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Title: Getting conservatives and Libertarians to agree on tariffs
Source: American Tinker
URL Source: https://www.americanthinker.com/blo ... rians_to_agree_on_tariffs.html
Published: Jul 20, 2018
Author: By Brian Klea
Post Date: 2018-07-20 16:36:19 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 1943
Comments: 9

One of the most irritating things about Libertarians is that they are often doctrinaire and immovable on topics. (I know, because I'm one.)

Tariffs, for instance. Tariffs are uncategorically bad, as they fly in the face of the gospel doctrine of free trade. Since most of conservative bent would agree with Adam Smith on most matters economic, we also agree with the premise. But for many of us, me included, our agreement is only categorical.

This is where conservatives lose most Libertarians. But one can reasonably argue tariffs beyond this point. An argument might go something like this: we agree that tariffs are bad, and we also agree that we are in favor of free trade. America benefits from buying goods from any nation that can produce goods, in a superior mixture of quality and low price, than we could produce ourselves.

We benefit. However, we would benefit more if the tariff situation was even across all trading partners, meaning no tariffs. Then we could get the added benefit of greater domestic production and sales profits, leading to greater employment, greater tax base...you know the rest.

The "demand" side of the supply curve is a tricky one. Obama tried FDR's Keynesian economic model: spend to create demand.

Did all of that spending create demand? It sure did! Big spending can be a great kickstarter to get that economic motor of demand into a higher gear. But, as anyone who's seen our national debt can attest, Obamanomics was extremely expensive and is the man's most shameful legacy.

Renegotiating trade deals has the opportunity to create no-cost demand. The same kind of demand that Obama paid through the nose for, Trump is going to get us for free.

Trump is using tariffs as a negotiating tool to ensure that the ideal scenario of no tariffs is achieved. The man's shooting for the Moon. He may not succeed to the ultimate Libertarian ideal. But he will very likely have successfully negotiated us into a much improved position over where we are now with some countries.

The question never really ought to have been if tariffs are good or bad. The question is, is the status quo satisfactory, vis-à-vis tariffs, or can it be improved?

Thus, it's entirely possible to be anti-tariff and pro-Trump while observing what he is doing here.

We have no reason to believe he won't succeed. The man's track record is beginning to speak for itself. Loudly.

So, then, the only question remaining is, "Should Trump use the threat – or even implementation – of tariffs as a negotiating tool?"

Then the conversation moves to debating "negotiation techniques," which ought to be pretty short, as negotiation is our president's raison d'être.


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Repeating: We have no reason to believe [Trump] won't succeed. The man's track record is beginning to speak for itself. Loudly.

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#1. To: Gatlin (#0)

We have no reason to believe [Trump] won't succeed. The man's track record is beginning to speak for itself. Loudly.

Trump’s Tariffs Injure Another American Business

Deckard  posted on  2018-07-20   18:28:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#1)

Post some steel news you bush sellout.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-07-20   18:34:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: A K A Stone (#2)

Whirlpool Took Tariffs for a Spin, Ended Up With Tumbling Sales

Trump Voters Stand by Their Man as He Wrecks Their Jobs

Trump’s Tariffs Injure Another American Business

Deckard  posted on  2018-07-20   18:52:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Deckard. A K A Stone. Everybody (#3)

Whirlpool Took Tariffs for a Spin, Ended Up With Tumbling Sales
How many times are you going to post this SAME lie on this thread?

I have already debunked this story and PROVED it to be a LIE.

Enough is enough, already!!!

Gatlin  posted on  2018-07-21   4:16:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Gatlin, Deckard, A K A Stone (#6)

Trump's own economic team has a study that undercuts his main arguments on tariffs

Even President Donald Trump's own economic team thinks the president's new trade policies are likely to hurt the US economy.

According to The New York Times, an internal report prepared by the White House Council of Economic Advisers showed that the tariffs would be detrimental to US economic growth. The report, like many CEA studies, has been kept private by the administration.

Such a report would concur with analyses from Wall Street economists, academics, and trade experts. It would also confirm the fears of CEOs, manufacturers, and leading business groups.

But the report would also hurt the argument of many in the Trump administration that the US economy can still see robust economic growth even with the tariffs in place.

Trump's auto tariffs will cost consumers $83 billion, insiders tell Commerce in hearing

President Donald Trump's threat to impose punitive tariffs on imported vehicles and auto parts will cost American consumers $83 billion, warned representatives from the auto industry at a Congressional hearing.

"Higher auto tariffs will harm American families and workers, along with the economy," said Jennifer Thomas, vice president of federal government affairs at the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers.

Thomas's comments come as the Commerce Department responded to an investigation that will determine justification for its plan to implement tariffs based on national security grounds.

The notice of the investigation elicited nearly 2,300 comments from manufacturers and sellers of cars and car parts, automotive hobbyists and many average Americans, with much of the commentary criticizing protectionist sentiment and expressing concern that they would be the ones bearing the costs.

“Even for cars that are assembled in the U.S. and have a U.S. brand, the amount of foreign parts and components in these cars are substantial,” said Monica de Bolle, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics. “Even for those U.S.-assembled cars, it would have a significant impact on the price.”

Hondo68  posted on  2018-07-21   6:07:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#8. To: hondo68 (#7)

Trump is surely right if a wuss like you is whining. Your tears are a good sign.

You new world order supporters would rather let the WTO dictate our trade. That is why you are known as a traitor. Someone who would surely be dealt with by real Americans if you acted on things like when you hinted you wanted to murder Trump. I wonder if the secret service knows you want to harm the President and that you have posted about your desire for a bloody coupe.

Maybe you are being allowed to post here because I want your threats of violence public. Maybe they are already investigating you.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-07-21 07:51:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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