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Title: Trump condemned as treasonous after press conference with Putin
Source: The Guardian
URL Source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news ... -of-election-meddling-powerful
Published: Jul 16, 2018
Author: David Smith
Post Date: 2018-07-16 14:04:07 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 11667
Comments: 54

Donald Trump was condemned as “treasonous” for siding with the Kremlin over his own government agencies on Monday after a stunning joint appearance with Vladimir Putin in which he seemingly accepted the Russian leader’s denial of election meddling.

At a joint press conference after one-on-one talks lasting more than two hours in the Finnish capital, the US president offered no criticism of Putin or the cyber-attacks that the US intelligence community says he coordinated to help Trump’s 2016 election campaign.

“They said they think it’s Russia; I have President Putin, he just said it’s not Russia,” he told reporters. “I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be. I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today.”

The comments set off a new firestorm in Washington and with critics suggesting that it was a historically weak performance by a US president against a foreign adversary. It also fuelled the intrigue of why Trump’s refusal to speak ill of Putin remains one of the few constants of his White House tenure.

He then veered off into a rambling discussion of the Democratic National Committee’s server and Hillary Clinton’s missing emails – a move a seen by critics as a crude attempt to deflect and distract.

“Where is the server? I want to know. Where is the server and what is the server saying?” And bridling at the suggestion that his election victory might be discredited, Trump added: “I beat Hillary Clinton easily... We won that race. And it’s a shame that there can even be a little bit of a cloud over it... We ran a brilliant campaign and that’s why I’m president.”

There was swift condemnation from some of Trump’s opponents in Washington. John Brennan, a former director of the CIA, tweeted: “Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of “high crimes & misdemeanors.” It was nothing short of treasonous. Not only were Trump’s comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin.”

Chuck Schumer, the Democratic minority leader in the Senate, said: “In the entire history of our country, Americans have never seen a president of the United States support an American adversary the way President Trump has supported President Putin.

“For the president of the United States to side with President Putin against American law enforcement, American defense officials, and American intelligence agencies is thoughtless, dangerous, and weak. The president is putting himself over our country.”

Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic minority leader in the House, added: “President Trump’s weakness in front of Putin was embarrassing, and proves that the Russians have something on the President, personally, financially or politically. This is a sad day for America, and for all western democracies that Putin continues to target.”

Adam Schiff, top Democrat on the House intelligence committee, tweeted: “President Trump just attacked our intelligence agencies and law enforcement for doing their jobs while standing next to a dictator who intervened in our election to help elect Trump. Putin will take this as a green light to interfere in 2018, and it is. Cowardly and shameful.”

And Jeff Flake, a Republican senator from Arizona, tweeted: “I never thought I would see the day when our American President would stand on the stage with the Russian President and place blame on the United States for Russian aggression. This is shameful.”

For his part, Putin acknowledged that he wanted Trump to win the 2016 election but reiterated his denial of meddling. Speaking through an interpreter, he said: “We should be guided by facts. Can you name a single fact that would definitively prove collusion? This is utter nonsense. Just like the President recently mentioned.”

In the wake of last week’s indictment of 12 Russian military officers for hacking and leaking Democratic emails, Putin offered to allow the special counsel Robert Mueller’s team to visit Russia and witness the accused being questioned – but only if the US made a reciprocal arrangement concerning individuals charged with crimes on Russian territory.

The 45-minute news conference followed a dialogue between Trump and Putin, with only interpreters present, at the Finnish presidential palace, followed by a working lunch - the first such event between a US and Russian president since 2010.

Journalists gathered in a baroque ballroom decorated with columns, gold leaf and crystal chandeliers and, behind the podium, five American and five Russian flags. Before the press conference started, a man, said to be holding a sign protesting against nuclear weapons, was bundled out of the room by three security guards.

The two leaders were an unlikely match at the podium. Trump, bigger and taller, had held political office for just 18 months; Putin has been at the top of government for 18 years.

Trump shook his counterpart’s hand and whispered, “Thank you very much”, before congratulating him on the successful hosting of the World Cup. Eager to take credit, he claimed: “Our relationship has never been worse than it is now. However, that changed as of about four hours ago.”

Later, questioned why relations had deteriorated so badly, he said: “I hold both countries responsible. I think the United States has been foolish... I think we’ve all been foolish. We’re all to blame. We should have had this dialogue a long time ago... We have both made some mistakes. I think the probe is a disaster for our country.”

The comments prompted consternation in Washington. Republican Senator Ben Sasse of Nebraska said: “This is bizarre and flat-out wrong. The United States is not to blame. America wants a good relationship with the Russian people but Vladimir Putin and his thugs are responsible for Soviet-style aggression. When the President plays these moral equivalence games, he gives Putin a propaganda win he desperately needs.”

There was some relief for western diplomats in that the press conference offered few clues as to whether Trump had made major concessions that would undermine Nato or Ukrainian sovereignty. Asked about Crimea, Putin said Trump “continues to maintain that it was illegal to annex it. Our viewpoint is different.”

The Russian leader was also asked about claims that he holds compromising material on Trump; there have long been rumours of a video tape in which Trump was caught in a Russian hotel with sex workers. He quipped: “I was an intelligence officer and I know how dossiers are made up.”

Putin added: “Now to the compromising material, I did hear this rumour. When Trump visited Moscow back then, I didn’t even know he was in Moscow.”

Trump interjected: “If they had it, it would have been out long ago.”

But once again Trump seemed utterly resistant to saying anything negative about the Russian president. Having branded the European Union a “foe” over the weekend, he said of Putin: “I called him a competitor, and a good competitor he is. The word competitor is a compliment.”

Putin, basking in the afterglow of Russia’s hosting of the World Cup, presented Trump with a football and said: “Now the ball is in your court.” Trump, smiling, replied: “That will go to my son Barron, no question.” He passed it to his wife, Melania, sitting on the front row along with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and other senior officials.

Lindsey Graham, a Republican senator from South Carolina, tweeted: “... if it were me, I’d check the soccer ball for listening devices and never allow it in the White House.”


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#5. To: Willie Green (#0)

There's that word "treasonous" again. That's the word that losers in the political game like to lob at the winners.

They stamp their little feetsies and mewl and puke and call the people they oppose "traitors". It makes them feel better, I guess.

Whatever. Eye roll.

I thought Trump did great. THIS was what I elected him to do, above all else: make peace with Russia and put us on the path of cooperation, so that we don't have to maintain the huge armed forces we have all around the world, and can save that money and balance our budget, so that we have a future.

Duh.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-07-16   15:27:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Vicomte13 (#5)

There's that word "treasonous" again.

I thought Trump did great. THIS was what I elected him to do, ----

We agree about Trump.. -------------------- There was NO way that any of his words approached being treasonous.

The fact remains that those who advocate making laws respecting religious views, ---- are giving aid and comfort to enemies of our Constitution...

tpaine  posted on  2018-07-16   17:16:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: tpaine, Vicomte13 (#11)

The fact remains that those who advocate making laws respecting religious views, ---- are giving aid and comfort to enemies of our Constitution...

U.S. Const. Art. I, §8 Cl. 1:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States

Romans 13:7 “Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.”

That seems to be a Christian religious view, whether Catholic or Protestant.

Does this mean that espousing laws respecting the payment of taxes and revenues is giving aid and comfort to enemies of our Constitution?

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-16   18:00:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: nolu chan (#13)

Romans 13:7 “Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, -----

Does this mean that espousing laws respecting the payment of taxes and revenues is giving aid and comfort to enemies of our Constitution?

No, this means that those who advocate blind obedience to 'authorities', --- are enemies of our Constitution...

tpaine  posted on  2018-07-16   22:23:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: tpaine (#17)

[NAS Leviticus 18:22] "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

[NAS Leviticus 20:10-13] "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who liie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them."

[NAS Matthew 19:4-5] "[5]And He answered and said, 'Have you not read, that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, [6] and said 'FOR THIS CAUSE A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER, AND SHALL CLEAVE TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'?"

If a Christian adheres to the religious belief that homosexual sex is an abomination, detestable, and wrong, and advocates to enshrine his religious belief into law, is that giving aid and comfort to enemies of our Constitution?

If an atheist adheres to the belief that same sex marriage is against the will of God, and advocates to enshrine that belief into law, is that giving aid and comfort to enemies of our Constitution?

In 2015, the Court held that DOMA was unconstitutional as a deprivation of the liberty of the person protected by the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution. That would be the liberty emanation from the penumbra of the Fifth Amendment.

If one sought to reverse Obergefell, would that be giving aid and comfort to enemies of our Constitution?

Atheists as well as Christians can hold the belief that homosexual sex or homosexual marriage is bad, and atheists may advocate for their obviously non-religious belief to be enshrined into law. Is Christian advocacy somehow giving aid and comfort to enemies of our Constitution, but atheist advocacy for the same thing not a problem because have no religious beliefs?

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-17   11:27:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: nolu chan (#33)

Vicomte13 (#5) ----- There's that word "treasonous" again. ---- I thought Trump did great. THIS was what I elected him to do, ----

We agree about Trump.. -------------------- There was NO way that any of his words approached being treasonous. -------------------- The fact remains that those who advocate making laws respecting religious views, ---- are giving aid and comfort to enemies of our Constitution... --- tpaine

Nolu --- Atheists as well as Christians can hold the belief that homosexual sex or homosexual marriage is bad, and atheists may advocate for their obviously non-religious belief to be enshrined into law. Is Christian advocacy somehow giving aid and comfort to enemies of our Constitution, but atheist advocacy for the same thing not a problem because have no religious beliefs?

From my agnostic pov, -- trying to legislate harmless aspects of sexual morality is ,BAD, --- regardless of the beliefs of the advocates..

If harm is done, laws can be written, -- within constitutional guidelines, -- to protect those harmed by the activity...

tpaine  posted on  2018-07-17   12:01:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: tpaine (#37)

From my agnostic pov, -- trying to legislate harmless aspects of sexual morality is ,BAD, --- regardless of the beliefs of the advocates..

Beliefs can be bad or stupid and not be unconstitutional or make an adherent treasonous or constitute giving aid and comfort to enemies of our Constitution.

As Justice Stewart wrote in Griswold,

MR. JUSTICE STEWART, whom MR. JUSTICE BLACK joins, dissenting.

Since 1879 Connecticut has had on its books a law which forbids the use of contraceptives by anyone. I think this is an uncommonly silly law. As a practical matter, the law is obviously unenforceable, except in the oblique context of the present case. As a philosophical matter, I believe the use of contraceptives in the relationship of marriage should be left to personal and private choice, based upon each individual's moral, ethical, and religious beliefs. As a matter of social policy, I think professional counsel about methods of birth control should be available to all, so that each individual's choice can be meaningfully made. But we are not asked in this case to say whether we think this law is unwise, or even asinine. We are asked to hold that it violates the United States Constitution. And that I cannot do.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-17   13:17:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#44. To: nolu chan, Y'ALL (#39)

Nolu --- Atheists as well as Christians can hold the belief that homosexual sex or homosexual marriage is bad, and atheists may advocate for their obviously non-religious belief to be enshrined into law. Is Christian advocacy somehow giving aid and comfort to enemies of our Constitution, but atheist advocacy for the same thing not a problem because have no religious beliefs?

From my agnostic pov, -- trying to legislate harmless aspects of sexual morality is ,BAD, --- regardless of the beliefs of the advocates.. ----- If harm is done, laws can be written, -- within constitutional guidelines, -- to protect those harmed by the activity... ----- tpaine

Nolu ---- Beliefs can be bad or stupid and not be unconstitutional or make an adherent treasonous or constitute giving aid and comfort to enemies of our Constitution.

You asked the initial question above, -- and I gave you my opinion, --- now, you're trying to make advocating for bad, unconstitutional law, --- which you admit is stupid, --- what? -- Just a difference of.political opinion?

Looks to me you're giving aid and comfort to our enemies...

tpaine  posted on  2018-07-17 21:58:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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