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Title: Libertarianism Is A Fundamentally Flawed Ideology
Source: businessinsider.com
URL Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/why-libertarianism-fails-2012-12
Published: Dec 12, 2012
Author: Eric Zuesse
Post Date: 2018-07-13 05:28:47 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 166
Comments: 14

Two recent studies in evolutionary biology (discussed in Scientific American) concern the problem of why not all individuals cheat: "A key problem when trying to understand the evolution of cooperation has been the issue of cheaters." In other words: cheating helps the cheater, so why doesn't everyone cheat?

One finding ("Generalized Reciprocity") has been that to the extent that individuals in a culture trust and help strangers, the culture itself thrives, but that to the opposite extent, in which it's common to take from strangers without giving proportionally in return, the culture suffers and declines.

This means that cultures in which cheating is prevalent decline; that's one reason not everyone cheats - the more cheating there is, the weaker the culture is.

Another finding is that "cooperation could be a viable evolutionary strategy when individuals within the group collectively punish cheaters who don't pull their weight."

In other words: The only type of culture that can thrive is one in which there is prevalent trust, and in which there is also prevalent contempt and rejection of cheaters.

But what happens when the person who is held in contempt is not the cheater, but the cheater is instead more often admired because cheaters (by definition) avoid the barrier, to their personal success, of adhering to the rules of decency and fairness - the rules against frauds and against all other types of theft from others? It's by avoiding those barriers that cheaters win.

When success itself is admired, regardless of how it is won, then the result becomes what the philosopher Thomas Hobbes called "the state of nature," in which there is "continual fear, and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short."

This is what results when everyone places success above fairness or any other ethical objective. Some people call this "state of nature" "libertarianism," or "anarchy," and they think that this might-makes-right society is the ideal form of "government" (no government at all), towards which the world should strive.

However, the recent studies in evolutionary biology show that there is actually evolutionary benefit in "the state of nature" only if the culture happens to be one of trust of strangers, and of contempt for cheaters. But how can there continue to exist trust of strangers, and contempt for cheaters, in any "state of nature"?

It's too dangerous to trust strangers in such a society. Furthermore, contempt for cheaters imposes ethical rules that remove the state of nature, and that replace it with the imposed ethical order.

This is the problem that libertarian believers must wrestle with, if they are at all serious, instead of just ideological kooks.

So, rejecting government solves nothing. It's like rejecting food: The real issue isn't to reject food, it's to eat healthful food, and to avoid poisonous food. Similarly, the real issue isn't to reject government, it's to support good government, and to oppose bad government.

And so, too, the issue isn't whether government should be "small," or "big," but rather that it should be the best size to serve the public, who must bear its costs.

In other words: Libertarianism entirely avoids the real question, which is: What type of government is good? As an "ideology," libertarianism doesn't even make it to first base: it's fake, from the get-go. That's why libertarianism fails.

But what happens when the person who is held in contempt is not the cheater, but the cheater is instead more often admired because cheaters (by definition) avoid the barrier, to their personal success, of adhering to the rules of decency and fairness - the rules against frauds and against all other types of theft from others? It's by avoiding those barriers that cheaters win.

When success itself is admired, regardless of how it is won, then the result becomes what the philosopher Thomas Hobbes called "the state of nature," in which there is "continual fear, and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short."

This is what results when everyone places success above fairness or any other ethical objective. Some people call this "state of nature" "libertarianism," or "anarchy," and they think that this might-makes-right society is the ideal form of "government" (no government at all), towards which the world should strive.

However, the recent studies in evolutionary biology show that there is actually evolutionary benefit in "the state of nature" only if the culture happens to be one of trust of strangers, and of contempt for cheaters. But how can there continue to exist trust of strangers, and contempt for cheaters, in any "state of nature"?

It's too dangerous to trust strangers in such a society. Furthermore, contempt for cheaters imposes ethical rules that remove the state of nature, and that replace it with the imposed ethical order.

This is the problem that libertarian believers must wrestle with, if they are at all serious, instead of just ideological kooks.

So, rejecting government solves nothing. It's like rejecting food: The real issue isn't to reject food, it's to eat healthful food, and to avoid poisonous food. Similarly, the real issue isn't to reject government, it's to support good government, and to oppose bad government.

And so, too, the issue isn't whether government should be "small," or "big," but rather that it should be the best size to serve the public, who must bear its costs.

In other words: Libertarianism entirely avoids the real question, which is: What type of government is good? As an "ideology," libertarianism doesn't even make it to first base: it's fake, from the get-go. That's why libertarianism fails.

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“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.

Deckard  posted on  2018-07-13   5:33:10 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#1)

It’s best for a libertarian to try to represent libertarianism in a positive light rather than posting a meme and simply try to label someone a troll who constantly calls attention to the abject failures of libertarianism.

Instead of posting a meme, a libertarian needs to try and correct perceived falsehoods with what very few truths he can find about libertarianism and then gracefully confront what he considers to be unpopular or misleading narrative.

Making a point about right and wrong can and should be done; there’s no need for a libertarian provocateur to push the envelope just for its own sake. To continue to engage in such a practice, you will do far more harm than good for your cult-like liberty movement.

Just sayin’ …

Gatlin  posted on  2018-07-13   6:22:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Gatlin (#2)

So, rejecting government solves nothing.

False premise - libertarians do not "reject" government.

The rest of this is just more of your pathological obsession with denigrating others who believe in less gooberment than you do.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.

Deckard  posted on  2018-07-13   6:51:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Deckard (#3) (Edited)

So, rejecting government solves nothing.
You posted this quote when responding to my Post #2.
I never said anything about this.
Stop making up shit.

You do have trouble handling the truth….you always have.

Why are there no countries with a “libertarian” government?

Gatlin  posted on  2018-07-13   7:18:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Gatlin (#4)

If and when recreational marijuana becomes legal, all arguments for Libertarianism will go away. Adherents who were part of the movement will drift away and become liberals or conservatives. You'll never hear Libertarianism brought up again.

Which a) tells you everything you need to know about that philosophy and b) would be the only good thing to come out of legalization.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-07-13   7:55:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Gatlin (#4)

You posted this quote when responding to my Post #2. I never said anything about this.

The article did, you asked for me to correct perceived falsehoods which I did.

Stop making up shit.

Piss off Parsons you whining little prick.

You do have trouble handling the truth…

The bilge you post cannot by any stretch of the imagination be considered "truth". It's opinion, at best.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.

Deckard  posted on  2018-07-13   10:08:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: misterwhite (#5)

If and when recreational marijuana becomes legal, all arguments for Libertarianism will go away

You understand libertarianism even less than Parsons does.

Yeah - marijuana is the ONLY issue.

Efftard.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.

Deckard  posted on  2018-07-13   10:10:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Deckard (#7)

Yeah - marijuana is the ONLY issue.

No. I believe marijuana to be the only issue that motivates most advocates of Libertarianism and that, if made legal, would result in many no longer caring about Libertarianism.

Which is what I said.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-07-13   10:19:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Deckard (#6)

So, rejecting government solves nothing.
You posted this quote when responding to my Post #2.
I never said anything about this.

The article did ,,,

Okay, then you should have posted “To: 0” you dumbass.

Why can’t you can’t ever do anything right?

Gatlin  posted on  2018-07-13   10:24:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Deckard (#7)

You understand libertarianism even less than Parsons does.
Libertarianism has LESS to understand than any other philosophy because: “Libertarianism Is A Fundamentally Flawed Ideology.”

There …

Gatlin  posted on  2018-07-13   10:29:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Gatlin (#9)

Okay, then you should have posted “To: 0” you dumbass.

Stop your incessant whining you diaper-wetting little crybaby!

The post was addressed to you.

What fricking difference does it make whether it's post #0 or #4?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.

Deckard  posted on  2018-07-13   11:26:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Deckard (#11)

What fricking difference does it make whether it's post #0 or #4?
It points out your SLOPPY posting procedures.

Shape up …

Gatlin  posted on  2018-07-13   12:29:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: misterwhite (#8)

President Trump wisely took the marijuana issue away from the Dems for the mid- term election by supporting Sen Gardner's bill, the STATES Act =>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M53XLBd54Y

kenh  posted on  2018-07-13   22:38:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: kenh (#13)

by supporting Sen Gardner's bill, the STATES Act =>

That would be, "... by supporting Sen Gardner's and Sen Elizabeth Warren's bill, the STATES Act =>

misterwhite  posted on  2018-07-14   9:06:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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