and the theoretical math of time travel, and calculus, while you have actually demonstrated for all to see that you are incapable of using the high school trig necessary to solve for two sides of a right triangle given one side and one acute angle.

If lying were a crime, you would be a bigger crook than Hillary.

https://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=56433&Disp=71#C71

https://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=56523&Disp=63#C63

https://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=56545&Disp=47#C47

Like the intellectual whore that you are, you want to start all over as a virgin and peddle your wares on a new street corner.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-30   0:05:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: nolu chan (#64) (Edited)

LOL.

A^2 + B^2 = C^2

My math produces the expected results,

Time is a derivative function of state-change that progresses relative to E in the inertial frame(s) in which it is observed.

And you and your psychotic donkey STILL have shyte for brains.

VxH  posted on  2018-07-30   0:55:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: GrandIsland (#49)

I’d vote for Putin

Thank you for proving my point.

collusion: secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose

Jameson  posted on  2018-07-30   7:25:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: VxH (#63)

"AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE"

Sometimes,

The truth will bring you down.....

collusion: secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose

Jameson  posted on  2018-07-30   7:27:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: VxH (#51)

The Bolshevik-Zionists, not the Russians.

220, 221......whatever it takes.

collusion: secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose

Jameson  posted on  2018-07-30   7:29:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: A K A Stone (#50)

Do you really believe the delusions you post?

No.

collusion: secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose

Jameson  posted on  2018-07-30   7:29:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Jameson (#69) (Edited)

Stone ~ Do you really believe the delusions you post?

Snowflake. ~ No.

Then shut your shit hole, and disrupt elsewhere. Go post all day on Commie Sanders Facebook page.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-07-30   7:45:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: GrandIsland (#70)

Then shut your shit hole, and disrupt elsewhere.

LOL!!

Fuck off!

collusion: secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose

Jameson  posted on  2018-07-30   8:05:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Jameson (#33)

When it comes to being a greasy degenerate pathological liar, your hero has no peers. He is vastly different, and far more disgusting and untrustworthy than any candidate I've ever voted for or supported. There is the truthful answer you couldn't figure out for yourself.

My hero?

That's not a truthful answer either and you know it. By the way what have you received that they promised you (besides homo marriage)?

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2018-07-30   9:36:17 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: CZ82 (#72)

That's not a truthful answer.

It is 100% truthful.

what have you received?

I do not seek to receive anything.

(besides homo marriage)

Personally, I believe everyone has the right to pursue happiness. If that pursuit includes marriage, it's ok by me.

I am completely unaffected by anyone's marriage, or lack thereof.

collusion: secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose

Jameson  posted on  2018-07-30   9:52:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: VxH (#65)

A^2 + B^2 = C^2

My math produces the expected results,

Time is a derivative function of state-change that progresses relative to E in the inertial frame(s) in which it is observed.

Yes, your cartoons and data entry produce the completely incompetent and ignorant bullshit we have come to know and expect. You are a dumb fuck idiot....

... in addition to being a lying sack of shit fraud who claimed to know the Einsteinian math of the General and Special theory of relativity, and the theoretical math of time travel, and calculus, while you have actually demonstrated for all to see that you are incapable of using the high school trig necessary to solve for two sides of a right triangle given one side and one acute angle.

If lying were a crime, you would be a bigger crook than Hillary.

https://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=56433&Disp=71#C71

https://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=56523&Disp=63#C63

https://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=56545&Disp=47#C47

Like the intellectual whore that you are, you want to start all over as a virgin and peddle your wares on a new street corner.

Two Sides were known:

338 elevation 1290.583333333 approximate distance to target on field.

5 tenths
8 hundredths
3 thousandths
3 ten thousandths
3 hundred thousandths
3 millionths
3 ten millionths
3 hundred millionths
3 billionths

So you scraped your known approximate distance off an outhouse wall, where the approximate distance was given to nine decimal places, or measured to the billionth of a foot. Get the fuck out of here.

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

As for 1290.583333333 feet being a known approximate distance for the shooter, what source, or sources, did that figure come from, and why do you consider it so authoritative that you assume it as a given measure????

Did you scrape it off an outhouse wall at MIT, Rensselaer, or Cal Poly?

A Google search of "1290.583333333" hits nothing but the three current threads on Liberty's Flame.

Without quotation marks is the same.

1290.58 Las Vegas Shooter returns zero hits including 1290.58.

The only apparent source of your magic number, inaccurate to 9 decimal places, is yourself doing direct data entry of the bullshit magic number you invented.

When asked for your math, you sink to your usual yukon bullshit.

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Wikipedia, retrieved 28 July 2018.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting

After Paddock used a hammer to break two of the windows in both of his suites,[4] he began shooting through them at 10:05 p.m.[26] He ultimately fired more than 1,100 rifle rounds[27] approximately 490 yards (450 m) into the festival audience.[28][29][30][c]

Approximately 490 yards is approximately 1470 feet.

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https://www.thespectrum.com/story/news/2017/10/05/las-vegas-shooting-four-common-questions-being-asked/736322001/

Las Vegas shooting: Answering 4 common questions

Lucas M Thomas, lthomas@dvtnv.com
Published 1:48 p.m. MT Oct. 5, 2017 | Updated 1:58 p.m. MT Oct. 5, 2017

[excerpt]

How far can rifle bullets travel, and how far away from the Mandalay Bay was the concert?

Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said the weapons found in Paddock's hotel room ranged in caliber from .223 to .308. The concert venue for the Route 91 Harvest Festival was approximately 1,100 feet away from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay.

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https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-las-vegas-shooting-live-updates-the-trigonometry-of-terror-why-the-las-1507085772-htmlstory.html

The trigonometry of terror: Why the Las Vegas shooting was so deadly

By Geoffrey Mohan
Los Angeles Times
Oct 04, 2017 | 9:54 AM

Arthur B. Alphin is well acquainted with the trigonometry of terror.

The retired Army lieutenant colonel and West Point graduate, who has a mechanical engineering degree and specialized in ballistics, has testified in many multiple-shooting cases.

What he sees so far about Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock is a patient, well-trained gunner who did not pick and choose his targets, but held to a steady kill zone centered in the middle of thousands of concertgoers.

Once the trigger was pulled, simple laws of physics and trigonometry sealed the fate of more than 500 people who would fall wounded in the ensuing fracas — 59 of them fatally.

"He had a huge area of three, four or five football fields with people standing shoulder to shoulder," Alphin said. "He was not aiming at any individual person. He was just throwing bullets in a huge 'beaten zone.'"

Beaten zone is an infantry term dating to World War I. Shaped like the area a searchlight casts across a flat surface, it represents the area where bullets can strike, and moves substantially with tiny changes in the tilt of the gun.

If the shooter shifted by about 1 degree, or the width of two fingers held at arm's length, Alphin said, the beaten zone would fall outside the crowd.

"That's all the distance you have to move and you aren't hitting anybody," Alphin said. "So he had to be pointing or aiming at the very center of mass and then bouncing all over with the recoil."

From a perch 320 feet above ground in a hotel whose base was about 1,050 feet from the concert venue, Paddock was firing down the 1,098-foot hypotenuse of a right triangle — and would have to adjust his aim for the arc of the bullet over that distance.

[snip]

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https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2017/10/02/look-how-far-las-vegas-shooter-was-from-concert/RH1IbGWenXPuSGg84YfqXN/story.html

How far was the Las Vegas shooter from the concert?

October 02, 2017
As of 3:20 p.m. Wednesday

"About 1200 feet."

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/vegas-shooting-happened-100s-shots-1-200-feet-article-1.3536512

How the Las Vegas mass shooting happened — hundreds of shots from 1,200 feet away

By Jason Silverstein
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Oct 02, 2017 | 4:38 PM

The gunman who killed at least 58 people and injured more than 500 at an outdoor Las Vegas concert Sunday fired hundreds of rounds from an automatic rifle within mere minutes — and from more than 1,000 feet away.

[snip]

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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/10/why_the_las_vegas_shooting_was_a_nightmare_scenario_for_police_and_security.html

The second lesson from Las Vegas is that the geometry of Paddock’s attack rendered security measures ineffective—even those of Las Vegas, a city with thousands of armed police and security guards on duty around the clock, surveillance cameras covering nearly every inch of ground, and a sophisticated police department with a robust SWAT capability. Paddock apparently fired on concertgoers from a room on the 32nd story of the Mandalay Bay hotel, across the street and approximately 400 meters from the concert.

400 meters is approximately 1312.3 feet.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-mass-shooting-weapons.html

Gunman’s Vantage Point and Preparations Opened the Way for Mass Slaughter

By C. J. Chivers, Thomas Gibbons-Neff and Adam Goldman

Oct. 2, 2017

From his hotel room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in Las Vegas, Stephen Paddock would have looked down upon a crowd of more than 20,000 people, surging to the final sets of a country music festival.

He opened fire late Sunday, killing at least 59 people and injuring 527 others in one of the deadliest mass shootings in American history, the authorities said.

But what may have seemed like a difficult feat, firing across an urban area and into a crowd from about 500 yards away — the equivalent of several football fields — appears to have been offset by Mr. Paddock’s preparations, which made it possible for him to inflict mass carnage.

[snip]

About 500 yards away is about 1500 feet away.

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For an actual KNOWN distance, where angle A is 14.70°, and side a of a right triangle is 338 feet,

tan A = tan(14.70) = 0.2623450889 = opp/adj = a/b

0.2623450889 = 338/b

b = 338 / 0.2623450889

b = 1288.379369

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Or,

tan B = tan(75.30) = 3.81177328 = opp/adj = b/a

3.81177328 = b/338

b = 338 * 3.81177328

b = 1288.379369

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side b is not approximately 1290.58 to any number of imaginary decimal places.

side b is 1288.379369.

For someone who claims abilities in Einstein's General and Special Theories of Relativity, Calculus, and the theoretical physics math of time travel, you exhibit an inability to do basic high school math when called upon to calculate the sides and angles of a right triangle with angle A of 14.70° and side a of 338 feet.

Your donkey sure has a hard time with details and decimal precision settings.

What a congenital fuckwit. You make up an incorrect side b to 9 decimal places of inaccuracy and imprecision, and fail to realize you still look like a monkey fucking a football in the middle of the stadium. Keep fucking that football. Keep demonstrating you can only talk about math but can't do it.

Approximate to 9 decimal places of inaccuracy! Approximate to the billionth of the wrong foot! You are good for comic relief.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-30   10:14:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Jameson (#66)

collusion: secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose

COLLUSION is not a crime

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/04/03/alan-dershowitz-mueller-probe-trump-collusion-not-crime

Dershowitz on Alleged Trump Collusion: Robert Mueller 'Inventing a Crime'

Fox News
April 3, 2018
Hannity (video at link)

Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz reacted to reports that Special Counsel Robert Mueller is investigating President Donald Trump for possible collusion, but does not consider Trump a criminal target in the probe.

Dershowitz, a longtime Democrat who supported Hillary Clinton in 2016, said Mueller would be "inventing a crime" to charge Trump in that case.

"There's no such crime as 'collusion' in the federal statute," he said.

[snip]

https://www.newsweek.com/alan-dershowitz-donald-trump-impeachment-1012672

Dershowitz: President Donald Trump Should Not Be Impeached Even If He Colluded With Russia | Opinion

By Alan Dershowitz
Newsweek
On 7/9/18 at 2:56 PM

[excerpt]

What if President Donald Trump were to be impeached for colluding with Russia during the presidential campaign? If there were proof of such collusion—and to date I have seen none—that would be a serious political sin. An American should not collude with a foreign power, especially a hostile foreign power, in an effort to enhance his candidacy. But there is a dispositive difference between a political sin and a high crime and misdemeanor. There is no such crime of collusion in the context of an election. Collusion may entail other crimes, such as election law violations or accessory to crimes such as hacking. But collusion itself is simply not a crime.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-30   10:57:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: nolu chan (#75)

Collusion itself is simply not a crime.

That horse is dead, you should stop beating it now.

So, why do you think that DD45 continues to tweet the words "no collusion"?

Do you think it is possible that he actually believes the lies that he tells?

Does the fact that he allowed (probably directed) his son and campaign manager to meet with representatives of a hostile foreign power compromise his role of POTUS?

Do think it is probable that he has always been compromised through his greasy financing deals with the russian mobsters (redundant, I know!)

Does this individual deserve our trust or confidence?

Who will be the first one to flip, Donnie JR or Kushner?

Of course, this could be all about nothing....after all Rosanne Barr is a big fan....

collusion: secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose

Jameson  posted on  2018-07-30   11:16:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Jameson (#73)

what have you received?

I do not seek to receive anything.

Yeah, right...

People for reasons and that's usually (not always) for something they think will benefit "THEM".

Some people do vote for what is best for the country and sometimes it doesn't always benefit them but it's the right thing to do. The problem is some of the reasons are silly and only benefit a small portion of the people. In essence they're being selfish and not seeing the big picture, what is the best thing to do for the majority of the population of this country.

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2018-07-30   11:50:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: nolu chan (#75)

collusion itself is simply not a crime.

Giuliani says he's not sure collusion is a crime

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/30/politics/rudy-giuliani-collusion-crime- cnntv/index.html

That poor bastard. Remember when Rudy was America's Mayor? We all looked to his leadership at a time when we as a nation were facing a horrible tragedy.

now he's a pathetic old fool sucking up to his "client" and saying whatever he's being told to say.

I wouldn't be surprised if dip-shit himself was writing Rudy's talking points...

sad

collusion: secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose

Jameson  posted on  2018-07-30   11:51:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: CZ82 (#77)

Yeah, right...

Believe whatever you choose to believe. I really don't care.

The problem is some of the reasons are silly and only benefit a small portion of the people. In essence they're being selfish and not seeing the big picture.

collusion: secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose

Jameson  posted on  2018-07-30   11:58:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Jameson (#34)

He will resign with a shit-load of angry tweets in the middle of the night.

Now why would he resign when he's having so much fun embarrassing/pulling the Lefts chain and doing encouraging things for the country?

The biggest reasons some people want to see him gone are for what I just said. They're nothing more than a big bunch of babies who believe the lies they've been fed their entire lives and are too stupid to admit they've been such big fools. So to soothe their egos they have to "try" to destroy Trump and those who voted for him. Now if that isn't immature I have no idea what really could be considered childish...

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2018-07-30   12:00:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Jameson (#79)

Believe whatever you choose to believe. I really don't care.

I know you don't care, cause you still don't want to answer the question as to what it is you voted for and what you didn't receive.

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2018-07-30   12:02:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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