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Title: Mueller indicts 12 Russians for DNC hacking
Source: CNN
URL Source: https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-n ... -russia-indictments/index.html
Published: Jul 13, 2018
Author: Brian Ries, Meg Wagner and Amanda Wills
Post Date: 2018-07-13 13:38:13 by Jameson
Keywords: Putin, is donnie, handler
Views: 157
Comments: 31

Indictments in Mueller probe: Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein announced indictments against 12 Russian officers for hacking.

The charges: Eleven of the Russians are charged with identity theft, conspiracy to launder money and conspiracy to commit computer crimes.

Trump was told the indictments were coming.

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Poster Comment:

Dip-shit Donnie took steps to make sure he was out of the country while this was going down.

Perhaps we can expect even more news before Monday?

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#1. To: All (#0)

Additionl details from CNBC Special counsel Robert Mueller has obtained a new indictment charging 12 Russian intelligence officers with hacking Democrats to intefere with the 2016 presidential election, and with stealing information of about 500,000 American voters, the Justice Department announced Friday.

The indictment lodged by a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C., accuses the Russian spies of hacking into the Democratic National Committee and the presidential campaign of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and of releasing emails obtained from that cybersnooping with a goal of influencing the election.

Two of the defendants are also "charged with conspiring to infiltrate computers of organizations responsible for administering elections, including state boards of election, secretaries of state, and companies that supply software and other technology used to administer elections," said Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.

Read the full indictment here. https://sc.cnbcfm.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/editorialfiles/2018/07/13/netyksho_et_al_indictment.pdf

It was the hacking of a state election board that led to the theft of information about the 500,000 voters, he said.

Rosenstein said the "conspirators created fictitious online personas, including 'DCLeaks' and 'Guccifer 2.0,' and used them to release thousands of stolen emails and other documents, beginning in June 2016."

"The defendants falsely claimed that DCLeaks was started by a group of American hackers and that Guccifer 2.0 was a lone Romanian hacker," he said.

The swiped emails were both made public and transferred to another organization, Rosenstein said, without identifying that organization. He added that the conspirators discussed timing the release of the documents "in an attempt to enhance the impact on the election."

"The conspirators corresponded with several Americans through the internet," Rosenstein said. "There is no allegation in the indictment that the Americans knew they were communicating with Russian intelligence officers."

However, the indictment says that “The Conspirators, posing as Guccifer 2.0, also communicated with U.S. Personas about the release of stolen documents. On or about August 15, 2016, the Conspirators, posing as Guccifer 2.0, wrote to a person who was in regular contact with senior members of the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump, ‘thank u for writing back … do u find anyt[h]ing interesting in the docs I posted?’”

"On or about August 17, 2016, the Conspirators added, 'please tell me if I can help u anyhow … it would be a great pleasure to me,''" according to the indictment. "On or about September 9, 2016, the Conspirators, again posing as Guccifer 2.0, referred to a stolen DCCC document posted online and asked the person, “what do u think of the info on the turnout model for the democrats entire presidential campaign.” The person responded, [p]retty standard."

In another case, the indictment said, "On or about August 15, 2016, the conspirators posing as Guccifer 2.0 receive a request for stolen documents from a candidate for U.S. Congress. The Conspirators responded as Guccifer 2.0 ... and sent the candidate stolen docs related to the candidate's opponent."

It appears that Mr. Mueller's work has produced sufficient evidence to convince a grand jury that crimes have been committed.

Indeed, Putin's KGB hacked the US election to benefit DSD45.

Jameson  posted on  2018-07-13   13:56:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Jameson (#1)

The DOJ's and FBI's credibility has been shot to hell so thoroughly that any allegation, and even an indictment, can hardly be taken at face value. All a grand jury does is vote on whether there is enough evidence for a trial. Like with the Russian dossier, the evidence could well have been fabricated, and as a guy in the IT field, I can tell you it's next to impossible to look at computer transmissions and know who's behind it. IP addresses are worthless when it comes to proving a personal identity, as such things can be forged by the CIA itself, and computers can certainly be hacked in daisy chain fashion, meaning an offending PC in Moscow could well be controlled by someone working in the Bahamas via a computer in Nambia to a PC in India to a computer in China to another in England which is the one controlling the one in Moscow.

But I guess we could just trust that the DOJ is doing an honest and thorough job. As we all know, the US government would never lie to the American people.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-07-13   14:07:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: All (#0)

he indictment charges that the conspirators “received a request for stolen materials from a candidate for the U.S. Congress,” and “sent the candidate stolen documents.” The Wall Street Journal reported a year ago that “Guccifer 2.0,” one of the Russian hackers, communicated with Florida-based Republican operative Aaron Nevins. Nevins is not named in this indictment, but the revelation that a candidate also communicated with Russian hackers indicates yet another point of contact in a conspiracy that went beyond Trump’s campaign.

The most direct path to the Trump campaign indicated in this indictment runs through Roger Stone. The Republican dirty trickster officially left the Trump campaign in 2015, but remained in regular contact with Trump throughout the campaign.

Stone admittedly engaged in direct communication with one of the indicted Russian agents. The indictment cites Stone’s contact with Guccifer 2.0:

That certainly looks like acting as an accessory to a crime. Stone promises he will “never roll on Trump,” unlike John Dean, who fingered President Nixon for crimes during Watergate. The promise and the analogy both suggest that Stone has evidence of culpability between Trump and Russia.

Roger Stone WILL roll on the orange russian

Jameson  posted on  2018-07-13   14:07:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Jameson (#0) (Edited)

Did the Odumbass Feeb ever get a look at that DNC server before the Awans stole it? No?

Still nothing whatsoever connecting Donald Trump to anything, so the corrupt Odumbass regime blows chaff.

I hope the President buries all these leftist assholes under the jail when this shakes out.

Hank Rearden  posted on  2018-07-13   14:09:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Pinguinite (#2)

The DOJ's and FBI's credibility has been......................

Nice cut and paste job from the hannity website.....

I do not doubt your credentials. I believe you are certainly an expert.

You should contact the SC's office immediately and share this information with them.

Jameson  posted on  2018-07-13   14:12:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Hank Rearden (#4)

nothing whatsoever connecting Donald Trump to anything

Right!!

Plausible deniability couldn't save Nixon..........

it won't save the orange baby either...........

Jameson  posted on  2018-07-13   14:14:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Jameson (#5)

Nice cut and paste job from the hannity website.....

I do not doubt your credentials. I believe you are certainly an expert.

Listen Jameson. It's like this.

You hate Trump. You hate him. You hate his personality, you hate his business success, you hate his hair, you hate his family. You hate everything and anything about him.

And that's okay. I get it. A lot of people hate him. The only thing I object to is that all the people feeling that way think they are unbiased, just like that Peter Strok, or whatever his name is. If you are going to hate the guy, just be honest enough to admit it. That's all I ask.

Hell, I don't like everything about him either. But I'm not in the Hate-Trump cult, and the corruption in the DOJ and FBI is plain for all to see. If you wish Hillary were president instead, you are in good company with the rot that still infests DC.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-07-13   14:21:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Jameson, Guccifer 2.0, X45 (#1)

August 15, 2016, the conspirators posing as Guccifer 2.0 receive a request for stolen documents from a candidate for U.S. Congress. The Conspirators responded as Guccifer 2.0 ... and sent the candidate stolen docs related to the candidate's opponent."

Very interesting.

Ready for Bernie

hondo68  posted on  2018-07-13   14:22:06 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Pinguinite (#7) (Edited)

the corruption in the DOJ and FBI is plain for all to see

So the debate is this:

A. Russia ("KGB" which is unquestionably corrupt and working globally to enrich themselves and their vast legion of criminal enterprises) did all they could manage to hack the US elections in 2016. They did this to help elect the candidate who would do the least to stop them. They succeeded.

B. The FBI, CIA, and DOJ are so corrupt that they have found a way to frame the entire administration of DS45 to cover up for the private rants of a couple of agents. - Or to cover up for some other imagined wrong-doing by someone.....somewhere.

I believe A.

You do not.

You hate Trump. You hate him. You hate his personality, you hate his business success, you hate his hair, you hate his family. You hate everything and anything about him.

Please don't attempt to speak for me.

The man you elected (?) president is a greasy, degenerate, lying sack of shit.

It is apparent that you and about 30% of the population know this and still don't care.

Jameson  posted on  2018-07-13   14:45:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: hondo68 (#8)

Ready for Bernie

You're funny!! Good One!

Jameson  posted on  2018-07-13   14:47:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jameson (#0)

Just as Trump flies to Helsinki to meet with Putin. Seems like quite a coincidence. Or it is something for Trump to beat Putin over the head with. It will change the tone and dynamics of the Helsinki summit.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-07-13   14:47:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Tooconservative (#11)

Seems like quite a coincidence. Or it is something for Trump to beat Putin over the head with.

I think you might have the power dynamics backward.....

DSD45 has know this was coming for some time - he's going to Putin to beg for help.

Jameson  posted on  2018-07-13   14:52:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Tooconservative (#11)

I thought the DNC "hacking" was really an inside job with the files transferred to a flash drive, not over the Internet. Something about the transfer time and connection speed.

Or is that something different?

misterwhite  posted on  2018-07-13   15:03:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Jameson (#1)

It appears that Mr. Mueller's work has produced sufficient evidence to convince a grand jury that crimes have been committed.

Proving, yet again, that anyone could indict a ham sandwich.

As no alleged criminal is alleged to be in the United States or in any country which would turn them over to the United States, there will be no trial, no presentation of evidence, no witnesses, just a big fat nothing burger. At least this time, the discredited hacks did not indict a nonexistent corporation, or worse, an existing corporation which could (and did) appear via their attorney to demonstrate what an incredible sham the whole indictment was.

Nobody hacked the DNC. The DNC data was downloaded direct to a USB drive.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-13   15:07:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: misterwhite, Jameson (#13)

I thought the DNC "hacking" was really an inside job with the files transferred to a flash drive, not over the Internet. Something about the transfer time and connection speed.

I think they're referring to the (so-called) hacking of Podesta's email account.

It was a GMail account with thousands of emails that he had sent/read over about a decade. Podesta's password was..."password".

Not exactly a strong password. I assume every intel agency on the planet got a copy of the same stuff.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-07-13   15:14:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: nolu chan (#14)

just a big fat nothing burger

Believe what you will.

Jameson  posted on  2018-07-13   15:17:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Tooconservative (#15)

Podesta's password was..."password".

HAHAHA!! I did not know that! that's pretty funny!

What a dope!

Jameson  posted on  2018-07-13   15:19:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jameson (#17)

HAHAHA!! I did not know that! that's pretty funny!

He was really embarrassed when that came out. He's kinda hidden from the cameras ever since. I think his brother's lobby shop has dried up too.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-07-13   15:23:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Pinguinite, Jameson (#2)

The DOJ's and FBI's credibility has been shot to hell so thoroughly that any allegation, and even an indictment, can hardly be taken at face value.

All a grand jury does is vote on whether there is enough evidence for a trial. Like with the Russian dossier, the evidence could well have been fabricated...

Yup. DoJ/FBI lack any and all cred. Same of Mueller's fake Witch Hunt.

This is a BAD theatrical stunt, obviously. There are no concrete names tied to concrete misdeeds. Only the naive or morons take this at face value (aka DEMOCRATS/The Resistance".

The Russians have already challenged this crock....and LAUGHED!!

Liberator  posted on  2018-07-13   15:33:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Tooconservative, misterwhite, Jameson (#15)

Podesta's password was..."password".

Your source article is slightly in error.

The commonly assigned initial default was p@ssw0rd and the claim is that Podesta never changed it.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/22335

This email has also been verified by Google DKIM 2048-bit RSA key

2 things

From:eryn.sepp@gmail.com
To: john.podesta@gmail.com
Date: 2015-02-19 00:35
Subject: 2 things

Though CAP is still having issues with my email and computer, yours is good to go.

jpodesta
p@ssw0rd

I warn you, the Windows 8 system is VERY different from what we had back at the WH. Might require a tutorial. It's an operating system that is best with touch screens, which we obviously don't have. If you need tech's help, they're at x5683. Otherwise, I can show you some tricks when I get in. I have it on my home computer, and it took a while to get used to completely.

Second thing, because of the snow day, my makeup passport appt is tomorrow at 8 am nearby State. No clue how long this takes. If you haven't seen it, earlier I sent you your schedule in an attachment. First thing is Roger Altman at 10:45 am. I'll have my phone the whole time and will check email often.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-13   15:36:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Jameson, Gatlin (#1)

It appears that Mr. Mueller's work has produced sufficient evidence to convince a grand jury that crimes have been committed.

Indeed, Putin's KGB hacked the US election to benefit DSD45.

Either you are clinically insane. OR are quite comfortable supporting an obvious lie. OR dwell in an alternative universe.

I wouldn't trust your ilk to guard hamster entombed in a missile silo and NOT attempt to molest it.

Liberator  posted on  2018-07-13   15:36:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: nolu chan, Jameson (#20)

Podesta: "If you need tech's help, they're at x5683. Otherwise, I can show you some tricks when I get in. I have it on my home computer, and it took a while to get used to completely."

Were the Alwan Bros the "tech help"?

Notice how the Jamesons of the Martian Colony sanitariums ignore the obvious? The DNC left the front door, back door, window and roof open to thieves -- yet they and the reptilian Mueller STILL blame "Russian hackers" and (bwaahaa!!) Trump? Such a lame, pathologically lying and dishonest MSM and Dem Party.

Oh...and Podesta's emails titled or keyworded, "PIZZA" would singularly take down Hollywood, DC and London in one fall swoop. Obviously already confiscated and buried.

Liberator  posted on  2018-07-13   15:44:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Jameson (#16) (Edited)

Believe what you will.

Re: United States of America v. Internet Research Agency LLC et al., USDC District of Columbia 18-cr-32.

I believe I will take as instructive, the cluster foxtrot that is Internet Research Agency and the government's indictment of a non-existent corporation, flawed indictment, and utter failure of service whose requirement was as unexpected as the appearance of attorneys.

After a publicity stunt gone wrong in presenting the indictment, the Keystone Kops were flabbergasted when a corporate defendant appeared via its attorney. They were really in a mess when the court DENIED Mueller's request to delay the first court hearing, and in an order of Saturday 5 May 2018 scheduled that first hearing for Wednesday 9 May 2018.

Attorneys for Concord Management and Consulting LLC very unexpectedly showed up in court, forced the first appearance on May 9th, and left the Mueller team looking real stupid. The Mueller team has not effected service on the other defendants and has no way to do so.

In a motion of 6 July 2018, Doc 44, the GOVERNMENT'S MOTION REGARDING STATUS OF SERVICE, states,

GOVERNMENT’S MOTION REGARDING STATUS OF SERVICE

The United States of America, by and through Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller, III, respectfully moves the Court to order the government to submit a status report, in lieu of a hearing, regarding service by September 7, 2018. During the May 9, 2018 arraignment of Defendant Concord Management and Consulting, LLC, the Court set a control date of July 9, 2018, to receive an update regarding service of the summons on two codefendants, Concord Catering and Internet Research Agency, LLC. The government has submitted service requests to the Russian government pursuant to a mutual legal assistance treaty. To the government’s knowledge, no further steps have been taken within Russia to effectuate service. The government therefore respectfully requests that the Court order the government to submit a status report, in lieu of a hearing, regarding service by September 7, 2018.

Amid much fanfare, in a publicity stunt, Mueller's team presented the indictment not contemplating anyone showing up. Having been forced by the court to make the initial appearance on May 9, 2018, it has become painfully obvious that the Mueller team has no case and is still not prepared to leave the starting line.

To cover for this bullshit, they have mucked up some new bullshit, with no corporate defendants who can appear by their attorney and force them to actually proceed.

Service will be no different this time, and as in Internet Research Agency, today's crap was a publicity stunt with no intention of ever proceeding to a trial.

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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/04/mueller-russia-interference-election-case-delay-570627

Judge rejects Mueller's request for delay in Russian troll farm case

Russian firm linked to Putin’s chef accuses special counsel of ‘pettifoggery.’

By JOSH GERSTEIN
Politico
05/04/2018 06:56 PM EDT

Updated 05/05/2018 06:37 PM EDT

A federal judge has rejected special counsel Robert Mueller’s request to delay the first court hearing in a criminal case charging three Russian companies and 13 Russian citizens with using social media and other means to foment strife among Americans in advance of the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

In a brief order Saturday evening, U.S. District Court Judge Dabney Friedrich offered no explanation for her decision to deny a request prosecutors made Friday to put off the scheduled Wednesday arraignment for Concord Management and Consulting, one of the three firms charged in the case.

[snip]

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/09/mueller-russia-probe-concord-management-pleads-not-guilty-578535

Russian firm pleads not guilty in Mueller election case

By JOSH GERSTEIN
Politico
05/09/2018 03:44 PM EDT

[excerpt]

Neither Prigozhin nor any officer or owner of Concord Management showed up at the U.S. district court in Washington for the brief arraignment hearing. However, two U.S. attorneys, Eric Dubelier and Kate Seikaly of law firm Reed Smith, represented the company.

"We waive formal reading of the indictment and enter a plea of not guilty and exercise our right to a speedy trial," Dubelier told U.S. Magistrate Judge G. Michael Harvey.

Prosecutors had raised concerns about whether the lawyers could appear for the firm without accepting a formal summons in the case, but Harvey said federal court rules permit a corporation to appear through a lawyer.

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United States of America v. Internet Research Agency LLC et al., USDC District of Columbia 18-cr-32, Doc 10 (14 May 2018) DEFENDANT CONCORD MANAGEMENT AND CONSULTING LLC’S MOTION PURSUANT TO RULE 6(e)(3)(E)(ii) FOR IN CAMERA INSPECTION OF LEGAL INSTRUCTIONS PROVIDED TO THE GRAND JURY REGARDING COUNT ONE OF THE INDICTMENT

At 1-2:

I. Introduction

The Court is well aware that heretofore investigations of alleged improper foreign involvement in American elections have been handled by the United States Department of Justice (“DOJ”); specifically the Campaign Finance Task Force created by former Attorney General Reno in 1997, and where the Court worked as a prosecutor from September 1997 to August 1998. Former Attorney General Reno refused to bow to massive political pressure to appoint a special counsel, and instead the Task Force methodically investigated and prosecuted. Now, some twenty years later, the Deputy Attorney General acting for the recused Attorney General has rejected the history and integrity of the DOJ, and instead licensed a Special Counsel who for all practical political purposes cannot be fired, to indict a case that has absolutely nothing to do with any links or coordination between any candidate and the Russian Government. The reason is obvious, and is political: to justify his own existence the Special Counsel has to indict a Russian – any Russian. Different from any election case previously brought by the DOJ, the Special Counsel used the catch-all provision of the federal criminal code, the defraud prong of conspiracy, 18 U.S.C. § 371, to allege that a foreign corporate defendant with no presence in the United States and having never entered the United States, engaged in the make-believe crime of conspiring to “interfere” in a United States election. Indictment, Dkt. 1, ¶ 2. Presumably to bolster these allegations (which have a strong odor of hypocrisy), the Special Counsel has pleaded around the knowledge requirements of all related substantive statutes and regulations by asserting that Concord conspired to obstruct the functions of the United States Departments of Justice (“DOJ”) and State (“DOS”), and the Federal Election Commission (“FEC”). But violations of the relevant federal campaign laws and foreign agent registration requirements administered by the DOJ and the FEC require the defendant to have acted “willfully,” a word that does not appear anywhere in Count One of the Indictment. See 52 U.S.C. § 30109(d) and 22 U.S.C. § 618(a).

This sleight-of-hand does not relieve the Special Counsel from the requirement that the indictment contain all of the elements of the offense charged. See Russell v. United States, 369 U.S. 749, 763 (1962). As such, Count One of the Indictment appears to be facially invalid because it fails to charge an essential element of the offense of conspiracy to defraud the United States by impairing, obstructing and defeating the functions of the FEC and the DOJ, that is, that the Defendant acted willfully, in this case meaning that Defendant was aware of the FEC and FARA requirements, agreed to violate those requirements, and ultimately acted with intent to violate those requirements. See United States v. Pickett, 353 F.3d 62, 67 (D.C. Cir. 2004) (dismissing indictment that tracked only part of the statutory language). The absence of the word “willfully” in Count One of the Indictment establishes that Defendant has a particularized need to obtain the limited relief sought, that is, an in camera inspection of the legal instructions the Special Counsel provided to the grand jury. With that information, the Court can determine whether those instructions could support a motion to dismiss the facially invalid Count One of the Indictment.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-13   16:58:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Liberator (#22)

The DNC left the front door, back door, window and roof open to thieves -- yet they and the reptilian Mueller STILL blame "Russian hackers" and (bwaahaa!!) Trump? Such a lame, pathologically lying and dishonest MSM and Dem Party.

Not just hackers but Guccifer2 (not to be confused with the original Guccifer). Guccifer2 was bullshit, probably the invention of some DNC connection.

The Podesta emails spoke of pizza by the hour.

nolu chan  posted on  2018-07-13   17:04:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jameson (#9)

Please don't attempt to speak for me.

It's obvious I'm not. You are doing plenty of speaking for yourself.

The man you elected (?) president is a greasy, degenerate, lying sack of shit.

It is apparent that you and about 30% of the population know this and still don't care.

Whatever Trump's faults are, and doubtless he has a few, I'll only consider accusations from people who are reasonably unbiased. When I say there's a Hate-Trump cult, I'm not exaggerating. People simply hate him and always will, no matter what policies he pursues as president. It's hypocritical, of course, but it's what people in that cult do.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-07-13   17:38:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Tooconservative (#11)

Just as Trump flies to Helsinki to meet with Putin. Seems like quite a coincidence. Or it is something for Trump to beat Putin over the head with. It will change the tone and dynamics of the Helsinki summit.

My personal opinion is that Putin is a reasonably decent guy and the last time he and Trump got together, Trump asked him if Russia was involved in any meddling and Putin denied it so sufficiently that Trump basically couldn't get to second base on the topic. Trump seemed at least somewhat convinced that Putin was being truthful, or at minimum, doing a damn fine job of appearing to be truthful.

Both these two are smart guys, and I predict they'll hit it off personally. When Trump gets back, he's going to wonder how smart it was to expel all those Russia diplomats over the Skripal poisoning, and he may also wonder more about the alleged gas attack in Douma a few months back, for which the recent preliminary report from the UN investigating body says no traces of the alleged chem attack occurred. Trump may start to realize Putin is a better friend than the many swamp creatures in his administration.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-07-13   17:49:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Liberator (#21)

Either you are clinically insane. OR are quite comfortable supporting an obvious lie. OR dwell in an alternative universe.

It's called wishing in one hand and shitting in the other, I.E. he's wanting the impossible to be true.

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2018-07-13   19:20:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Jameson (#10)

The word that best describes you is "insane".

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-07-13   19:44:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jameson (#0)

The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming, emergency, emergency, everyone to get from street

paraclete  posted on  2018-07-13   22:20:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Pinguinite (#26)

Trump may start to realize Putin is a better friend than the many swamp creatures in his administration.

No, he isn't. Russia is a hostile power, by habit and custom. They still aim thousands of nuclear weapons at us and our allies.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-07-14   0:34:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Tooconservative (#30)

No, he isn't. Russia is a hostile power, by habit and custom.

Habit and custom? Staying locked in the past is not the way forward. Russia would never survive any attempts to invade Europe or the world. The USA has expanded influence, even to the border of Russia itself, while Russia has declined. At this time, Russia is focused on it's own survival, not world domination.

They still aim thousands of nuclear weapons at us and our allies.

As we do them, and nothing we can do will make them dismantle them, just as nothing they will do would make the US dismantle. Best to show them respect so they have no reason to use them.

Russia is no longer the enemy that they used to be by "habit and custom".

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-07-14   0:46:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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