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Title: Court upholds convictions of 2012 Ron Paul campaign staffers
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URL Source: http://www.elpasoinc.com/news/ap_wi ... 54-5465-9417-68301c5b57b1.html
Published: Jun 16, 2018
Author: DAVID PITT
Post Date: 2018-07-08 04:20:34 by Gatlin
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Views: 1310
Comments: 38
Campaign chairman Jesse Benton, campaign manager John Tate and deputy campaign manager Dimitri Kesari were convicted in 2016 of causing false records to be filed, causing false campaign expenditure reports, engaging in a false statements scheme and conspiring to commit the offenses. Kesari was sentenced to three months in prison while the other two got probation. They have completed their sentences but are seeking to clear the felony convictions from their records. The three argued that they broke no laws when they paid a video production company, which passed on $73,000 to then-Iowa state Sen. Kent Sorenson, who withdrew his support from Michele Bachmann and backed Paul six days before the 2012 Iowa caucuses. Sorenson also was convicted in the scheme and sentenced to 15 months in prison. He was released in April. Benton, Tate and Kesari contend that campaigns pay vendors who pass money on to subcontractors all the time and there's nothing illegal about it. Prosecutors said it was illegal to cause the campaign to file inaccurate documents to try to hide that Sorensen was paid for a campaign endorsement. A three-member panel of the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis on Friday upheld the rulings and conclusions of Judge John Jarvey, finding no reversible errors and that there is ample evidence to uphold their convictions. The men argued that Jarvey erred in denying their motions to dismiss the charges and for a new trial. They also challenged the judge's rulings on jury instructions and certain evidence. Among the things they challenged was whether prosecutors could apply a federal financial fraud false reporting statute to campaign expenditure reports and whether that violation falls under the jurisdiction of the Federal Election Commission. The appeals court concluded that "the production of false financial records by a political campaign falls within that framework." The judges also concluded that the FEC does have jurisdiction over campaign expenditures and the authority to establish penalties for false reporting. "I think there's a danger this opinion criminalizes some very normal activity on political campaigns," said Kesari's attorney, Jesse Ryan Binnall. "And now people on campaigns have a very real concern that if for whatever reason somebody in the Department of Justice doesn't like them, that they could pursue criminal charges against them." Binnall said Kesari is considering whether to appeal Friday's ruling. "We continue to believe that Mr. Kesari did nothing illegal," he said. Attorneys for Benton and Tate didn't immediately reply to messages seeking comment. Sorenson, 46, was convicted of willfully causing false expenditure reports to the FEC and falsifying records in contemplation of or relation to a federal investigation intending to obstruct justice. DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — A federal appeals court on Friday upheld the convictions of three top staffers on Ron Paul's 2012 presidential campaign who were found guilty of arranging for money to be funneled through a vendor to an influential Iowa state senator who dropped his support for another Republican candidate in favor of Paul.
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#1. To: Gatlin (#0)
And remember -- NO SLEEPING IN BEDS uhh {edit} WIF SHEETS!
Please don't feed the troll.
It is however seemingly odd that a libertarian who allegedly believes so dearly in the Constitution which of course has some amendments, known as the Bill of Rights that includes the right to free speech….wishes to suppress an individual’s Freedom of Speech. It is extremely sad that I must remind you, of all people, that Freedom of speech is an underlying principle that supports the freedom of an individual to articulate his opinions and ideas without intimidation, retaliation, censorship, sanction or interference. You really need to please cease trying to control what people have the freedom to say and respond to….it is SO un-libertarian of you. Don’t you agree?
Jesse Benton, fundraiser for the campaigns of Mitch McConnell & Donald J. Trump. Chinese money laundering specialist. They both stink.
It is however seemingly odd that a libertarian who allegedly believes so dearly in the Constitution which of course has some amendments, known as the Bill of Rights that includes the right to free speech….wishes to suppress an individual’s Freedom of Speech. You are perfectly within your rights to post your trash here - we as readers also have the right to ignore said trash and mock your goofiness. You really need to please cease trying to control what people have the freedom to say and respond to….it is SO un-libertarian of you. No one is trying to control you freedom-hater, stop your incessant whining. Don’t you agree? Yes - we agree that you are a troll.
But you do need to keep up and understand what is under discussion at this time. I am not being ignored or mocked…..there is a blatant effort to suppress the speech of those who wish to freely respond to my posts. I have shown this to be factual and you should understand that since you normally dwell on every word I post. You libertarians are so imbecilic.
It really Is un-libertarian of you to stalk my posts and try to persuade those responding to them to cease making comments. You do have that freedom and I am in no way trying to suppress it. I am merely calling to the attention of everyone another shining example of how the libertarian dogma operates.
But after hundreds of millions in laundered funds, the shitball Clinton Crime Family is still walking around free, right?
Where in the world did you find that idea?
Where in the world did you find that idea? Tater peeling is the single foremost thought always in your mind. You have made that abundantly clear, lamebrain. Check your posts to see that’s true.
Just asking a legitimate question,but since you obviously go to those "we luvs cops" web sites or you wouldn't know,doesn't that,by YOUR definition make YOU a "cop loving troll"?
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Gatlin: It’s God given....and since you do not believe in God, that probably is the reason you have none. You didn't answer the question, tater. You deflected your answer to all kinds of BULLSHIT that only yukon would applaud. I believe in a creator, you dumb fuck. Your answer suggests that because I don't believe in the "personal church of Gatlin" that I am somehow disconnected from the Universe.
Stop wating my valuable time....I have more important things to do than deal with an idiot.
Maybe later ...
Fuck off. I added "Gatlin" to the content filter.
It shows, in your every post.
The guy is obviously self obsessed. He is popularly known as a "narcissist." And his comments don't mean a fucking thing to anyone on the planet but himself.
They mean “nothing” to you libertarians because not one of you can ever dispute the factual information in those articles. All any of you can do is post stupid memes, make smart-assed comments about peeling potatoes and launch a barrage of personal attacks. Open question – If libertarianism is so damned wonderfully great, the why in the Hell can’t any of you DEFEND against attacks made on it?
Boss Gatlin
And miss all the verbal defecation, that's not like you.
Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
If flippant memes meant anything, then maybe they could win a victory for libertarians and they would have been in power long ago. But flippant memes don’t mean shit and any lofty hopes libertarians had in 2016 went out with a whimper, as they garnered less than 4% of th popular vote total and not ONE electoral college vote in one of the most shocking outcomes in recent political history….which saw Donald Trump elected President in stunning repudiation of the establishment. “Boss Gatlin”….NO, it’s “Hail TO The Chief” Donald Trump.
Another lie from lying Gatlin. Ron Paul the libertarian godfather, got ONE electoral vote in 2016, uno, 1, NOT zero! Stop the lies you libtard flake, Gatlin! Speaking of flakes, how many times did you vote for Jeff Flake?
Never once have I …
Paul FINALLY won an electoral vote that meant absolutely nothing. Ron Paul, exposing one Gatlin lie, after the other. It proved once again that you're a liar, that means a lot, and it can't be said too often. Gatlin is a liar!
When Bill Greene cast an electoral vote for Republican Ron Paul in the 2016 presidential election, he probably never guessed that action would prevent him from serving his local Republican party in the years to come. Greene has volunteered and worked with various Republican parties for more than 30 years, but his act of voting for Ron Paul caused him a lot of trouble in Hidalgo County. Now he’s not allowed to serve as a delegate for the state Republican convention in Texas. Some members even told him that he might secretly be “Antifa.” Heavy is speaking with the Hidalgo County GOP and may have a comment to add to this story soon. Here’s what happened. Bill Greene Was Not Allowed To Be a Delegate, Even Though Hidalgo County Didn’t Have Enough Delegates to Fill All Their Seats In late March, Bill Greene attended the Hidalgo County Senate District 27 Convention, where delegates were picked to go to the upcoming State GOP convention. When his name was brought up, he was voted out as both a delegate and an alternate because he had cast his electoral vote for Ron Paul. What makes this even more egregious, he told Heavy, is that Hidalgo County didn’t even have enough delegates to fill half of their 35 seats. You can watch a video of the proceedings above. About three minutes into the video, the discussion about Greene begins, but then is sidetracked until about nine minutes in. Then they discuss allowing Bill Greene’s wife, Kelley, as a delegate, and resume discussion about Bill at 27 minutes. “They tried to vote my wife, Kelley, out too because she’s married to me. In a split vote, she is still a Delegate,” he shared. “This is what my party has come to. Add this to all of our GOP ‘leaders’ votes lately. The future of the GOP is pretty clear. I am sad.” During the meeting, a motion was made to add Bill Greene and his wife to the list of delegates, since they didn’t have enough delegates to fill all their available seats. One person said that the Greenes were not nominated because “based on past performance of the last election cycle, it was brought to our attention that they were a faithless elector, and may not be deserving of going this year.” Kelley Greene spoke up about this, saying that she loved her husband dearly, but it was incorrect to lump her in the same bucket as her husband since she was not even an elector. “So what is your reason for refusing me?” she asked. The district officials admitted that there wasn’t a reason not to include her and she was ultimately added as a delegate after a very close vote. But things went differently when discussing Bill Greene. Greene pointed out that he was very active in the Republican party since college, for 30 to 35 years, which was a requirement for being a delegate. “My vote as an elector was very clear, that I wasn’t voting against a Republican, I wasn’t voting against a person, I was voting for someone, as my oath of office required me to do…” he said during the meeting. “I voted for a Republican for President of the United States. I didn’t vote for Trump, but that’s because the electors are free agents and our sole responsibility is to vote for who we believe is the best candidate for President of the United States… To say that your 30 to 35 years of active service to the Republican party, your attendance at four national conventions… dozens of state conventions… is irrelevant to what we’re doing here, I think you’re setting a very dangerous precedent….” The Convention Chair that day, Denny Church, responded that electors needed to vote for the Republican nominee, Donald Trump. “Bill Greene was out for Bill Greene,” Church said at the meeting. “When it comes to moving forward, we do it as a group. In this case it’s SD 27. Overall, it’s Hidalgo County. Overall, it’s the state of Texas. The state of Texas voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump, he got it, boom, guess what? ‘Well, I’m going to vote for Ron Paul. Look at me….’ This was not anything … to help the party… We’ve got to earn things in life, that’s the rules. Beyond that, let’s just give it away. That itself is socialism. … We’ve had enough of that. Look at Washington, D.C. It’s all look at me… We shouldn’t follow the rules and just do what we want? That’s how we get $1.3 trillion debt.” Greene disagreed with the way Church represented him. He said that in voting for Ron Paul, he wasn’t trying to make a name for himself. He was voting his conscience, voting for a Republican, and following the Constitution. Keeping him out for that, he reiterated, would set a dangerous precedent. Ultimately, the delegates present voted to not allow Greene to be a delegate. Many people commented on Facebook about the decision regarding Bill Greene, angry about their party’s actions. One person wrote: “After all of these years, Republican Party is still shady as hell when it come to creating Delegate Slates…” Greene told Heavy that what happened was not representative of the Republican grassroots in Texas, and the people who chose him at the 2016 convention and who voted for him in the 2016 election. Church, he said, “had a personal political vendetta against me for refusing to bow to the demands of the party ‘elite.'” “I am saddened — though not surprised — that a majority of those few delegates present failed to see that I did absolutely nothing that violated either the rules or the principles of the Republican Party of Texas.” Greene has also been told on more than one occasion that his vote for Ron Paul could indicate that he might be working for Antifa. At around 34:00 into the video shared earlier in this article, one member of the SD 27 meeting stood up and voiced his strong dissent against Bill Greene’s being a delegate. “Who knows if he has a secret agenda (and is) Antifa or any other organization,” he said. “We have to be careful.” Greene said that about a week later, when talking with a local Hidalgo County GOP member on Facebook, he was told the same thing again. “It was right for us to remove you as a delegate to the Republican Party of Texas state convention, because you didn’t vote for the Republican in the Electoral College,” she said in a Facebook conversation, Greene shared. “We need party loyalty. You might secretly be Antifa.” She later said that she believed they needed to bind electors, and blocked him, so he was unable to get screenshots of the conversation for Heavy. This isn’t the first time some Republicans have used allegations of Antifa connections against voices of dissent to try to question motives, and you can sometimes see the same thing with Democrats and allegations of Russia connections during disagreements about establishment policies. Despite what happened, Bill Greene has said that he will still be attending the Republican Texas state convention, as his wife’s guest. But he also told Heavy that he believes that what happened to him points to a larger issue within the GOP, and he regrets voting for the Hidalgo County Chair, who ultimately backed Church’s call to not let Greene be a delegate. This, he told Heavy, is why the County can’t get enough delegates to fill all their seats, but it’s also a symptom of even greater issues facing the GOP in the future. “I’ve been active in the Republican Party longer than most of them there that day (at the SD 27 meeting) have even been voting, having served as a Precinct Chair, on the County Executive Committee, on the District Executive Committee, and on the State Executive Committee; I attended many many many County and State Conventions, and four National Conventions; I ran as a Republican for City Council, State House, and U.S. Congress; and I’ve voted in GOP primaries since I started voting,” Greene told Heavy. “I even voted for a Republican in the Electoral College — just not the ‘Republican’ that Denny Church and his ilk incorrectly insisted I was ‘required’ to vote for… I’m glad there were a few there that day who spoke out against this man’s asinine behavior, but to put it simply: it’s people like (this) who will spell the death of the Republican Party.” Heavy is speaking with the Hidalgo County GOP and may have a comment to add to this story soon.
Ron Paul, exposing one Gatlin lie, after the other. It proved once again that you're a liar, that means a lot, and it can't be said too often. Gatlin is a liar! I didn’t count that ONE electoral vote since Ron Paul was NOT even a registered libertarian and he was NOT a candidate in the 2016 United States presidential election. If I were a libertarian, I would have been terribly embarrassed to mention that one libertarian in Texas cast a protest vote for Ron Paul and after all these MANY years of running for President, Ron Paul FINALLY won an electoral vote that meant absolutely nothing. Thank you, hondo, for giving me the opportunity to show a shining example of what low character libertarians can have. I see the lowly mental and atrocious moral qualities distinctive to libertarians are that of gutter trash.
You're digging yourself in deeper with more lies. Ron Paul is a longtime libertarian AND also still a lifetime member of the Libertarian Party. He ran as the Libertarian Party presidential candidate in '88, against GHW Bush and Dukakis. He did resign from the GOP prior to that run. He has never resigned from the Libertarian Party, as he recently said in an interview. @8:05 You wrote that a small "l" libertarian (the political philosophy) had never gotten an electoral vote. That is incorrect, aka a lie. Both a libertarian and a Libertarian has received at least one electoral college vote. That is Ron Paul, who is both a libertarian AND a lifetime member of the Libertarian Party.
Ron Paul is a lifetime member of the Libertarian Party but he doesn't have to be a member of any party, or register for anything to become president, you pulled that out of your azz, it's not in the Constitution. If he gets the required number of electoral college votes, he is the president. No ifs, ands or buts! He's a Natural Born US citizen of genuine American parents, and he's over 35yo. Why do you hate the US Constitution, the rule of law, and America? If you don't like the Electoral College, try to pass a Constitutional Amendment so that presidential candidates must REGISTER with Boss Gatlin, and be granted his approval. Ain't going to happen Totalitarian Freakazoid!
After all your rambling, it is blatantly obvious that you are NOT paying any ATTENTION to what I said. I will repeat what I said and ask that you please READ my words very CARFULLY so that you fully UNDERSTAND them. I said: Ron Paul lives in Texas and he is registered to vote in Texas. Texas is a State where one CANNOT register as a Libertarian. Consequently, there is absolutely NO way Ron Paul could be REGISTERED as a Libertarian in Texas….absolutely NO way. And so I repeat for about the third or fourth time:
Watch the sidebar tomorrow morning for my latest article exposing libertarians for what they really are.
If you're registered as a Republican, you can still vote for Gary Johnson, or Hillary, Jill Stein or whomever. The Electoral College member that you voted for when you chose Trump, might just vote for Hillary, Bernie Sanders, or Jeb! when they cast their vote. Quit sniveling and accept the fact that you live in a Republic, The United States of America, not a Totalitarian Democracy where it's a Tyranny of the Majority and you Yukonites can screw over Joe Sixpack. Suck it up, you democratic collectivist commie. This is NOT majority rule, the Electoral College system is structured along the lines of a Republican form or government, as guaranteed in the Constitution. "The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion" ~Article IV If we had your majority wins democratic system, Hillary would be president right now, since she won the popular vote. Would you be happy then, in your idiotic collectivist statist utopia?
Nothing you have said in your post here is related to our ongoing conversation. Please get back to me when you can make sense. I stand by my POINT: Ron Paul was NOT a REGISTERED Libertarian in 2016.
Great term for Gatlin and others of his ilk.
Great term for Gatlin and others of his ilk. Sad….that you have no points to make and must look for small things to be amused. This is so typical of ALL you ignorant libertarians.
convicted of willfully causing false expenditure reports
#2. To: VxH (#1)
#3. To: Tooconservative, VxH, Everyone (#2)
Please don't feed the troll.
It has been said that libertarians believe that all people have the right to freely offer goods and services on the market and that free-market approaches are the most effective at improving people’s lives.
#4. To: Gatlin (#0)
#5. To: Gatlin, Tooconservative (#3)
(Edited)
Please don't feed the troll.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.
#6. To: Deckard, Tooconservative, Everyone (#5)
(Edited)
You are perfectly within your rights to post your trash here - we as readers also have the right to ignore said trash and mock your goofiness.
You do have that right and you truly make complete asses of yourselves with the pathetic inability to counter my intelligent and thought provoking posts. The best any of you can do is post stupid memes and engage in personal attacks on me….which are both humorous, when considering the sources. No one is trying to control you freedom-hater, stop your incessant whining.
Oh, but someone is DEFINITELY attempting to stifle the freedom of those responding to my posts. You talk about freedom-hating….now, Bub, that REALLY freedom hating.
#7. To: Tooconservative, Deckard, Everyone (#6)
#8. To: Gatlin (#0)
#9. To: Gatlin (#6)
(Edited)
... my [Gatlin] intelligent and thought provoking posts.
#10. To: Deckard (#5)
... you are a troll.
So sayeth someone who posts, 3, 4, 5 and even more cop-hating articles and with mnultiple comments each day. lol ...
#11. To: buckeroo (#9)
... my [Gatlin] intelligent and thought provoking posts.
It’s God given....and since you do not believe in God, that probably is the reason you have none.
#12. To: Gatlin (#10)
(Edited)
So sayeth someone who posts, 3, 4, 5 and even more cop-hating articles and with mnultiple comments each day. lol ...
#13. To: Gatlin (#11)
buckeroo: Where in the world did you find that idea?
#14. To: buckeroo (#13)
I answered your question....it’s your problem that you are too stupid to understand it.
#15. To: sneakypete (#12)
Just asking a legitimate question ...
I am too busy kicking libertarians’ asses and I don’t have time for you right now.
#16. To: Gatlin (#14)
(Edited)
#17. To: Gatlin, taters are people too, tater lives matter (#11)
Tater peeling is the single foremost thought always
#18. To: buckeroo (#13)
I believe in a creator ....
False prophet....Ron Paul never created ANYTHING.
#19. To: buckeroo (#16)
Fuck off. I added "Gatlin" to the content filter.
So long ...
#20. To: hondo68 (#17)
#21. To: buckeroo in self-imposed exile and all other libertarians (#20)
And his comments don't mean a fucking thing to anyone on the planet but himself.
Yes, the comments I post from others showing the faults with libertarianism mean something to me because the articles I post show the true face of libertarianism and I continue to learn what an insignificant philosophy it really is.
#22. To: Gatlin, Bozoed the World (#21)
#23. To: buckeroo (#16)
Fuck off. I added "Gatlin" to the content filter.
#24. To: hondo68, Everyone (#22)
#25. To: Gatlin, lying tater, libertarian Ron Paul ONE electoral vote 2016 (#24)
(Edited)
hopes libertarians had in 2016 went out with a whimper, as they garnered less than 4% of th popular vote total and not ONE electoral college vote in one of the most shocking outcomes in recent political history….
Why Bill Greene Voted for Ron Paul in the Electoral College
#26. To: hondo68 (#25)
I didn’t count that ONE vote since Ron Paul was NOT even registered libertarian and he was NOT a candidate in the 2016 United States presidential election. If I were a libertarian, I would have been terribly embarrassed to mention that one libertarian asshole in Texas cast a protest vote for Ron Paul and after all these MANY years of running for President, Ron Paul FINALLY won an electoral vote that meant absolutely nothing.
#27. To: hondo68 (#25)
… how many times did you vote for Jeff Flake?
#28. To: Gatlin, lying tater (#26)
#29. To: hondo68 (#28)
(Edited)
Gatlin is a liar!
I didn’t count that ONE electoral vote since Ron Paul was NOT even registered libertarian and he was NOT a candidate in the 2016 United States presidential election. If I were a libertarian, I would have been terribly embarrassed to mention that one libertarian asshole in Texas cast a protest vote for Ron Paul and after all these MANY years of running for President, Ron Paul FINALLY won an electoral vote that meant absolutely nothing. Ron Paul’s Elector Barred From Being Republican Delegate, Accused of Being ‘Antifa’
#30. To: hondo68, Everyone (#28)
(Edited)
Paul FINALLY won an electoral vote that meant absolutely nothing.
A libertarian made a pledge to cast an electoral vote to the winner of the Texas statewide popular vote. Donald Trump won the statewide popular vote in Texas, yet the libertarian went rogue and cast a protest vote for Ron Paul….proving once again that libertarians have NO scruples about HONORING a pledge.
#31. To: Gatlin, Ron Paul libertarian, and Libertarian Party lifetime member (#29)
I didn’t count that ONE electoral vote since Ron Paul was NOT even registered libertarian and he was NOT a candidate in the 2016 United States presidential election.
#32. To: Gatlin, Registered as a dissident, and freedom lover, with Boss Gatlin (#30)
I didn’t count that ONE electoral vote since Ron Paul was NOT even a registered libertarian and he was NOT a candidate in the 2016 United States presidential election.
#33. To: hondo68, Everyone (#31)
Ron Paul is a longtime libertarian …
I know that and I admit that is true. … AND also still a lifetime member of the Libertarian Party.
I don’t know that but I will concede that to be true. He ran as the Libertarian Party presidential candidate in '88, against GHW Bush and Dukakis. He did resign from the GOP prior to that run. He has never resigned from the Libertarian Party, as he recently said in an interview.
I know all of this and I admit all of this is true. Ron Paul was NOT even a registered Libertarian and he was NOT a candidate in the 2016 United States presidential election.
The best way I can prove to you that Ron Paul was NOT a Registered Libertarian is with the following link: In some states, voters cannot register by political party. In other states, they can.
If you live in one of these states, you can register as a Libertarian: Alaska / Arizona / California / Colorado / Connecticut / Delaware / District of Columbia / Florida / Idaho / Iowa / Kansas / Kentucky / Louisiana / Maine / Maryland / Massachusetts / Nebraska / Nevada / New Hampshire / New Jersey / New Mexico/| New York / North Carolina / Oklahoma / Oregon / Pennsylvania / Rhode Island / South Dakota / Utah / West Virginia / Wyoming.
I live in Arizona. I can either REGISTER as a Libertarian or I can REGISTER as a Republican. [There are other choices of course, but we are discussing only these two]. It is impossible for me to REGISTER as both a Libertarian and as a Republican. Ron Paul was NOT a REGISTERED Libertarian in 2016.
I therefore stand FIRMLY behind my original statement….which I repeated a number of times. If you can document with links where I am wrong and show that Ron Paul was a REGISTERED Libertarian in 2016, I will offer to you my sincerely apology for my misstatement. Please TRY to prove me wrong by providing links to your source(s).
#34. To: hondo68 (#33)
In summary, I will close my part of this discussion by repeating that I did NOT count the ONE electoral vote that some rogue libertarian violated his PLEDGE and cast a protest vote for Ron Paul. It was, like all libertarian endeavors, an insignificant action and it counted for nothing…a wasted vote.
#35. To: Gatlin, wants collectivist democracy, Hillary as President, instead of a republic (#33)
#36. To: hondo68 (#35)
(Edited)
If you're registered as a Republican, you can still vote for Gary Johnson, or Hillary, Jill Stein or whomever.
Duh. Of course you can. This however has absolutely nothing to do with our conversation. I have no idea why you bring it up. You obviously are at a total loss to proceed since you have started to ramble. The Electoral College member that you voted for when you chose Trump, might just vote for Hillary, Bernie Sanders, or Jeb! when they cast their vote.
This is true but has nothing to do with our conversation. You are still just rambling. Quit sniveling and accept the fact that you live in a Republic,
This ad hominem attack directed personally against me rather than the position I maintain has nothing to do with our conversation. You are STILL rambling. The United States of America, not a Totalitarian Democracy where it's a Tyranny of the Majority and you Yukonites can screw over Joe Sixpack.
This just MORE ad hominem attack. You people can never carry on an intelligent exchange without PERSONAL attacks. Sad. Suck it up, you democratic collectivist commie.
Ho Hum. Is making ad hominem attacks ALL that you people can do? Thus far, you are PROVING that it is. This is NOT majority rule, the Electoral College system is structured along the lines of a Republican form or government, as guaranteed in the Constitution. "The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion" ~Article IV
Duh...this is true but it again has nothing to do with the point of our conversation. it is just MORE rambling. If we had your majority wins democratic system, Hillary would be president right now, since she won the popular vote.
More RAMBLINGS that have absolutely NOTHING to do with our conversation. Would you be happy then, in your idiotic collectivist statist utopia?
Another ad hominem attack. How many is that now in this exchange? Four, five or more?
#37. To: hondo68 (#35)
Yukonites
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Trump: My People Should ‘Sit Up in Attention’ Like Kim Jong-un’s Staff.
#38. To: Deckard (#37)
Yukonites
But has absolutely NOTHING to do with the discussion at hand.
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