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politics and politicians Title: Nice: House Republicans to force vote on abolishing ICE Basic good midterm politics. I think? Democrats have been trying to make July 4th about abolishing ICE, which is a radical, extreme position that would lead to open borders and undermine Americas national security, House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) told The Hill. I think its the wrong approach. I think everyone ought to be on record about where they stand on that issue. The Democratic bill is the Establishing a Humane Immigration Enforcement System Act championed by Mark Pocan of Wisconsin. It calls for a 17-member commission (ugh) to identify essential functions of ICE and reassign them to other government agencies. Silver lining: At least that would pare down the federal work force a little bit, right? As it turns out, no. Pocans bill explicitly requires the commission to [i]dentify appropriate means of ensuring that total Federal employment is not reduced with the abolition of ICE. Even when the left is in the mood for government reform, the federal leviathan remains as bloated as ever. The politics here are simple on their face. The idea of abolishing ICE polls moderately well with a Democratic Party thats drifting left and on par with gingivitis among the rest of the population. From Morning Consult: The Democratic numbers there are in line with what YouGov found a few weeks ago, with the party splitting 40/28 in favor of abolition at the time. Among the wider population, though, the split was just 21/44. Hence the GOP interest in forcing a floor vote on Pocans bill: The issue is tailor-made for pitting left-wing Democrats sympathetic to the anti-ICE position against centrist Dems who worry that strong left-wing support for abolishing the agency will convince swing voters that Democrats oppose immigration enforcement, period. Which of course they do, for non-violent illegals at least. So put em on record and leave Pelosi holding the bag, forced to explain why 100+ Dems or whatever voted to abolish Americas chief border enforcement agency. Centrists will be annoyed at the show of support by lefties for such a radical idea, lefties will be annoyed that there isnt more support at the top of the party for nuking ICE. A good time will be had by all. Theres just one wrinkle: Dont forget that, in the House, the GOP is defending more vulnerable seats this fall than Democrats are. As of March, there were 25 Republican-held seats in districts won by Hillary Clinton and 12 Democratic-held seats in districts won by Trump. All told, according to the Times, 42 Republican-held seats were less than solidly favored to stay that way this fall versus just 17 Democratic-held ones that fit the same description, plus another 22 that were pure toss-ups. Centrist Republicans are sufficiently worried about a backlash to Trumps immigration policies in their home districts that they just spent months trying to pass a symbolic DREAM amnesty, only to have the effort ultimately crash and burn. Which is to say, although abolish ICE is terrible *national* politics, is it terrible politics in the 80 or so swing House districts thatll decide control of the chamber this fall? Not as clear. I doubt youll see even a single centrist Republican vote to abolish ICE but they may not be thrilled with the idea of casting another pro-enforcement vote after their dream of DREAM went down the tubes. That raises a question, though. Why doesnt Cocaine Mitch force the same vote in the Senate? Throw together an abolish ICE bill, put it on the floor, and lets see how the Democratic heroes of 2020 shake out. Gillibrand and Elizabeth Warren are all-in; interestingly, leftist favorite Kamala Harris is a bit more cautious. And of course vulnerable red-state Democrats like Joe Manchin and Joe Donnelly who are up this fall will vote en masse against abolition, which can only annoy some of their base back home. Forcing politicians to vote on this who are facing a statewide or potentially national electorate makes even more sense than forcing House members to do so. McConnell should do it! In the meantime, though, heres Paul Ryan twisting the knife. Poster Comment: DailyWire: RUNNING SCARED: 3 Dems Introduce 'Abolish Ice' Proposal. Then They Vote No. Yep, the same three who introduced the bill to abolish ICE are now vowing to vote against their own bill. They were for it before they were against it.
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#12. To: Tooconservative (#0)
Great! Now get busy and vote on term limits: two four year terms for Senators and four two year terms for representatives! Presidents: two six year terms. Senators should be appointed and PAID out of the treasuries of the states they represent. Reps should be voted on by the people and paid out of state treasuries. We should see the end of gilded offices with too many staffers and an end to scandal, kickbacks, and all that other bullshit.
#15. To: IbJensen (#12)
Republican Presidents: two six-year terms. Democrat Presidents: two two-year terms.
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