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Title: Trump condemned as treasonous after press conference with Putin
Source: The Guardian
URL Source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news ... -of-election-meddling-powerful
Published: Jul 16, 2018
Author: David Smith
Post Date: 2018-07-16 14:04:07 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 12019
Comments: 54

Donald Trump was condemned as “treasonous” for siding with the Kremlin over his own government agencies on Monday after a stunning joint appearance with Vladimir Putin in which he seemingly accepted the Russian leader’s denial of election meddling.

At a joint press conference after one-on-one talks lasting more than two hours in the Finnish capital, the US president offered no criticism of Putin or the cyber-attacks that the US intelligence community says he coordinated to help Trump’s 2016 election campaign.

“They said they think it’s Russia; I have President Putin, he just said it’s not Russia,” he told reporters. “I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be. I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today.”

The comments set off a new firestorm in Washington and with critics suggesting that it was a historically weak performance by a US president against a foreign adversary. It also fuelled the intrigue of why Trump’s refusal to speak ill of Putin remains one of the few constants of his White House tenure.

He then veered off into a rambling discussion of the Democratic National Committee’s server and Hillary Clinton’s missing emails – a move a seen by critics as a crude attempt to deflect and distract.

“Where is the server? I want to know. Where is the server and what is the server saying?” And bridling at the suggestion that his election victory might be discredited, Trump added: “I beat Hillary Clinton easily... We won that race. And it’s a shame that there can even be a little bit of a cloud over it... We ran a brilliant campaign and that’s why I’m president.”

There was swift condemnation from some of Trump’s opponents in Washington. John Brennan, a former director of the CIA, tweeted: “Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of “high crimes & misdemeanors.” It was nothing short of treasonous. Not only were Trump’s comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin.”

Chuck Schumer, the Democratic minority leader in the Senate, said: “In the entire history of our country, Americans have never seen a president of the United States support an American adversary the way President Trump has supported President Putin.

“For the president of the United States to side with President Putin against American law enforcement, American defense officials, and American intelligence agencies is thoughtless, dangerous, and weak. The president is putting himself over our country.”

Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic minority leader in the House, added: “President Trump’s weakness in front of Putin was embarrassing, and proves that the Russians have something on the President, personally, financially or politically. This is a sad day for America, and for all western democracies that Putin continues to target.”

Adam Schiff, top Democrat on the House intelligence committee, tweeted: “President Trump just attacked our intelligence agencies and law enforcement for doing their jobs while standing next to a dictator who intervened in our election to help elect Trump. Putin will take this as a green light to interfere in 2018, and it is. Cowardly and shameful.”

And Jeff Flake, a Republican senator from Arizona, tweeted: “I never thought I would see the day when our American President would stand on the stage with the Russian President and place blame on the United States for Russian aggression. This is shameful.”

For his part, Putin acknowledged that he wanted Trump to win the 2016 election but reiterated his denial of meddling. Speaking through an interpreter, he said: “We should be guided by facts. Can you name a single fact that would definitively prove collusion? This is utter nonsense. Just like the President recently mentioned.”

In the wake of last week’s indictment of 12 Russian military officers for hacking and leaking Democratic emails, Putin offered to allow the special counsel Robert Mueller’s team to visit Russia and witness the accused being questioned – but only if the US made a reciprocal arrangement concerning individuals charged with crimes on Russian territory.

The 45-minute news conference followed a dialogue between Trump and Putin, with only interpreters present, at the Finnish presidential palace, followed by a working lunch - the first such event between a US and Russian president since 2010.

Journalists gathered in a baroque ballroom decorated with columns, gold leaf and crystal chandeliers and, behind the podium, five American and five Russian flags. Before the press conference started, a man, said to be holding a sign protesting against nuclear weapons, was bundled out of the room by three security guards.

The two leaders were an unlikely match at the podium. Trump, bigger and taller, had held political office for just 18 months; Putin has been at the top of government for 18 years.

Trump shook his counterpart’s hand and whispered, “Thank you very much”, before congratulating him on the successful hosting of the World Cup. Eager to take credit, he claimed: “Our relationship has never been worse than it is now. However, that changed as of about four hours ago.”

Later, questioned why relations had deteriorated so badly, he said: “I hold both countries responsible. I think the United States has been foolish... I think we’ve all been foolish. We’re all to blame. We should have had this dialogue a long time ago... We have both made some mistakes. I think the probe is a disaster for our country.”

The comments prompted consternation in Washington. Republican Senator Ben Sasse of Nebraska said: “This is bizarre and flat-out wrong. The United States is not to blame. America wants a good relationship with the Russian people but Vladimir Putin and his thugs are responsible for Soviet-style aggression. When the President plays these moral equivalence games, he gives Putin a propaganda win he desperately needs.”

There was some relief for western diplomats in that the press conference offered few clues as to whether Trump had made major concessions that would undermine Nato or Ukrainian sovereignty. Asked about Crimea, Putin said Trump “continues to maintain that it was illegal to annex it. Our viewpoint is different.”

The Russian leader was also asked about claims that he holds compromising material on Trump; there have long been rumours of a video tape in which Trump was caught in a Russian hotel with sex workers. He quipped: “I was an intelligence officer and I know how dossiers are made up.”

Putin added: “Now to the compromising material, I did hear this rumour. When Trump visited Moscow back then, I didn’t even know he was in Moscow.”

Trump interjected: “If they had it, it would have been out long ago.”

But once again Trump seemed utterly resistant to saying anything negative about the Russian president. Having branded the European Union a “foe” over the weekend, he said of Putin: “I called him a competitor, and a good competitor he is. The word competitor is a compliment.”

Putin, basking in the afterglow of Russia’s hosting of the World Cup, presented Trump with a football and said: “Now the ball is in your court.” Trump, smiling, replied: “That will go to my son Barron, no question.” He passed it to his wife, Melania, sitting on the front row along with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and other senior officials.

Lindsey Graham, a Republican senator from South Carolina, tweeted: “... if it were me, I’d check the soccer ball for listening devices and never allow it in the White House.”


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#5. To: Willie Green (#0)

There's that word "treasonous" again. That's the word that losers in the political game like to lob at the winners.

They stamp their little feetsies and mewl and puke and call the people they oppose "traitors". It makes them feel better, I guess.

Whatever. Eye roll.

I thought Trump did great. THIS was what I elected him to do, above all else: make peace with Russia and put us on the path of cooperation, so that we don't have to maintain the huge armed forces we have all around the world, and can save that money and balance our budget, so that we have a future.

Duh.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-07-16   15:27:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Vicomte13 (#5)

There's that word "treasonous" again.

I thought Trump did great. THIS was what I elected him to do, ----

We agree about Trump.. -------------------- There was NO way that any of his words approached being treasonous.

The fact remains that those who advocate making laws respecting religious views, ---- are giving aid and comfort to enemies of our Constitution...

tpaine  posted on  2018-07-16   17:16:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: tpaine, Vicomte13 (#11)

The fact remains that those who advocate making laws respecting religious views, ---- are giving aid and comfort to enemies of our Constitution...

Russia & the USA are Christian nations, get used to it or move to Somalia.

Hondo68  posted on  2018-07-16   17:32:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: hondo68 (#12)

Russia & the USA are Christian nations, get used to it or move to Somalia.

HorseHillary! We have freedom FROM religion in this country as a Constitutional RIGHT.

If you don't like it,move to Vatican City or join some other cult.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-07-17   8:36:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: sneakypete (#28)

We have freedom FROM religion in this country as a Constitutional RIGHT.

Nonsense, the right is freedom of religion. The Constitution only states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

You could not get away from it in the Army where they had government employees in uniform acting as sky pilots.

The official national motto is "In God We Trust." That is by Federal law, 70 Stat 732, PL 850.

https://www.scribd.com/document/383819804/70-Stat-732-PL-850-National-Motto-In-God-We-Trust

Crap inscribed on monuments, and the Declaration of Independence, may make fine statements of ideals, but they are not law and create no cognizable rights.

Hodes v. Schmidt, S. Ct. KS 15-114143-A (18 Oct 2016) Response of Appellants to Brief Amici Curoae of the Constitutional Accountability Center and the American Civil Liberties Union Foundation of Kansas

Courts across the country have recognized that “[t]he Declaration of Independence is a statement of ideals, not law.” Schifanelli v. U.S. Gov’t, 1988 WL 138496, at *1 (4th Cir. Dec. 22, 1988). See also Swepi, LP v. Mora Cty., N.M., 81 F. Supp. 3d 1075, 1172 (D.N.M. 2015) (same); Minyard v. Walsh, 2014 WL 1029835, at *4 (C.D. Cal. Mar. 17, 2014) (“Claim 4’s assertion of a violation of Plaintiff’s rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is not cognizable. Those principles, described in the Declaration of Independence, do not guarantee enforceable rights.”); Black v. Simpson, 2008 WL 544458, at *2 (W.D. Ky. Feb. 27, 2008) (“There is no private right of action to enforce the Declaration of Independence.”); Borzych v. Frank, 2006 WL 3254497, at *8 (W.D. Wis. Nov. 9, 2006) (“the Declaration of Independence is not binding law”); Coffey v. United States, 939 F. Supp. 185, 191 (E.D.N.Y.1996) (“While the Declaration of Independence states that all men are endowed certain unalienable rights including ‘Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness,’ it does not grant rights that may be pursued through the judicial system.”). See also Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393, 407 (1856) (describing the Declaration’s description of unalienable rights as merely “general words used in that memorable instrument” and holding that the Declaration did not have a legally binding effect).

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-17   11:46:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: nolu chan (#36)

Nonsense, the right is freedom of religion.

Freedom OF religion is the same as Freedom FROM religion. No one can force any of us to join their religious cult in America.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-07-17   20:43:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: sneakypete (#43)

Freedom OF religion is the same as Freedom FROM religion. No one can force any of us to join their religious cult in America.

The First Amendment forbids laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion. It does not state any right to be from religion.

Trinity v. Comer, S. Ct, 15-577, 582 US ___ (26 Jun 2017) Free Exercise Clause

SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES

Syllabus

TRINITY LUTHERAN CHURCH OF COLUMBIA, INC. v. COMER, DIRECTOR, MISSOURI DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES

CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE EIGHTH CIRCUIT

No. 15–577. Argued April 19, 2017—Decided June 26, 2017

The Trinity Lutheran Church Child Learning Center is a Missouri pre­school and daycare center. Originally established as a nonprofit or­ganization, the Center later merged with Trinity Lutheran Church and now operates under its auspices on church property. Among thefacilities at the Center is a playground, which has a coarse pea gravelsurface beneath much of the play equipment. In 2012, the Center sought to replace a large portion of the pea gravel with a pour-in-­place rubber surface by participating in Missouri’s Scrap Tire Pro­gram. The program, run by the State’s Department of Natural Re­sources, offers reimbursement grants to qualifying nonprofit organi­zations that install playground surfaces made from recycled tires. The Department had a strict and express policy of denying grants to any applicant owned or controlled by a church, sect, or other religious entity. Pursuant to that policy, the Department denied the Center’s application. In a letter rejecting that application, the Department explained that under Article I, Section 7 of the Missouri Constitution,the Department could not provide financial assistance directly to a church. The Department ultimately awarded 14 grants as part of the 2012 program. Although the Center ranked fifth out of the 44 appli­cants, it did not receive a grant because it is a church. Trinity Lutheran sued in Federal District Court, alleging that the Department’s failure to approve its application violated the Free Ex­ercise Clause of the First Amendment.

The District Court dismissed the suit. The Free Exercise Clause, the court stated, prohibits the government from outlawing or restricting the exercise of a religious practice, but it generally does not prohibit withholding an affirmative benefit on account of religion. The District Court likened the case be­fore it to Locke v. Davey, 540 U. S. 712, where this Court upheld against a free exercise challenge a State’s decision not to fund de­grees in devotional theology as part of a scholarship program. The District Court held that the Free Exercise Clause did not require the State to make funds available under the Scrap Tire Program to Trini­ty Lutheran. A divided panel of the Eighth Circuit affirmed. The fact that the State could award a scrap tire grant to Trinity Lutheran without running afoul of the Establishment Clause of the Federal Constitution, the court ruled, did not mean that the Free Exercise Clause compelled the State to disregard the broader antiestablish­ment principle reflected in its own Constitution.

Held: The Department’s policy violated the rights of Trinity Lutheran under the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment by denying the Church an otherwise available public benefit on account of its re­ligious status. Pp. 6–15.

[...]

788 F. 3d 779, reversed and remanded.

ROBERTS, C. J., delivered the opinion of the Court, except as to foot­note 3. KENNEDY, ALITO, and KAGAN, JJ., joined that opinion in full, and THOMAS and GORSUCH, JJ., joined except as to footnote 3. THOMAS, J., filed an opinion concurring in part, in which GORSUCH, J., joined. GORSUCH, J., filed an opinion concurring in part, in which THOMAS, J., joined. BREYER, J., filed an opinion concurring in the judgment. SO­TOMAYOR, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which GINSBURG, J., joined.

At 15:

The Missouri Department of Natural Resources has not subjected anyone to chains or torture on account of reli­gion. And the result of the State’s policy is nothing sodramatic as the denial of political office. The consequenceis, in all likelihood, a few extra scraped knees. But the exclusion of Trinity Lutheran from a public benefit for which it is otherwise qualified, solely because it is a church, is odious to our Constitution all the same, and cannot stand.

The judgment of the United States Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit is reversed, and the case is remandedfor further proceedings consistent with this opinion.

It is so ordered.

https://www.scribd.com/document/384086263/Trinity-Lutheran-Church-of-Columbia-Inc-v-Comer-S-Ct-15-577-582-US-26-Apr-2017

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-17   23:11:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: nolu chan (#45)

Freedom OF religion is the same as Freedom FROM religion. No one can force any of us to join their religious cult in America.

The First Amendment forbids laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion. It does not state any right to be from religion.

Unbelievable!

Nor does it state you have a right to sunshine,water,or even the oxygen to speak.

You take anal to a whole new dimension.

Then again,lawyers get paid to argue.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-07-18   5:28:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#53. To: sneakypete (#50)

Nor does it state you have a right to sunshine,water,or even the oxygen to speak.

You take anal to a whole new dimension.

You state good reasons not to claim a constitutional right to sunshine, water, or oxygen.

But if the sun does not rise tomorrow, you can go ahead and sue whoever you think is responsible for that dastardly violation of your imaginary constitutional right to sunshine.

As for anal, ain't no sunshine up there. So sue for violation of your imaginary constitutional right to have rays of sunshine coming out of your arse.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-18 15:11:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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