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Title: Papa John's is surging after founder John Schnatter resigns from board and apologizes for using a racial slur
Source: Business Insider
URL Source: http://markets.businessinsider.com/ ... -racial-slur-2018-7-1027362411
Published: Jul 12, 2018
Author: Graham Rapier
Post Date: 2018-07-12 11:20:30 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 7687
Comments: 63


Shares of Papa John's surged more than 10% Thursday morning following the resignation of founder and executive chairman John Schnatter, who on Wednesday apologized for using a racial slur on a May conference call with company executives and an outside marketing agency.

"News reports attributing the use of inappropriate and hurtful language to me during a media training session regarding race are true," Schnatter said in a statement to Business Insider, alluding to Forbes' first reporting of the incident. "Regardless of the context, I apologize. Simply stated, racism has no place in our society."

The Louisville, Kentucky-based pizza chain said in a press release that it would announce a new chairman in the coming weeks.

"Our company was built on a foundation of mutual respect and acceptance," the company's apology said. "We take great pride in the diversity of the Papa John's family, though diversity and inclusion is an area where we will continue to strive to do better."

Papa John's once generated annual revenue of more than $1.7 billion, but took a hit following the NFL controversy. Its stock plummeted 11% soon after an earnings call that addressed the scandal, according to Forbes. Schnatter resigned as CEO in January but remained on the board.

Papa John's announced in late December that Schnatter would be stepping down as CEO and would be replaced by Steve Ritchie. However, Schnatter remained the chairman of the company's board. In March, Papa John's announced it had ended its sponsorship deal with the NFL after months of controversies and slumping sales. The next day, Pizza Hut announced that it was the new official pizza of the NFL.

Schnatter has a history of making political statements that have sparked controversy.

He came under fire in 2012 for saying the Affordable Care Act, the healthcare law better known as Obamacare, would be a "lose-lose" for Papa John's franchisees and employees. He has spoken out extensively against what he says is overregulation by the government.

Papa Johns were down almost 14% this year through Wednesday

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

Let's monitor and publicize ALL "minoritah" owners for historical quotes of "Whitey" or "Honky" then have THEIR quote become headline news...then THEIR business TRASHED.

(OH WAIT. This select censorship and lynching is a one-way street, right?)

Punishment of white business people. Male at that -- and REPARATIONS via PC BS.

Liberator  posted on  2018-07-12   11:38:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#0)

But was he correct about Harlan Sanders or not?
I'm pretty glad I don't rely on others to provide pizza in my house.

Hank Rearden  posted on  2018-07-12   11:38:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Deckard (#0)

Papa John's once generated annual revenue of more than $1.7 billion, but took a hit following the NFL controversy. Its stock plummeted 11% soon after an earnings call that addressed the scandal...

WHAT "scandal"?? Because Schnatter got tire of the BLM-NFL kneeling during the Anthem? THIS is why the national MSM lacks any cred and is so distrusted.

But anyway -- THAT IS THE REAL REASON FOR THIS HIT.

Liberator  posted on  2018-07-12   11:42:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Liberator (#1)

Punishment of white business people.

I'm not sure if he resigned or was "forced" to resign.

It's his company - he started it.

Why should he have to resign either way.

Don't know if the stock went up be cause the PC loons got rid of that "vile racist" or because conservatives are showing their support by buying the stocks.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.

Deckard  posted on  2018-07-12   11:56:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Deckard (#4) (Edited)

I'm not sure if he resigned or was "forced" to resign.

It's his company - he started it.

Why should he have to resign either way.

Right...

POLITICAL HIT.

THE issues are really reminiscent of the old Mafia mobster ways of "business". ("Nice Pizzeria ya got there...")

THIS Leftist Deep State gummint is so filthy. It's STILL character assassinating conservatives and their businesses.

Liberator  posted on  2018-07-12   12:00:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Deckard, Everybody (#4) (Edited)

I'm not sure if he resigned or was "forced" to resign.

Why should he have to resign either way.

In either case, it was far past time for him to go.

Don't know if the stock went up be cause the PC loons got rid of that "vile racist" or because conservatives are showing their support by buying the stocks.
Neither.

The stock jumped today because he got his ass out of the way so someone competent can now take over the business and get it back on solid ground.

His business was going to Hell in a handbasket. The stock (PZZA) is down 36.93% over the last 3-years, down 29.78% for the last 52-weeks and down 11.72% for the last 3-months.

You will need to do a “refresh” after clicking on:
Poppa John’s (PZZA) performance.
No matter how talented a businessman your are, or what you have accomplished, there are just certain words and phrases that if you use them, they will instantly change the way some people see you, will forever cast you in a bad light and BLOW your business to kingdom come.. These words and phrases are so LOADED with really negative implications and they undermine can your business in short order.

Papa John's Founder Accidentally Offers a Crucial Leadership Lesson in How Not to Behave.

If you can't stop yourself from saying something stupid, keep your mouth shut.

Papa John's Founder Accidentally Offers a Crucial Leadership Lesson in How Not to Behave If you can't stop yourself from saying something stupid, keep your mouth shut.

Schnatter is hardly a newcomer to controversy, whether it's remarks about health care for employees or blaming NFL players' taking a knee as a protest against racism for a bad company quarter in 2017.

In a May call between Papa John's management team and a marketing agency called Laundry Service -- which became the pizza company's creative agency of record last October -- someone asked Schnatter how he could deal with online racist groups as a continued impact of the 2017 statement.

He responded by downplaying the significance of his NFL statement. "Colonel Sanders called blacks n-----s," Schnatter allegedly said, before complaining that Sanders never faced public backlash. Laundry Service has a diverse leadership, as seen on the firm's team page.

Schnatter then talked about growing up in Indiana and incidents of racists dragging African Americans behind trucks until the victims died. Apparently, the intent was to show his disapproval of racism, but according to Forbes, multiple people at the agency were offended. The firm's owner, Wasserman Media Group, reportedly moved to terminate the contract with Papa John's and, as a result, took a financial hit that sparked a 10 percent workforce layoff. (The agency declined to comment when I asked.)

Papa John's sent Forbes a statement this morning that didn't dispute the reporting. Instead, it said, "Papa John's condemns racism and any insensitive language, no matter the situation or setting. ... We take great pride in the diversity of the Papa John's family, though diversity and inclusion is an area we will continue to strive to do better."

According to the story, Papa John's has been trying to keep Schnatter in a low profile and out of company ads. Ultimately, Schnatter supposedly pushed CMO Brandon Rhoten out of the company.

Racism is ugly in any context. Unfortunately, like other forms of bigotry, it's been all too easy to be brought up with influences that can become unconscious attitudes.

When you run a business, however, unconscious attitudes aren't an excuse, even when they're an issue of employees' and not official company practices. Just look at what Starbucks has faced over the past few months.

If companies are on the hood for their employees, they are even more so when it comes to management, like a company's founder and chairman.

Allowing any attitudes of bigotry to have free rein is a problem. But there are certain things that should be absolutely impossible. There are words you don't get to use if you're not African American, just as there are terms you don't get to use if you're not Jewish, Italian American, Native American, Asian, Hispanic, or any other group that has been marginalized.

You don't get to decide that there is a situation in which you can use them if you aren't part of the groups in question.

Netflix had an issue with its chief communications officer's using the n-word in front of colleagues on multiple occasions. CEO Reed Hastings wrote about it and his own failings in addressing the problem earlier:

As I reflect on this, at this first incident, I should have done more to use it as a learning moment for everyone at Netflix about how painful and ugly that word is, and that it should not be used. I realize that my privilege has made me intellectualize or otherwise minimize race issues like this. I need to set a better example by learning and listening more so I can be the leader we need.

John Schnatter overstepped important bounds. He's lost an important marketing relationship for the company. Words, even when small, have power. As an entrepreneur, be careful of the ones you use and where you use them.

https://www.inc.com/erik-sherman/racist-comment-shows-papa-johns-founder- doesnt-know-when-to-stop-talking.html

It's his company - he started it.
It was his company....he almost destroyed it.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-07-12   13:29:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Comrade Gatlin, Deckard, ALL (#6) (Edited)

Gatlin: "It was his company....he almost destroyed it".

No, yours is a FAKE NARRATIVE. Not surprising. Because you aren't close to being an actual REAL conservative. Instead you consistently support the Brownshirt tactics of Fascism, the anti-USA ACLU, and Totalitarianism/Communism. AS IN THIS CASE.

If you can't stop yourself from saying something stupid, keep your mouth shut.

Notice the blatant warning BY THE LEFT (in their own words) by their MSM Smear Machine? Expose and criticize the Left's Fake Outrages and Lies and Papa John's case is what is threatened.

WHAT HAPPENED:

A well-organized PC campaign was immediately launched to target John Schnatter to smear, punish, and personally destroy him. WHY?? (and ONLY a Tool of the Left would tell us that it was because of "racism" and "bigotry".)

Ostracizing, smears, and killing so large a business as Papa John's was intended as a cautionary tale by the Left. The same techniques and politics of personal destruction are being used as we've seen by those associated with Donald Trump. High-profile very recognizable public personalities are being warned NOT to expose the Left's influence in high places. How the Left did this and why should be chilling to ALL Americans.

So...Precisely and ONLY BECAUSE JOHN SCHNATTER TOLD THE TRUTH AND EXPOSED THE LEFT'S AGENDA -- specifically the BLM-NFL collusion to weaponize the NFL as a political sledgehammer to demonize Whitey, cops, and this Fake Outrage over "racism" -- Papa John's Pizza was set afire, destroyed.

Exposing the Truth and Agenda of the Left ALWAYS cause The Left to mobilize every weapon they have at their disposal. Schnatter instantly became an ENEMY of the Left, the ACLU, and of their agenda to create CW2.

Liberator  posted on  2018-07-12   14:05:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Hank Rearden (#2)

But was he correct about Harlan Sanders or not?

Of course he was.

But then this isn't about "Racism" or "bigotry" to begin with; It's about the Left's hypocrisy and mostly their ability to destroy those who expose them, their agenda.

For the intellectually honest, the REAL observation is one that the Left is FAR more bigoted, racist, intolerant and hateful of people. They weaponize their words and hate. But never pay THEIR price for it, do they? That penalty, that sentence, that public tar & feathering reserved ONLY for...conservatives.

As another reminder -- this whole NSA monitoring sham isn't about "security" -- never was; It's been about harvesting and exposing private conversations and semi-private conversations and things that the Left can weaponize in a public forum to destroy conservatives when need be.

Liberator  posted on  2018-07-12   14:26:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Gatlin (#6) (Edited)

No matter how talented a businessman your are, or what you have accomplished, there are just certain words and phrases that if you use them, they will instantly change the way some people see you, will forever cast you in a bad light and BLOW your business to kingdom come.. These words and phrases are so LOADED with really negative implications and they undermine can your business in short order.

Oh REALLY, Yoda?

So then why don't you tell us why Blacks can routinely use the word, "N*GGER" in song, in art, in business, as a matter of CONVERSATION -- with impunity? Tell us why they are NEVER EVER held accountable or "cast" in the SAME so-called "light" as white person and businessmen? (unless these blacks are...CONSERVATIVE??)

Why aren't THESE offenders and their self-indicting words and actions "blowing" THEIR businesses to "Kingdom Come"?

For that matter -- why are Democrats and the Left given the benefit of doubt when blatantly violating laws and also violating the standards of "bigotry" and racism"? Please explain why your side expects a One Way Street when it comes to laws, ethics and morality?

Is it because those "some people" YOU refer to are the SAME "some people" like Leftists-Democrat who as a rule exonerate "some people" -- guilty-parties like Hitlery Clinton, 0bama, and Jame Comey?

Gatlin, you aren't interested in the "Constitutionalist vs. Libertarian" argument; You aren't interested in "Right vs. Wrong"; You aren't interested in ethics or morality; You aren't interested in what's right and best for the USA.

You are interested only in advancing and weaponizing the lies and agenda of the radical,fascist Left, and ultimately relishing a future of a totalitarian, fascist government that has declared war upon the US Constitution, upon conservatism, and American people.

Who do you think you're fooling here??

Liberator  posted on  2018-07-12   14:46:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Deckard (#0) (Edited)

All he did was repeat a quote. He wasn't calling anybody anything.

BTW, other than that their pizza does suck.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2018-07-12   15:31:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Deckard (#0)

John Schnatter

From what I've been told, this guy is a classless jerk-off...

I don't know personally...and I really don't care.

I do care about pizza.

Papa John's pizza is in the same category as slices you can purchase at a convenience store...JMHO

Jameson  posted on  2018-07-12   15:45:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Jameson (#11)

From what I've been told, this guy is a classless jerk-off...

I share your opinion. I can't stand the guy.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2018-07-12   16:37:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: no gnu taxes (#10) (Edited)

BTW, other than that their pizza does suck.

I haven't been in the habit of buying pizzas in years and never had a Papa John's; I like pizza too much to degrade myself with most of the crap out there. One or two local joints do it pretty well, but I've taught myself how to make pretty much all the major styles, culminating with the Neapolitans once I finally got a wood-burning thousand-degree oven.

Pizza heaven when a beautiful Margherita Napolitana comes out perfect in about 90 seconds.

(not one of mine, but I can make 'em like this; it's surprisingly difficult to get the hang of the recipe and techniques, but not too hard once you do)

Hank Rearden  posted on  2018-07-12   16:50:48 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Liberator, Everybody (#7)

I see nothing in your rambling post worthy of my commentary.

The article below says essentially the same thing I said, or tried to say.

Analysts and brand specialists watching the implosion surrounding Papa John's John Schnatter say the pizza chain's fortunes may take a turn for the better without the founder in the mix.

Schnatter's hasty departure as chairman provides an opportunity for the Louisville- based company to chart a new course, unshackled from the bonds of a soured relationship with its creator, analysts said.

The markets seemed to agree with that assessment. The company lost $96 million in market value Wednesday, with shares falling to a 52-week low of $48.33, after Forbes reported Wednesday that Schnatter made a racial slur – the N-word – during a conference call aimed at helping him avoid public relations blunders.

Schnatter apologized, resigned from the University of Louisville Board of Trustees and from his company's chairmanship.

On Thursday investors flocked back to the company, with shares closing at $53.67 – nearly $3 higher than before the devastating Forbes story broke.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2018/07/12/analysts -papa-johns-better-off-its-founder-out-door/780540002/

Gatlin  posted on  2018-07-12   17:58:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Deckard (#4)

Why should he have to resign either way.

Because he went public with stock. He owes it to his shareholders, as the CEO, to not jeopardize their stock investments. When you own a PRIVATE BUSINESS, it’s in the best interest to be kind to EVERYONE... even niggers eat pizza.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-07-12   18:14:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Liberator (#9)

For Posting Comments
No matter how talented a businessman your are, or what you have accomplished, there are just certain words and phrases that if you use them, they will instantly change the way some people see you, will forever cast you in a bad light and BLOW your business to kingdom come.. These words and phrases are so LOADED with really negative implications and they undermine can your business in short order.

Oh REALLY, Yoda?

Yep. ABSOLUTELY.

Time proven factual....as is the case here with John Schnatter.

So then why don't you tell us why Blacks can routinely use the word, "N*GGER" in song, in art, in business, as a matter of CONVERSATION -- with impunity? Tell us why they are NEVER EVER held accountable or "cast" in the SAME so-called "light" as white person and businessmen? (unless these blacks are...CONSERVATIVE??)

Why aren't THESE offenders and their self-indicting words and actions "blowing" THEIR businesses to "Kingdom Come"?

LOL - You sound like a 4-year-old saying: Mommy, Johnny did that....why can’t I?

I will not bother with the rest of your post. It is just another ad hominem attack.

Grow the fuck up !!!

Gatlin  posted on  2018-07-12   18:14:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: GrandIsland (#15)

Good Answer.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-07-12   18:16:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Gatlin (#17)

Good Answer.

Thank you.

Glad you’re back, brother!

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-07-12   18:18:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: GrandIsland (#18)

Why don't you two homos get a room?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2018-07-12   18:20:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Fred Mertz (#12)

I share your opinion. I can't stand the guy.

Leave it to two snowflakes to agree.

F. U. both

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-07-12   18:23:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Fred Mertz (#19)

Why don't you two homos get a room?

I was thinking the same thing for you and that UK pickle smooching snowflake fag, Jameson.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-07-12   18:25:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: GrandIsland (#21)

Why don't you two homos get a room?

I was thinking the same thing for you and that UK pickle smooching snowflake fag, Jameson.

tt has been pretty well confirmed they have a standing reservation at Motel 6 every Saturday night.

Fred takes on the role of being the bitch.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-07-12   18:41:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Gatlin (#22)

Fred is the new Meguro.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-07-12   20:03:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Hank Rearden (#13)

I don't eat pizza that often anymore. But when I do I actually find that even a frozen supermarket pizza is better than anything served at a chain pizza store.

And Papa John's is the worst of them all.

So if people want to criticize him for something, criticize him for that. Better ingredients, Better Pizza, my ass.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2018-07-12   21:23:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: no gnu taxes (#24) (Edited)

I don't eat pizza that often anymore. But when I do I actually find that even a frozen supermarket pizza is better than anything served at a chain pizza store.

I've been toying with the idea of putting a frozen supermarket pizza in my wood-burning oven (at a much more reasonable temperature), just to see what happens.

Sadly, my dog died recently, so if it goes south it'll just have to get binned.

There's a bunch of 'national' chains I've never even seen, much less tried over the years. For instance, how's "Godfather's"?

Hank Rearden  posted on  2018-07-12   22:23:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Hank Rearden (#25)

You don't see much of Godfather's anymore except for some airports. I remember when they first opened in the late 70s, they were the best around. Then they cut costs, but were still okay. It's been years since I even tried their pizza.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2018-07-12   22:34:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: GrandIsland, Fred Mertz (#23)

Fred is the new Meguro.

You [GrandIsland] are a liar, a thief, and a cheat. Fred represents the highest ideals of posting experience. Never does he suggest your pathetic BS.

You are just a chitterer and chatterer to waste tyme and fuck around with everyone.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-07-12   22:37:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Liberator (#1)

Egad! Negroes call each other 'nigger' all the time and use the term in their repulsive 'rap' lyrics.

Diversity is NOT America's strength.

Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.

IbJensen  posted on  2018-07-13   11:38:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: IbJensen (#28)

Egad! Negroes call each other 'nigger' all the time and use the term in their repulsive 'rap' lyrics.

Diversity is NOT America's strength.

10 years ago I did a 3 day stay at a local county jail as a refusal to pay a fine for a charge I disputed. Geez, the black folks were were calling everyone niggers -- each other, black people they didn't know, and even white people. I found it more amusing than offensive.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2018-07-13   13:30:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: IbJensen (#28)

Egad! Negroes call each other 'nigger' all the time and use the term in their repulsive 'rap' lyrics.

Yup, they do. ALL THE TIME. Yet no "Hate Crime" is declared, no CNN headlines are bleated, and certainly no firings are reported in such cases. Which proves it's alleged "offensiveness" or "hate-speech" claim is...POLITICS. And pure unconstitutional BS.

But because we've noted that Academia's COMMUNISM-LEFT has been allowed to define the language and message via counterfeit intellectualism, ONLY klaguage THEY deem "offensive" is criminalized.

So the Left has weaponized and criminalized the use of "nigger" ONLY BY WHITES. Whether as a slur, a reference, or secondhand (by Papa John). (Where are the 1A Rights?? Funny how there are only **crickets by SCOTUS**

(Taking this nonsense further -- the SAME EXACT weaponizing and criminalizing ANY criticism or negative connotation of "queer" or "faggot" also applies.

On what planet (AND WHY) should this Leftist/CNN/ACLU-type of double-standard of fake-truth and fake ethics continue to be allowed to stand?

Liberator  posted on  2018-07-13   13:38:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: GrandIsland (#27)

Do I get the sense you pissed him off?

I notice he has been throwing lots of temper tantrums later.

Amusing…it really is.

I made him so mad that he allegedly placed me on bozo.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-07-13   13:40:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: no gnu taxes (#29)

10 years ago I did a 3 day stay at a local county jail as a refusal to pay a fine for a charge I disputed.

Geez, the black folks were were calling everyone niggers -- each other, black people they didn't know, and even white people. I found it more amusing than offensive.

Interesting/funny story. For more than one reason.

You must have been SHOCKED that no one was arrested for "Hate Crimes" and "Hate Speech".

(Oh wait -- maybe all that "offensive" banter, "YO NIGGA -- YOO A NIGGA! WHITEY, YOO A NIGGA TOO!!" was why all the black folk were in jail already. What a GREAT news scoop and bunch of lawsuits weremissed by 'Business Insider' and the ACLU!)

Liberator  posted on  2018-07-13   13:51:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Gatlin, Buckeroo (#31) (Edited)

I notice he has been throwing lots of temper tantrums later.

That's just your usual delusions and wishful thinking on your part, given your addiction to stupidity, chronic masochism and gluttony for punishment.

Serious question:

Given the frustration of the fleet of VA neurotherapists assigned to you as a result of your second badly executed baboon-brain transplant, have you considered implanting zucchini material?

Liberator  posted on  2018-07-13   14:08:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Hank Rearden, Chuck Wagon (#13)

One or two local joints do it pretty well, but I've taught myself how to make pretty much all the major styles, culminating with the Neapolitans once I finally got a wood-burning thousand-degree oven.

Pizza heaven when a beautiful Margherita Napolitana comes out perfect in about 90 seconds.

Sweet! Now THAT is real pizza.

Are you making fresh dough? Or buying it?

I hope you use Pecorino Romano as your hard cheese to go along with your fresh Mozzarella.

90 seconds? How long does it take to get it up to 1000 degrees? And how cost effective?

Liberator  posted on  2018-07-13   14:12:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Hank Rearden (#13)

How big or small is your wood-burning oven? (Is it designed for interior or exterior use?)

Liberator  posted on  2018-07-13   14:14:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: GrandIsland (#23)

Fred is the new Meguro.

It that's true, then Gatlin must be Meguro's tranny "mother".

;-)

Liberator  posted on  2018-07-13   14:16:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Gatlin (#31)

Ba ba ba Bucky is a dipshit. He wouldn’t say half the shit he does, if he was within ear distance of me. I’d take the criminal charge just to beat him like a pre civil war slave.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-07-13   17:55:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Liberator (#34) (Edited)

Sweet! Now THAT is real pizza.

Yes, indeed it is. It sort of freaks out family/friends who come over and try it, because it's so different from "regular" pizza. But absolutely everybody who tries it just loves it.

Are you making fresh dough? Or buying it?

Oh, of course! You can't buy Neapolitan dough unless there's an authentic pizzeria in the neighborhood willing to sell some. Even then, it has a peak "window" for baking, usually about 4 hours. You can cheat this a bit with refrigerated fermentation to save it for later, but that changes the characteristics of the dough which you need to allow for. You can't accelerate the process much, but it can be made about 8 hours in advance if you're willing to sacrifice some crust taste and texture (gotta let the yeastie bugs do their thing slowly for the best results).

I make it from scratch 24 hours in advance, using Italian flour, Italian canned tomatoes, Italian basil and yeast. Soon, a sourdough culture made from Italian yeast (to fully develop crust flavors) instead of instant dry yeast, now that I have all the other variables under control.

Flour, water, yeast, salt - that's it for the dough. Topping is raw San Marzano crushed tomatoes with salt and nothing else, plus fresh mozzarella and a few leaves of fresh basil I grow myself. A swirl of extra-virgin olive oil on top and that's it for a Margherita Napolitana. They are amazing pies; light, airy, just a little crispiness underneath and you can taste everything that goes into it. Rolling pins aren't allowed to leave the drawer when making my pizzas, by the way (they *may* reappear briefly when I start to learn Roman pizza, but we'll see).

Took me months to master the dough recipe proportions, mixing, kneading and fermenting - made about 30 ok-pizzas and a dozen or so that went into the trash along the way before I made my first great pizza. Not many ingredients but many variables to get a feel for. But now I can repeat it pretty much every time, having kept careful notes along the way. It's actually pretty easy to do once you've got it right - just watch some of the pros on YouTube. I taught myself because I live in the woods and nobody else anywhere around is making these as far as I know, but there are a LOT of resources on the web - let me know if you want to get started down the road and I'll hook you up. PizzaMaking.com is a good place to start poking around, or search YouTube for "neapolitan". If you like pizza, you'll never go back once you get the hang of it.

I hope you use Pecorino Romano as your hard cheese to go along with your fresh Mozzarella.

Yes, or Parmesana Reggiano if I'm out of Pecorino, but I often forgo other cheeses or just forget to pull them out. :-)

90 seconds? How long does it take to get it up to 1000 degrees? And how cost effective?

Depends on outside air temp and wind - can be done in 20 minutes, but I usually take 30-45 bringing it up a bit more slowly.

Here's the inventor of my oven taking it from snow-covered to 932F in 20 minutes. I have never made a 60-second pie; my shortest time is 70 secs in a raging-hot oven start and 90 is my target for a "relaxing" amount of time. I keep a digital countdown timer from ThermoWorks around my neck to help with timing; you need to turn it 3 times within a minute; it's easy to lose focus and burn stuff at these temps.

Very cost-effective, about $600 which is near the bottom of the price range for ovens that can get this hot and handle pies bigger than 13"; I start with about 10-12 charcoal briquettes in a Weber Junior chimney with a propane blowtorch from underneath to get them lit, then switch to alderwood once they get going. Can't get hot enough with just briquettes. It's cheap around here because I can see about a thousand trees from my house and many of them are alder.

And to get a Neapolitan right, you MUST be over 800-850F at least to bake it fast enough (the dough recipe turns from pillow-soft to a cracker if baked too long) and you MUST have a live flame front over the top to finish the crust properly - either wood, lump charcoal or gas. I tried everything I could think of to get my previous propane pizza oven to make Neapolitan and it just won't do it because it lacks these two things. It makes great American-style pies, though, so I still have it as a backup or for when making a lot of pies for a larger group.

I use an IR thermometer to manage the oven; for Neapolitan doughs the deck is 750-800F and the roof 950-1000F to get a 90-second Margherita. Other toppings on top of the cheese like meats, onions or mushrooms (2 toppings max, applied sparingly, on a Neapolitan; the crust is delicate) need slightly longer bakes (2 minutes or so), so I drop the temps 50-100F to prevent burning the top before the interior is cooked. My oven can do this easily in just a few minutes; the big domed masonry ovens not so much because of all the insulation and thermal mass, they're like big heat flywheels.

Neapolitan dough does very poorly at temps below 800F and conversely NYC or other "conventional" doughs will burn above 750-800F, so I make completely different doughs and use different temps depending on what I'm making.

How big or small is your wood-burning oven? (Is it designed for interior or exterior use?)

I use an Uuni Pro, from Finland via Scotland and the USA - great, great oven. Uuni.net for all the deets. They have a smaller one, the Uuni 3, but it's a wood-pellet burner only and I like the versatility of the Pro, which is not only larger but can burn charcoal, wood and gas in addition to pellets. It can handle up to about a 16" pizza - Neapolitans are traditionally 13-14" and are designed to be a one-person serving, but of course can be passed around. In Italy they're served uncut with a knife and fork.

No way it can be used indoors - at most in an open garage with the door up, but even then the exhaust is around 200F so you need to be careful. Definitely not in a kitchen - too much concentrated heat and it makes carbon monoxide from combustion.

I think this is my longest ad hoc from-scratch posting on LF ever. And since I've run this thread way off the rails........ here's a gratuitous nigga.

By the way, I don't keep cooking secrets so if you want my dough recipe PDF (developed for the Ankarsrum mixer, but should work for other heavy-duty machines) let me know in a PM with a place to drop it. You'll need to be patient with yourself; recipes are great starting points but you won't get it right until you try it a few times to develop technique and adjustments for your equipment, temp, humidity and handling. If you like to cook, it's a fun learning process with tremendous satisfaction when you finally nail it.

Ciao, I gotta go make some dough for the weekend.

Hank Rearden  posted on  2018-07-13   17:55:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Liberator (#36) (Edited)

I’ve never seen Gatlin talk fag, talk like a fag or DEFEND A FAG. Bucky sucks off Fred. Fred sucks off Pete... and Pete has a long history of sucking off Meguro. They ALL convey bleeding heart libtard ideologies at times and Pete’s agreed with Meguro more times than Bucky’s made duplicate accounts.

lol

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-07-13   17:57:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: GrandIsland (#39)

lol
That WAS funny.

You forget to mention that Liberator sucks off Bucky.

Trace back his posts to me each time I attack Bucky and see how quickly Liberator is there posting to me defending Bucky.

Liberator’s affection for Bucky is unnatural for one male to another male.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-07-13   19:05:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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